The New Trail Of Tears

Here is an undisputed fact;  our government treats wounded veterans like shit! That’s why you see gobs of private companies on TV begging for money … showing legless veterans or those with mutilated burned faces, as they try to do what government won’t do.  Think of what $54 billion would do for wounded Americans … instead of making UkieNazifuks rich. If I were a billionaire I would put up an Anti Recruiting Office next to every official military recruiting center …. call it the “Fuck No I Won’t Go Corporation“. 

You got kids?  Do whatever you can to discourage them from signing up!!  In today’s Amerika, that’s the Patriotic thing to do.

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A Trail of Tears: How Veterans Return From America’s Wars

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America’s Father’s Day was first celebrated on June 19, 1910, in Washington State. That was only a few years before Ann Jones’s father went to war.  His was the Great War which turned out — with its trenches of frozen mud, rats and lice, poison gas, and machine-gun death — to be not so great.  It was supposed to be the War to End all Wars, but all it did was bequeath to humanity a more terrible war that would be even more worldly.

Jones’s father returned from the trenches with a passel of medals, a lifelong disability, and a book of horrors that she was never allowed to see as a child. I don’t know if he was part of the reason that she felt compelled to report on such horrors herself, but I’m glad she did. The result is some of the finest journalism about this country’s ongoing, never-ending era of Forever Wars.

In 2013, Dispatch Books published Jones’s modern masterpiece, They Were Soldiers: How the Wounded Return From America’s Wars — The Untold Story and TomDispatch published the excerpt that we offer again today, almost a decade later, for your Father’s Day reading.

I’m still in awe of her reporting for that book. At 73, she strapped on body armor and headed to war in Afghanistan, so you didn’t have to. She watched the sort of meatball surgery that would have left you doubled over and retching. She asked the hard questions of soldiers, veterans, and their family members that you never could. And she wrote it all up with passion, eloquence, and unsparing clarity. They Were Soldiers offers a still-unprecedented look at the carnage Americans never saw and the toll no one talked about.

The scenes Jones narrated couldn’t have been more vivid or jarring, but the dialogue was on another level. She has a way with people. She found America’s soldiers where they were, put in the time, and they opened up, offering quotes that blossomed like wildflowers in the spring, even if it was a spring in hell.

In the piece that follows, a longtime Army officer, heading home for “psych reasons,” reveals the “con” to which he devoted his life. “War is absurd,” he says. “Boys don’t know any better. But for a grown man to be trapped in stupid wars — it’s embarrassing, it’s humiliating, it’s absurd.” His sons, he said, were in college and would not follow their father’s path to war. “They won’t have to serve,” he told Jones. “Before that happens, I’ll shoot them myself.” Happy Father’s Day. Nick Turse

A Trail of Tears: How Veterans Return From America’s Wars

[The text of this piece is an excerpt, slightly adapted, from Ann Jones’s book They Were Soldiers: How the Wounded Return from America’s Wars — The Untold Story, published by Dispatch Books/Haymarket Books]

In 2010, I began to follow U.S. soldiers down a long trail of waste and sorrow that led from the battle spaces of Afghanistan to the emergency room of the trauma hospital at Bagram Air Base, where their catastrophic wounds were surgically treated and their condition stabilized.  Then I accompanied some of them by cargo plane to Ramstein Air Base in Germany for more surgeries at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, or LRMC (pronounced Larm-See), the largest American hospital outside the United States.

Once stabilized again, those critical patients who survived would be taken by ambulance a short distance back to Ramstein, where a C-17 waited to fly them across the Atlantic to Dover Air Base in Delaware. There, tall, multilayered ambulances awaited the wounded for the last leg of their many-thousand-mile journey to Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington D.C. or the Naval Hospital at Bethesda, Maryland, where, depending upon their injuries, they might remain for a year or two, or more.

Now, we are in Germany, halfway home.  This evening, the ambulance from LRMC heading for the flight line at Ramstein will be full of critical-care patients, so I leave the hospital early and board the plane to watch the medical teams bring them aboard.  They’ve done this drill many times a week since the start of the Afghan War.  They are practiced, efficient, and fast, and so we are soon in the air again. This time, with a full load.

Two rows of double bunks flank an aisle down the center of the C-17, all occupied by men tucked under homemade patchwork quilts emblazoned with flags and eagles, the handiwork of patriotic American women. Along the walls of the fuselage, on straight-backed seats of nylon mesh, sit the ambulatory casualities from the Contingency Aeromedical Staging Facility (CASF), the holding ward for noncritical patients just off the flight line at Ramstein.

