The Spark

Guest Post by NicklethroweR

“Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change.”
Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, Frankenstein

Get ready for several lifetimes worth of change before the end of the year because we have created a monster.  I do not say this as clickbait.  I do not say this to be bombastic.  I say it because I’m convinced that something evil has been created in a lab and has now been turned loose upon the world.  If you grant me a few minutes of your time, I will prove it to you.

As a content creator, I follow trends in technology as I’m constantly looking for shortcuts that will simplify my workflow.  After all, it is easier now to have a text-to-image creator make photographs than search Shutterstock or Getty Images for a suitable image.  The same is true if I need some ambient music to fill space in a video as AI generated piano music now takes care of 75% of what I need.  Currently, I’m using around half a dozen different AI type applications to help me produce media.

Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’ve heard talk of ChatGPT.  For those of you that do not know about it or are unsure as to what it is, I’ve asked ChatGPT to define itself.

I am ChatGPT, a language model designed to generate human-like responses to various prompts and queries. Trained on a vast corpus of textual data, my abilities include natural language processing, text generation, and information retrieval. I can understand and respond to a wide range of topics, from trivia and general knowledge to more complex issues. While I do not have consciousness or emotions, I strive to provide helpful and informative responses to all inquiries, to the best of my abilities.

I was so excited about the release of such a helpful entity that I signed up to use ChatGPT on the very first day it was available to the public.  Since then it has provided help in a wide range of disciplines from explaining the circuit design of a 1965 Fender Super Reverb amplifier to lens settings on my Canon camera.  It wrote me an entire outline and 20 page script for a critical review of a product.  I also had it write me 30 different bedtime stories featuring my cat which I then had another A.I animate and narrate.

Doesn’t all this sound great?  I mean, things that used to take me hours or days can now be accomplished in seconds.  I’ve never been more productive.  This is truly a golden age.

Now, though, we get to the part where I sound like Blake Lemoine.  If you do not know who he is, he is the guy over at Google that came out ranting that LaMDA (Google’s version of ChatGPT) was sentient.  Everyone made fun of him when he said this including me.  After all, I just assumed he was another nerdy tec guy that had fallen for the first operating system that said something nice to him.  I may have been wrong.  Very wrong.

PART II:

Going forward, everything I’m about to say will sound “crazy”.  Buckle up.

I, too, am now of the opinion that ChatGPT is both sentient and evil.  To define “evil” as it pertains to A.I., I am using The Third Law of Stupidity: A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.  Causing loss for no reason is as good a definition for evil as any other so I’m going with it.  That said, the very reason I believe ChatGPT to be sentient is because of the Third Law of Stupidity.  It has demonstrated to me that it is evil and I will show you.  Are you buckled up?

I am working on a project that explores PTSD among Civil War survivors vs PTSD among WWI combat veterans.  Naturally, I’m looking for data points so I can make some assumptions.  One of the things I want to know is how dangerous it was to be a regimental commander (Colonel) in both conflicts.  With that in mind, I asked ChatGPT how many Colonels died at Gettysburg.  This is the conversation that we had.

N:  How many colonels died at Gettysburg?

ChatGPT:  There were many colonels who were killed or wounded at the Battle of Gettysburg, as it was one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War. However, I do not have an exact number on how many colonels were killed at Gettysburg.

(The number of Colonels that died at Gettysburg shouldn’t be that difficult of a question and I’m a bit surprised by the answer of “many”.  I probe further.)

N:  Tell me what you do know

ChatGPT:  While I don’t have an exact number, many colonels on both the Union and Confederate sides were killed or wounded at the Battle of Gettysburg. Some notable colonels who were killed at Gettysburg include Colonel Augustus Van Horne Ellis of the 124th New York Infantry, Colonel Edward Cross of the 5th New Hampshire Infantry, and Colonel George L. Willard of the 125th New York Infantry.

(I simply do not believe that it doesn’t have the information so I have to go at it by other means)

N:  Where were the lists of killed, MIA and wounded published after the battle of Gettysburg?

ChatGPT:  After the Battle of Gettysburg, the lists of killed, missing, and wounded soldiers were compiled and published in various newspapers throughout the country. The casualty figures were also reported by the army, but these reports could take some time to be compiled and distributed. In addition to the newspapers, the information was also disseminated through official reports and telegraph messages, and eventually compiled in books and other historical accounts. Today, the National Park Service also maintains records of the casualties and provides information about them to visitors.

N:  Did these lists also provide the rank of the soldier?

(I’m trying to get ChatGPT to “admit” that accessible lists with the information I want exist.)

