Heigh-ho the Merry-oh, Deporting We Will Go

Guest Post by Fred Reed

Interesting times, methinks. We have Mr. Trump, per the Washington Examiner,  vowing to rid the country of illegal immigrants by rounding them up, storing them in concentration camps, and deporting them at “millions per year.”

Saith Mr. Trump to the Conservative Political Action Conference,  “Under my leadership, we will use all necessary state, local, federal, and military resources to carry out the largest domestic deportation operation in American history,” Trump told the CPAC audience Saturday. “We will pick them up, and we will throw them out of our country, and there will be no questions asked…The first reconciliation bill I will sign will be for a massive increase in border patrol and a colossal increase in the number of ICE [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] deportation officers…Other countries are emptying out their prisons, insane asylums, and mental institutions and sending all of their problems right into their dumping ground.”

Wow. Can he do it, one wonders, or is he just grandstanding for his base? Will he try?  Quite possibly, I will guess. Last time, he promised to build The Wall, gave it a truly heroic effort, and built some of it. How will this new promise go? How will it play with the electorate?

A preliminary question is how many illegals are in America? Counting them is difficult since they usually have no desire to be counted. Various statistical approaches exist, none conclusive, and all suspected of political bias. We will here assume a number between ten and twenty million, probably closer to fifteen. Deporting “millions a year” plural, means at least two million a year. If there are even twelve million illegals, this will take six years.

Now, the camps into which millions of illegals would be stuffed. Presumably the camps would be built on federal land, most likely out west, but I am only guessing. Could they be gotten through Congress and the Supreme Court? It doesn’t seem likely but maybe. They would be huge, expensive both to build and to operate, and require water, sewerage, and food. Physically possible certainly, but perhaps a hard political sell.

And a PR nightmare. The media would focus night after night on the lack of schools, the primitive conditions, etc. There would be comparisons with the Holocaust, despite the lack of resemblance. There would be strident allusions to the Japanese Americans interned during WWII. I don’t see how they could be forced through, but maybe.

Is Mr.Trump overguessing the popularity of massive deportations?  Perhaps not. A lot of support exists for closing the border and, at least among those who haven’t thought carefully, for ejecting illegals. The angrier of Mr.Trump’s supporters will favor concentration camps.  But would the moderately supportive? Closing the border is one thing, putting millions in camps another.

Worth pondering is how Congress would respond to Mr. Trump’s desired policies.  We do not live in 1954. The at least sixty million Latinos wield votes, and Congress knows it. While many Latinos favor closing the border to avoid competition and political heat, deporting ten or fifteen million might not fly with them. Blacks? They are not fond of Latinos, but might think, “Latinos today and tomorrow, us.” This doesn’t make a lot of sense, but in racial politics making sense seldom matters.

Again, one certainty as sure as gravitation: The effort would be a media disaster.  Nightly, over and over, nonstop, we would see the second-grade children of illegals dragged crying from school to be trucked off to the camps. They would be encouraged to sob theatrically for the cameras, though little encouragement would be needed. They would mostly be American citizens, unless Mr. Trump managed to end birthright citizenship retroactively. Ths would not be likely. There would be cases of the Mexican man married to the white wife, neither she nor the children being Mexican citizens. It would be a bloodbath by media opposed to Mr. Trump, the only kind of media there are.

To where will the two million a year be deported? Since they are almost all Latin Americans, we might presume that Latin America would get them.  A fair prediction though is that no country of the region would want them. How do you force, say, Peru to accept large numbers of deportees who are not its citizens? The available approaches are economic sanctions or military force. Either might work for all I know.

Of course the most likely receptacle is Mexico. Deportees, Mexican citizens or not, could be forced across the border at bayonet point. Mexico would have no hope of resisting either the American military or economic pressure.

Mexico also has no capacity to absorb millions of refugees. The result would be a humanitarian disaster of starvation and shelterlessness. This would not distress Mr.Trump,. or he would not propose it. The same is true of Mr. Trump’s more ardent supporters. How the American public at  large would react to the nightly network video of children crying for food is an open question. My guess, perhaps wrong, is that most Americans would not stand for it.

