Guest Post by Mary Chistine
One hopes to never hear your child say that to you but many times they do.
“Mom, I think I know what’s wrong with Jennie!” My younger daughter, Bella, usually called me on her way home from nursing school to pass some of the time. She’d been doing a week of clinicals at the state mental hospital. One of the patients there had been diagnosed with BPD. This young woman had been exhibiting the same type of behavior as her sister. The most notable of which is explosive anger, even over what seems to be small things, and can escalate to a full blown melt down. I had never heard of BPD. Intrigued, I started what turned out to be months of research on this mental disorder beginning with finding out what it is and how one is diagnosed with BPD.
What does Borderline Personality Disorder mean?
Historically, the term “borderline” has been the subject of much debate. BPD used to be considered on the “borderline” between psychosis and neurosis. The name stuck, even though it doesn’t describe the condition very well and, in fact, may be more harmful than helpful.
Current ideas about the condition focus on ongoing patterns of difficulty with self-regulation (the ability to soothe oneself in times of stress) and trouble with emotions, thinking, behaviors, relationships and self-image. Some people refer to BPD as “Emotion Disregulation.”
What are the criteria for diagnosing BPD?
The National Education Alliance for Borderline Personality Disorder. Founded in 2001, this organization is one of the best resources for learning about BPD. They define it as
A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image and affects, and marked impulsivity beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
- Fear of abandonment
- Unstable or changing relationships
- Unstable self-image; struggles with identity or sense of self
- Impulsive or self-damaging behaviors (e.g., excessive spending, unsafe sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating).
- Suicidal behavior or self-injury
- Varied or random mood swings
- Constant feelings of worthlessness or sadness
- Problems with anger, including frequent loss of temper or physical fights
- Stress-related paranoia or loss of contact with reality
Jennie checked the boxes of at least six of the above. Numbers 3 and 7 are possibilities but I can only speculate without being inside of her mind. Notice they say the symptoms manifest in early adulthood. Probably because some of the behavior listed is impossible until you hit the mid-teens. However, NEABPD publishes lectures and testimony from people who have been through their program. Parents who saw the explosive anger throughout childhood, and people with BPD, say they dealt with the mood swings and inability to control their anger as children.
Jennie had been a relatively easy baby. She seemed happy and hit all the milestones normal babies pass on their way to toddlerhood. But at about 18 months I began wondering if she was a changeling. “It’s just the “terrible twos” coming on a little early.” my pediatrician said. I don’t want to give the impression it went from all good to all bad. There were days when things went well and days where I wondered if I was going to make it through the day at all. One day, a 5-minute time out took hours because she refused to stay in the chair. “You should have spanked her!” some will say. Don’t worry, I tried everything. “You have a strong-willed child.” the pediatric nurse told me. She recommended a book, The Strong-Willed Child. I read the book, none of what was suggested worked.
For most kids, the terrible twos fade away and usually, about age 5 the tantrums are not a regular thing anymore. Not for Jennie. Now, I worked part-time and while she never seemed to get over being dropped off and having separation anxiety, she did calm down and function normally so that the teachers (or babysitter) did not complain that it was a regular problem with tantrums. Nope, she saved those for when she was home.
But odd things would set her off. Things that most kids could brush off more easily.
One of those odd things I distinctly remember was her problem with sock seams. Mornings could be a nightmare sometimes as she pulled off her socks and threw them down, crying in frustration. Weird huh? When one of the NEABPD lecturers (a parent of a Borderline child who had been through their program and was now teaching) told the story of sock problems her child had, a lot of people in attendance raised their hands. Borderlines experience frustration in a completely different way than normal people and unable to deal with it, the tantrums ensue.
But they also tend to be highly intelligent and creative. Jennie loved art and could draw things at a very young age that I’ve never been able to draw. She scored high in language arts and reading. She loved to read and would read by flashlight when she was supposed to be asleep. She created elaborate imaginative games and would play with her younger sister for hours. It’s common for them to love animals, mainly because animals seem to calm rather than cause distress.
By the time she turned 13 she was beginning to show signs of getting worse. A divorce did not help things. A highly recommended family counselor misdiagnosed her as oppositional defiant. BPD was only identified in the 80’s and misdiagnoses were common. While therapists now are familiar with it, many will not treat it.
BPD is notoriously hard to treat and co-morbidities such as narcissism and bi-polar can also manifest in a percentage of Borderlines making it even more challenging to treat. Some honest psychiatrists note that some of their patients who say they are trans have BPD. No one knows how many people have BPD but the estimate of 5% of the population could be on the low side. Women are more likely to be diagnosed than men. Possibly because men with this disorder can end up in jail and are never diagnosed.
Some of the reasons why many therapists will not treat people with BPD are:
- Noncompliance with treatment: People diagnosed with BPD become very reactive and often demonstrate an extreme resistance to change. This is because individuals with personality disorders often do not see themselves as a problem but instead view everyone else as being the cause of their difficulties. When these individuals have co-occurring substance use disorders, this increases the chances for noncompliance.
- Self-destructive tendencies: BPD patients are often self-destructive and have issues with self-injurious behaviors and suicidality. Because the treatment process attempts to correct dysfunctional behaviors, individuals with BPD must first see the need to change (which means they must accept deficiencies within themselves), which fosters even further issues with self-degradation, suicidality, etc. This often complicates the treatment process.
- Relationship issues: People with BPD have relationship issues with nearly everyone in their lives, and significant relationship issues will often develop with therapists as a result of the therapeutic process of change. The patient may first idolize the therapist and then later totally demonized them (splitting) or may attempt to manipulate different therapists against each other in order to manipulate the overall treatment. Professionals who treat people diagnosed with BPD must be aware of these potentialities and even expect them to occur. Unstable personal relationships within treatment itself as well as outside treatment contribute to the difficulty of helping these individuals adjust.