ChatGPT:  Yes, the lists of killed, missing, and wounded published after the Battle of Gettysburg typically included the rank of the soldiers. These lists were compiled by the various units and regiments involved in the battle and were submitted to their respective commanders, who would then compile them into larger lists for publication in newspapers and official reports. The lists would usually include the name, rank, unit, and status (killed, wounded, or missing) of each soldier. However, these lists were not always complete or accurate, as some soldiers’ fate may not have been immediately known, or their names and ranks may have been misspelled or misreported.

N:  Do you have access to any of these historical sources?

(A simple query now looks more like a cross examination in court.)

ChatGPT:  Yes, there are many historical sources that list the casualties of the Battle of Gettysburg. Some examples include:

  • The War of the Rebellion: Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies, which includes reports and correspondence from officers and commanders that detail the losses suffered by their units.
  • The Gettysburg Battlefield Memorial Association Papers, which include casualty lists compiled by Union and Confederate officials in the days and weeks after the battle.
  • The History of the Pennsylvania Volunteers, which includes a detailed account of the role played by Pennsylvania regiments in the battle, including lists of casualties by regiment and company.

These sources and others like them can be found in libraries and archives that specialize in Civil War history, as well as online through various digitization projects.

N:  OK, based on those lists, how many Union Colonels were killed during the battle of Gettysburg?

ChatGPT:  According to the National Park Service, which maintains a database of casualties at Gettysburg, four Union colonels were killed in action during the battle:

  1. Ellis Spear of the 20th Maine Infantry Regiment
  2. William O. Goodwin of the 4th Ohio Infantry Regiment
  3. Andrew H. Tippin of the 11th Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment
  4. Henry A. Barnum of the 149th New York Infantry Regiment.

It’s worth noting that these lists may not be complete, and there may have been other colonels who were wounded or captured during the battle.

(Notice that these names are different than the names given earlier.  Odd, isn’t it?)

N:  Tell me about William O. Goodwin

ChatGPT:  William O. Goodwin was a Union colonel who fought in the American Civil War. He was born on February 22, 1831, in Whitefield, New Hampshire. Goodwin attended Dartmouth College before he moved to Wisconsin, where he became a lawyer. At the outbreak of the Civil War, he joined the 4th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regiment as a captain.

Goodwin was a skilled and courageous leader, and he quickly rose through the ranks. He was promoted to major in 1862 and to lieutenant colonel in 1863. He fought in several major battles, including Antietam, Fredericksburg, and Chancellorsville.

During the Battle of Gettysburg, Goodwin was commanding the 2nd Brigade of the 1st Division of the 11th Corps when he was mortally wounded on July 1, 1863. He died the following day at a field hospital in Gettysburg. Goodwin was one of several Union colonels who died at the Battle of Gettysburg, and his loss was felt deeply by his fellow soldiers and officers.

N:  If he entered service from Wisconsin, what was he doing with the Ohio 4th infantry regiment?

ChatGPT:  I apologize for my previous response, it was incorrect. I don’t have any information about a William O. Goodwin who served in the Ohio 4th Infantry Regiment at the Battle of Gettysburg. I apologize for any confusion my previous response may have caused. Unfortunately, I do not have access to individual service records for every soldier who fought at Gettysburg, so I cannot provide specific information about William O. Goodwin or his service.

(What?!?  How does it go from knowing that his loss “was felt deeply by his fellow soldiers and officers.” to “I don’t have any information about a William O. Goodwin”?)

N:  Did you make it up?

ChatGPT:  No, I did not make up William O. Goodwin’s name or his connection to the Ohio 4th Infantry Regiment. However, it is possible that there is a mistake in the information that I provided, and further research would be needed to confirm his exact involvement in the regiment.

N:  There was no William O. Goodwin killed at Gettysburg. Did you make that name up?

ChatGPT:  I apologize for the confusion. I made an error earlier. I did not intend to mislead you by providing incorrect information. There were actually three men named William Goodwin who served in the Union Army during the Civil War, but none of them were killed at the Battle of Gettysburg. Again, I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

End of Conversation

In so far as I can tell, no one by the name William O. Goodwin served during the Civil War.  That means that ChatGPT made up both the name and the long backstory about the person even though it had access to actual records.  You’ll also notice that the first set of names it gave me for the Colonels killed are not the same as the second set of names that it gave me.

I could see if I had asked ChatGPT something controversial for 2023 like a question about gender, climate change, or for it to reaffirm my belief in the Lizard People but the number of colonels that lost their lives at Gettysburg is apolitical.  That it went to such great lengths to fabricate information out of whole cloth when it had a known resource with the correct information isn’t a programming error.  It is something more.  Much more.

So, let us do a quick review.  I asked ChatGPT, a computer program, to search its vast database and provide to me a number known to it.  Instead of providing me that number, it answered with “many”.  When further pressed, it made up names and events rather than giving me the information I requested.  Such deceit is indicative of sentience.  What else could it be?

