MUCK ALERT

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Posted on 27th August 2012 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

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Who the fuck knows? I certainly don’t. Maybe Muck can check with his sources and give us the answer. I can’t imagine that Obama would be supportive of oil prices going up to $150 a barrel just before the election. Is Netanyahu that crazy? He strikes me as a prick, but not crazy.

Netanyahu ‘Determined to Attack Iran’ Before U.S. Elections, Israeli News Says

Posted on Aug 25, 2012
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Israel’s Channel 10 reported this week that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “is determined to attack Iran before the U.S. elections” and that Israel is now “closer than ever” to a military strike intended to foil Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

The station’s military reporter said Netanyahu was unlikely to wait for a potential meeting with President Barack Obama in late September. “I doubt Obama could say anything that would convince Netanyahu to delay a possible attack,” the reporter added, before saying that Netanyahu and Israel’s defense minister believe Obama would be pressured to support an attack given the U.S. presidential elections in November.

Ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern earlier stressed the possibility of such an attack.

—Posted by Alexander Reed Kelly. Follow him on Twitter: @areedkelly.

The Times of Israel:

The TV station’s military reporter Alon Ben-David, who earlier this year was given extensive access to the Israel Air Force as it trained for a possible attack, reported that, since upgraded sanctions against Iran have failed to force a suspension of the Iranian nuclear program in the past two months, “from the prime minister’s point of view, the time for action is getting ever closer.”

Asked by the news anchor in the Hebrew-language TV report how close Israel now was to “a decision and perhaps an attack,” Ben-David said: “It appears that we are closer than ever.”

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  1. AWD says:

    Netanyahu is a known proponent of polygamy, and is therefore a strong Romney supporter. He has the ability to sink Obama and get Romney elected, don’t you think he’s going to do it? Of course, or at least we can only hope. Once polygamy is legal in the U.S., it’s a cinch for it to become legal in Israel.

    I think SSS would know better than the muckster, btw.

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    27th August 2012 at 11:15 am

  2. Hope@ZeroKelvin says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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    27th August 2012 at 11:20 am

  3. FBD says:

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    27th August 2012 at 11:48 am

  4. FBD says:

    “Just fire up the B52s and bomb the living shit out of Tehran, that’s my advice.”

    You’re kidding, right? I’m slow. So, please tell me you’re not serious. Please.

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    27th August 2012 at 11:51 am

  5. Wyoming Mike says:

    Hey Muck! Just hanging at the sheraton near the airport pretty much all day today. Room 318 if you’re in the area.

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    27th August 2012 at 11:54 am

  6. Muck About says:

    The human capacity for creating murder and mayhem is completely unlimited. The only unknown is the timing of it.

    I made my one shot at timing some time ago and will not take anymore of AWD’s jabs..

    That could change, of course, but I doubt it.

    MA

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    27th August 2012 at 11:55 am

  7. Muck About says:

    @Wyoming Mike: Me get on Eye4 in the windy rain? That road is suicide on a clear day with no weather and only five trucks and 2 cars will try and kill you..

    Thanks for the invite but I’ll have to pass. My sweetie and I are tucked in with the car in the drive way getting a free wash job..

    Have fun.. If it’s possible. We look forward to a critique of you experiences when you get back to the ranch..

    MA

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    27th August 2012 at 11:59 am

  8. Administrator says:

    Wyoming Mike

    Did you go to the Ron Paul Rally yesterday?

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    27th August 2012 at 12:03 pm

  9. SSS says:

    Hope

    Israel will hit Iran’s nuclear facilities, not the oil refineries, which pose no threat to Israel’s survival. Not sure what prompted your B-52 comment, though. The U.S. will not use its B-52s against Iran. But Israel has aerial tankers to get its fighters in and out of Iran and home safely. The most expeditious route will go right over Jordan and Iraq. Iraq poses no threat for the simple reason that it doesn’t have the capability to do anything about it, and the Jordanian Air Force will sit on its hands because Israel will have an air-to-air fighter cap on the mission which will chew up and spit out Jordanian interceptors in a heartbeat.

    Anyway, Israel will strike if it has solid intelligence that Iran’s nuclear program is nearing fruition. It has done so in the past to Iraq and Syria, and it will do so again.

    The Mossad is an extremely competent and creative intelligence service. Don’t think for a moment that Israel doesn’t have some excellent humint sources in Iran. It had decades to develop good sources under the Shah, and it has had decades to develop other good sources under the mullahs.