Jennie is notorious for blaming her problems on others and uses manipulation to get her way. On the other hand, she will sometimes admit her bad choices are the cause of her current predicament.
Of course, I wondered what causes this insidious mental disorder.
Research on the causes and risk factors for BPD is still in its early stages. However, scientists generally agree that genetic and environmental influences are likely to be involved.
Certain events during childhood may also play a role in the development of the disorder, such as those involving emotional, physical and sexual abuse. Loss, neglect and bullying may also contribute. The current theory is that some people are more likely to develop BPD due to their biology or genetics and harmful childhood experiences can further increase the risk.
Brain scans comparing normal and BPD brains show there is a noted difference. This same study shows a genetic tendency, as well. Jennie’s paternal aunt has very similar symptoms.
Childhood trauma such as abandonment, which can be real or perceived often contributes to the onset. I think back to her separation anxiety and wonder. If I had known, there are a lot of things I would have done different.
What does BPD look like over a lifetime?
BPD presents across the lifespan and may be thought of in stages:13
- Premorbid stage (starts in childhood)
- Subclinical stage (early adolescence)
- First full BPD episode (middle or late adolescence)
- Remission and relapse (from middle to late adulthood)
Not everyone with BPD follows this pattern. Other trajectories are possible.
Remission and relapse. Jennie seemed to go into somewhat of a remission around age 21. She gave birth to her son at 22, worked several jobs as a server over the next 15 years. One lasting 5 years and then bouncing from restaurant to restaurant over the next 10. Some people with BPD can function to the point where they graduate from college and are able to have a career, those are considered to be “high-functioning” as they turn all of their pain inward instead of having the explosive outbursts of anger. Nevertheless, it takes a heavy toll on them.
In order to keep this from turning into a book, I will leave out details of the tumultuous teens and the toll it took on the family to keep her from being evicted after her son was born. This effort kept him living in the same duplex and around school friends he met who lived nearby, giving him a fairly stable life until he was 15.
Another failed relationship with a guy who she said was bi-polar sent her back into full blown BPD and unable to keep her job, she was evicted and lost custody of her son.
These are all things I can look back on and know now what the underlying cause of all of this drama was. It was spring of 2019 when Bella, in her last semester of nursing school, called me with what she thought was Jennie’s problem.
I never know where she is. She has been homeless except for a short 6-month period last year. She has bounced from man to man, always someone who probably has their own mental health issues. There was a DUI in 2017, a suspended driver’s license, driving without a license, more driving offenses. Jail several times, missed court appearances and skipped bail.
Is there hope for her? I never give up praying but I’m also realistic. Every year that goes by it looks more and more grim.
On the positive side, her son, despite what he’s been through, has done well. Moving a half-continent away to live with his dad was tough. He graduates from high school this year and plans on moving back here where he considers it to be home. He sees his childhood friends every time he comes back to visit.
Is there hope for others with BPD? That is why I wrote this essay. The population is thought to be at 5% of people with BPD, and possibly higher. That is at least 1 in 20.
If you know someone like that there is hope. Even if they won’t get help, NEABPD has a 12-week course that teaches the families of loved ones with BPD to learn how to interact with them. Learning how to deal with them in a positive way helps diffuse the anger before it becomes explosive. There are resources to help you find a nearby therapist if they are ready to get help.
When I do hear from Jennie, I don’t start in on her about what a failure she is. She already knows that and acknowledges it from time to time. There is no point, and it’s counterproductive. Either she will cut off contact completely, or she starts screaming at me and I must disconnect the call. I want to stay in contact. Maybe she will decide she is ready to get help at some point. I hope so, otherwise the outlook for her is grim.
What will happen to all the mentally ill homeless people when the country finally collapses? We might be surprised. They have an amazing ability to survive under circumstances that would kill normal people.
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BPD in a nutshell:
I hate you – please don’t leave me.
I love you – go away, I never want to see you again.
What’s the difference between that and womanhood?
You, and the 20 people–so far (probably men) who upvoted you, are Part Of The Problem. Morons
Why, why is that a problem? Iska is making an observation that many of us have also observed with many (although certainly not most) women. It is a very real issue and the most common manifestation I see is with girls who are only interested in “bad-boy” guys that treat them like #$@. My daughter is going through this currently as she has no interest in nice guys that treat her well, but will keep going back the the same sociopaths that treat her like dirt and cheat on her constantly. I saw it when I was younger and dating. One need only look at how many battered women keep going back to their abusive husbands. to see that there is a very real problem.
How did your daughter end up with such low self esteem? Is she afraid to succeed, and if so, why? What kind of relationship modeling did she grow up with?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-lies-and-conflict/202001/8-reasons-women-stay-in-abusive-relationships
You’re getting hysterical.
Exactly. There is no problem. All good. Borderline women take the emotional volatility to a whole new level. They are a threat to a man’s mental health, his physical well being, his assets and even his life. You’d have to be insane to stick around in a relationship like that.
I spent years with a woman who had BPD, she was diagnosed with having Bipolar disorder, but it was BPD. The border between sanity and insanity.
I don’t hate her, although I probably should, I dont feel sorry for her, I feel nothing for her, and I try not to think about her because doing so gives me nausea.
As for the guy she left me for because he was a farmer and she decided she wanted to live on a farm, that brings a smile to my face because I’m sure she turned his life into a shit sandwich.
The difference between Bi-Polar (manic-depressive)and BPD: True Bi-Polars spend many days to weeks either manically high/happy or angry/depressed.
BPD goes from zero to explosive in minutes but usually will calm down within hours, and in my experience, always by the next day.
And yes, most likely your former SO will make her new guy’s life hell.
1)”As for the guy she left me for because he was a farmer and she decided she wanted to live on a farm,”
2)”And yes, most likely your former SO will make her new guy’s life hell.”
It is NOT inconceivable that She has FINALLY found contentment.
Works her ass off. Too. NO trouble sleeping?
Yup, you must married into my ex’s family…
You just outed yourself BPD demon. cry moar
Lol.