At the back of the plane, slung between stanchions, are four litters with critical care patients, and there among them is the same three-man CCAT (Critical Care Air Transport) team I accompanied on the flight from Afghanistan. They’ve been back and forth to Bagram again since then, but here they are in fresh brown insulated coveralls, clean shaven, calm, cordial, the doctor busy making notes on a clipboard, the nurse and the respiratory therapist checking the monitors and machines on the SMEEDs. (A SMEED, or Special Medical Emergency Evacuation Device, is a raised aluminum table affixed to a patient’s gurney.) Designed to bridge the patient’s lower legs, a SMEED is now often used in the evacuation of soldiers who don’t have any.

Here again is Marine Sergeant Wilkins, just as he was on the flight from Afghanistan: unconscious, sedated, intubated, and encased in a vacuum spine board. The doctor tells me that the staff at LRMC removed Wilkins’s breathing tube, but they had to put it back. He remains in cold storage, like some pod-person in a sci-fi film. You can hardly see him in there, inside the black plastic pod. You can’t determine if he is alive or dead without looking at the little needles on the dials of the machines on the SMEED. Are they wavering? Hard to tell.

Flight Risk

The CCAT team has three other critical patients to think about. They are covered with white sheets and blankets, but it’s easy to see that the second patient is missing both legs. His right hand is swathed in thick bandages, almost as fat as a football. His face is ripped and torn so that his features appear to be not quite where they belong, but pushed up and to one side — his nose split and turned askew. He’s sedated and on a ventilator meant to assist his breathing, but his chest convulses as he struggles with the job.

The respiratory therapist hovers, checking monitors, adjusting a breathing tube, and the man quiets. But not for long. The IED blast that took off both his legs above the knee bypassed his pelvis to slam into his chest. He must have been doubled over, crouching, when he walked onto the bomb. The impact damaged his lungs in ways not yet fully understood, so that now when he breathes on his own, every breath costs him more than he has to give.

The CCAT team confers. To stop the convulsive effort to breathe, the doctor can paralyze him and let the ventilator do the work of respiration, but that means removing from his intestine the feeding tube pumping in the calories he needs to heal these catastrophic wounds. It’s a fine line, and the team walks it for the next hour until it’s clear the man needs rest more than nourishment. Then the doctor administers a drug, the body grows still as stone, and the soldier inside sleeps softly while the ventilator steadily breathes in and breathes out.

Patient number three is breathing on his own and fast asleep, a saline drip feeding into his arm. He looks okay, but for the flattening of the blanket under the SMEED. He’s lost both legs, but both below the knee. He has his hands. He has his junk. Of these four patients, he’s the one the military and the media will call “lucky.” But the doctor doesn’t call him that. He says, “You can’t assess his injuries in comparison to those of other soldiers who happen to be on the same plane. You have to assess them in comparison to who he was before.” He is a boy who used to have legs and now he doesn’t.

The fourth CCAT patient is a darkly handsome kid who lost both legs to an IED. His right arm ends in a bulbous bandage, but something about its shape suggests the hand might still be all there. He’s conscious and breathing on his own, vaguely gazing at a thin woman in blond boots and a light jacket who stands next to his litter and clutches at the rail as if to hold herself upright.

She was called to LRMC because her son was close to death, but she is now taking him home, what’s left of him, alive. In the dim light, she looks dazed, but she leans over him and speaks into his ear and soon he sleeps. The doctor tells me that the boy, a Marine, lost one leg below the knee, and the other very high up — too high for him to wear a prosthetic leg.

“He’ll be in a wheel chair,” the doctor says. “It’s doubtful he’ll ever walk. His right arm is all there, but the hand is blasted. He’ll probably lose his fingers at least, but he may have enough of a hand left to power a wheel chair on his own. It’s hard to say. He lost one testicle, too, and part of the penis and urethra. But he could still be fertile. There’s a chance.”

The cavernous plane is very cold. There’s a blanket on each of the seats along the wall. I wrap myself up and sit down next to my military minder Sergeant Julian, mainly to stay out of the way of the CASF nurses who are busy checking on their patients, getting those on the bunks well settled for the long flight. The mother of the handsome kid has also sunk into a seat next to her son’s litter, but she leans forward, still clutching the bedrail as if to hang on to her boy. She has thrown a blanket around her like a cape, but even at a distance I can see that she’s cold. I pick up a spare blanket and take it to her. She looks up as I hold it out to her wordlessly in the deafening plane. “I’m fine,” she says, loudly enough for me to hear.

