Your financial liability to your government is infinite

Via Sovereign Man

In the year 1255 AD, a prominent Italian businessman named Orlando Bonsignori launched a new venture that he boldly called the Gran Tavola, or “Great Table”.

Despite the name, it wasn’t a medieval furniture shop. Bonsignori came from a family of wealthy bankers who had highly influential political connections across Europe. And Bonsignori’s idea was to create the biggest bank on the continent that would cater specifically to kings, popes, and emperors.

In a way, what Bonsignori created was a sort of proto International Monetary Fund; he took deposits from, and made loans to, governments and rulers all over Europe. And Bonsignori’s Gran Tavola had an especially cozy relationship with the Vatican.

Bonsignori raised money for his bank by using a relatively new legal structure called the compagnia, which came from the Latin companio, which referred to the sharing of bread.

The idea behind a compagnia is that individuals could get together and pool their money into a single enterprise (like Bonsignori’s bank), and they would share the profits of the business in accordance with their capital contributions.

This seems like a pretty basic concept for us today. But in the Middle Ages it was quite innovative.

There was just one problem with the compagnia structure: while the partners all shared in the profits of the business, they also shared in the liability.

This meant that, if the venture failed, investors could actually owe MORE than they originally invested. And that’s exactly what happened with the Gran Tavola.

At first the bank was a smashing success; by the mid 1260s, they had become the exclusive financial partner to the Vatican. And that momentum continued for decades.

But by the mid 1290s, long after Bonsignori had passed away, the bank started having serious problems.

King Philip IV of France, angry that the Gran Tavola had backed some of his rivals, confiscated many of the bank’s assets. The bank also lost its Vatican business, which was a huge financial blow.

Within a few years, the bank was insolvent. It was so short of cash, in fact, that there wasn’t enough money to pay depositors.

But since the bank was structured as a compagnia, the bank’s investors were all personally liable for the shortfall.

This was pretty typical back then; the concept of holding shareholders liable to pay the debts of a business goes back thousands of years to Roman law.

But eventually new legal structures were developed. Governments realized that they needed to encourage business investment in order to stimulate commerce and economic growth. And one of the ways they did that was by formalizing the concept of ‘limited liability’.

The Dutch East India Company was one of the most prominent early examples of this structure; it was established in 1602 as a ‘joint-stock company’, whereby investors contributed capital in exchange for shares in the business. But an investor’s financial risk was limited to the amount contributed.

In other words, if the Dutch East India Company succeeded, the investor would receive his share of the profit. But if the company failed, the investor would only lose, at most, his original investment amount. He could not be held personally liable for the company’s debts.

And for the most part, this is still the way business is done today. Shareholders in Apple are not personally liable for the debts and obligations of the business; their total financial risk is limited to the amount of money they’ve invested… but not a penny more.

What’s interesting, however, is that while you cannot generally be held responsible for the debts of any company in which you’ve invested, you WILL ABSOLUTELY be held responsible for the debts of your government.

And local government is a great example.

Over the weekend I was talking with a friend who wanted my opinion about a couple of places she was thinking about moving to in the United States. She has young children and cares deeply about the quality of schools… so we started reviewing the school districts’ financial statements to get a glimpse of the future.

I was pretty surprised at what I saw.

Granted, I only reviewed a small sample of about a dozen school districts in various states. But each of them is heavily in debt– and these are in generally wealthy suburbs in North Texas, Virginia, Florida, Georgia, etc.

According to their audited financial reports, most of the districts I looked at took on hundreds of millions of dollars in new loans over the past two years because of COVID emergency measures they implemented. And now many districts are under pressure to increase security as well.

This is all financially crippling. Many are losing money or scrambling to come up with new funding sources. Some are considering closing down a few of their schools in order to cut costs. And almost all of them are proposing a tax increase.

This is where the concept of stakeholder liability starts to apply again.

Just like with the Gran Tavola where the shareholders were ultimately responsible for the company’s financial obligations, it’s the local residents who are ultimately on the hook for the school district’s debts.

Sure, a school district’s creditor won’t be able to sue the Jones family on Mulberry Street in order to collect. But citizens are absolutely liable to pay in the form of tax increases and service cuts.

And it’s really the same with all government– state, local, federal, etc. Whenever your politicians screw up and the government is in financial distress, they pass the buck on to the taxpayers.

But unlike a shareholder in a company who has ‘limited liability’, i.e. your financial exposure is limited to the amount of your investment, citizens have no similar limitation when it comes to government.

Your financial liability to your government is infinite. They can tax you and deprive you of services forever. As long as you allow them to do so.

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18 Comments
Llpoh
Llpoh
July 12, 2022 7:08 pm

As a US citizen, your liability is absolutely infinite. You can move away from a school district. You cannot move away from the US. No matter where on earth a US citizen goes, you must still pay US tax, and present all your financial info to them. And they have put in place draconian laws to ensure you do. And they have implemented FATCA, which forces all other nations to report your presence, wealth, income to the US in the event you don’t.