Back when SNL was funny and no one was safe, regardless of their chosen political persuasion.
Yes, they pointed up stereotypes very well.
Like the one about how women don’t have a sense of humor?
Why,
as they say, the truth hurts.
This is a big Part Of The Problem convention going on here, I see. Or maybe a Look Over There Convention. I feel sorry for your daughters.
I know to stay clear of a BDP after no more of a 6 week relationship, because I value my health, wealth and life. My two daughters are strong, have no issues with self esteem, don’t fall for this victim cult nonsense and are goal getters. But thanks anyway.
I feel sorry for people with no sense of humor – waddling through life looking for things to get offended by.
What problem, there is o problem at all. Bordies are fire crackers in the sack. Only way for a man to approach such as relationship: Slam bam and move on after no more than 6 weeks. That’s a bummer for her, but if a Bordie goes on Defcon I, you do NOT want to be around.
Why do you think this is a woman problem? Men have it too. They just usually end up in jail.
Plenty of men have that problem. But they’re not allowed to pull the victim card. So they handle their problem and move on. If they can’t handle it, they end up living out of their car and too often, commit suicide. But men are supposed to be toxic and horrible, so they get 0 help. One of the many reasons we have a MGTOW movement.
I have a sister who is either Bipolar or Personality disordered…no matter, I stay away from her. My point of view is that she is a colossally spoilt brat who was never made to grow up or face the consequences of her actions. When she didn’t get her way she threw a tantrum and screaming and acting out was a great way for her to get her way…until it wasn’t. I have no sympathy for this ‘disease’ because, oddly enough, it comes and goes depending on the situation. Around a cop who could actually do something to her when she gets all violent and mouthy she manages to control herself. Anybody else who incurs her wrath gets the full monty. A wonder how that happens, no?
That’s a good point. My sister is on that spectrum somewhere, if I had to guess, bipolar. 4 marriages, I helped her move a half dozen times, she stayed in m place after a number of her relationships fell apart – yet, even then I’m still the ahole.
“Just Be Nice”
MC, I started it by committing a sexism. A cheap joke – that all women are crazy, when it’s probably no more than 60 or 70%.
Still joking, huh?🤣
Kidding. You are probably right. Particularly when I see young women today. It makes me sad.
But the young men are just as messed up. We are screwed as a society.
Yes, most young men are messed up. Trying to ingratiate themselves to feminist women. Huge mistake.
No mention of vaccination schedule.
I can understand why a parent would not want to believe they may have harmed their child, but at least consider the possibility if you had your child vaccinated per the CDC recommendations….
Vaccines linked to mental disorders by Yale study
The study, published last month in the journal Frontiers in Psychiatry, reports that patients diagnosed with neuropsychiatric disorders like obsessive-compulsive disorder and anorexia nervosa were more likely to have received vaccinations three months prior to their diagnoses. Though the collaboration between researchers at Pennsylvania State University and the Yale Child Study Center yielded results that seem to dispute the safety of vaccines, the authors asserted that the study needs replication on a larger scale and does not establish a causal relationship between vaccines and neuropsychiatric disorders…
The researchers found correlations for one vaccine in particular: the influenza vaccine, which was associated with higher rates of OCD, anorexia, anxiety disorder and tic disorder.
CDC Recommendations….
What vaccines will my baby get?
Between 12 and 23 months of age, your baby should receive vaccines to protect them from the following diseases:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/by-age/months-12-23.html
So we can get rid of your measles, mumps, and chicken pox. But your kid may have major psychological issues. What a trade.
The psychological issues are a physical manifestation of the changes in the brain due to the poisoning caused by the (((vaccines))) required by our government.
It is a much bigger problem than 99% of people are even aware exists.
Ask yourself, has FEDGOV ever done anything good for you, or was it really for their benefit??? And there is your answer…..
We are ruled by (((monsters))) who see us as no more than cattle, and to be managed as such…..
The cost benefit doesn’t work out with vaccinations. The increase in autism alone should scare any parent away from vaccines. Polio vaccine maybe. I’m old enough to remember people died and spent lifetimes in iron lungs. Measles and chicken pox no. Every kid got them in the 1940’s and 50’s . I don’t remember any of them being fatalities.
Yes, I thought about that. She was born in ’82 before the 1986 Vaccine liability was switched to the government. She had chicken pox at age 3. The schedule was less aggressive until the late 80’s when it really ramped up. But she did have a few vaccines.
Probably the most ‘inconvenient truth’ of the past 75 years …
Never had any other than the polio vax. I can’t believe I survived. Yet here I am, an old man. Had a tetanus shot one time.
I’m so old I even had small pox vax.
Remember the tell-tale circular scar on the upper arm?
Even after being jabbed twice I never developed the pox scab in my arm. After the second time they figured that I must have been naturally immune and that was that.
Same here. They made me get one when I immigrated into the US. Legally, with a job, tax payer ever since. Funny how things used to work.
I was giving a young lady a refresher course as a driver instructor. She had terrible negative self talk. She had her license, and had just gotten out of rehab, first clue. Yet she’s talking, I can’t drive. I was get rid of that negative self talk. You have obviously driven before as she kept in her lane fine. Just don’t follow so close and relax. You are doing fine. She relaxed a bit and was doing fine. I noticed she had a bandage on every finger. 2nd clue. They cut themselves. Next we are down town Anchorage with all the stop signs. She stops fine, but gets a little close to a person crossing. Next crosswalk. She gets really close. I was that’s very rude. She says. I’m trying to shock them, everyone always does this to me. It suddenly hits me. This girl is Borderline Personality Disorder. It went way down from there. I told her that was very rude, and how wrong it is to get close to people. She was totally belligerent from then on, any progress we had made the first hour disappeared. A couple days later I’m telling my boss about this Psycho girl, and parents want her to do a few more hours of driving with us. We agreed that must not happen. I am barely finished telling the story. When who walks into the office. But Psycho girl and her Dad. I go Harry there they are. He was I will take care of this. I have though about this often.