    Take a look at the car bomb operation in Damascus that took out Hezbollah’s chief of terrorist operations Imad Mugniyeh a few years ago. In friggin downtown Damascus, for heaven’s sake!!!! That op had Mossad written all over it. It took Israel YEARS to get to that guy, who was responsible for the bombings of the Israeli Embassy and Jewish Cultural Center in Buenos Aires, but it finally did.

    Anyway, if Netanyahu pulls the trigger, it’s gonna get really interesting.

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    27th August 2012 at 12:18 pm

  10. Hope@ZeroKelvin says:

    I am going for the all time TBP thumbs down score with that comment, lol.

    I am only sort of kidding cuz I do not think that anything will deter the Insanians from getting a nuke and using it against Israel.

    Then, when Tel Aviv goes up in a mushroom fireball, the US nuclear doctrine comes into effect and the B52s get revved up anyway.

    Pick your poison: Bombing them now, killing 10K Isanians and their mullahs, or later, after 1 million Jews are annihilated and most of Israel is a radioactive ash tray.

    That’s just the horrible calculus of war, guys, sorry, but, the Isanians and their mullahs ARE NOT LIKE US and you cannot think they view the lives of others in the same moral/societal mindspace that people in the Judeo-Christian world do.

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    27th August 2012 at 12:19 pm

  11. Thunderbird says:

    Hope@ZeroKelvin says: “Just fire up the B52s and bomb the living shit out of Tehran, that’s my advice.”

    What! Has the sun gotten to you? You really seem to be a product of outside impressions rather than inner convictions. Where is your rudder?

    This is the worst time the world needs another war. The world is suffering from severe economic problems caused by excessive mismanagement of currency and the only thing a war is going to do is cause more suffering. Patience is a virtue in an insane world. We went through two world wars that caused mass destruction and human suffering, and one would think we learned something from that.

    Get your head together man and stop being driven by the news. There is a lot of misinformation out there.

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    27th August 2012 at 12:38 pm

  12. Persnickety says:

    @Hope: the average Iranian is no crazier or more dangerous to us than the average Israeli, and probably less so. Both countries have insane leaders, but Israel’s Netanyahu is a dangerous warmonger who actually attacks others without remorse, while Iran’s leader is somewhat crazy and threatens a bit, but his scariest purported threats are deliberate mistranslations of what he said, for US and Israeli consumption. Israel is by far the greater threat to regional and global stability. Iran’s hostility to the US has been created entirely by US meddling in Iran going back to the 1950′s. It’s called blowback, you might want to look it up.

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    27th August 2012 at 12:40 pm

  13. Ron says:

    Im almost to the point of wanting to get the total destruction of our economy over with,almost as i enjoy my life.But like i keep saying,Obama staying in power is with martial law after oil spikes and riots begin.He needs this all to happen before the elections.

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    27th August 2012 at 12:44 pm

  14. AWD says:

    No jabs, Muckster, you are well respected and honored by all. Just sayin’ that SSS has a special knack for describing the actions of belligerent governments, since he helped topple so many of them.

    HZK
    I keep saying use the neutron bomb “eyes melt, skin dissolves”, only kills people, leaves the infrastructure intact. The U.S. is always first to use weapons of mass destruction (Hiroshima, Nagasaki), so we should naturally be the first to use the neutron bomb. After those pesky Iranians are gone, we annex the country, claim all property and oil, and tell Russia and China to go fuck themselves. It would extend our tenuous grasp as world reserve currency for another 5 years at least, and we could use Iran as colony much like the British did with Australia; ship all the criminals there. We have 2 million people in prison, and that is expensive, simply ship them to live in Iran. We can also ship the FSA there, where they will be forced to work for free shit. It would really solve a whole host of problems, the neutron bomb.

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    27th August 2012 at 12:45 pm

  15. Administrator says:

    Where’s Zara when you need him.

    HZK’s posts are bordering on batshit crazy.

    I’m picturing her in Ann Barnhardt mode:

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    BOMB BOMB BOMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    27th August 2012 at 12:48 pm

  16. Administrator says:

    AWD joins HZK in crazy town, USA

    This is what happens when you let emotion and delusional beliefs overcome facts, common sense and critical thinking.