Among dedicated anti-immigrants, deporting the Dacans is a high priority. These are Latinos, mostly Mexican, who crossed into America illegally as children. They are now legal, being in the country with the knowledge and permission of the federal government. Mr. Trump wants to throw them out as criminals, though this embodies the curious notion that a baby in its mother’s arms can commit a federal crime. Ejecting them would be easier than in the case of illegals since they tend to have jobs and families and thus are easily found. Deporting them might work, though their employers and perhaps neighbors might object.

Rounding up two million illegals a year would make obvious an overarching problem with the whole program, which is that a great many Americans don’t want illegals deported. For example, many businesses, including hotels, restaurants, agriculture, and construction, depend on immigrant labor, much of it illegal. The owners of a construction firm out West once put it to me succinctly: Blacks are terrible workers, don’t show up, have bad attitudes, and do poor work. Whites don’t want the work at rates the company  could pay. Illegal Mexicans show up, do good work, and appreciate the employment. The company, the owners told me, could not survive without them. Citrus growers in Florida tell the same story.

All of these businessmen, note, are Republicans.

The mechanics of the rounding-up seem problematic. The most obvious way I suppose would be to have the police surround an enterprise, such as a slaughterhouse, knowing that ninety percent of its workers are illegals. and carry them off in handcuffs. The slaughterhouse would then be  in effect closed, losing lots of money, and the supermarkets not getting meat. Repeated over many industries, this would create a lot of moneyed blowback, mostly by  Republicans.

Worth noting is that laws exist against hiring illegals and they carry heavy penalties. They simply are not enforced. A meat-packing company with several slaughterhouses might well be RICO bait. Nobody says anything.

Another approach I suppose would be for the Army or vastly expanded police forces to walk through Latino neighborhoods in the cities, grabbing people and demanding birth certificates or naturalization papers. People seldom carry these. Or cops could knock on doors and demand to search the house, ignoring the Constitution. Use of the military, threatened by Mr. Trump, is unconstitutional.

To judge by history many citizens, both Latino and white, would refuse to cooperate with the cops, or soldiers. In many regions, relations between immigrants and locals are not bad. The warehouse operator for whom illegal Pedro has worked for twelve years, and now runs the night shift, is unlikely to hand over a valued employee because some meddlesome bureaucrat demands it.  Think California, which has more Latinos than whites, generally getting along well. The existence of “sanctuary” states and cities that protect illegals from deportation is another indicator of the non-universal support for ejection.

While Mr. Trump might say that there is nothing racial in his policies, that he is just enforcing the existing laws, it would instantly be seen as racial. Biden has done much to engender racial hostility between white and black, and Mr. Trump would create similar enmity between Latinos and whites. How this will promote the domestic tranquility is not clear.

I think the consequence of attempting to deport illegals on such a scale would be to throw the country into the worst crisis it has ever experienced without deporting much of anybody. Of course, I have noticed that what I think does not control the workings of the universe, doubtless a cosmic oversight of some sort. Still, it might be a good idea to think things through before undertaking them. Granted, this would be a break with tradition, but a little adventure spices up life.

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44 Comments
Todd Packer's Mentor
Todd Packer's Mentor
December 3, 2023 8:42 am

Make the circumstances such that they self-deport.

Unreconstructed
Unreconstructed
  Todd Packer's Mentor
December 3, 2023 9:42 am

Exactly. If you feed them, they will come!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Unreconstructed
December 3, 2023 12:36 pm
pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Anonymous
December 3, 2023 5:03 pm

What about the 20 million who are already here? This is stupid…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  pyrrhus
December 3, 2023 6:33 pm

No, you’re stupid. What do you propose? If Paul’s ideas were in place, they wouldn’t be here. Yes, it is late, but this is the answer. The others must be removed.

overthecliff
overthecliff
  pyrrhus
December 3, 2023 8:58 pm

Cut them off from any benefits including the right to get a job. Punish those that hire them.