“Your son?”

“He’s fine.” She looks at him and changes tense. “He’s going to be fine.”

“That’s good,” I say.

“He’s alive. He almost wasn’t, but he’s alive. He’s fine.”

I offer the blanket again. “Take it. Keep warm.”

Later I notice that she has made a cocoon of the blankets and slumped over the adjacent seat to sleep. Only toward the end of the flight, when she must be feeling some relief that her son is going to survive it, does she begin to tell me about him. She got word of his injury when he was still in the field hospital in Helmand Province, and she arrived at LRMC from southern California the same day he was brought in from Bagram. Three days later, miraculously, she is bringing him home. Well, not home really, but to the States anyway, to the Naval hospital at Bethesda, Maryland.

Her son has an older brother who deployed once to Iraq and once to Afghanistan and now is safe at home in California. But this boy, a Marine, had a training accident that left him with a head injury requiring brain surgery. He was medically discharged, but reenlisted and was deployed to Afghanistan. He had been there two months when his unit was assigned to clean up an area another unit had officially cleared of Taliban. You remember the policy: clear, hold, and build. They were doing the hold part when he stepped on the IED. The other Marine, the one who can’t breathe, was hit by the same blast, or maybe another one at the same time. “They told me how it happened,” she says, “but I don’t think I heard.”

Months later, I will call her in California to see how her son is getting along. He’s still in the hospital. They’re still working on his wounds. He’s not doing any rehab yet. But the military moved him to San Diego so she and her husband can visit him often. She says he’s doing “fine,” though it will still be many months before he can come home.

In the meantime, her contractor husband has enlisted his friends to help widen doorways, lower light switches, build ramps, and reconstruct a bathroom on the ground floor for a boy in a wheelchair. It’s a weekend and I can hear them hammering as we talk on the phone. “They say he’ll always be in a wheelchair,” she says, her voice shaking. “I was in our pool this morning, and I realized that he’ll never be able to get into it by himself. He loves the pool.” I stay on the line, listening to her cry. She says, “He’s a beautiful swimmer.”

“Everything Still Hurts…”

On the plane I talk to some of the ambulatory patients sitting along the walls, wrapped in blankets like so many Pashtuns. Most are hurt just enough to have to be out of action for a while. One boy got a boot caught in the door of an armored vehicle, an MRAP, that wasn’t moving at the time. It’s a long way down from the passenger seat. He broke his arm. He blurts this out, then tells me he worries about what he’s going to say back at his home base. “I can’t tell them I just fell out.”

Another kid dropped a barbell in the gym and broke some bones in his foot. Two others hadn’t recovered from chronic back pain and muscle spasms induced by carrying too much weight. Doctors sent them back downrange to their units two or three times and each time they broke down again. The painkillers had only left them dazed. One says, “Everything still hurts, and you can’t remember what you’re doing, so it makes you nervous. So now they’re sending me home because I guess maybe the pain doesn’t make you so nervous in the U.S. of A.”

One young man collapsed while jogging at a base in the Persian Gulf. “I need a new valve in my heart,” he says, “so they’re sending me home to get it done there. I’m really lucky they found it. The Army saved my life.” His wife sits beside him, wearing a brand new Frankfurt sweatshirt and a bracelet dripping with gnomes. While the doctors at LRMC assessed her husband’s cardiac function, she went shopping. She tells me confidentially, “I for sure didn’t want to sit around any old hospital.”

An older Army officer calls me over and gestures toward the empty seat by his side. He sits ramrod straight, wrapped in his blanket, and speaks through tight lips as if he fears what might come out of his mouth. “I’ve been in the Army twenty-six years,” he says, “and I can tell you it’s a con.”

He has been an adviser to the chief counterterrorism officer in Iraq. It’s hard even to imagine what’s involved in work like that, but his version of his job description evidently failed to match the official checklist of his boss. He doesn’t think much of military bosses or politicians or Americans in general who send the lowliest 1% to fight wars that make the other 1%, on the high end, “monu-fuckin’-mentally rich.”

He says he’s going home for “psych reasons” caused by “life,” and he is never going to deploy again. He has two sons, 21 and 23, in college, “They won’t have to serve,” he says. “Before that happens, I’ll shoot them myself.”

I ask if he has any particular reason to dislike the military so intensely. “War is absurd,” he says. “Boys don’t know any better. But for a grown man to be trapped in stupid wars — it’s embarrassing, it’s humiliating, it’s absurd.”