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    27th August 2012 at 12:50 pm

  17. Administrator says:

    AWD and HZK proclaim to be Ron Paul supporters and then argue for starting World War III.

    Jeebus H. Krist

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    27th August 2012 at 12:51 pm

  18. DaveL says:

    Admin says: “I can’t imagine that Obama would be supportive of oil prices going up to $150 a barrel just before the election.”

    But if it could be an excuse for postponing elections……

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    27th August 2012 at 1:01 pm

  19. Hope@ZeroKelvin says:

    @SSS:

    The nuclear facilities are a hard target, the oil refineries are not.

    Israel will have to get the attention of the Insanians before the Insanians will even come to the table and making them all pedistrians is an easy way to do it.

    I heartily agree that the Mossad is more than capable of these selective measures and if it can keep the overall body count down and derail the Insanian’s nuclear program, I’m all for it.

    I like the B52 approach because it will keep American boots off the ground and away from the IEDs.

    Plus, those planes are so sexy.

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    27th August 2012 at 1:20 pm

  20. AWD says:

    HZK is only the spokeswoman, I’m the mayor

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    27th August 2012 at 1:25 pm

  21. Wyoming Mike says:

    Hi Muck. No problem, I’m really enjoying, needing the day off after 2 straight 3am nights!

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    27th August 2012 at 1:25 pm

  22. Administrator says:

    HZK insanely believes that Iran can be defeated with air power. Just a little shock and awe Rumsfeld style.

    HZK believes that a country that consists of 636,000 sq miles can be cowed by a few bombers.

    Delusion abounds even among the intelligent.

    Yikes!!!!

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    27th August 2012 at 1:26 pm

  23. AWD says:

    This is someplace West of Philadelphia, or so I’m told

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    The shit throwing monkey’s have their sarcasm buttons turned to “off” today.

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    27th August 2012 at 1:27 pm

  24. Administrator says:

    AWD

    I don’t believe HZK is being sarcastic.

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    27th August 2012 at 1:30 pm

  25. FBD says:

    Tehran has a population if about 3,000,000 that is under 14 years old. Let’s nuke their fucking asses, right?

    HZK in one fell swoop goes from someone I generally admire to bat shit fucking crazy Looneyville.

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    27th August 2012 at 1:32 pm

  26. Administrator says:

    No boots on the ground my fat ass!!!

    If we start shooting, it will require 500,000 boots on the ground.

    That sounds cheap.

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    27th August 2012 at 1:34 pm

  27. Administrator says:

    Neo-Con wet dream. Look at the size of Kuwait versus Iran. This should be a cake walk.

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    27th August 2012 at 1:37 pm

  28. Administrator says:

    Only an ignorant fool thinks that Iran can be defeated easily with no boots on the ground.

    Storylines and theory are so much more comforting than truth and reality.

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    27th August 2012 at 1:40 pm

  29. FBD says:

    HZK gets briefed on the Iranian threat
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    27th August 2012 at 1:41 pm

  30. AWD says:

    HZK and SSS agree that Iran will be bombed by Israel.

    Is this really inevitable? WW3 is therefore inevitable.

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    27th August 2012 at 1:46 pm

  31. Administrator says:

    AWD

    Pandora’s Box will be opened if Israel and/or the U.S. attacks Iran.

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    27th August 2012 at 1:54 pm

  32. sensetti says:

    Obama is ready to attack Iran.

    Obama pledges to stop an Iranian nuclear weapon

    Preventing Iran from developing a nuclear weapon is a national security interest of both Israel and the United States, President Barack Obama said Sunday in calling for continued diplomatic efforts but also pledging that all options — including a military effort — remain viable.

    http://articles.cnn.com/2012-03-04/politics/politics_obama-aipac_1_nuclear-weapon-weapons-grade-uranium-obama-pledges?_s=PM:POLITICS

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    27th August 2012 at 2:12 pm

  33. flash says:

    same bullshit…different day.