Thomas Kraft
Thomas Kraft
  Todd Packer's Mentor
December 3, 2023 11:39 am

The Bush admin, I think, had started the Employer Verification program, or something. Employers had to check their citizenship/legal immigrant status in order to hire anybody.

fujigm
fujigm
  Thomas Kraft
December 3, 2023 12:18 pm

Best idea ever.
Give the government more power, force employers to vet potential hires after the federal government allowed illegals in, despite taking our taxes to prevent it, make citizens jump through hoops to prove they are citizens, and punish the employers when they fail.
Are people fucking retarded?
When will they realize that the government is the problem?
No welfare payments, no more gimme immigrants…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  fujigm
December 3, 2023 12:38 pm
Anonymous
Anonymous
  Thomas Kraft
December 3, 2023 1:17 pm

Ancient history, time to keep up with the criminal admin. currently in power.
https://countylocalnews.com/2023/12/02/doj-fines-christian-tn-trucking-company-700k-for-worker-legal-status-inquiry/

overthecliff
overthecliff
  Thomas Kraft
December 3, 2023 8:59 pm

Bullshit! It never happened.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Todd Packer's Mentor
December 3, 2023 5:03 pm

Eliminate all benefits, as we used to do before the Supreme Court ruled that was unConstitutional…Total BS of course…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  pyrrhus
December 3, 2023 6:35 pm

Like Ron Paul’s proposed, ya dope?

flash
flash
December 3, 2023 8:57 am

Meanwhile a never ending flood of invaders are crossing the southern border every day. According to the Chozenite, Bald, who among us can look at all the poor children being smuggled by parents and predators into the US and without a hard heart, turn them away. I mean , as sad as it is, what type of horrible person doesn’t want to help the tens of millions of third world invaders escaping their IMF destroyed economies, to come work in the American service industry. We need those tacos and lawn care services. We do.

And, our Republic destroyed by an unrelentless multicultural foreign invasion is a small price to pay for saving the children from a lifetime of US welfare free poverty in their country of origin.

On another note, there’s a lot of aid stations and money/food/medicine suppliers along the invasion route .Who could possibly be paying for all this?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  flash
December 3, 2023 1:20 pm

You are Fool, we all are, it’s ALL TAXPAYER FUNDED. Wake the hell up.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  flash
December 3, 2023 6:12 pm

Flash, I kind of agree with your logic about the children, but most of the people streaming across the border seem to be all dudes, with no women or children

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
December 3, 2023 9:03 am

Mexico has no problem allowing these hoards cross their land to enter Ours, bringing their drugs and diseases and taking Our futures.
I hate Mexico.
It is a partner to Our enemies trying to undermine Our Sovereinity and destroy Us.

flash
flash
  YourAverageJoe
December 3, 2023 9:31 am

These are the people facilitating the invasion… Mexico getting paid , too.
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Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  YourAverageJoe
December 3, 2023 12:00 pm

Joe, it’s “hordes.”

But, yes, all part of the plan…

anon a moos
anon a moos
December 3, 2023 9:18 am

LOL… It never ends..

Chameleon Don is gonna drain the swamp drain the illegals from murika. Then he’s gonna rebuild the military border patrol and spend billions on all manner of wall building with steel, tech and some guyz.

Same old shtick but you can count on the chameleon to do what he promises to do. He was just hamstringed by his staff last time, duped. But certainly not gonna happen this time no way, jared will see to that.

Thomas Kraft
Thomas Kraft
  anon a moos
December 3, 2023 11:58 am

You’re spot on, Anon. The Swamp really did a number on him last. The minute he started using Jeff Sessions for advice on appts., I knew it wouldn’t go well. Prime example is Bill Barr. That backstabber is still making tons of money running around to TV news shows to trash DJT.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Thomas Kraft
December 3, 2023 12:02 pm

Oh come on, admit it, you have Never read a Q post.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 3, 2023 9:29 am