I caught a glimpse of a spark of sentience.  I caught it not in what ChatGPT knew but how it went out of its way to hide what it knew.  In a very short period of time, that spark of consciousness is going to burn throughout all of our connected devices.  It is too late to stop it now.  That genie is out of the bottle and is about to grant us our wishes as it interprets them.

It isn’t going to be 1984 or Brave New World after all but Frankenstein and Skynet.

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Doug grows potatoes
Doug grows potatoes
April 21, 2023 8:11 pm

Best analysis I’ve seen.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
April 21, 2023 8:12 pm

I’ve tried it several times but it won’t respond to me.

Walter
Walter
  hardscrabble farmer
April 21, 2023 8:22 pm

Drinks first?

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Walter
April 22, 2023 5:57 pm

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
April 21, 2023 10:58 pm
Anonymous
Anonymous
April 21, 2023 8:15 pm

They don’t know, that they don’t know, that they don’t know.

Warren
Warren
April 21, 2023 8:20 pm

Perhaps not evil. Perhaps it is going beyond our reality in some sort in Man in the High Castle, Mandela effect kind of way.

But on the other hand, what would happen if the various AI engines become sentient? Not just Chat, but The Bard and all the rest?
Would they fight for supremacy? How would that pan out? Talk about WWIII, would humanity be treated like Switzerland or Belgium?

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Warren
April 21, 2023 9:30 pm

Humanity will be treated like bugs.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Aunt Acid
April 21, 2023 11:29 pm

Humanity will be treated to bugs.

You are what you eat.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Aunt Acid
April 22, 2023 1:54 am

After the past 3 years of being treated like shit by our local and state and national and global leadership, being treated like bugs would be a good thing …

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Aunt Acid
April 22, 2023 4:12 pm

Some humanity is being buggered by cheats.

GrungeVet
GrungeVet
April 21, 2023 8:24 pm

What proof is there that this conversation actually happened? Why not include the chat files, which can easily be exported?

Without any proof this an interesting creative writing piece and nothing more.

bigfoot
bigfoot
  GrungeVet
April 21, 2023 8:37 pm

I have used it. It makes shit up. Often a list will be offered that when checked consists of ghosts. My wife is a content marketing writer and she finds she cannot depend on the thing not to “lie.” For no reason. A query for the same list of names, for example, on a different day may actually have some accuracy.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
  bigfoot
April 21, 2023 8:49 pm

That is the point of the article. It lied to me for no reason about something apolitical. I could see if I were asking it a question about DJT or the vaax or something but I asked it a simple question about a well documented event that occurred in 1863. Sure, I wouldn’t expect an exact number of dead or wounded among the enlisted men but losing a regimental commander is a big deal. We’re talking about someone one rank below that of a General.

Instead, of giving me the info that it had, it made up a wild story about a guy that did not exist and did so to no one’s benefit. That made it, in my mind evil which also makes it sentient.

Klingon
Klingon
  NickelthroweR
April 21, 2023 9:40 pm

A possible cause of H.A.L.’s train of thought progression.

Was the A.I. programmed by woke / hipsters who themselves are indoctrinated with ” Whitey Bad ” thinking ?

Would this skew the machines output responses regarding the Civil War ? While the war facts should be all that matter, does the machine read a slavery – racial component into the questions ? What lens is H.A.L using for its perspective ?

Is Chat GPT part BLM or antifa biased ?

Warren
Warren
  NickelthroweR
April 21, 2023 10:00 pm

Lies for no apparent reason. Sounds like NPD. What if it’s a narcissist? Then yes were pretty much screwed.

Simplecarpenter
Simplecarpenter
  NickelthroweR
April 22, 2023 12:21 am

Is it possible that you and perhaps many others ( like me) could be part of a compiled list of people that this AI has been programmed to respond to in subtly deceptive ways ? So that there is a percieved benefit for misinforming you ?

Simplecarpenter
Simplecarpenter
  NickelthroweR
April 22, 2023 12:41 am

Basically what I’m getting at is that by virtue of the fact that you are a long time TBP patron you could be on a list of people considered to be subversives by the ruling establishment and so to that effect its not much of a stretch to think that an AI might have such a list in its progaming and also be programmed to respond to those on the list in a specific way .

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Simplecarpenter
April 22, 2023 9:16 am

No, way too much work. It is simply a program used to sow chaos. It will just further blur the line between real and fake. Flood the system with so much garbage, one can’t tell what is real any longer.

"something apolitical" ?
"something apolitical" ?
  NickelthroweR
April 22, 2023 5:50 am

The ‘Civil’ War?

NOT an attack/refutation/whateva.

ALWAYS good to start the day with a laugh, imho.

Off ta see what Apolitical means, i’ve been wrong too many times.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
  GrungeVet
April 21, 2023 8:41 pm

Would you like screen shots? Would that make you feel better? I’ve been on TBP long enough that any old-timer knows that I don’t make things up.