    You have a row of dominoes set up; you knock over the first one, and what will happen to the last one is that it will go over very quickly.
    –Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1954

    Now we have a problem in making our power credible, and Vietnam is the place.
    –John F. Kennedy, 1961

    This is not a jungle war, but a struggle for freedom on every front of human activity.
    –Lyndon B. Johnson, 1964

    Tell the Vietnamese they’ve got to draw in their horns or we’re going to bomb them back into the Stone Age.
    –Gen. Curtis LeMay, May 1964

    We are not about to send American boys nine or ten thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.
    –Lyndon Johnson, Oct. 1964

    We are at war with the most dangerous enemy that has ever faced mankind in his long climb from the swamp to the stars, and it has been said if we lose that war, and in so doing lose this way of freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment that those who had the most to lose did the least to prevent its happening.
    –Ronald Reagan, 1964

    We should declare war on North Vietnam. . . .We could pave the whole country and put parking strips on it, and still be home by Christmas.
    –Ronald Reagan, 1965

    I see light at the end of the tunnel.
    –Walt W. Rostow, National Security Adviser, Dec. 1967

    I’m not going to be the first American president to lose a war.
    –Richard Nixon, Oct. 1969

    Today, America can regain the sense of pride that existed before Vietnam. These events, tragic as they are, portend neither the end of the world nor of America’s leadership in the world.
    –Gerald Ford, April 1975

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    27th August 2012 at 2:30 pm

  34. Maddie's Mom says:

    I have read that Netanyahu doesn’t “like” Obama. If that’s true and he sees Obama as an obstacle to whatever might be in Israel’s best interests, then I think it’s definitely possible.

    However, my GUT tells me we will still be discussing the “if and when” of it 5 years from now, just like we’ve been doing for the past 5 years.

    I really think no one wants to “go there”.

    I also think a lot of the headlines, such as the one above, are just BS, stirring the pot.

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    27th August 2012 at 2:33 pm

  35. Maddie's Mom says:

    The only reason I checked in on this thread is, I thought Muck was missing or sick or injured.

    Glad to see that isn’t the case.

    Since I was here anyway, I just thought I’d spout off.

    lol

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    27th August 2012 at 2:38 pm

  36. Hope@ZeroKelvin says:

    You guys get a D in reading comprehension.

    #1: No where did I say nuking Tehran. That would violate our no first use policy, among other problems. I merely advocate removing from power I’m-a-Dinner-Jacket and the Insanian 12 Imam mullahs, you remember those guys, they’re the ones that the Ayatollah Khomeni thought were too extreme. The actual people of Iran are very unhappy with this gang, hence the GREEN revolution, yeah, the movement for democracy that Obama ignored, that had to be put down with foreign mercenaries. A few well placed MOABs from 50,000 feet is all I’m advocating, although neutron bomb is tempting, tempting. heh.

    #2: No where did I talk about “defeating” Iran. I don’t give a shit about “bringing democracy” or “rebuilding the country” or occupying it. We tried all that stuff in Afghanistan and Iraq and all we got was a ginormous shit sandwhich for the Americans who went and the Americans who paid for it. Plus thousands of American troops killed and maimed. What the fuck the Iranian people do with their own country after the Insanians are out of power is up to them. If they call for help, well, okay, but NO COMBAT BOOTS ON THE GROUND. I’m talking about sending a clear and unambiguous signal that the US will not tolerate any uranium enrichment past that needed for medical reasons, ie 10%. Note that Iran is now up to 20%.

    #3: No where did I talk about starting WW3. Are you kidding me? Do you really think Russia and China will risk thermonuclear annihilation over Iran? The leaders of those countries love their power and prestige more than they hate the US, and far more than they really care about Iran. MAD and deterrence will work with Putin and Jintao. After all the bloviating is done, Russia/China will be quite happy to have the Insanians removed from power and their nuclear ambitions checked. The rest of the ME will also be quietly relieved.

    #4: You are worried about blowback. You know why we get blowback? Because when we do actually retaliate against people who have killed Americans and harmed our interests, we do so with all the force of a wet noodle. (Due the the emasculation of American REAL men.) We apologize profusely, prostrate ourselves at the alter of the UN and the “International Community” and throw billions of dollars of money and aid at our former enemies in some insane idea that this will make them “like” us. No wonder they have nothing but contempt for us and attack us at every opportunity! The experience in Afganistan proves my point. With air power alone, we overthrew the Taliban in 41 days with ZERO loss of American troops. We should have stopped there, but oh no, we had to go on this “nation building” spree. This has been a total failure cuz you are dealing with 7th century savages with barbaric attitudes towards women and children, people who use smooth stones to wipe their asses even when offered toilet paper, so if you think you are going to overlay some kind of Western style democracy and civilization on them, you are crazier than I am being accused of.

    Whew!!