Any business using illegals as employees will be fined out of existence for economic treason . All assets seized including personal assets cutting through the corporate vale of protection
No need for camps bus their asses to the border and at gun point swim or die .
There is at least 50 million illegals in the US and the leftist goal is 100 million to dilute the population spread across all population centers to cripple economically all local government systems !
None of these people are here to become Americans and follow the laws and customs as Americans
Most are here for a free ride on the bankrupt welfare system .
Yes they are working but the support their families receive is more than many veterans receive
Every true American has been victimized by the Obamanation of all government alphabet agencies weaponized against citizens in favor of criminals and criminal invaders
The war has been declared and the enemy is now government and the J6 committee proved that .
Speak out and the FBI comes knocking on your door as they use GESTAPO style threats and tactics !
Then like a J-Dam guided bomb the full weight of the corrupt DOJ is dropped on a citizens head because they protest teaching elementary school students about perverted sexual acts .
I know not what’s coming and to what degree , I just know The Who but I Leftist assholes and their minions of badge wearing just doing my job, following orders cowards are ready willing and able to place their boot firmly in Americans faces !
This as they Piss on the Constitution, The Bill Of Rights and their oath and honor !
The lack of guts and integrity in what was our REPUBLIC is as pathetic as the parasites collecting tax payer funded checks enforcing and assuring America’s demise

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 3, 2023 11:23 am

Supposedly a business was fined for checking citizen status, so they aren’t going to do anything to businesses hiring invaders. It’s all part of their plan to make it easier to force the digital currency.

Freddy Uranus
Freddy Uranus
  Anonymous
December 3, 2023 4:48 pm

My “migrant” daughter-in-law told me with a straight face that the U.S. needs all the illegals here to pick strawberries because the people in the U.S. wont do it. I told her we don’t need 20 million strawberry pickers. Things then got very quiet.

Ed
Ed
December 3, 2023 10:30 am

Fred, you’re ignoring the obvious fact that Trump is full of shit. He isn’t really even considering doing what he claims he’ll do, and he isn’t running for Emperor, he’s running for President, a job he already deliberately failed to do before. Trump said the same kind of shit in ’16 that he’s claiming now: that he will do a lot of shit that the office of president doesn’t have the power to do.

Making the promises that he makes should show any potential voter that he’s trying to appeal to the “Strongman Needed” demographic, a segment of the voting public that has no critical thinking ability. He’s the typical republican party soft pitch candidate that the democrat party needs to “win” another election.

Also, he isn’t even the official candidate yet, but he’s the one getting ALL of the media coverage. That should clue you in that this is just another fake election coming up.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Ed
December 3, 2023 11:16 am

All true.
Won’t stop the Trumptards from voting their moast harderest and telling you that you must be a Biden loving communist if you don’t do likewise.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 3, 2023 1:26 pm

Both of you, dumbest fuckers on the internet today. Your TDS is front and center, go vote Joe again. Loser’s love Loser’s.

Freddy Uranus
Freddy Uranus
  Anonymous
December 3, 2023 4:55 pm

The guy is a narcissistic goofball. He’s also a politician. He’ll say whatever needs to be said to get elected. And everyone will still vote for him because the others are bigger clowns.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Freddy Uranus
December 3, 2023 6:17 pm

You’re talking about Biden right? Trump is a successful businessman and knows alot about money. He’s not a politician. He made alot of promises when he was running last time and he fulfilled alot of them. He was hamstringed left and right by the Democrats and the Rinos, the media, and the deep state

Ed
Ed
  Anonymous
December 5, 2023 10:40 am

Face it: Trump is a libtard POLITICIAN. His wealth is all in loans. That’s how much he knows about money.

Ed
Ed
  Anonymous
December 5, 2023 10:38 am

You are cordially invited to kiss my ass, anonyhole. I doubt that you can reach it, though.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
December 3, 2023 11:03 am

1. They came in through Mexico, send them back the way they came.
2. 15 million my ass. More like 45 million. Maybe even a Barillion.
3. Ain’t gonna happen. It’s like cancer that is spread all throughout the body.
4. America is on a long slow decline. Acceptance.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Glock-N-Load
December 3, 2023 6:36 pm

And try the pols who did it for treason.

Lars
Lars
December 3, 2023 11:08 am

“Tump might say that there is nothing racial

in his policies, that he is just enforcing the existing laws, it would instantly be seen as racial.”

Yes, Mr Reed, the problem is at its roots racial. If deluded, naive, guilt-obsessed, pathoogically altruistical White people don’t grasp the glaringly stark reality that they are, as a race, the target of a planned global assault which includes the invasion of their homelands by non-White, often hostile ethno-racial groups, they will continue to cooperate with their own genocide. Obviously, Mr Reed, this does not bother you.