I was at Ft. Rich for a few years in the 90s I spent alot of time tearing around Anchorage causing havoc and mayhem lol…
Why does everything have to be a fucking disorder? Life is hard. Everyone has scars from childhood and could probably write a book.
I am the parent of 2, a son and daughter. Girls are more emotional and prone to outbursts but boys do it too. Just not as often. In a loving household with two parents it is our job to let them vent those emotions, learn appropriate boundaries for those emotions, and then teach them how to de-escalate so that things don’t get out of hand.
After coaching sports for more than a decade I can tell pretty quick who has a stable home life and who does not.
I don’t know of anyone who had more of a loving stable home than my sister and I…but she developed much of what this thread describes.
Mark, I was not singling out your sister. My post was more in reference to everything being a disorder. Recently mainstream science has started to look at ADHD and the overpresciption of drugs to young young kids making their brains a cocktail of chemicals.
Do I think that some have ADHD or BPD or (fill in the blank), yes. But there is an entire industry based on selling their pills to kids or adults that don’t fit in for one reason or another.
Arizona Bay,
No…I didn’t take it as a singling out…we’re good buddy.
She had some insecurities…got married to a sociopath at 18…had two babies one right after the other then was severly mistreated for a decade. (She kept most of it secret or I would have beat her husband close to death, and he knew it).
When I say a sociopath that is not hyperbole. She told me 30 years later, and after he was long dead the only thing that stopped him from beating her and their oldest boy was his fear of me. She told him she was going to tell me if he didn’t stop, and that stopped it.
Then she ended up marrying another boozy loon…both died young from drugs/booze.
But, she fit most of this description for decades…and our parents were just wonderful. We had an idyllic childhood surrounded by love and the right amount of discipline.
She came to Christ…laid it all down…and had 15 good years with the right man.
When she was on her deathbed she told us she wanted to home…and she went super quick.
Kids get older or whatever. Not certain what you meant but adult children ain’t the same.
“Why does everything have to be a fucking disorder?”
I have no answer.
“Why does everything have to be a fucking disorder?”
A surprising number of people have difficulty accepting the vast range of possible mental disfunctions. Even after professionals in psychology and psychiatry have rigorously defined and specified the problems, some people simply pretend the diagnosis is not real. This inability to accept medical opinion is called “Diagnosis Non-acceptance Disorder” and is most commonly marked by the patient asking “Why does everything have to be a fucking disorder?” If you find yourself contemplating such a question, you may be suffering from Diagnosis Non-acceptance Disorder (“DND”).
Seek professional guidance. Treatment may take years, and yes, the sufferer must WANT to change, but help is available.
(In case anyone is not sure, YES, I am joking! There is no DND. Not yet. Wait a while and that may change.)
Read a story a few weeks back about a new code for the vaccine hesitant; of course there are multiple codes, depending on the reluctance of the “patient”. What a fucked up world we live in.
>>>“Why does everything have to be a fucking disorder?”
It’s what credentialled professionals do: discover a new ‘item’ or a slightly different variation of an old item. You see this sort of things with the smashing of elementary particles in accelerators – the more you smash, the more particles you find. Same with species of bacteria and similar organisms – the more you grow and test them, the more ‘new’ types and subtypes you find. All new discoveries, of course, require confirmation, additional research and research grants.
I once talked with a famous MD researcher about one of his more obscure ‘discoveries’ in the human blood-clotting system. Laughing, he told me that the chief real-world significance of his discovery was that “it put my kids through college”.
Ever think how much money there is with each new “disorder”?
On a side note, the boob tube news had a piece today about the increasing severity of the shortage of adderall. Holy shit! What’s gonna happen to mankind? Maybe we need more train derailments.
“Ever think how much money there is with each new “disorder”?”
…Different ‘Product Lines’. New ones on a regular basis.
Sports are by far the best after-school job a kid can have. Learned that lesson early on and was willing to pony up every penny that was needed to support our kids and their teams. Best investment I’ve ever made.
“Sports are by far the best after-school job a kid can have”
‘BPD’?
Just another excuse for the bad behavior of a shitty person.
The giveaway – ‘Notice they say the symptoms manifest in early adulthood. Probably because some of the behavior listed is impossible until you hit the mid-teens.‘
Read my story above. This might be partially an outcome of behavior that has never been corrected. But at this level there are deep Psychological issues.
The only truly shitty people are those who lack all empathy.
show empathy for a borderline, and they’ll eat you alive. shun them. their 30 cats and their master Satan will take care of them
So what?
Mary,
I had a younger sister with these six out of the nine:
Fear of abandonment (Her first husband put her through the ringer with this one).
Unstable or changing relationships
Impulsive or self-damaging behaviors (e.g., excessive spending, unsafe sex, substance abuse, reckless driving).
Varied or random mood swings
Problems with anger, including frequent loss of temper
Stress-related paranoia or loss of contact with reality
She became a Christian in her mid-40’s and that plus her 3rd marriage (that was successful he was a wonderful guy who really loved her) stabilized her, and finally brought her peace on that side of the equation.
She really calmed down the last 15 years of her life and it was obvious to everyone (besides a good man who adored her) it was through her faith and bible study/church involvement. It took a while, but she greatly improved as a Christian.
However, the other MIC (the Medical Industrial Complex) injected her with a tremendous excessive amount of hormones (we found this out years after the fact) and she went home with raging breast cancer at 70.
She was a sweet little girl…was extremely generous, had a wonderful loud laugh (like all in our family) and I did everything I could to protect her growing up, but I moved around the country quite a bit in my 2o’s, 30’s, 40’s when she was at her peak disorder…and couldn’t do much to help her.
When our parents got old and lost their health she and husband stepped up and did a wonderful job together giving them both comfort in their home in their last years. Both my Dad, Mom, and then my little Sister died in the same bedroom in my sister’s house.