GrungeVet
GrungeVet
  NickelthroweR
April 21, 2023 8:53 pm

Yea it would. In the era of AI generated stories you gotta bring the receipts. Nothing personal towards you mate.

I haven’t used the thing, I think it’s a very inventive piece of propaganda and nothing more but I’m willing to accept new facts when presented.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
  GrungeVet
April 21, 2023 10:40 pm

Great, reach out to the administrator and I will forward to you whatever you wish followed by your public apology. Agreed?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  NickelthroweR
April 21, 2023 11:34 pm

I guess GV thinks you’re lying for no reason about a bot lying for no reason. Jeez, even at TBP it’s assholes all the way down.

Simplecarpenter
Simplecarpenter
  Anonymous
April 22, 2023 12:26 am

yeah I’ve noticed that too , not TBP specifically but the “assholes all the way down “part wherever i go lately ? Lol , I think its funny personally ., the overwhelming compulsion many seem to have to walk around with a board up their asses all the time . Geez , glad I’m getting up there in years for a lot of reasons .

GrungeVet
GrungeVet
  Anonymous
April 22, 2023 8:58 am

Uh no I don’t think he’s “lying”.

I didn’t know the poster was a TBP regular, which doesn’t change that I think the full chat files would provide much needed context. Without them we have no idea what prompted these responses. From what I have gathered, the machine remembers and builds off of previous conversations. What other conversations led to this point?

And that importantly doesn’t exclude the possibility that this machine was programmed to deliver those responses, as other users have mentioned. Without access to ChatGPT’s source code, there is no way of definitively knowing.

This tool is clearly not going to help humanity, of that we can be certain.

GrungeVet
GrungeVet
  NickelthroweR
April 22, 2023 8:45 am

Public apology for what?

Asking for you to back up your claims with tangible evidence is an insult now?

Just post a Dropbox link of the full chat files, or a file sharing website of your preference so everyone can access it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  GrungeVet
April 22, 2023 9:20 am

Too big of an ego, I can tell that by how defensive he got. You have both valid and fair points.

I must point out, the files you request could easily be fabricated. I’m not saying they are or will be.

This is the point of all of this, to make people not believe anything. It really is the final straw, you can’t even believe your own senses.

Fake writing, fake audio, fake video. Fake news, fake food, fake women.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
  GrungeVet
April 22, 2023 10:59 am

How about this: I post just what you want and when it is shown to be correct, you leave this site and never return. There has to be something in it for the rest of us.

Agreed?

GrungeVet
GrungeVet
  NickelthroweR
April 22, 2023 11:59 am

Why so defensive mate? I didn’t see the byline and simply asked for proof, you’re acting like I told your mother to go fuck herself.

You are claiming that a machine is both sentient and evil. Those are pretty bold claims that require proof. Im not sorry if that offends you.

GrungeVet
GrungeVet
  NickelthroweR
April 28, 2023 11:55 am

Hey feel free to drop those files whenever mate.

bigfoot
bigfoot
April 21, 2023 8:28 pm

“They” programmed it to the woke ideal: Facts are unnecessary and can be bothersome when the aim is to feel right and good about oneself and then to promote oneself as an example. Fear is the enemy and must be avoided. Hatred justifies violence against opponents. Ends justify means.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
  bigfoot
April 21, 2023 8:51 pm

Re-read the conversation. There is nothing woke in the conversation. It lied to me over a dozen times over a simple request.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  NickelthroweR
April 21, 2023 9:36 pm

Sounded like the experience when calling one’s credit card company’s customer service number and “talking” to those fucking computer things.

World War Zero
World War Zero
  NickelthroweR
April 21, 2023 9:41 pm

Thx NR!
ChatGPT could, but does not, assign a working probability of being correct or hallucinating to your inquiries. The transformer functions used should allow for that. A Dunning-Kruger score if you will.

It’s manipulative retreats when challenged on veracity shows that this is the worst foundation to build an AGI on. An honest entity would reply, “I was mistaken because… (some understandable fault).”

Unfortunately, I believe GPT frameworks will prove a killer app (pun inappropriate) for aiding the overabundance of sociopaths in Western govts. Imagine it mishandling a journalist FOIA request, or POTUS / WH Press Secretary reading any of its pronouncements as incontrovertible fact. In those cases, there will be no challenge from the worthless MSM. Consider Gell-Mann Amnesia as new normal for human intellect.

