On This “Need” Business

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Collectivists often say there is a “need” for something – and that coercion (i.e., government) must provide it.

As in the “need” for  . . . insert here.

What’s interesting about this, beyond the often unnoticed fact that collectivism is really a kind of deformed individualism in that every “collective” is necessarily run by individuals (Stalin, for instance) who coerce the collective, is what’s admitted to by collectivists – without irony or understanding. That being if there is, in fact, a need for something, there is incentive (money to be made, profit) to provide it, arising from from the willingness of those who feel the need for that something to pay for it.

Put another way: If there is no incentive to provide it – because people aren’t willing to pay for it – it is persuasive evidence people aren’t especially interested in it.

In other words, people – as individuals – don’t really need it.

What coercive collectivists really mean is that they, the collectivists, want whatever it is.

Often it is a thing people have demonstrated they don’t want, established by their unwillingness to pay for it when they had the choice not to. Air bags are an excellent case-in-point that helps make the point.

These were brought to market decades before they were mandated. GM and Chrysler both offered them in a number of models back in the early 1970s. They offered them to see whether people wanted to buy them. Tat is to say, felt the need for them. If they did, then they would continue to offer them and almost certainly would have expanded the offering to more models, because there was money to be earned by offering them.

This is how the market works.

But very few people felt the need was worth the cost and so they didn’t pay it – because they didn’t have to.

When air bags were withdrawn on account of lack of demand, collectivists did what collectivists do when people – individuals – do not see a “need” and decline to pay for it.

They created artificial “demand” for air bags by requiring all people to pay for them, the cost folded into the price of the car – along with the air bags they had made clear the did not want. Not enough of them, that is, to justify the car companies continuing to freely offer them, for they would lose money in that event.

But the car companies – who had originally opposed the mandates – discovered they could make a lot of money by forcing all of their customers to pay more for air bag-equipped cars, which they had to (if they wanted a new car) because there was no longer an alternative; i.e., you were no longer free to buy a car without air bags and thereby avoid spending the money for a feature you felt no need for.

That is how government works.

Everything about it is built upon the assumption that it – i.e., those individuals who are the government – know best about your “needs” and are more than willing to make sure you pay for them.

Which is precisely why there’s no check on them, as there was when the market was allowed to sort need from want.

Most people do need a car and are very willing – eager, even – to freely pay for one. It was for that reason never necessary to mandate the Model T or the Model A that replaced it. But it was – it still is – necessary to mandate the Model 3 and its ilk. Because absent that, not enough people want one of the latter to make it worth offering them, freely. Even fewer probably would want one if they had to pay for it. That is, for all of – sans the tax kickbacks and subsidies, at a price that reflects what an EV actually costs to make plus a profit sufficient to justify its manufacture in a free market.

That is why it is necessary for those who run the collective to insist that everyone “needs” an EV and to  subsidize EVs – in addition to mandating them. If the mandates and subsidies were withdrawn tomorrow, how long would it be before there were almost no EVs – excepting the handful made for those willing to pay the full price for one?

Meanwhile, needs – real ones – are actively suppressed by the same collectivists who insist on the “need” to force people who don’t want to pay for what they don’t need, which would be obvious if they were free to not pay for it.

What needs?

How about the need for cars that can go almost 700 miles on a tank that can be refueled in about five minutes that cost less than $22,000? Hundreds of thousands of people expressed the need for such cars by willing buying them, when VW was free to offer them. But the government decided people did not need affordable, very long-legged diesel-powered cars and so outregulated (as opposed to outlawed) them. This latter is perhaps the most clever thing government has created – far more so than the oily doctrine of implied consent.

When it wants to thwart a need, it merely imposes a regulation to stymie its fulfillment. Pure genius! It does not say you may not have – or do – “x.” Instead, it says you may, provided “X” complies with “Y” And “Z,” which are either to difficult or too expensive (often both) to comply with.

Voila! The need is eliminated by making it appear no one is interested.

This is why it appears everyone is interested in owning an air bag-equipped car. A car with six of them, at least. Plus all of the other things the  collectivists says you need and make sure you’re going to pay for, too.