Why would a nation have such laws?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Llpoh
July 12, 2022 7:38 pm

Just 3 or 4 years ago I recall several instances where the media made a point of reporting cases of the IRS taking money from overseas accounts. In fact, Switzerland and Austria stopped taking any new accounts from the US because of the barriers put up by the IRS.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Fleabaggs
July 12, 2022 7:52 pm

Yup. Because of Fatca. Failure to report US citizens result in huge penalties on the country that so does.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Llpoh
July 12, 2022 10:34 pm

Actually it is not a liability for us it is the criminal act of conversion by those who are directly involved in transferring the liability and hold our property hostage:

https://conversion.uslegal.com/criminal-conversion/

Once the criminal scumbags threaten us to pay or else under color of law it is the criminal act of extortion:

https://extortion.uslegal.com/elements-of-extortion/

The fact that the criminal scumbags work together knowing that they will convert the debt onto others who had no consent or approval in the debt that the criminals will benefit from makes it the crime of conspiracy:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/conspiracy

When the criminal scumbags say that we are actually consented to the converted debt liability without any evidence whatsoever all while we who are being injured are accusing them of the criminal acts that is the crime of fraud:

https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/white-collar-crimes/fraud/

Given the fact that this is an entire organized criminal operation of conversion, extortion, conspiracy and fraud means the entire group of people involved and profiting from the organized scheme while having no actual liabilities themselves are actual committing the crime of racketeering:

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/racketeering-rico.html

This is all totally obvious. Supposedly they are there to establish justice for us but it is actually crime because they are continually committing all elements of the crimes listed here and many more. To say we have a liability is absolutely absurd. All of those people involved are criminals so deeply that they have overthrown the law and justice itself. Proper lawful remedy would be to permanently remove them from society forever and teach all children if the continual heinous criminal injury and tyranny they have inflicted on so many for so long.

And dumb people want to about republican vs Democrat or supreme court decision this or that. Political people (voters) are totally lawless and mindless idiots. They do not understand or uphold law – they perpetuate injury and criminal injury upon themselves and most others around them while they say they care which is why they vote.

If they cared they would learn the law and uphold it by bringing the criminals justice to remedy the ongoing criminal injuries.

It’s not a liability for us, it’s crime by them.

Capn Mike
Capn Mike
  Llpoh
July 12, 2022 11:23 pm

why the downvote?? Everything you said was true and provable. Troll??

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Capn Mike
July 12, 2022 11:52 pm

It’s not all true. What they put in place are not “laws”. Criminals can’t make law because they are in breach while making the claim they are in office making “law”.

It is self-evident fact that one cannot be in breach of duty of a contractual bound capacity and be honorably within that contractual bound capacity simultaneously. When they are in breach they are not in office. When they are not in office they cannot make any law. This is obvious to the law abiding and completely incomprehensible to the lawless. The lawless don’t even know what a contractual bound capacity is so how could they ever know when someone is in breach of capacity and what that as actually means?

Capn Mike
Capn Mike
  Anonymous
July 13, 2022 1:22 am

As someone who lives offshore, I would like to see you put forth your legal theories when confronted by our friends in the Internal Revenue “Service”.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Capn Mike
July 13, 2022 5:25 pm

C M I got a good chuckle out of the tongue in cheek. If they charge us with something bogus we’re guilty if they say we are.

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist
July 12, 2022 7:41 pm

If just 1% of use refused to pay federal income tax,
the entire criminal enterprise would collapse.
There are simply not enough jail cells for 2 million
tax protesters. And if they make a big deal out of it, the number will jump to
10% who refuse.
Wouldn’t that be a thing.
Bring down Leviathan without firing a single shot.
Irish Democracy in a nutshell.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Colorado Artist
July 12, 2022 7:51 pm

More than that already do, and no collapse. Get serious.

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist
  Llpoh
July 12, 2022 11:35 pm

HAHAHAHAHAH!
If you think 2 million people who owe federal tax aren’t paying any taxes, Yer dreamin’ mate.
LOL!

fujigm
fujigm
  Colorado Artist
July 13, 2022 1:17 am

CA, wake up.
11 million + ‘illegal’ aliens pay next to no taxes, using appropriated SSNs.
Nobody comes for them.
And neither for the multitudes of wizened that disappear into that sea of people.
And those are just the ‘little people’ that don’t pay…
Didn’t somebody say that income tax in the US was voluntary?
System D was projected to be 2/3 of the world economy by 2020 (back in 2012).
Even if it’s only over half, which side do you think is the right play?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Colorado Artist
July 12, 2022 8:37 pm

Artist that might have worked once but as long as we can force the world to take our Fiat we can just print up what we need as is being done as we speak.

BL
BL
  Fleabaggs
July 12, 2022 8:42 pm

Flea- What force, the world is BEGGING for USD’s. We are the least dirty shit paper in the pile, hell…we are at par with the Euro and closing in on the British Pound. We don’t have to force dollars on the world.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  BL
July 12, 2022 9:00 pm

Surely you jest. The Euro is crashing because we crashed it by bullying the EU into going along with our sanctions and provoking Russia to reduce energy supplies to them.
What gives with you today?

BL
BL
  Fleabaggs
July 12, 2022 9:03 pm

Doesn’t matter what put us in the catbird seat, the fact is we are the preferred toilet paper of choice right now. What do you mean, what gives with me today??

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist
  Fleabaggs
July 12, 2022 11:38 pm

Yeah, then we can’t.
The world sees what our fully corrupt government is doing,
and they are making other plans. The dollar is going the way of the Weimar Mark.
Best be ready for that.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Colorado Artist
July 13, 2022 12:24 am

That’s not news here on TBP. You act like everyone is as stupid as you are.