Project: Assess Firearm & Ammo Needs Without Delay

Guest post by Paul T. Martin

Before you get all worked up – I am not pressing the panic button.  I don’t even own a panic button.

But we could be at the early stage of a potential run on guns and ammo.  If you have specific firearms or ammunition needs, I urge you to remedy those soon.

Please note I am not trading on insider information.  I don’t have access to any.  I am basing this recommendation upon past instances where we saw spikes in demand when violent events filled our news feed.

I don’t spend much time on firearms on this blog, because there are a number of people who cover that subject much better than I do.  What most of them (and their loyal readers) spend little time on, however, is the logistics piece of it.

(N.B.: Much of what follows appeared in a blog post from February 2022 and another one from March 2023.  I have added a few updates.)

In March, NBC News ran this piece entitled “Ukraine is running low on ammo. Europe faces pressure to produce more.”  You need to spend the five minutes it takes to read this entire article.  It is well worth your time.  It does a really good job laying out the situation in Ukraine and the efforts of the EU to ramp up ammunition production. Bloomberg has covered this situation as well.

Some eighteen months ago, I advised readers to expect rising ammo prices.  The conflict in Ukraine shows no signs of abating anytime soon, and as there are now efforts to ramp up production to supply the Ukrainian forces, I would not be surprised if we saw increased prices in the future.  The massive conflict in the Middle East will only add to these demand pressures.

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Put another way, some of you need to figure out what you actually have in inventory, so you can make better purchasing decisions in the future.  If there is in fact a coming surge in demand for self defense items, you’ll want to get in front of it to ensure you’ve topped off.

Please note: I am not saying “go out and buy a bunch of guns and ammo.”  I am urging you to consider making some thoughtful purchasing decisions in light of the potential surge in demand.

I know this doesn’t sound exciting.  But much of preparedness is being a good steward, and a part of good stewardship is knowing what you actually have.  That’s why I am fond of saying two of your most important preparedness tools are a clipboard and calculator.

I’ve known people who have no idea how many guns they own or how much ammo they have.  I’ve never had so many guns I didn’t know what I owned, but I do buy ammunition from time to time when I find a good deal, or when it’s getting hard to find.  Or when I think I need to have some on hand for teaching students who may not be able to find it on their own.  This can result in having more ammunition in a given caliber than you realistically need.

Many purchase guns and ammo under the guise of prepping, but I would submit these people really aren’t prepared; they are simply using preparedness as justification to purchase something they already wanted.  This discussion really isn’t for those who do that; this is for people who want to improve their overall preparedness and make better spending decisions.

I’m going to defer to others in terms of what guns should prepared citizens own (my list is much different than what you will find in the blogosphere on the topic, and I’m not convinced one list of recommendations is a good fit for every citizen and every situation). I do make some basic recommendations in the Ready Citizen Manual for those who haven’t made any meaningful firearm purchases to improve readiness, but even then I urge readers to seek out professional help from reputable firearms trainers who have at least a basic understanding of preparedness.  Karl Rehn at KR Training and Greg Ellifritz at Active Response Training have written on this subject, as have others.

And so rather than wade into the arguments of what guns to have and what calibers to own for your situation, I’m going to share some guidelines centering around the logistics of guns and ammunition.  These include:

  • Inventory what you already have.  I like to store ammo by caliber, so I can quickly surmise how much I have for each gun I own.
  • Be realistic in your ammo needs.  Some of you shoot a lot.  Some of you own guns you’ve not fired 50 rounds.  Don’t go stock up on a bunch of ammo for a gun you don’t regularly shoot or won’t realistically need during a true ammo shortage.  If it’s just you and your spouse, you’re likely not going to need two dozen guns, in odd or unusual calibers, to keep you safe.
  • Use AmmoSeek.com to help you find the best deals.  I use this website when I am purchasing ammo – it will give you a sense for how much ammo is selling for.  It’s a great tool.  Use it and buy in bulk.
  • If you’re stocking up on 7.62×39, the prices – while higher than previous years – indicate it’s still available.  AmmoSeek currently shows these rounds going for as little as 37 cents each as of this post.  NATO 5.56 is roughly the same price – despite the fact it was several cents cheaper in March.  (If you took my advice back then, you’d be ahead of the game.)  If you’re an AK/SKS fan, given world events, you may want to consider stocking up 7.62 even if you have a fair amount at the moment.  Despite a ban on the import of Russian ammunition effective September 2021, it’s still getting into the country via loophole.  How long that loophole will last remains to be seen.
  • Fewer guns with more ammo in common calibers trumps more guns with fewer rounds of several calibers.
  • Guns that have parts interchangeable with parts from other manufacturers are a plus.  AR platforms are a prime example of this.  Glocks are great at using parts interchangeably with other Glocks.
  • Spare parts and cleaning supplies are never a bad investment.
  • Magazines are redneck bitcoin.  Have them in various capacities for guns you own.  Don’t neglect owning some smaller capacity magazines in the event the standard capacity ones become prohibited.  That goes for both handguns and long guns.
  • Speaking of prohibited items, over the last couple of years I’ve procured a couple of revolvers, a pump action shotgun and a lever action gun.  You may wish to have firearm options other than semi-autos in the event they become prohibited.
  • Ammo for trade or donation in times of need isn’t a bad thing to keep on hand, even if its in calibers for which you don’t own guns.  I don’t know that I would make a major investment in ammo for this purpose, especially if I don’t own a gun that can run that ammo.  But having 100 rounds of 380 ACP, even if you don’t own a 380, could be a life saver and relationship builder during an extended crisis.
  • A word on loaning out guns: there can be significant legal and safety issues involved when loaning a firearm to someone.  Before you go out loaning guns to your neighbors to deal with whatever crisis has befallen your community, make sure you’ve thought this through.  Would I loan a gun to someone?  To the right person who has had some training and has a good attitude about safety and legal compliance, I wouldn’t have a problem doing so.  You need to think about their ability to not only run the gun safely, but also their ability to store it safely to prevent unauthorized access or theft.
  • How much ammo to have on hand for guns you’ll be relying upon for self defense: as you might imagine, there’s been much written about this subject as well.  When I talk to citizens who take preparedness seriously, I quickly surmise most of them have plenty of guns and ammo.  But if you’re looking for guidance on recommended ammo volume to keep stocked away, this piece makes some salient recommendations.  I might suggest less for budget-conscious citizens.  For me, an absolute minimum would be 500 rounds for every gun and person realistically tasked with managing a firearm for home defense, in the correct caliber for the gun(s) you expect them to run. Again, this is not a hard and fast rule.  You do you.  And understand the money you could spend on buying thousands of additional rounds for the thousands of rounds you already have may better be purposed for extra food, water purification, OTC and prescription medications or alternative energy solutions.
  • Eye and ear protection: I had some FSA money to burn a couple of years ago, and so I ordered two pair of ANSI rated safety glasses with prescription lenses.  I keep one pair with my evening layout since I don’t sleep in my contact lenses.  Have some quality eye and ear protection as part of your supplies – it doesn’t have to be expensive stuff.  3M makes very inexpensive ANSI rated eye protection, and I find these are sufficient for back up hearing protection.
  • Self Defense Liability Products: I’ve written what I think is the most comprehensive analysis on the subject of self defense liability insurance/legal service programs out there.  I say that because I only wrote it since I couldn’t find the answers to the questions I had on the subject.  With any luck, someone smarter than me will write a better article we can all rely upon in the future.  But for now – if you’re going to make a firearm part of your preparedness plans, I highly recommend purchasing a liability protection product to go with it.  And quality training.

Much of high performance preparedness is logistics: keeping track of what you already have and maintaining it, so that it’s ready to be used when you need it.  It also helps you determine where there are holes in your supplies so you can prioritize future purchasing decisions.  High performance preparedness also requires you to make decisions about what may be coming – including surge demand for items you may need to top off.

So, Paul – what did you buy?

I purchased ammunition for my revolver, in large part to replace what I’ve used in training/re-qualification over the last few months.  I did add a modest amount of self defense grade revolver ammo to my very meager revolver supply. This should likely suffice me for the rest of my life, Lord willing.  I don’t carry a revolver, but if we are forced to do so for whatever reason, I want to have quality defensive ammunition for it.