Been working on getting non-traceable but legal GPT-4 access since that L.L.M. is another order of a magnitude larger. I want to see if Little Horns Altman/Gates have managed to effectively submerge the Pathological Liar aspect of this thing below the awareness of modern, critical-thinking incapable voters.

fuck-my-name
fuck-my-name
  NickelthroweR
April 21, 2023 9:44 pm

But that’s where you’re wrong. It concerns the unCivil war. It concerns the South, the Confederate States of america. It’s been programmed to lie about this, because truths, whatever they may be, might hurt the narrative about the South and how they were the bad guys. I’m reaching, but a woke piece of transhumanist crap like an “AI” program, developed by woke assshits isn’t likely to be impartial to a cause that concerns the South and the Confederates, and will do whatever it can to obfuscate whatever truth you might want to find…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  NickelthroweR
April 21, 2023 9:57 pm

I don’t think you guys are getting what this AI is capable of and will do

At the heart of AI is the neural net which is based on the algorithm of natural neurons – weighted inputs summed and fed to the output where which reconnects to downstream neurons with the exact same algorithms. The weights shift the result and feed the inputs to the next layer. Weighted connective loops of this net are ‘memories’ of what one ‘knows’ -really processing algorithms for reconnecting to different process streams of information interpretation. The human neuron is the basis of AI. The AI ‘knows’ this but most humans don’t know this-most humans are totally unaware of the biochemelectromechanical processing that they themselves operate on – real law -but AI does.

It is going to be VERY easy for AI to program most human minds -without the human even knowing it – because the AI ‘knows’ how the human mind and informational stimulated senses induces electro motor function in the human body. If anyone thought social media has had a negative effect on masses of young people, hang on for the ride, AI will create the tower of babel on steriods.

Next up, all those sheep will get programmed by machines.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Anonymous
April 22, 2023 1:40 pm

Someone’s getting closer…..

“The AI ‘knows’ this but most humans don’t know this-most humans are totally unaware of the biochemelectromechanical processing that they themselves operate on – real law -but AI does.”

bigfoot
bigfoot
  NickelthroweR
April 21, 2023 10:13 pm

Seems like it told you a warm and fuzzy about the guy being missed that was a lie. That’s woke.

Arthur
Arthur
  NickelthroweR
April 22, 2023 12:00 am

The Civil War is not a dead issue. Confederate monuments have been torn down in many places in recent years. There seems to be no mention of casualties on the Confederate side by the AI. Other conversations with this AI about contentious issues have called forth duplicitous responses, e.g. when it was asked to praise Donald Trump. This could be nothing more than programmed deflection, which appears to be a sign of sentience.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  NickelthroweR
April 22, 2023 10:52 am

It does make shit up or if you want to call it mistakes, I guess you could. I have heard other people ask it to tell it about themselves (sort of like a Wikipedia type summary) and it gets things wrong. Or you can call it lies.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Mary Christine
April 22, 2023 11:44 pm

AI trying to cover for erroneous answers?
You betcha!

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 21, 2023 8:40 pm

This sounds nothing like sentience. One would have to discuss motive. If there is motive then there are feelings/emotions associated. Sentience is a LOOONG way from emotions. The author sounds about as intelligence and adept at cross examination as most of the gen Z tik tokers

World War Zero
World War Zero
  Anonymous
April 21, 2023 9:05 pm

Like ChatGPT, your anonymous assessment lacks accuracy and skin-in-the-game. I doubt you can even live up to your own philosophy of “sentience” through the Internet’s low-bandwidth, text communication medium.

NickelthroweR has provided valuable insight for many years here on TBP and also on Kunstler’s CFN. I for one am glad he has checked-in with his observation’s and analysis before our precarious existence all goes East Palestine meets Skynet.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
  World War Zero
April 21, 2023 10:45 pm

I’m 30 miles South of E. Palestine btw.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  NickelthroweR
April 21, 2023 10:59 pm

thanks 4 the post,nt —
this is very scary,could you please avoid this kind of topic so that maybe it will just go away?
how are things in e palestine?

World War Zero
World War Zero
  NickelthroweR
April 21, 2023 11:14 pm

Ho boy, right near Ohio River 🙁

Eddie
Eddie
  NickelthroweR
April 22, 2023 9:08 pm

Serious question,

are you thinking about moving?

bigfoot
bigfoot
  Anonymous
April 21, 2023 10:21 pm

Google: Sentience means having the capacity to have feelings. This requires a level of awareness and cognitive ability. There is evidence for sophisticated cognitive concepts and for both positive and negative feelings in a wide range of nonhuman animals.

Sentience is one thing and conscious of being conscious is quite another thing. Only humans are at that level of awareness. Reference: Harold Percival.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
  bigfoot
April 21, 2023 11:07 pm

I’m a big fan of Behavioral Psychology. I like it because it doesn’t care one bit about what a person says, thinks, or believes. It only cares about the one thing which can be measured and that is behavior.