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27 Comments
Why
Why
April 7, 2023 4:25 pm

‘people aren’t willing to pay for it’…
Pay what? Who sets the price, and why? Is it set high to exclude certain people, or artificially scarce to keep the price up? Sorry, I don’t buy the premise that ‘the market’ has wisdom. People tend to want the government to compensate for greedy excesses of ‘capitalism.’ To even things out.

ken31
ken31
  Why
April 7, 2023 4:46 pm

Mammonites are never going to admit to that.

Shotgun Trooper
Shotgun Trooper
  Why
April 7, 2023 5:45 pm

There are no excesses of true capitalism. If you offer me enough to make something, I’ll do it and you can buy it. What we have now is corporate bullying through lobbyists who get politicians to make it illegal for me to compete. Don’t confuse the two.

The True Nolan
The True Nolan
  Shotgun Trooper
April 7, 2023 6:44 pm

Yes, what we have now is mercantilism, or corporatism, or (most accurately) fascism.

Free market capitalism was last seen a century ago, navigating westward in a small sailboat, looking for a better home.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  The True Nolan
April 9, 2023 9:57 am

Today, we call it “The Flying Dutchman”…and it’s still looking.

m
m
  Shotgun Trooper
April 8, 2023 3:01 am

And if people offer you enough to do the most evil things, that’s not a fault of capitalism at all?

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  m
April 9, 2023 9:58 am

No. It isn’t.

Don’t smear shit on the wall and then blame the wall for being shitty…idiot.

Reality doesn’t work that way.

m
m
  The Central Scrutinizer
April 9, 2023 1:51 pm

Hey dumbass, then who’s fault is it?
And what does that say about capitalism as a “fix-all”?

The True Nolan
The True Nolan
  Why
April 7, 2023 6:42 pm

I suspect you never read this book:

TampaRed
TampaRed
  The True Nolan
April 7, 2023 8:42 pm

nolan,
absolutely one of the best books ever written,and so simple that even the average tbp’er can understand it —

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 7, 2023 4:45 pm

It takes about 20 years to reprogram a society.

Air bags, ABS, traction control are all “essential” to your average drone now. Somehow we survived fine without them before.

My classic has none of them. Not even PS or PB.

The kids and grandkids of people I know all want to go for a ride. None can, because their parents claim it is unsafe. ( a meticulously maintained classic sports car)

I have never crashed. I don’t know of one of these people that has not crashed. Several with their kids in the car.

Soon, the kids won’t be allowed outside, ever, as the world is dangerous.

The Pussification of the West is about complete. Pity the children who will never know the life they were denied by pussified parents.

ken31
ken31
  Anonymous
April 7, 2023 4:49 pm

I noticed as a child in the ’80s that the news kept trying to get people to be afraid of everything. I am grateful that I got to spend most of my childhood outdoors unsupervised.

boron
boron
  ken31
April 7, 2023 6:07 pm

corollary:
the kids(boys), whose mommies didn’t allow them to climb the monkey bars in the ’40s, aren’t the elderly gentlemen you see hobbling along the street with their walkers today

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 8, 2023 3:02 am

Not necessarily.
Reprogramming towards evil was achieved in 8 years, in Ukraine.

Bauls
Bauls
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 7:54 pm

I want to be able to get a 50-60 car new. Don’t want all the electrical crap, and good luck finding a manual anymore. Got the wife a newish cat, and we couldn’t find one anywhere without a new car special order

flash
flash
April 7, 2023 5:44 pm

Collectivism is not a Marx creation. Collectivism is inherent human nature. Might makes right. Tribe up or die.
Commanches learned this lesson the hard way.

m
m
  flash
April 8, 2023 5:31 am

It’s the Christian way. /s

flash
flash
  m
April 8, 2023 12:50 pm

Yes, it is the Christian way, idiot.

m
m
  flash
April 8, 2023 2:12 pm

To “tribe up”, i.e. forming a group based on whatever criteria and then not letting anybody else in, it totally the Christian way. You just need to believe that hard enough.