I did so to ensure I have ammo for training purposes in the months ahead – even if there’s a run on ammunition.

I also purchased additional Federal 12 gauge defensive loads with FliteControl technology.  I opted for the 9 pellet because like everyone else, I cannot find 8 pellet in stock.

With regards to firearms, I will likely be making a couple of additions.  Since selling some firearms earlier this year, I’m only keeping in inventory what I reasonably need for defensive, training and hobby purposes.  Thus, I look at every purchase through the lens of “what will this firearm do to improve my readiness?”

To that end, I plan to add a semi-auto 12 gauge for home defense purposes and make the current Mossberg 590 a second home defense gun.  I can run a large pump shotgun in defensive shooting drills fairly well.  But switching to a semiauto would make a number of things easier for me.  And let’s face it – I am not getting any younger.

The other addition I’m contemplating is adding a pocket carry gun.  I have a Glock 26 which I have pocket carried in the past, but I found it too big to be an ideal option.

These things make sense for me.  They may not make sense for you.  Don’t do something just because I am doing it.  Do it because it makes sense for you.

At the beginning of this year, I urged you to toggle from speed to intensity in your preparedness efforts.  Reading the tea leaves and affirmatively getting out in front of the others is part of that.  I hope you are doing so.

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43 Comments
Obbledy
Obbledy
October 14, 2023 5:17 pm

Pro hib uh Ted?…….what means this utterance?……

Steve Z.
Steve Z.
October 14, 2023 5:31 pm

Hearing protection!!! Make sure you have something readily available!!!
I learned that one the hard way. At the range we took a break and went back to shooting. I forgot to put my headphone type hearing protection on and fired 1 round from a 6.5 Creedmmore. Holy Lee Shit! And that was at an open air range. Inside a room in the house even a handgun would be disorienting.
Keeping at least some foam inserts on the nightstand is probably a good idea. Something…

Steve Z.
Steve Z.
  Brewer55
October 14, 2023 10:25 pm

for about an hour YES

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Brewer55
October 15, 2023 10:50 am

No matter how bad my ears hurt, I’m still WAY better off than whatever is down range of me. That’s my only litmus test.

LibertyToad
LibertyToad
  Steve Z.
October 15, 2023 9:06 am

Good advice. I keep my ear protection next to my bedside. The electronic ones are great because you can boost the amount of sound that they pick up.

Booger
Booger
October 14, 2023 5:32 pm

Make sure you can get too them fast and their loaded, I chamber all of mine. An empty gun is just a useless piece of hardware. Above all else, keep them clean and oiled, practice often with a focused mind, be deadly accurate. I recommend a crossbow or a compound in the arsenal as well. A wrist rocket can be a conservative and cost affective way to take small game.

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 14, 2023 5:33 pm

Interesting timing, Lake City just announced they’re suspending consumer sales to distributors in order to concentrate on military contracts….if you want 5.56 it might be time to buy.

mark
mark
  Anonymous
October 14, 2023 6:41 pm

Good tip!

mark
mark
October 14, 2023 5:42 pm

As an old grunt who came of age with 782 gear running and gunning as a yout…one prep I have done over and over and highly recommend is putting together various fighting kits…with the max fighting mag/ammo loads…don’t forget the canteens and energy bars…because after any serious time/maneuver…you will desperately need both.

Caffeine pills are an added plus if you have to stay up all night.

One hand tourniquet, battle dressing, and blood stop could save your life.

B_MC
B_MC
October 14, 2023 6:11 pm

Meanwhile, another coincidence in Nebraska….

Woman killed in explosion at Hornady plant west of Grand Island

One woman died and two men were injured Friday morning in an explosion at a Hornady Manufacturing plant west of Grand Island.

Hall County Attorney Marty Klein said the explosion happened in a chemical compound building at the Hornady plant at 8350 West Old Potash Highway, a Wood River address. That site is about four miles northwest of Alda on the site of the old Cornhusker Army Ammunition Plant.

https://www.nbcnebraskascottsbluff.com/2023/10/13/woman-killed-explosion-grand-island-hornady-plant/

Tex
Tex
  B_MC
October 14, 2023 10:02 pm

Sorry to hear about the woman.