SOURCE:  By Ann Jones on TomDispatch

THE END

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Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
June 29, 2022 8:20 am

When the first Gulf war was brewing I called all my eligible nephews and told them I will take them to Canada or anywhere else we had to go to avoid being dragged into that mess.

Thanks for posting that Stucky.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  Fleabaggs
June 29, 2022 10:59 am

What would you say to someone if you warned them and told them every reason not to go into the armed services and then they chose to go anyway? What if they came back disfigured, what would you tell them?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Glock-N-Load
June 29, 2022 11:08 am

Why would I beat them while they’re down. What would you tell them?

GNL
GNL
  Fleabaggs
June 29, 2022 11:58 am

What would you tell an unwed mother? A crackhead begging on the street? I’m asking if it’s hypocritical to judge bad decisions differently. It’s just a question.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  GNL
June 29, 2022 1:39 pm

Ask somebody else if it’s just a question.
I try to take every vet and junky individually have been both and I’ve been a confused latchkey teenager victimised by “Company” propaganda. And I don’t answer loaded questions.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Fleabaggs
June 29, 2022 1:58 pm

I’ve said pretty often here that after Nam there were no more reasons to join the US military, only excuses. But if they still go and get messed up I don’t flog them like my fellow boomers flogged us. The horse has left the barn.

CCRider
CCRider
June 29, 2022 8:31 am

Right. When the government is done risking your life and limb on some bullshit war they cast you aside like a dirty rag. Remember that when they put on some gauche display of killing machines before a ballgame. This country will be redeemed when the crowd boos instead of hooting and hollering like chimpanzees.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  CCRider
June 29, 2022 5:11 pm

Same as it ever was.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  Llpoh
June 29, 2022 5:29 pm

If you don’t know that going in, you ain’t smart.

TPTB have perfected every type of manipulation for anything they want to make happen.

Boogieman
Boogieman
June 29, 2022 8:45 am

Military recruitment in the US is down across the board, enrollment is at crisis level. They are talking right now about lowering the standards for recruitment. The pentagon is planning on recruiting illegal’s to fill the deficits. Our military is used to fight political wars. When the politics no longer resonate with the fighting age populous, voluntary recruitment will decline. Our young should prepare for a potential draft.

It’s a disgrace to treat our men and women who served like third class citizens. I will never encourage my son’s to fight for this three ring circus clown show. But then they already know that.

Know what your getting into before you sign the dotted line.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/28/biden-pentagon-facing-historic-military-recruitment-shortfalls-perfect-storm-of-events/

This who our children will be fighting to protect. Not to mention those who will be commanding them.

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Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Boogieman
June 29, 2022 10:57 am

Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Was that photograph of the “horrid admiral” necessary?

Boogieman
Boogieman
  Aunt Acid
June 29, 2022 4:53 pm

Sorry, just attempting to drive the point home. Nothing can say “Fcked up” like this picture can.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 29, 2022 9:04 am

I always say the only thing our medical establishment is good for is physical trauma care.

But in certain cases keeping someone alive when their wounds are too severe for them to have lived at any other time in history seems more cruel than letting them pass. Especially given the type of ‘care’ they might be subjected to the rest of their lives.

Ever been to the VA hospital in DC? Most depressing place on earth.

Steve Z.
Steve Z.
June 29, 2022 9:06 am

I worked at Bethesda Hospital for 2 years (2010-2012). The number of double and triple amputees was not insignificant. There were 3 guys who lost everything from the pelvis down. Literally, cut in half. They were in the prone position on motorized gurneys and navigated on the gurney via a joystick.
There was a popular black humor T-shirt that read “I had a blast in Afghanistan”.
What wasn’t discussed in the article was the mental injuries that were every bit as traumatic as the physical injuries, though unseen to the eye.
Of course many had a double dose of both physical and mental injuries.
One patient of mine that I vividly remember was an Army Captain who told me how he had his .45 caliber in his mouth and couldn’t pull the trigger only because he feared what his kids would think of him. My neighbor was a Navy Lieutenant who lost his right eye and 90% of vision in his left eye at the age of 23.
The individual stories were gruesome and most will never be repaired whether physical or mental.
Take your bag of pills and get on with what’s left of your destroyed life, was the sentence most receive.
Knowing it was all for nothing is a very bitter pill.

flash
flash
June 29, 2022 9:27 am

My father -in-law who as a 19 year old member if a US Air Corps bombing squadron saw Germany though the lens of a bomb scope and watched in horror as many of his fellow buddies met their fiery ends.. He said the flak was often so thick it appeared as if you could walk on it. He was also the first person I ever head of the fire bombing of Dresden from. Later in the last couple of years of his life, he was audited by the IRS and had to sell a quarter of his farm just to cover their lien.
I remember one day during the long expensive theft process, him making the statement that he couldn’t believe the US government was doing this to him . I asked why it was so unbelievable and he replied ” because I fought in the war” The greatest were really the most naive and they did America no favors.