This thread really hit me as she even looked like the picture of the woman you used.
Here is a dare for you. What illness isn’t a bi-product of the MIC?
AK,
I’m a homeopathic guy myself…have two tabbed binders with printouts of what I take.
I just go to the VA MIC for stitches and such.
(No more chainsaw dances…the chainsaw will lead)
I know you are. You and I are probably two of the biggest holistic health and silver guys on TBP.
Bada Bing…Bada Boom!
Mark, it seems to be the same in most families. The other kids are fine. If the family is unstable it makes it worse but it happens in stable families, too.
Many times it’s blamed on shitty parenting and we parents are the first to blame ourselves and wondering what we could have done different. I’m glad your sister got better. Some do calm down in later years.
It’s not something that can be fixed with pills. All they do is temporarily mask the symptoms. The person has to learn how to control their emotions. They learn their triggers and how to talk themselves down before rage takes over through Dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) which may improve symptoms of borderline personality disorder (BPD) by teaching skills that include mindfulness and emotion regulation.
I have a problem with “mindfulness”, though. It’s based in eastern religions. A Christian psychologist can work around that.
Yea, without a doubt “mindfulness” is Buddest bullshit.
I was directed to a 5 Elements Acupuncture practitioner for some non-physical healing … and he helped tremendously. True, my non-physical issues were from the removal of my pericardium 31 years earlier … but 5 Elements Acupuncture might just offer some help …
The practitioner I went to was on the faculty of a school teaching Traditional Chinese Medicine … he was in charge of the interns who observed and did a lot of the treatment under that supervision. I never hesitated … and it worked wonders in my life.
You might want to look into it …
AA,
The 5 Elements is one of my favorite movies! (I love the opera singer/gunfight scene).
My wife watches a lot of Chick Flicks…most of them are like sticking needles in my eyes…does that count?
Close … but no cigar …
Every time she makes me watch Dirty Dancing…
I make her watch Roadhouse…
I’m convinced that most peoples issues stem from some type of demonic control or possession. Jesus spent most of His time in ministry, casting them out. We are most definitely in the “last days” for whatever amount of time that represents, I’ve no idea. Having a child like Mary Christine describes would certainly be heartbreaking.
This. People with personality disorders are not human. just empty meat suits piloted by evil.
There is no real science backing psychiatry the jew racket.
Dunno, sounds non-denominational to me.
“Psychiatrists are for people who don’t have friends.”
– Thomas Szasz (psychiatrist)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Mental_Illness
1 in 20? Sounds like a majority of white Western women these days.
all women are crazy. just by varying degrees. It’s up to each man to determine how much crazy he will allow in his life. Ask Adam about Eve
Hell,at one point or another have to a degree checked off all the boxes,had a few vacc.s early but way before the pile on of shots.
I was between age 3-4 pretty badly abused by a neighbor,that said,mid 60’s was not so much on the radar and I find out later a subject it seemed many proper folks did not discuss/consider.
I also grew up in a family that divorce hate to say it was on the table from about 5 on but did not go thru completely till I was 18.
With all that also had what I consider for a large part a great childhood/have had great relationships with woman thru the years/lots of friends and though had arguments/disagreements with both me folks loved them both and miss them both.
Therapy helped a bit as young adult but self imposed therapy of martial arts really did the trick,friends and family talking listening to me helped a lot also.
I still get frustrated at times but literally talk meself thru what is causing me frustration whether work/relationships ect. and still can have a dangerous to a degree temper(why I don’t carry)but have not had violent public/private situations so so far…..,so good.
I will say the one thing I realized was would never be good parent material and thus made sure not to bring children into the world,that said,over the years have been “crazy uncle James” for a lot of me friends kids, just watching them when needed/teaching them how to work on cars/fish ect. and being a adult for them to talk with when they felt at moment could not talk to their parents about issues bugging them.
Did I have(have) bdp,really don’t know.
The best we can do is be there for folks when they need us and sometimes that means leaving them alone until they come to you(which can be a bitch!).
kys
Nah….,that said,find and annoy me in person have no issue ky…..,just saying.
Seems you would be a fine sacrifice for the temper in me,I give admin permission to send you me e-mail you want to pursue this,will come to your choice of place empty handed weapon wise.
Till then:
I think Gabor Mate might have hit it, he throws out all the personality disorders and explains why they could all come down to this one primary thing – explosive anger from the pain of lack of attachment – a side effect of the modern world. I found this summary after a quick look,
…but I’ve seen some longer better ones from him on the attachment issue that are very thought provoking.
Yes. Attachment is everything. Lack of parental attachment leads to pathological peer dependence.
“When kids are young, give them roots; when they are older, give them wings.”
Just like our government doesn’t ‘give’ US our freedom and liberty — parent’s don’t ‘give’ their children their wings … they just need to let their children use them with a bit of guidance so that they don’t fly too close to the sun …
Am following his work closely, even listening to The Myth of Normal while I do dishes. I don’t do them often or for long, so I’m like on chapter 3.
My take? People are naturally fucked up.
Shit runs downhill.
That face must be from a failed virtual reality experiment. The face is certainly weird with eyes rolling upwards into forehead plus the face is not a good fit to the hairline or ears. I don’t recognize the false face.
mc,
this is a good article & i bet that there is not an adult who reads this that doesn’t have someone like this in their life –
thanks 4 having the guts to post it —
Thanks, Red. I knew comments would be all over the place including accusations of bad parenting. I just posted it because a lot of people know someone like that and wonder what the hell is wrong with them. This could be the answer.
An old boss and his wife had 6 children. The third was subsequently diagnosed as autistic at a time when those diagnoses were uncommon. He told me his wife knew during that one pregnancy that it was different than her other 5 pregnancies. I didn’t ask for details but ever since have wondered if there was correlation between her pregnancy experience and the autistic child.
Did you notice anything different when you were carrying Jennie?