I’ve not shot a lot of Hornady although shot a lot of lesser priced ammo. Regardless, it’s looking like Older Toads can forget what ammo prices and availability use to be like.

zappalives
zappalives
October 14, 2023 6:11 pm

A prudent man buys ammo like food.

goat
goat
  zappalives
October 14, 2023 6:39 pm

Or learns to reload and buys primers.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  goat
October 14, 2023 9:52 pm

If one can find primers.

IWantYourDOR
IWantYourDOR
October 14, 2023 6:24 pm

My wife wants more PM’s, and I would like to add 2 or 3 more guns and ammo to the vault, but looking at our inventory now, if the SHTF for as much as we have prepared…. do we really need to be around to enjoy the chaos? Not that I would not fight to the last breath. Just curious as to how much is enough..

mark
mark
  IWantYourDOR
October 14, 2023 7:10 pm

IWantYourDOR,

I have asked myself that same question many, many times.

It is an individual answer…too many unique circumstances.

Everything changing worse to worst…to worser (piss on grammer!!!)

I have some Prepper friends and one blood relative who I helped raise and is like a son to me who is prepped some (he and his will end up with me if he can get here post SHTF…I have prepped for them…and others) but know no one personally who has prepped to the level I have for as many decades as I have…of course here there are other Preppers (on many levels). One of the reasons I hang here.

I was considered a rightwing ‘out there’ nut by some family and many friends for years considering my level of Prep and my warnings…NOT ANYMORE…been right (every pun intended) too many times…I’m talking since the early 90’s.

I treasure and constantly strive for self-sufficiency no matter what happens…when…and regret none of what I have prepared for.

Self-defense and when needed *Self-Offense will be critical when it is needed…but ‘tribing up’ will be just as important… if not more important…once the fan gets hit….and that is something that takes time and relationships…don’t wait until that is too late.

*There is a cluster of single wide hard core EBT criminal druggie dwellers not too far from my rural Last Stand that will have to be ahhhh dealt with…no doubt they will REALLY cut loose once the curtain is raised and it is SHOWTIME…that’s what I heard from a friend…so to speak…

Picture the above paragraph all over from sea to shining sea…who ya gonna call???

Ghost Preppers!

eraser
eraser
  IWantYourDOR
October 15, 2023 5:38 am

This is the reality. IF the pew pew starts – and any of us return pew’s – we’ll never get round to using our stores, nor may we want to. Personally, the satisfaction of charming the life out of those who would seek to do me harm might seem dreamy, but too much of a good thing will lead to my ruination and demise, of course.

Gary Olson
Gary Olson
October 14, 2023 7:02 pm

If the author didn’t buy the “cost effective” firearms but those with a better reliability, parts would be a lower priority. I am not stating you don’t need spare parts; but smarter rather than cheaper choices are more reliable.

Swrichmond
Swrichmond
  Gary Olson
October 14, 2023 9:18 pm

I disagree. Stuff breaks and wears. Spring-loaded followers and pins go flying during cleaning disassembly. Springs are not forever. Maintenance is essential, and ongoing. Gas rings.

Horseless Headsman
Horseless Headsman
October 14, 2023 9:26 pm

” I am not saying “go out and buy a bunch of guns and ammo.” ”

Too late, by years.

Tex
Tex
  Horseless Headsman
October 14, 2023 11:18 pm

I bought a H & R (New England) Pardner 12 ga single shot some ten years ago because I have surplus 12ga reloads and sold the 870. $125 at Wal Marts for that single shot. Today…?

Firearms are stupid priced now.

$125…I think like that, ahead, then only remembering for what it’s worth …$60 for that 12 ga single shot at one time. Does not matter now.

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 14, 2023 9:50 pm

Thanks for helping to drive up the prices, cunt.

tsquared
tsquared
October 14, 2023 9:51 pm

I am 62 and I am moving out of metro Atlanta. Packing everything up I realized I have enough reloading components to supply me until I am 103 years old unless SHTF. I shoot about 7k rounds per year. Then it is a 6 month to 1 year supply when things go south..