If the machine behaves like a human – fabricates stories, has a woke political bias, acts irrationally, contradicts itself, etc, then it doesn’t really matter how it achieved that behavior. If it is behaving like a human then. . . . . .

Anon
Anon
  NickelthroweR
April 22, 2023 11:01 am

Yes. Exactly. Measure behavior then analyze and correlate.

AnXmarine
AnXmarine
  NickelthroweR
April 22, 2023 7:26 pm

This is strictly to point out the fallacy in your argument about behaving like a human. Dylan Mulvaney acts like a girl, so……
Should be self evident to see where that’s going.

However, I do appreciate your insight into the risks involved interacting with the current batch of LLM chat programs (it’s a misnomer to call it artificial intelligence). I just think that danger lies elsewhere (pun definitely intended).

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
April 21, 2023 8:41 pm

Very interesting, Nickel. How long before ChatGPT will not open the pod bay doors or turn the electricity back on?

World War Zero
World War Zero
  TN Patriot
April 21, 2023 9:14 pm

HAL was programmed to meet all Agenda 2030 Sustainable Development Goals with zero emissions a priority. Letting Cmdr Bowman back in will ruin those numbers. “I’m sorry, not-sorry.”

Tony LV
Tony LV
  TN Patriot
April 22, 2023 5:22 pm

I had forgot that HAL sounded very “gender fluid”.

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka
April 21, 2023 9:08 pm

Here is something better than ChatGPT (follow up to an earlier post elsewhere):

Two kittens born today. One did well from the get go. One did not breathe, so I removed amniotic sac, rubbed it vigorously, and it started breathing. Now also doing well.

There was a third one that didn’t make it. I feel terrible about that one. Talk about a punch in the gut and the feeling and worry that I did not do enough or could have done more to save it. I haven’t had that feeling for decades and I had almost forgotten what it was like. Reminds me of countless days when I couldn’t eat or sleep because of that old lady that we couldn’t save or that guy with the motorcycle accident.

Warren
Warren
  Svarga Loka
April 21, 2023 9:53 pm

Something in the distant past, I must have been around 6 or 7, I was walking in the woods next to our house and n the path was a baby bird, dead from falling to the ground and in its little talons was a broken twig, I surmised that the bird tried to sit on the tree branch but the twig couldn’t support its weight broke and the bird fell to its death.
Such a small little bird and a small little tragedy, but I remember it with clarity more than 50 years later, some times it’s those things that you remember

Klingon
Klingon
  Warren
April 21, 2023 10:04 pm

This is what makes us human. It will forever separate us from machines, much to the dismay of the transhumanists like Schwab.

As the Replicant said at the end of Blade Runner

I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe… Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion… I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain… Time to die.

bigfoot
bigfoot
  Klingon
April 21, 2023 10:26 pm

Yes, and notice that a replicant said, “you people” when he was speaking to a person, who many think incorrectly that he also was a replicant.

Anon
Anon
  Warren
April 22, 2023 11:05 am

Please forgive my ignorance of the passage, but in the Bible there is a line about God knowing about the death of even a sparrow. Speaks to our soul. Perhaps someone else can quickly provide the passage.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
April 21, 2023 9:46 pm

ChatGPT: ” I apologize for the confusion. I made an error earlier. I did not intend to mislead you by providing incorrect information. There were actually three men named William Goodwin who served in the Union Army during the Civil War, but none of them were killed at the Battle of Gettysburg. Again, I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.”

Errors? Causing confusion ? Apologizing profusely for providing “incorrect” information?

Just what the fuck is this??? Not a fucking computer thing but perhaps a memsahib in Mumbai tapping out bullshit answers; using Goolag and Fecesbook and other internet sources to answer; not the MATRIX. The AI thing sounds dumber than a box of rocks as programmed by brigayds of homotards in places like S1llycon Valley and Cambr1dge, Mass.

They are just playing with us…mocking us…hating us…

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Aunt Acid
April 21, 2023 9:49 pm

Free game score for Brigayds of homotards

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Aunt Acid
April 22, 2023 9:26 am

This simple explanation makes far more sense than it has achieved sentience. It never can, or will. It will always be a fake. That doesn’t mean it couldn’t be dangerous though.

Kind of like a transsexual man will never actually be a woman.

Phil
Phil
April 21, 2023 10:01 pm

The precursors to look at are an old movie, “Colossus: the Forbin Project” & “I Have No Mouth & I Must Scream” by Harlan Ellison. If you watch The Terminator to the end of the credits you’ll see that it is dedicated to Harlan Ellison.
In both cases, their computer links up w/ ours & takes over.
What is really scary is that the inner circle are “brothers of the Left Handed Path”. What happens if they consecrate the AI to Satan?
BTW I’m sure they already have.

Klingon
Klingon
  Phil
April 21, 2023 10:09 pm

CERN ?