Childhood trauma, yeah, my dad pointed a Colt .45 ACP at my head when I was 15. Thank God he did not pull the trigger. Yes, it was “loaded”. Drunk…
Get over it.
I’ve a cousin that never got over what a sorry son of a bitch her daddy was yet to this day worships her daddy six feet under. One has to realize in this neck of the woods incest was likely prevalent. Sort of like Deliverance or something.
squeal like a pig, boi
Iranian foreign exchange students from the Carter years can explain what life in America is like.
While Deliverance’s setting was the Chattooga River in Georgia , as far as pigs in Arkansas here are the signals to draw both razorbacks and domestic pigs in for some squealing.
https://www.uark.edu/athletics/traditions.php
As for incest, the banjo boy in Deliverance is a result of sexual relations within a family. Just saying.
East bank of the Chattooga is SC, the west bank is GA.
Here at TBP, we still maintain a few standards, in both accuracy and fair-play.
Deliverance was shot primarily in Rabun County in northeastern Georgia. The canoe scenes were filmed in the Tallulah Gorge southeast of Clayton and on the Chattooga River. This river divides the northeastern corner of Georgia from the northwestern corner of South Carolina. Additional scenes were shot in Salem, South Carolina.
LOL…so the incest is only in SC?
MC…thanks for your bravery in posting this article about your child. Hopefully, it will help others who are in this same situation and feel hopeless.
Some of these comments are absolute bullshit & ignorant, and some imply that you were not a good mother. But, I’m sure you braced yourself for that. People are stupid, including many here.
I know of parents who are in this situation with their own kids (not all with BPD, but with some kind of neuro-diversity) that makes living a normal life very difficult. It is heartbreaking for the parents. And it doesn’t matter how good that parent may be, their child still struggles mightily no matter what the parent does.
So, I hope you can blow off these idiots who have never walked in the shoes of a parent with a child who suffers any kind of mental illness. Fuck ’em.
Thanks, Abby. I just ignore the ignorant comments.
I wanted to get back to you today but my mother died last night on the way to the hospital and while it is sad, it is also a relief she has had so much problems with her heart. I thanked everyone messaging me with condolences but told them, in reality, my mother’s passing was God’s way of relieving the pain of having a heart full of endless forgiveness.
My father passed almost 10 years ago, of Alzheimers. She was his caregiver without whom he would have died in a VA nursing home probably abused by technicians he didn’t like and didn’t mind yelling at. Momma endured a lot and now she gets her reward from the Lord.
Ghost,may your mum enjoy the next chapter in life and cross lines with your dad!
Maggie- So sorry for the loss of your mother. It is good that you settled your differences before she passed. Prayers for you and your family.
Ghost, my deepest condolences for your loss. But rejoice that she’s received her reward.
It’s always hard to lose a parent. Even when it’s a relief.
Thanks, Mary Christine, for sharing such an important and intimate part of your life … for baring your soul to US here. May God bless you and your daughter …
Thanks, Anthony.
I am also planning a detailed read and response. I admire you greatly. Is a shame our friendship got Hollywood robbed assisted by self- serving cowards.
That should draw some spitters.
My stepson married a woman dx’d with BPD who is making his life hell. We have a one-year-old grandson who is doomed to a life of manipulation and trauma.
He is adorable but he does not smile as much as he did a few months ago.
All I can do is pray that God helps my Vinnie find a way to keep his son sane.
Hi Mags, your grandson may end up being ok. Mine is doing quite well, considering what he’s been through.
Your step-son will either have to leave, or learn how to deal with her, or his life will continue to be hell.
I took a 12 week course from NEABPD and learned a lot. There were 3 other couples and a mother and sister of a BPD person, and a sister of a BPD person. You learn from the others how similar their loved ones with BPD are.
You can take them in person but those classes are over a weekend and it’s a long wait, or take them by zoom, a much shorter wait.
My son is undergoing some therapy now for childhood trauma never really addressed. I did take him to the youth pastor after he was molested but now I realize a professional counselor might have prevented a lot of the problems he had in social situations.
I think we all need some decent therapy.
Ghost ,as a survivor of some evil shit I recommend martial arts as part of your sons therapy,helped me a lot.
Th best thing is when he wants to talk about the shit you can listen along with family/friends ect.
The biggest thing to get thru tis “Not his fault”,been there/heard that/helped a lot.
Those sort of resemble duck calls.
“Those sort of resemble duck calls.”
…Relating to
migratoryItinerant Weed-Whackers in this case. Shoulda recognized them as such, but it’s been 5-6 yrs. Was just gonna opt for the nondescript, Spartan(ish)- utilitarian plastic model’s @ Duck-Commander, but Noooooo… The Boss is somewhat frugal.However, Absolutely NO PROBLEM. Her. Spending ever increasing sums of money on gasoline. Itinerant herself.
She Said:
“It’s part of my job, Baby. Admittedly, I have been Very Impressed with your mouth over time, why not try to learn to call them with those nimble lips? In conjunction with that tongue? They will be in love with U2. Try NOT to hurt yourself while I’m gone”
LSS. (Long Story Short)* Got to be fairly adept @ just calling them with my mouth, even the Wood Ducks.
Fairly long strip beside the main driveway that parallels the crick. The bank part is kinda steep in places. Once i dun learnt ta spread the cracked corn uniformly? No Need ta run the Weed-Eater, there. Evermore. Hopefully.
Now that You so thoughtfully pointed out that they are in fact duck calls?
Kinda gaudy & ostentatious, imho, prolly WHY i did not recognize ’em. But They ARE Duck Calls!
“Health Care PROFESSIONALS” 🤣🤣🤣 THAT cat is outta the bag.