Tex
Tex
  tsquared
October 14, 2023 10:54 pm

7,000/365 days…20 rds per day. Keep it going. lol

Tr4head
Tr4head
  tsquared
October 15, 2023 10:35 am

I left the Civil Rights Capital of the visible Universe in 2017. Best decision of my life. Not to mention not living within a couple miles of CDC Bio Non Safety Labs 1-4.

onion skin
onion skin
October 14, 2023 9:54 pm

As things get worse in the U.S. you might be able to defend your home from 2 or 3 motivated starving people per 24 hours, but probably not 20 or 30, for months. Might want to think about being mobile.

Tex
Tex
October 14, 2023 10:32 pm

Firearms is just fucked up anymore. .30-30 in a Winchester or Marlin lever action is what the West was made of. All the movies…

Cedartown Mark
Cedartown Mark
  Tex
October 15, 2023 3:12 am

Or Henry.

Tr4head
Tr4head
  Tex
October 15, 2023 10:40 am

Just bought an old Winchester Saddle Ring Carbine. Great gun.

Tr4head
Tr4head
October 14, 2023 10:45 pm

Good review. I have seen many good “prepper” articles that cover much the same ground pretty well. But nearly all miss an important point. The reason we prep with arms and ammo is for two reasons. One, the Govt has and may continue to go too far, as the new Dinish DSouza film points out (Police State). Secondly, if SHTF we need to protect our family and supplies to live in, whatever they may be. In either case, it could be a fire fight. You can be armed to the hilt with thousands of rounds yet a good shot with one round takes you out. To reduce that chance, one needs to consider body armor, preferably up to Level 3 for sharpshooters. Otherwise, if you fall early in a battle, what’s the point of prep?

m
m
  Tr4head
October 15, 2023 9:51 am

You probably better start thinking about drone defense.

Tr4head
Tr4head
October 14, 2023 10:48 pm

Jim – as we get near SHTF moments most will want to use anonymous IP or VPN. Maybe something to consider so we can still talk to each other until the plug is pulled and we go HAM radios.

Tex
Tex
  Tr4head
October 14, 2023 11:54 pm

Homing pigeons , carrier pigeons. Interesting hobby practiced by few these days.

Tex
Tex
October 14, 2023 10:57 pm

Fuck it, for those on a “budget” buy .22 while you can. Some folks don’t even have a place to shoot .22. Buy it anyway.

Booger
Booger
  Tex
October 14, 2023 11:40 pm

A 10/22 is a very under estimated round. Agree, cost effective and certainly lethal in the right hands. I have two and maintain about 5000 rounds of hollow point lr.

Tex
Tex
  Tex
October 14, 2023 11:49 pm

If .22 is all you got…

Tr4head
Tr4head
  Tex
October 15, 2023 10:42 am

Great for a new coinage.

LibertyToad
LibertyToad
October 15, 2023 9:05 am

Learn to reload. It is not very difficult but you do need to be careful. Primers are still very expensive but they are available. Powder, brass and bullets are pretty easy to get right now. When ammo disappears on store shelves, reloading materials also tend to disappear awhile afterwards, but if you stay ahead of the game and buy ahead of time, you can have enough components to construct 1,000s of rounds.

goat
goat
  LibertyToad
October 15, 2023 9:21 am

Or 10s of thousands of rounds.

U-BET-CHA
U-BET-CHA
October 15, 2023 10:31 am

Two good book references for purchasing firearms and accessories:

Boston’s Gun Bible (4/1/2002) by Boston T. Party

Survival Guns (1979) by Mel Tappan

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
October 15, 2023 10:47 am

By the time I’m out of ammo there will be plenty of free guns and ammo lying on the ground all over the place. I’m just not feeling the urgency. Friendly reminder though. The gun you pick up might be what got the last guy killed.

Know your shit.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  The Central Scrutinizer
October 16, 2023 2:02 pm

yup-hoping to survive long enough to get into the salvage
business myself