    Now that I have channeled by inner Ann Barnhardt, let’s hear YOUR solutions for preventing dealing with an nuclear weapon in the hands of the Insanians.

    Cuz, THAT, my friends, is probably the beginning of WW3.

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    27th August 2012 at 2:41 pm

  37. Maddie's Mom says:

    sensetti,

    I think a devastating strike that creates an upsurge in OIL and GAS prices will cost Obama votes.

    People vote their wallet.

    Many are struggling to buy fod and fuel now and $5/gal gasoline would just finish them off.

    I also think people are quite weary of the endless war mongering.

    Patriotism may find itself on the back burner this time around.

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    27th August 2012 at 3:02 pm

  38. Maddie's Mom says:

    Actually, many are struggling to buy FOOD…

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    27th August 2012 at 3:04 pm

  39. Administrator says:

    HZK backtracking like a mangy cur.

    HZK’s opening post:

    “Just fire up the B52s and bomb the living shit out of Tehran, that’s my advice.”

    HZK actually thinks this would not trigger a broader war that could potentially spiral out of control. Once you fire a missile or drop a bomb, you are at war and NO ONE knows what will happen next. I believe your Neo-Con comrades said the Iraq War would cost $50 billion and be over in weeks. How’d that work out? Were we too soft on the Iraqis?

    Your blather is nothing but misinformed crap from the likes of Cheney and his band of merry neo-cons. Iran hasn’t attacked anyone. The U.S. has been interfering in their country since 1952 and you are pissed off because they retaliate.

    You repackage the bullshit about the Iranians being crazy and wanting to blow up Israel because they are religious fanatics. You need to turn off Faux News and think. The Iranians pose absolutely no threat to the United States whatsoever. Your fantasy crap about them sneaking a nuclear bomb that they don’t even have into the U.S. proves you watch too much TV.

    The U.S. needs to stay out of other countrys’ business and worry about our own borders. Your assignment is to watch Ron Paul kick Gulianni’s ass about blowback.

    Your attempt to get out of this ass kicking was pathetic.

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    27th August 2012 at 3:05 pm

  40. Thunderbird says:

    We talk about how crazy the Iranian government is without looking at our own government. Our government is trying to put the boot on our throats while we talk about how bad the Iranian government is. Not only that but now after realizing how good our drones have been in foreign service killing terrorists and civilians alike, our government now wants to use them to control and manage our population.

    Iran is a country like ours with a war mongering government. So what is new? We can project our power while Iran can’t so what is it to us that Iran is developing nuclear power? Why not the cry about Pakistan having nuclear bombs? We are so two faced. The American Indian didn’t call us forked tongued for nothing. The news media drives us with lies and we believe it. Forked tongue is alive and well in our government.

    First of all Iran has to make the bomb and test it. When that happens we will know for sure they have been successful at making a nuclear explosion. Next they have to develop a delivery system. Then they have to have the nerve to use it; and that is a subjective argument that cannot be proved until they actually do it. Then they will be wiped off the map. Do they really want that? I would think not.

    People in power that murder others have a fear of being murdered by others. Our leaders who have murdered others in undeclared and preemptive wars would naturally fear someone else developing a weapon that could destroy them. The mind of a murderer always turn to insanity and is very unstable. I would advise those calling for the bombing of Tehran to read the book, “Crime and Punishment” by Fydor Dostoevsky if one wants to get into mind of our corrupt leaders or the other corrupt murderous government world leaders that have put their populations in all types of conflicts and wars. What causes wars is not populations but their murderous leaders. It has been this way all down through history. Just look at what is going on around the world and try to tell me with a straight face if the human race has evolved. We haven’t! Only some individuals have evolved and they left of the scraps of their writings so we can work on ourselves.

    Just because Iran is developing nuclear power is no right to invade and bomb them. Sure their leaders are crazy like ours. What difference does what crazy path a person takes? Crazy is crazy. But we are the only ones that actually used a nuclear bomb on another society. So what is our beef? Is it out of quilt? No. It is out of arrogance. We wanted the bomb and got it. And by getting the bomb we opened pandoras box. Now everyone wants nuclear power. Human nature? I think so.