Serendipitous, ta say the LEAST! A NATURAL PAIRING. Since @ LEAST https://hannenabintuherland.com/usa/john-rockefeller-how-he-took-control-over-modern-medicine/
“Old McDonald had a farm, ee, i, ee, i oh
And on that farm he had a Duck
ee, i, ee, i oh
With a Quack Quack here
And a Quack Quack there
Here a Quack
There a Quack
Everywhere a Quack Quack
Old McDonald had a farm, ee, i, ee, i oh!
Originally? Was just looking for something wide enough (Picture) ta make a little Meme about the Utica & Marcellus Shale Formations…
https://geology.com/articles/utica-shale/
Can’t remember which is most ‘noteworthy’ for what. Either. ONE is most notable for a substantial portion used In PHARMACEUTICAL production. AND certain ‘classes’ of all synthetic
Never Degradesstripes. Etc.Prolly most likely something ta do with fractional % make up/ease of refining to the constituent level?
NO IDEA. (Can’t remember that. Either)
While NOT a farmer, by ANY stretch of the imagination, Anymore, Previous endeavors Could be a contributing factor ta my memory issues. OR because 👁 quit. Irrelevant…
Sincerely, *quite enuff
P.P.S. ‘Cross Platform Compatability’?
Whole Corn. Deer, & especially the Turkey’s! (Spot Applications; 50:50 cracked/whole. The Deer excel @ ‘Breaking’ the Crest/Lips off. The Turkey’s?
Terraforming specialists extraordinaire. Other side of the main drive had little cliffs/Out Cropping’s. Pick up/dig out the rocks intermittently, as exposed more & more by said Animules. This year? May not even have ta drag the Pulverizer™ over the area!
Sincerely, Hang On! the REAL ‘Fun’ has NOT YET begun. imho.
If you really really want to have your life destroyed to the ground, fall in love with somebody with BPD.
Try being born to one! I used to think my Dad drank because of Korea and Vietnam.
Turns out it was “all of the above”.
There’s 8 billion people on this rock.
Mix in all the toxic chemicals we produce and eat and get bathed in,
and the reverberations of others falling off their rockers,
and a number are going to have bad brains.
They called me hyperactive when I was a kid (now ADHD).
Never be ashamed of who or what you are.
Using self control, it’s a gift.
The speed of mental processing blows others away.
I just have to keep focus.
The more you do it, the better you get.
Everybody has an albatross.
BPD sounds like another whole world of self control issue…
With God, ALL things are possible.
This is excellent work Mary thank you for all the info. I covered much of this in my counsellor training in the 1990s. Most dysfunction is due to emotional disorders that can be handled if the client has the genuine desire to ‘move on’. We are all damaged in one way or another and I found ‘inner child work’ highly effective combined with Gestalt and sometimes hypnotherapy for those really stuck in their distress.
However, there is a small proportion of people who have such deep damage within their immaculate eternal spirit that it is beyond access from any form of treatment and becomes ineffective. These people are identified by M.Scott Peck in his book:
“Leading psychiatrist and self-help pioneer Dr M.Scott Peck reveals his encounters with evil, during sessions with patients of his psychiatric therapy.” He explains an example: “The patient suddenly resembled a writhing snake of great strength. . . More frightening than the writhing body, however, was the face. The eyes were hooded with lazy reptilian torpor. . .”
We were warned to identify these traits in clients at an early stage lest we ourselves became ‘infected’ and our Trainers gave examples of their own. We were advised to refer such cases as soon as possible but our ‘confidentiality practice code’ precluded alerting the authorities regardless of the risk to wider society.
Recently, I discovered Dr. Gabor Mate, whose book The Myth of Normal is available online via pdf and/or mp3.
Complex PTSD caused by childhood trauma has increased dramatically since social media replaced social interaction.
Good to hear from you Ghost and yes, there are so many disorders arising now because we are living in the Matrix – if you allow it – there’s always a choice to escape the prison but first have you to realise there is a prison – the prison is FEAR.
Did you breast feed ir C-Section ?Like it or not , gut bacteria is who we are. Fecal bacteria implants seem to have helped in some cases…worth looking into.
https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-020-02654-5
Natural birth and breast fed but I had to quit at 4 months. Every suggestion I have made to her to help her heal is ignored. She refuses to admit she has a problem other than anxiety.
She just may feel a need to punish you for some perceived wrong. I have a sister that treated my mother like that and made up the most atrocious lies, which I think arose from her not having the perfect life she imagined.
Our situation with our 2 daughters was a lot milder, though plenty frustrating with lots of emotional and financial cost. Seems like everything went to hell when the second daughter was born 4 1/2 years later. Always told myself things would have been better if they were spaced either 2 years apart or 8 years apart-that observation based on empirical evidence observed with other families.
How did she react to this article?
Sounds like shit to me.
Mary, thank you for posting this article. I understand. I read a saying once which went; “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” – Rev. John Watson. It’s a good saying, imo.
A difficult topic to explore.
Root: What is the problem, really?
A. Different diagnosis, by many, some in error..
What is the cause(s)? More assumptions, in the quest for accurate answers.
What is / are the solution(s)?
A. Variable. Usually a combination.
Like many, one’s experience will have comparable symptoms, failed solutions and a few helpful tips or treatments.
1. Don’t be so quick to immediately rule out medication.
Personally, it brought me back from the brink of disaster on 3 separate occasions over the last 20 years.
2. Emotional trauma is at the root of causes..
3. Genetics plays a role.
4. One suggested cause is, it involves a chemical imbalance in the brain. Now, the cause of that is debatable, and to this day, there is evidence, but still not definitively confirmed.
5. Support groups, and a competent professional MUST be found & utilized, especially if previous helpers have failed.
Keep looking for one or many that have proven to be helpful.
6. Proper diet and nutritional deficiencies are worthy of intense study and research.
7. physical, strenuous activity can and should be a valuable tool.
8. STOP w the “just get over it”, and “Re-focus, and Count your blessings” false expertise, from the peanut gallery. If it was simple and as easy as that, people would emerge successfully WAY sooner, and get freedom from the mental demons they suffer from.