(To me it sounds more like the jewish way.)

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  m
April 9, 2023 10:01 am

You’ve rolled way downhill from “idiot” at this point.

Jesus is ALWAYS recruiting. You’re rooting for the opposition.

I bet you’ve got some really fucked up thoughts on the topic of Hell too.

Y’know they accept everyone, right?

m
m
  The Central Scrutinizer
April 9, 2023 12:54 pm

Probably useless to argue to a black hole, but here goes:

No, flash is rooting for the opposition, by instigating tribal clans.
Jesus is recruiting away from flash’s butt-hurt, shooting from the hip “solution.”
And his [Jesus’] goal is one world-wide “tribe”, i.e. no tribes at all.

I know it doesn’t show much, but I’m trying to poke bullshit arguments in the eye, to show ‘maybe you need a bit more humility, bro.’ And with the through and through Western brainwashedness, any less extreme form of statement [by me] would just be completely ignored.

Jesus accepts everyone, exactly. That’s the point.
Therefore declaration of needing a ‘tribe’ to form some kind of walled garden (on Earth!) -just for our own protection-, runs counter to it.

The True Nolan
The True Nolan
April 7, 2023 7:00 pm

Twenty years ago an acquaintance from Boston was telling me why MY tax dollars (I was living in Florida) were being wisely spent on the Big Dig tunnel system near his home. “The project is too big for Boston to finance so we need the (Federal) government to help pay for it. We NEED that tunnel. You don’t know how crowded the highways are here!”

Of course, Boston did not NEED that tunnel. The city was not being abandoned. The people were inconvenienced, but they were not dying in the street due to tunnel deficit. Quite simply, he didn’t like coping with the traffic and wanted more “me time” for himself. But that time was not worth so much that the people of Boston considered it a fair exchange for the cost of the tunnel. On the other hand, if they could force people all over the country to give up some of their income to pay for their new “me time”, they thought it a wise and prudent investment of other people’s money. But they wouldn’t pay for it out of their own pocket.

Final cost of the project, adjusted for inflation? $22 Billion.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  The True Nolan
April 8, 2023 3:06 pm

You can probably thank Teddy Chappaquiddick for that!

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
April 8, 2023 1:59 am

So many forced ‘solutions’ searching for real problems … all mandated by BigBrother in one disguise or another … 

In my estimation, VW is the poster child for our government bending it over the table and shoving it in its nether regions good and hard … repeatedly …

Now my ’22 VW Golf GTI 6-speed stick doesn’t have real gauges, nor real controls — it’s all just a video game console that requires taking my eyes off the road to just change the temperature setting on the heater …

Plus it’s got a monstrosity called IQ.drive with all sorts of sensors — it will even slam on the brakes for you if its’ computer even remotely senses a possible accident … and, from the VW techs I’ve consulted, that system cannot be removed or disabled without bricking the entire car.

My worry, of course, with all of the computerized controls on this car is that it’ll be a prime candidate for government ‘hacking’ to take over my driving privileges in pursuit of some nonsensical agenda or another …

Admittedly, it was my mistake to buy that car — my previous 2 VW Golfs were great cars that handled well, were quick and responsive (this GTI is, too) … and fun to drive with the stick shift and sticky tires …

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anthony Aaron
April 8, 2023 5:07 am

still rolling a ’91 golf diesel here.. simple zero-electronics mechanical fuel injection, 50 miles a gallon. rock solid. close to 400k miles now. will keep that until it literally rusts to pieces.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 8, 2023 3:02 pm

The author forgot to mention the need to not need. For example, “no one needs an AR-15”, “no one needs a 30 round magazine”, or how about no one needs to own their money in the bank, it’s a banks asset when you deposit, or “give it” to the bank.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
April 8, 2023 6:28 pm

Collectivist might be the folks who support the existence of this kind of system, but those who financially BENEFIT from this stand who actively encourage its use on their behalf, are called RENT SEEKERS. Elon is a RENT SEEKER.