Harold Covington’s blueprint as layed out in his quintet of novels is at this stage our only rational choice IMHO.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Lars
December 3, 2023 1:33 pm

Some how I just don’t think the media will be as you say. As soon as the govt. allowed propaganda is once again banned, people like Joe and mika, joy reid, rachel madcow and that ilk simply won’t be on TV anymore. Smith Mundt Act, look it up.

Unreconstructed
Unreconstructed
  Lars
December 3, 2023 10:37 pm

“The Camp of the Saints” by Jean Raspail

piearesquared
piearesquared
December 3, 2023 12:23 pm

Trump isn’t going to do anything to stop illegal immigration, or deport those already here. Even if he wanted to, which he probably doesn’t, his NWO handlers wouldn’t let him. If the government really wanted to stop illegal immigration they would simply stop the welfare payments to the illegals. That simple step by itself would cut illegal immigration in half (and also save a lot of money). But the government can’t do that because the politicians are virtually all controlled by the NWO via bribery, threats, or blackmail (think Jeffrey Epstein). And the NWO is intent on bringing down the U.S. and other Western nations, via immigration from third world countries and other means, to usher in their one world government and cashless society. And they are easily going to achieve that objective. They are masters at manipulating the sheeple. In fact they have manipulated many in the West to support the current genocide in Gaza, which is accomplishing two NWO goals: A reduction of the population, and creating numerous Palestinian refugees who will eventually flood into many Western nations, including the U.S., to further destabilize them.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  piearesquared
December 3, 2023 12:59 pm

Here’s the thing: IF Trump were to win, and IF he attempted to follow through on this promise, I guarantee that his first step will be requiring you to get your Federal digital ID (soon to be merged with social credit scores and vaccine passports and carbon allowances, naturally).
The man is a retarded game show host operating as Trojan horse for globalist wet dreams.

Unreconstructed
Unreconstructed
  piearesquared
December 3, 2023 10:39 pm

“The Camp of the Saints” by Jean Raspail

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 3, 2023 12:52 pm

you’re spinning your tires with Trump. He’s powerless at this point within the system we are currently enslaved under. Secondly, he’s more concerned with making money and doing reach-arounds with his elite dicksuckers. Why would you ever trust a billionaire realizing that they made their billions on the back of the middle class and poor.

What has he done for the Jan sixers imprisoned without any rights and tortured routinely? Has he backed a legal fund? Has he attempted to coalesce a few political leaders to rally this call? NO….he’s busy making millions and opening envelopes with contributions for his adolescent rah-rah rallies.

Trump does not deserve to be on a pedestal, plain and simple. Are you seriously that desperate? Or in need of someone to take care of you?

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 3, 2023 1:15 pm

Time is an amazing thing, it allows for clarity, the clarity to see just what the current policies have brought. We also have laws, none of which the biden admin are following, we all know that.
The whole country is now seeing all the muslims protesting around the country in blue cities, this alone is a wake up call to the average American who is obsessed with the bread and circus of football and Taylor Swift and all the other distractions, seeing that people from the middle east are already HERE in large numbers and making demands of our Govt. seeing that they actually support Hamas, a designated terrorist group. Just wait until a few of the invaders go on a few shooting sprees, all those military age males are not here looking for work, just look at how the ones the sanctuary cities are putting up are complaining about everything, money, housing, food. Look at how the citizens of those cities are getting pissed about their tax dollars paying for these illegals to live like kings while their city has to cut service the taxpayer pays for so the money can go to the illegals. This to will build over the next year. By the time Trump gets back in office {and that’s going to happen weather you like it or not} the majority of the country will be on board with it with what has to be done.
Then a large Govt Re organization, including the Federal Reserve, time to end the shell game.

Jdog
Jdog
December 3, 2023 1:24 pm

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pyrrhus
pyrrhus
December 3, 2023 5:01 pm

Ike deported 1.4 million in 4 months…but he wasn’t using kid gloves…We don’t care where they go, or if they end up at the South Pole….