KJ
KJ
  Stucky
June 29, 2022 10:46 am

Germans: their words are as over-complicated as their engineering.

Harrington Richardson: Gimme Sachwerte!
Harrington Richardson: Gimme Sachwerte!
  KJ
June 29, 2022 12:33 pm

Since we are talking about cannons and overcomplicated, the US 105 howitzer breech block had nine or ten parts. The same on a German 88 had over a hundred parts. Compare the relatively simple Browning designed 1911 or simpler 9mm Hi Power to a PO-8 Luger. The machining of the Luger would likely make it a $2,000 per unit proposition today.

flash
flash
  Stucky
June 29, 2022 11:12 am

My father law was of German ancestry . Mass murdering his kin folk in towering infernos of flame really fucked him up.

subwo
subwo
  flash
June 30, 2022 12:23 am

My dad’s cousin was 10 at war’s end. The Russian troops kept her (and her family) alive by her begging. Older German women and girls paid a higher price for food from all the allies. That generation of Germans were so guilted that she and her husband in the 50’s went to Israel to work on a kibbutz to atone for their collective sin. Yet more Germans died after the war than the fabled 6 million.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  subwo
June 30, 2022 12:36 am

I am calling bullshit that more than 6 million Germans died after the war as a result of being refugees, etc. It is total horseshit. Estimates range from 1/2 a million to 2 million. No one save for subwo is says 6 million plus.

Peddle that manure elsewhere.

subwo
subwo
  Llpoh
June 30, 2022 12:54 am

The International Red Cross at war’s end published the deaths of all the concentration camps and it was 1.8 million. Mostly from Typhoid. The 6 million figure was from the kabbalists and their belief that 6 million must perish in the flames for there to be a state of Israel. That was published since the 19th century. Arch/YO published all that data years ago. Look it up. That is why I wrote fabled. I did not say 6 mil Germans died. 1 million German troops were killed in the Rhineland Fields after VE day. Another 3+ million Germans perished on their forced removal from their ancestral homelands to Germany by the allies. Let your fingers walk across the keyboard and search the internet. It is all there.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  subwo
June 30, 2022 1:07 am

Your German numbers are horseshit. You said more Germans died than the fabled 6 million. That is exactly what you said. So please don’t lie and say you didn’t say it. The numbers are between .5 and 2.2 million based on which source you use.

The Red Cross said no such thing re the Jews. The Red Cross said the German Records said such and such number, and the Red Cross have published a confirmation that they never said any such thing. That is a fact. But of course it doesn’t fit your narrative so I doubt you will do the five minutes of work to confirm that fact.

You are posting outright lies and numbers that are false. You should educate yourself.

flash
flash
June 29, 2022 9:47 am

Servants of Satan never apologize for carrying out their orders .

scott henson
scott henson
  flash
June 29, 2022 10:06 am

That fucker will ultimately answer to God.

KJ
KJ
  scott henson
June 29, 2022 10:56 am

You know, Scott – continuing to say “they will answer to God” really only perpetuates the injustice, because they need to be held accountable here on the Earth Plane.

Passing it off to God may make you feel good, like “justice” will ultimately be served (and you may be correct, on a metaphysical level), but it’s ultimately a sign of resignation and an admission that you’ve given up. And they get off scot free and the cycle repeats.

People who don’t believe in God or a higher power (or who believe THEY are God or the higher power) are incapable of regulating their own behavior according to a higher moral code. They will regulate their behavior according to what they can get away with, and only understand punishment on the Earth Plane, delivered by force.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  KJ
June 29, 2022 2:16 pm

People who don’t believe in God or a higher power……….are incapable of regulating their own behavior according to a higher moral code.

Bullshit. The arrogance and illusory superiority of your statement is entirely offensive to me. Bush was shit, but lumping everyone who does not believe in mystical invisible men in the sky or such as morally inferior?

Fuck you.

KJ
KJ
  Anonymous
June 29, 2022 2:49 pm

No, YOU go fuck yourself, you cowardly piece of “Anonymous” shit, you little cunty twat motherfucker.

KJ
KJ
  Stucky
June 29, 2022 3:46 pm

Stucky, I didn’t get triggered by this little bastard “not believing in God.” I don’t give a flying fuck what this “Anonymous” piece of shit believes.