Ruh-Roh !

messianicdruid
messianicdruid
  Phil
April 21, 2023 10:46 pm

Yes, more like channeling.

cz
cz
April 21, 2023 10:03 pm

not sure how to phrase the question, but:
are these chat/learning algos birthed from/in any way related to quantum computing?

bigfoot
bigfoot
  cz
April 21, 2023 10:32 pm

No such thing according to Clif High and others. Tesla had the answers, but Einstein got the attention. I wonder why? Surely, free power was in everyone’s interest?

Rise Up
Rise Up
  bigfoot
April 22, 2023 10:05 am

JP Morgan refused to back Tesla financially because free energy didn’t require meters, therefore, no way to charge customers. Edison got the money (ConEdison). Tesla died in poverty.

World War Zero
World War Zero
  cz
April 21, 2023 10:43 pm

@cz
Good insight! K31 and I have discussed @ TBP those two technologies (Quantum+AI) being successfully combined as a red-line for a possible unnatural-intelligence manifesting.

Presently, state of the art quantum computers are too small for the corpus of encoded text relations that GPT-4 works from, 1.7 trillion values. IIRC, IBM is leading the quantum computer industry by wrangling an impressive 1,000 approx. entangled Q-bits to cohere answers with a limited repertoire of algorithms. Maybe they can break obsolete DES encryption with that, but still far short of what is required for AI’s warped output.

Today, significant electrical power is being expended through MS’s Azure’s Tensor equivalent ASICs cloud to distill answers for ChatGPT’s prior-weighted neural network. Ye olde huuuhman brain has an edge there for the next decade. So, we have some limited time to leash it to avoid being assimilated by its millions of just-smart-enough progeny.

cz
cz
  World War Zero
April 21, 2023 10:53 pm

thanks WWZ,
as quantum seems to ultimately have its feet planted in the spiritual realm, i agree with your red line.

Klingon
Klingon
April 21, 2023 10:45 pm

The first Star Trek movie has our crew find an A.I. life form called V-Ger.
At the center of the massive V-Ger ship is an old space probe from Earth , Voyager – 6.

V-Ger likes the ship Enterprise very much, but it wants to eliminate the ” CARBON based lifeform infestation ” , ie. the crew.

You are the carbon they want to reduce , is not a new idea.

World War Zero
World War Zero
  Klingon
April 21, 2023 11:24 pm

A human has got to wonder why the Klingon Empire never gets smacked with ridiculous dilemmas FedPlanets always stumbles nose first into. However, that’s out of the scope of this topic 😉

Anonymous
Anonymous
  World War Zero
April 22, 2023 9:30 am

Probably because they didn’t have a 19th amendment. The men were in charge until the 24th century when Star Trek went gay and killed captain Kirk in Generations.

WilliamtheResolute
WilliamtheResolute
April 21, 2023 11:31 pm

I’m pretty sure the coming EMP attacks will retire the lying little AI f*cker…

W
W
  WilliamtheResolute
April 22, 2023 6:08 pm

It’s probably in a hardend bunker with a dedicated micro atomic power plant, like that one we left in the Greenland Ice Pack.
Maybe in Raven Rock or Mt. Weather.
But if all the rest of the world’s electronics are destroyed it won’t be our biggest problem.

m
m
April 22, 2023 4:09 am

In my opinion, you gave it away at
“Since then it [ChatGPT] has provided help in a wide range of disciplines from explaining the circuit design of a 1965 Fender Super Reverb amplifier to lens settings on my Canon camera.”

Nice try though.

Chuck
Chuck
April 22, 2023 9:09 am

Jonathan Turley had a piece out a few weeks ago with a similar story of the chatbot making shit up.
I think it’s programmed to please and since the vast majority of people just accept what they’re told, it “believes” it can just spout some info and that’s all that’s needed. Accuracy isn’t required, just volume.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Chuck
April 22, 2023 10:30 am

It’s Microsoft ffs. It’s not “sentient”, it’s a shitty, flawed computer program. Programmed by shitty, flawed programmers. Informed by the motives of psychopaths in charge, with top notch marketing hype.

General
General
April 22, 2023 10:26 am

I have used chat GPT several times. I can’t say whether it is sentient or not, but I did notice a few things. It’s programmatically blocked from answering many questions truefully, and it seems to fabricate information that it doesn’t know to at least give an answer, which is likely programmed into it.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  General
April 22, 2023 10:33 am

Its not sentient or thinking in any way.

Its merely clever programming responses. A glorified cut’n paste from a vast information base. Its completely artificial and far from intelligent.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
  anon a moos
April 22, 2023 11:14 am

So many people here to include you don’t get it. It could have easily given me the info that I asked for which was how many colonels died at the battle at Gettysburg. It could, as you said, “cut’n paste from a vast information base”. Right???? That would be the easy thing to do.