    Iran has a population of young people with crazy leaders. America has a population of old people with crazy leaders. The Mideast and South Asia has many countries with vicious leaders. I like China’s policy about dealing with these countries. They keep their nose out of internal affairs of these countries and get what they want. Why is it that we keep our nose out of the affairs of Saudi Arabia and yet stick our nose in the business of every other country in the region? Why the double standard? I expect our leaders to keep us out of unnecessary foreign wars. Iran is one of those unnecessary places to start a war. The best thing we can hope for is the sense to get rid of our crazy leaders and put sound people in power that have not been corrupted by money and power.

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    27th August 2012 at 3:31 pm

  41. FBD says:

    HZK

    You get an A for Best Impersonation of a Warmongering Batshit Crazy Neocon.

    Dropping MOABs to kill a handful of leaders. Joking about neutron bombs … although it’s pretty clear you’re not joking. Tough shit for the innocents, right?

    Are you sure you’re a doctor? Did you take the Dr. Mengele course in Human Compassion?

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    27th August 2012 at 3:34 pm

  42. Steve Hogan says:

    I’m still waiting for someone to cite a single piece of evidence about a nuclear weapons program in Iran. Repeated assertions by AIPAC and neocon warmongers do not substitute for facts on the ground, and there is no factual evidence that the Iranians are developing nukes. Period. Don’t you think such evidence would have been trumpeted to the entire world if it existed?

    Also left unsaid is how the Iranians would deliver such a weapon. A first generation nuke from a third world power is likely to be incredibly heavy and bulky. It would require an ICBM or heavy bomber to transport over Israel. To the best of my knowledge, Iran has neither capability. And even it did, the retaliatory strike would turn its country into a smoldering ruin. The Iranian government may be devious, but it isn’t suicidal.

    When all is said and done, all this nonsensical talk about Iranian nukes is nothing but a pretext for war, which would weaken Iran’s ability to organize its proxy fighters (Hezbollah) in coordinated terrorist attacks. Much like Bush’s lame WMD excuse, the nuke claims are hollow and transparent.

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    27th August 2012 at 3:36 pm

  43. Hope@ZeroKelvin says:

    Ass kicking? Really? Where??

    Staying out of other people’s borders is fine and dandy UNTIL your psychotic neighbor makes good on his/her threat to hurt you.

    Just taking the Insanians at their word.

    Never said ONE iota about invading another country, nope, sorry, can’t put words in my post I didn’t say then hang Cheneyspeak around my neck.

    For the record, after the removal of the Taliban from Afghanistan, I was, and remain, totally against all the rest of it. I am also on record as saying to get the fuck out of the ME and get our own fucking oil out of the ground. Every time I fill up my gas tank, I am financing those other radical moonbats, the Wahabis, via the Saudi oil fields. Really hacks me off, exporting my money to a country where the women are not allowed to fucking drive or show their ankles or own property or even watch a freaking TV show without a man present.

    You are also trying to equate our messing around in Iran in 1952 with their desire today to have nuclear weapons. No connection. The Insanians really really really believe in this 12 Imam stuff. It makes the Christian Rapture folks look like kindergarten story time. There is absolutely zero reason for the Insanians to have uranium enrichment, none, except for the development of a nuclear bomb.

    Yeah, just what the world needs – nuclear weapons in the hands of bonefide religious lunatics who believe that their salvation comes after the rest of the world is destroyed – and who are working hard towards that end.

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    27th August 2012 at 3:43 pm

  44. Barbarossa says:

    Obama OK’d use of tactical nukes in 2010. They’ll need them in Iran.

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    27th August 2012 at 3:49 pm

  45. Administrator says:

    PSYCHOTIC NEIGHBOR!!!!!!!!!

    Iran is 6,000 fucking miles from the U.S. across multiple oceans. Are they really a neighbor??????

    Has Iran threatened to attack the U.S. mainland? I haven’t heard that one. Are you terrified of their Navy and Air Force launching a surprise attack. LMFAO!!!!

    YOU said we should bomb them with B-52s. You actually think bombing someone is not considered an invasion. What alternate planet are you living on?

    You are losing it sweetheart.

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    27th August 2012 at 3:50 pm

  46. Muck About says:

    @HZK: Don’t them get you down! Keep on keeping on.

    @maddie’s mom: Thanks for the check up. I’m still getting kicked around by Admin and AWD about making a timing prediction for a war back on April 1st which didn’t happen. (I wasn’t joking either).

    MA

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    27th August 2012 at 4:17 pm

  47. Hope@ZeroKelvin says:

    The globe is very small and getting smaller, Jimbo, it is increasingly easier to “reach out and touch some one”.