But don’t come here out of nowhere and tell me to go fuck myself and not expect a reply in-kind. And trust me, this cowardly prick wouldn’t dare say it in person…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  KJ
June 29, 2022 3:59 pm

^^^^^ yup. Not triggered at all.

Stucky, I didn’t get triggered by this little bastard “not believing in God.” I don’t give a flying fuck what this “Anonymous” piece of shit believes.

Yet clearly you do “give a flying fuck” as evidenced by your repeated, ever so holy, outbursts.

Your lack of self awareness is hilarious. Please, continue.

KJ
KJ
  Anonymous
June 29, 2022 4:13 pm

No, YOUR lack of self-awareness is hilarious, you retard.

Why don’t go re-read what I posted, idiot. I was actually chastising Scott for “putting it in God’s hands,” saying that certain things should be dealt with on the earth plane, especially with people who are Godless and/or whose moral compass is guided only by what they can get away with.

Your big problem isn’t Godlessness, it’s reading comprehension and stupidity.

Go fuck yourself, cowardly “Anonymous” asshole.

subwo
subwo
  Stucky
June 30, 2022 12:26 am

Stuck, every day is talk like a sailor day.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  KJ
June 29, 2022 3:21 pm

How very moral and holy of you.

Did you run that by God to make sure it was acceptable?

And, what Stuck said.

And again, Fuck you and your sanctimonious bullshit.

KJ
KJ
  Anonymous
June 29, 2022 3:43 pm

No, FUCK YOU, you ‘sanctimonious’ and cowardly “Anonymous” piece of dogshit.

Kiss my ass, motherfucker.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  KJ
June 29, 2022 3:55 pm

No, FUCK YOU, you ‘sanctimonious’ and cowardly “Anonymous” piece of dogshit.

Guessing from context, you have no idea what ‘sanctimonious’ means.

Wow. Another “Anonymous” hater, too stupid to recognize that “KJ” is exactly two letters less anonymous. How brave!

Careful, you might stroke out at this rate. Hear there is a lot of that going around.

KJ
KJ
  Anonymous
June 29, 2022 4:09 pm

Hey stupid bastard: EVERY time I post here, I do it under my unique handle ‘KJ’. Everyone else, including your sanctimonious, cowardly ass, knows who’s posting and who’s responding to their post, even if they don’t know who I am in real life or what my name is.

You, on the other hand, don’t even have the courtesy to come up with a single-letter handle, let alone two letters. You’re a lazy coward, hiding behind “Anonymous,” who comes out of nowhere to tell me “Fuck you” after misreading my fucking post because you’re too dumb to understand what I was talking about.

So, like I told you before:

GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  KJ
June 29, 2022 4:21 pm

Everyone else, including your sanctimonious

I am still sure you have no idea what ‘sanctimonious’ means. I suggest you look it up before you make yourself look more foolish.

who comes out of nowhere to tell me “Fuck you” after misreading my fucking post because you’re too dumb to understand what I was talking about.

Misreading? Do explain. How EXACTLY did I misread this?

People who don’t believe in God or a higher power (or who believe THEY are God or the higher power) are incapable of regulating their own behavior according to a higher moral code. They will regulate their behavior according to what they can get away with, and only understand punishment on the Earth Plane, delivered by force.

You claimed the unbelievers “are incapable of regulating their own behavior according to a higher moral code. ”

Sanctimonious and arrogantly superior.

“They will regulate their behavior according to what they can get away with, and only understand punishment on the Earth Plane, delivered by force.”

A giant broad brushstroke. I regulate my behavior quite fine, nothing to do with fear of punishment. You on the other hand….. well, just read above.

Carry on with your oh so holy diatribes.

KJ
KJ
  Anonymous
June 29, 2022 4:26 pm

I know perfectly well what “sanctimonious” means, “Anonymous” fucknut. And YOU are displaying it much more than I have.

Get an IQ test, jerkoff. You’re out of your league with me.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  KJ
June 29, 2022 4:36 pm

I know perfectly well what “sanctimonious” means

Except your first use of it made it clear, you don’t.

Get an IQ test, jerkoff. You’re out of your league with me.

Right back to my first comment.

The arrogance and illusory superiority of your statement……

Thank you for being so consistent.

KJ
KJ
  Anonymous
June 29, 2022 4:45 pm

Except my superiority to you isn’t illusory, it’s reality.

Thank you for making me look so good, Professor Imbecilo.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  KJ
June 29, 2022 4:50 pm

Except my superiority to you isn’t illusory, it’s reality.