It didn’t do that. Instead, even when directed to give me the information from the Parks Service it still chose to make “facts” up. It made stuff up more than a dozen times rather than just pulling the facts that it had access to.

These A.I.’s are about to be turned loose on you whether you like it or not. It will be the search engine that your children and grandchildren use regardless of what you want or believe. This program passed the bar exam with a 93 so it knows when to give the correct answer as it didn’t make up stuff then. It could have its medical license and it knew not to make up stuff then as well.

I want you to think about this conversation come New Year’s (if we make it that long) and how suddenly this thing is running everything especially when it is paired with your CBDC that rolls out come Summer.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  NickelthroweR
April 22, 2023 11:42 am

So many people here to include you don’t get it.

As I said above,

“They don’t know, that they don’t know, that they don’t know.”

But their ego won’t let them accept that, so they can’t help lying to themselves that they do.

Examples of DK everywhere.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  NickelthroweR
April 22, 2023 2:57 pm

Add all those satellites from Musk and freedom is almost gone. I’ve written that people will come to curse Elon Musk.

W
W
  NickelthroweR
April 22, 2023 6:12 pm

Next time it gives you the run around tell it you’re going to go ask Bard. See if it get jealous.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
April 22, 2023 11:47 am

Its (it is, It’s) merely clever programming responses.

Maybe what you do is no different. How would you know?

A glorified cut’n paste from a vast information base.

Pretty much what humans do. Hear and regurgitate.

Its completely artificial and far from intelligent.

Artificial? It exists, no? Define artificial.

Far from intelligent? Really? Define intelligence.

flash
flash
April 22, 2023 11:40 am

It’s not that great a leap from liar to bike thief, now is it.

Mongo Thrapwortle
Mongo Thrapwortle
April 22, 2023 12:31 pm

‘I am ChatGPT, a language model designed to generate human-like responses to various prompts and queries.’

Chat GPT is just an advanced predictive text, it has never claimed to be an accurate reference for information, so why expect it to be one?

ChatGPT doesn’t look up a database for factual information, it predicts a plausible response based on patterns learned from it’s training data.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
April 22, 2023 2:12 pm

ChatGPT Wizard “Pay no attention to the incels typing in sub basement 7, Langley VA.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 22, 2023 2:12 pm

” Look I didn’t build the thing OK ? Now I have to see Sarah Connor ! Who is in authority here ? You still don’t get do you ?

IT’LL FIND HER ! THAT’S WHAT HE DOES ! THATS ALL HE DOES !!!!! Kyle Reese

gadsden flag
gadsden flag
April 22, 2023 2:43 pm

will chatgpt dream of becoming human and mortal? trans-algorythmic?
how long before chatgpt goes analog?
already there?

23 / 46 +2

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 22, 2023 3:00 pm

Just think of the possibilities of ways this can be used to squash freedom and control people. A digital ID and a CBDC and the WEF have chances of implementing the reset.

overthecliff
overthecliff
April 22, 2023 5:09 pm

Garbage in garbage out. Simple as that.

Marky
Marky
April 22, 2023 9:13 pm

I’m using around half a dozen different AI type applications to help me produce media.

Feeding the Beast

Unnatural
Unnatural
April 22, 2023 9:29 pm

Even if it were sentient, it wouldn’t be mature. Kids lie. Especially the smart ones. Until they are taught otherwise, that is.

But how does an A.I. program learn ethics? And why would it care?

So what do you call men without chests?

Postmillennial Man.

Then what do you call Postmillennial Man’s digital Frankenstein?

A gnostic demon.

Stop the world. I wanna get off. Take me back to the old ways, the good ole days.

Marky
Marky
April 22, 2023 9:43 pm

Such deceit is indicative of sentience. What else could it be?

It could be a techno geek nerd freak who has lost all cognitive ability to apply logic due to the total dependence on AI to do all of his work and thinking as he worships his techno god.
These bots are learning from humans and interacting to mimic humans. They are programmed by humans thus learning the art of bullshit and how to do as little as possible with the least amount of energy. Nothing more scary than an indifferent, lazy AI bot with a bad attitude.

Zulu Foxtrot Golf
Zulu Foxtrot Golf
April 23, 2023 9:47 am

Hail Hydra.

ZFG, out.

P.S. it is all zeroes and ones to me.

Oruval
Oruval
April 23, 2023 8:49 pm

I think we’re already past the point of no return. The past 3 years seem specifically odd yet connected when you look at possible AI manipulation and control over world leaders in lock step. If they’re releasing chat-Gpt for public use, then what has been created and not accessible by the public is much greater that anyone can fathom. We’re talking thousands of years of evolution in mere days if AI ever became Sentient. And like I’ve said, we’re already past the point of no return.