    Especially when the Insanians are developing long range missiles in cahoots with that South American loony Chavez., missiles that are capable of reaching the US mainland either from Venezuala or from a ship out to sea.

    Why would Iran broadcast their intentions to attack the US? The first rule of warfare is to SURPRISE your enemy, so no, I do not think that if they are so suicidal to attack the US, they are gonna brag about it. Israel is another story. The Insanians really really really hate the state of Israel and it is within striking distance. The other part of that calculation is the increasing isolation of Israel in the world, led by Obama, the Insanians feel emboldened to go that route.

    I’m not saying that Iran is going to “invade” us, or do a Pearl Harbor, thus we must strike them for that reason,. again, a D for reading comprehension.

    I’m just saying that Iran CANNOT be allowed to have a nuclear weapon and the results to deter that at the moment are just limp dick.

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    27th August 2012 at 4:39 pm

  48. FBD says:

    “Just fire up the B52s and bomb the living shit out of Tehran, that’s my advice.” — HZK

    “Never said ONE iota about invading another country” — HZK

    .
    And the nominee for the 2012 George Orwell Doublespeak Award is ………….
    ………………. Batshitcrazy@ZeroKelvin !! Hip hip Hooooorah!!

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    27th August 2012 at 4:49 pm

  49. Zarathustra says:

    Too much bait, so little time…

    I’ll just paste about the only sane post from the comment section


    Rj Harris · Top Commenter · Works at RJ Harris · 138 subscribers
    I have served in the Army National Guard for 22 years. I am an officer and been deployed 4 times to fight for this Republic and I have been alerted a 5th time set for 2014–which will get moved up if Romney wins and we invade Iran as he has all but promised–and my wife, five children and I agree with Matt and Jason…you know the two young men you chicken-hawks are bashing on this tread. Those of you thinking that all this can be solved by invading or bombing Iran should be THE FIRST to have a rifle shoved in your hands I don’t care how old you are or what your gender is. The US military exists to defend THIS country and OUR people and I am sick and tired of people like you thinking you can make us fight for everyone else but our own people and our own freedom. This nation is past bankrupt nearly $100T in debt and some of you want to keep borrowing from our grandchildren to fight more wars which have NOTHING to do with defending this nation! WAKE UP! Besides that, after 22 years of being on the sharp end of this broken foreign policy I can tell you first hand that all of it has made us weaker not stronger. What would have made us stronger would have been following the foreign policy of our Founding Fathers…strength at home and in international waters; peace and commerce with all nations abroad. We should be fully funding the National Guard and training it for full spectrum operations NOT for counter insurgencies in other countries. We should be putting up a fully operational naval and space based missile interception system to shoot down any Iranian missiles the moment they launch and only promising massive retaliation if they launch first. Hey we won the Cold War with that same strategy against a Nation 100 times more powerful than Iran so why should we change up a winning play now? It is blatantly obvious that Iran and its allies are trying to goad Israel into a fight and they want Israel to hit first so they can have clean hands. The 100m life question is…will Israel fall for it? Or will Israel continue to beef up its defensive systems, missile defenses and intelligence operations and let the blow hards blow so the rest of us don’t have to live through WWIII? The message OUGHT to be that if Iran puts ONE BOOT, or bullet, across the Israeli border, then and ONLY THEN, will hell on earth be unleashed against it.”

    PS, HZK, shame on you for wishing genocide on the most pro-american people in that part of the world. Coming from a doctor it is especially pathetic.

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    27th August 2012 at 4:51 pm

  50. Zarathustra says:

    I disagree with the above comment that Iran wants Israel to strike first. When Ahmedinejad talks about ending the zionist regime, he isn’t talking to the zionist regime but rather to his own base. Same with McCain (and Romney, for that matter).

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    27th August 2012 at 4:55 pm

  51. Zarathustra says:

    HZK, either use your passport and spend a few weeks in Iran or just STFU about it. It is obvious you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

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    27th August 2012 at 4:57 pm

  52. Administrator says:

    Why is it OK for Pakistan and North Korea to have nuclear weapons and not Iran?

    Are they more stable?

    Are they less crazy?

    Why do we decide who is allowed to have nuclear weapons?

    Iran knows that if they ever fired a nuclear weapon, they’d be obliterated in minutes. You really believe that is what the leadership of Iran wants? REALLY???