Well done. I knew you could come up with an example of sanctimonious.

The real question is if you recognized it. Probably not.

KJ
KJ
  Anonymous
June 29, 2022 4:53 pm

So in your world, telling the truth is “sanctimoniousness?” LMAO!!!

You must be a Democrat. I should’ve known.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  KJ
June 29, 2022 5:03 pm

You really are the poster boy for “the stupid don’t know they are stupid”.

Carry on.

KJ
KJ
  Anonymous
June 29, 2022 5:19 pm

Stop projecting your own stupidity and lack of awareness of it onto me, “Anonymous” moron.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  KJ
June 29, 2022 5:26 pm

Oh, the “I know you are but what am I” comeback. How clever……

Did you look up ‘sanctimonious’ yet? You really should. You have displayed that you really don’t know the meaning a couple of times here. Go read the definition, slowly. Have someone smarter than you help explain if required. Oh, right, that is a problem. Nobody is smarter than you, right? (read the definition to get it)

Your style of ‘argument’ is of the grade school level. Your comprehension and linguistic skills appear about the same.

But do keep them coming. Nothing funnier than watching the stupid on display. You seem highly qualified to entertain.

KJ
KJ
  Anonymous
June 29, 2022 5:45 pm

YAWN. You’re being repetitive, saying the same shit over and over. Where’s the snoring emoji? Zzzzzzzzzzz….

Anonymous
Anonymous
  KJ
June 29, 2022 5:50 pm

Hey, whatever you want to sell yourself to feel superior and avoid addressing your arrogance and obvious lack of comprehension.

The one who lies to himself hurts nobody but himself. I pity you.

Bravely run away, secure in the knowledge that you showed me (and everyone else) exactly how moral you are.

KJ
KJ
  Anonymous
June 29, 2022 6:28 pm

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…………….

Anonymous
Anonymous
  KJ
June 29, 2022 6:34 pm

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…………….

I see you deeply searched your soul for the most intelligent response you could muster. Much appreciated. Did the extreme effort hurt much? Do you find it witty?

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Anonymous
June 30, 2022 12:47 am

KJ – oh yeah?
Anon- yeah!
KJ – oh yeah?
Anon- yeah!
KJ – oh yeah?
Anon- yeah!

Sheesh. That was a pitiful exchange.

KJ – fighting with an anonymous poster is generally not a worthwhile endeavor. Just my considered opinion. And how you gonna know who to hate next time? Nope. Not worth your time.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Llpoh
June 30, 2022 12:29 pm

And how you gonna know who to hate next time?

Easy.

Anyone who points out that KJ does not understand a word KJ uses. Apparently.

Sensop
Sensop
June 29, 2022 9:57 am

You’ve outdone yerbadself with this one, Stuck.

Heartfelt Thanks from this very lucky unwounded vet. I was an enlisted crew member on C-130s in the first Gulf War. I didn’t think my sphincter muscle group would ever relax again, but it did and I came home with nothing more than a temporary sinus problem from the oil field fires. Others were not so lucky.

My respects for your tribute to these men and women.

Lost brothers: https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-trending/last-ac-130-lost-combat/

samthere403
samthere403
June 29, 2022 10:35 am

After my divorce the ex got the kids (of course). The courts are set up by the lawyers and judges for the lawyers and judges, but I digress. Some years ago my son called me up and tells me he joined the marines. I told him to get out of it. He said his mother and new husband were proud of him. I asked him if he really wanted to go fight for the oil companies. To make a long story short I had him write a “letter of separation” and we took it to the marine recruiter. The recruiter acted angry about it at first but understood and turned out to be a great guy.

GNL
GNL
  samthere403
June 29, 2022 1:26 pm

Now THAT’S a good story.

Iggy
Iggy
June 29, 2022 11:12 am

My uncle lost his mind fighting in the Pacific endless battles and carnage .When he came back no one gave a fuck .My father Korea my cousins Vietnam .I would never join to fight for the Jews faggots and scumbags in this country.

flash
flash
June 29, 2022 11:18 am

The tear factor is about to increase exponentially. WWIII is on.