9. A good, strong faith counselor can be a helpful, valuable asset, if adopted correctly.
10. Disorders such as these are way more commonplace than many folks realize.
Mary, Best of Luck, with your journey and challenges, moving forward.
Yes, another courageous topic you’ve put forth.
Anonymously here, for reasons that should not discount the merits of this comment.
BPD are demon possessed. Crucify them and move on. You can’t help evil
fuck off. there’s intentionally and willingly evil demons, but that’s not who we are talking about.
You ought to count yourself fortunate that you or anyone close to you has not had to deal with behavioral challenges you are so quick to condemn, crucify, and move on from. So, go ahead and throw your bad karma out elsewhere.
Maybe one day, you’ll reap what you sow, even if just in thought alone,
or worse still, any intentional actions of such cold hearted lack of empathy. That kind of thinking deserves the painful experience of manifesting for yourself the misfortune you dismiss in others.
You’re an asshole. Loser.
‘hurr durr lack of empathy’
*wishes suffering on that person*
it’s assholes all the way down
Borderline Personality Disorder…the Libtard diagnosis for the insanity resulting from inclusion, equity and tolerance. I live with a RINO Karen that voted for Brandon, supports Planned Parenthood and took every vax and booster…and I’m the one with a personality disorder…fuck that. I’m just waiting for the vax to work…
This subject needs to be discussed on Dr. Phil.
Is Jerry Springer still on?
https://giphy.com/explore/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn
Sending you hugs, Mary Christine.
Thanks, Avalon! 🤗
You’re a gem, Av. Really like seeing you comment.
Late to the party, M.C., and wanted to thank you for the post. I’ve mentored young men in my county and it seems the main priority is to help them stop being selfish assh*les. But with the women I’ve seen being helped, it appears more about them overcoming their inner “crazy”.
Thinking, anxiety, pain, pride… all have a little “i” in the middle… and that “i” is usually fearing something deep down. The fear is often expressed as anger, addiction, violence, self-harm, etc.
In many instances, though, those who have the ability to be honest with themselves have a shot at breaking the patterns that are no longer serving them.
But if nothing changes, nothing changes.
In any burnt-out ghetto in America, two buildings thrive: The church and the liquor store because these both give people hope and folks are usually placing their faith in either one or the other at any given time.
Jeremiah 6:16 says:
I’ll pray for you to have wisdom, serenity and acceptance and for Jennie’s suffering to lessen by means of a growing spiritual awareness and healing.
My 30 year old daughter is BPD. I have a background in drug and alcohol recovery and counseling. It is heartbreaking to say the least to watch a lovely young woman self destruct before my eyes. It can seem at times they will never just allow themselves to be treated by a professional. I have faith in God that He will heal her or direct her. Thanks for this article. She is also a chronic weed smoker for the las 17 years and that is definitely not helping.
“just allow themselves to be treated by a professional”
have the last few years taught you nothing?
Getting counseling these days is perilous. There are a few good ones but hard to find. I know of a psychiatrist who treats in-patient clients. She says the trans are usually borderlines who have been funneled into the cash cow of “trans therapy”. This just ends up making them worse.
People have problems sometimes. I don’t know what to do to help them with mental and emotional problems. However I do know that psychiatrists and psychologists are not the answer. Any professional who subscribes to the crap pushed by the psychiatric organizations are crazier than those they pretend to help.
Which brings up the question of the day: did previous American generations have problems like this and if so were they more prevalent or less prevalent?
10-4 on that. The norm is to load peeps up with psycho drugs and that IS being fair. 🙂
Mary C.
I have an older stepsister with this affliction. Although she provided constant turmoil in the family growing up, siblings kept their heads down and proceeded successfully. She graduated college and was a kindergarten teacher (scary I know) but retired early. All relationships have been unsuccessful because of manipulation and untrustworthiness. There have been lots of health problems, including lifelong severe allergies (related?).
Most bridges have been burned. Recently she was reduced to living in her car for a couple of years (around the age of 80!) but now has a bed in a YMCA facility. I stay in touch with her and try to be supportive, but I don’t let myself get caught up in the dramas. As you theorized, these people are tough.
Humanity cannot adapt fast enough to the increasing toxicity of the biological and cultural environments, so these kinds of pathologies are only going to increase. It’s a very complex issue, and I am sorry you have had such an education in its manifestation.
Thank you for sharing.
They can wreck a family. Because they are unable to manage finances, the families become divided on bailing them out of their financial problems.
121 comments and counting. Sounds like a subject that’s been woefully neglected in the media. Tell you one thing. If you come across a Bordie, enjoy 6 weeks of getting your brain turned to jello and then run for your life.
CPTSD
Is there hope for her ? As a licensed professional for 38 years I am sorry to say I have found out that no one has EVER been CURED of severe mental illness. They deal with it, but there is not one recorded case of cure. Not one. Sad fact of life.
That video might be good advice, but I was pretty disappointed. I’m saying that as one of the few fans of Nietzsche around these parts.
Be sure to purchase a “Just Be Nice” bumper sticker.
Different subject, how about the types that suffer from what I call Inferiority Complex? These are the types that for some reason may try to Be Somebody, “prove” themselves to others when the reality is they are no more than a grain of sand like the rest. These are the types that will lie in their profiles on sites such as FB noting themselves as a “rancher” , i.e. , something they ain’t. Always trying to build themselves up. Inferiority Complex.
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/what-to-know-inferiority-complex
Give ’em more psycho drugs?
MC,my TBP friend, you love your child and it is painful that they are not as successful as you had hoped. You have a lot of company though that does not make it better. Will pray for you and her. Wish you well.
MC, thank you for posting this.
Am well acquainted with effects of mental illness on family members. It’s heart breaking and I appreciate your courage. Lifting you and yours up in prayer.
To those who are praying for me, thank you. I don’t know if this helped anyone to understand better someone who is close to them. That was my aim in writing this.