Europe’s new Iron Curtain: The defences designed to keep Putin out as Biden announces a new permanent base in Poland – while Sweden and Finland are formally invited into alliance and Russia blasts ‘destabilising’ move
US will sent thousands more troops to Europe along with fighter jets and ships to help defend against Russia
Biden also announced first permanent US military base will be created in Poland – a move hailed by Warsaw
Finland and Sweden were also formally invited to join the alliance, after Turkey dropped its opposition
NATO has sent 4,000 extra troops to eastern flank and will boost high-alert force from 40,000 to 300,00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10965319/NATOs-new-Iron-Curtain-alliance-commits-extra-troops-Madrid-summit.html

Harrington Richardson: Gimme Sachwerte!
Harrington Richardson: Gimme Sachwerte!
  flash
June 29, 2022 12:48 pm

There will be a full blown US Gay Pride, uh I mean Army HQ established. Maybe there will be $85 billion worth of shit to abandon? Fighter squadrons, Destroyers and an additional Combat Brigade in Romania. Already 100,000 troops in Poland. The border is undefended and the military is short tens of thousands of recruits. Could it be there aren’t as many homosexuals as they thought out there eager to kill foreigners? What do we wager it is all part of the evil fuqueres plans to fill our military with third world barbarians and unleash them on us? Can you still see your basement floor?

brian
brian
June 29, 2022 11:43 am
flash
flash
June 29, 2022 11:46 am

They take clean cut kids… FTA

beau
beau
June 29, 2022 1:27 pm

a thankless nation that does not take care of those defending it and killing nearly 70 million children in the womb, ie, killing its protection and future, will not survive. thankfully.

karl
karl
June 29, 2022 3:01 pm

Proper nutrition is the basis of good health. I keep asking the va how they feed blind veterans. NO sane person would expect them to source, prepare and feed themselves.
This is an ugly, ugly website. toe nail fungus and constant pop ups to remove. Just shit.

Llpoh
Llpoh
June 29, 2022 5:10 pm

I would have a lot more tears if they were drafted instead of having volunteered. Bad decisions make for bad outcomes.

The Indians who walked, and died, on the Trail of Tears did not volunteer. They were marched at the point of a gun. Pretty despicable comparison in my opinion.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  Llpoh
June 29, 2022 5:33 pm

Agreed

GNL
GNL
  Stucky
June 29, 2022 10:48 pm

Now now, Stucky. You can understand why he might take offense, no?

I agreed because I’m still baffled how throughout the last 10 years of victimhood, the American Indian has received no attention whatsoever. Weird isn’t it since I can’t think of any other group who, by government policy, experienced nearly complete genocide. Pretty amazing really. Trail of tears can only be assigned to one group imo.

Good post though. I hope more young people will rightly decide that wars are for other people UNLESS it comes to your door.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  GNL
June 29, 2022 11:22 pm

Wip – I have no lingering animosity. White folks won. That said, there were atrocities committed that were known atrocities. The Trail was one such. US politicians ALL knew it was an atrocity, and almost half voted not to do it. The other half – Andrew Jackson’s cronies – wanted the land, hated the Indian, and were happy enough if they died. But make no mistake, it was well understood that putting the Indian on the Trail was a despicable crime. They just didn’t give a shit. And that despicable crime should be remembered and other despicable actions should not be intermingled with that history. In my opinion. Especially when people are volunteering to take risks.

GNL
GNL
  Llpoh
June 29, 2022 11:53 pm

At least the American Indian finally got their own museum in DC. Been there. I will take my grandkids there when they are old enough to understand. That’s if DC hasn’t been abandoned by white folk by then. White flight was real. Could happen again I suppose. Ah, maybe not. DC Whites have been cucked.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Stucky
June 29, 2022 11:10 pm

Sure, vets are being mistreated. But there is simply no comparison between volunteers who put themselves in harms way, knowing the possible outcomes, and those that are herded up like animals, marched through horrible conditions, and where aged, women and children died in large numbers. That you don’t understand the difference, and that the comparison is insulting to those whose ancestors died at the point of a gun on the Trail is pathetic. The Trail was a black spot in US history.

BL
BL
  Stucky
June 29, 2022 11:20 pm

Llpoh is right, being part Injun I can relate.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  BL
June 30, 2022 12:06 am

As I said, I am not precious about this stuff. But it wasn’t cool, that is for sure. Made worse by the fact the assholes knew exactly what they were doing, as there was much screaming about it in Congress, and yet they did it anyway. And they did it to Civilized Tribes – those that were allies. Motherfuckers.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Stucky
June 30, 2022 12:01 am

Stuck – no need to ever apologize on TBP. Especially not to me. We are friends forged and hardened in battle, and that bond cannot be broken. You can do no wrong in my eyes. Really.

Llpoh
Llpoh
June 30, 2022 12:25 am

Here is a little bit of the history of the Trail of Tears.

https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/trail-of-tears