    If they wanted to be obliterated for Allah they could launch conventional missiles TODAY at Israel, Saudi Arabia and our fleet in the Gulf.

    Why haven’t they done so? Please explain.

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    27th August 2012 at 4:58 pm

  53. Bizarro World says:

    Who did Jesus ever bomb?

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    27th August 2012 at 5:02 pm

  54. Zarathustra says:

    This is how to defeat the chickenhawks.

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    27th August 2012 at 5:04 pm

  55. Barbarossa says:

    Israel has nuclear weapons so it should be OK for us to nuke em. Then let’s nuke North Korea, Pakistan, India, China, Russia, France, and the U. K. – they’re all run by psycopaths. Oh yeah, let’s nuke us too – we’re run by psycopaths too.

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    27th August 2012 at 5:07 pm

  56. ecliptix543 says:

    I like the new term ‘Insanians’… along the same lines, during the Olympics I heard one of the babbling idiots misspeak about the Israeli team, calling them ‘Israelians’ (Israel/aliens). There was an extended uncomfortable silence on air but I was laughing my ass off and have decided to use the term from here on out. Fuck the joos and their warmongering.

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    27th August 2012 at 5:09 pm

  57. FBD says:

    Folks, do NOT believe the bullshit being spread by HZK.

    Think about it. She wants to bomb Iran based on what SHE believes OTHERS believe!!! “I think you think this, so I better bomb you.” Is this not sheer lunacy? Yes, it is.

    Think about this example. USA is dominated by Christian beliefs, which hasthe book of Revelation, which teaches that Jesus is coming back, but first the earth must be virtually destroyed. Ronald Reagan even joked about Armageddon. Keeping in mind we are the only nation to haved nuked another country … why shouldn’t Russia go ahead and nuke us crazy religionists? That’s exactly what HZK is saying.

    Besides, what evidence does she have that the Mullah rulers sincerely believe the religious nonsense they spew? None. In fact, I’m betting the “Twelfth Imam” fables serve the identical purpose that Christian fables serve …………. to control the people, to have power over them via fear and hatred.

    Even George Carlin realized this. To bad HZK can’t stop watching Fox News.

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    27th August 2012 at 5:12 pm

  58. Zarathustra says:

    Here is something to think about, for those who are capable of doing it. The reason the Iranian people accepted the theocracy in the first place was to prevent their daughters from growing up like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton or Madonna. That is how evil they are.

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    27th August 2012 at 5:25 pm

  59. IndenturedServant says:

    I believe that most Iranians, like most humans are decent people. On occasion I correspond with a few Iranian amateur astronomers. Vast areas of Iran are largely uninhabited. Areas that are sparsely inhabited are rarely modernized. I’m always envious of their astonishingly dark skies. With no light pollution for hundreds of miles in any direction, it must be spectacular!

    I wish we could permanently chain together all of the political and religious extremists in the world so that they are forced to work together or perish. I really don’t give a shit what happens to them actually, as long as the rest of us can be left to live our lives in peace.
    I_S

    PS Cut HZK some slack. She is just fed up with the bullshit as we all are. Even I have considered turning the entire ME into a sheet of glass at one time or another. If we had a honest media doing their job of informing the population, then perhaps we could all form better opinions and decisions.

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    27th August 2012 at 5:29 pm

  60. flash says:

    Zara, you right wing evangelical nut.

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    Support the sluts in getting out the pro-uterus vote.This Republic cannot survive without the freedom to purge a uterus when one is two stupid to use free birth control.

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    27th August 2012 at 5:36 pm

  61. Zarathustra says:

    Those evil fucking Iranians. How dare they!!

    “Iran opens nonaligned summit with calls for nuclear arms ban.

    TEHRAN, Iran — Iran opened a world gathering of self-described nonaligned nations Sunday with a slap at the U.N. Security Council and an appeal to rid the world of nuclear weapons, even as Tehran faces Western suspicions that it is seeking its own atomic bombs.

    Iran seeks to use the weeklong gathering — capped by a two-day summit of Non-Aligned Movement leaders — as a showcase of its global ties and efforts to challenge the influence of the West and its allies. Among those expected to attend include U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the prime minister of India, Manmohan Singh, whose nation remains an important Iranian oil customer as Tehran battles Western sanctions over its nuclear program.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-opens-nonaligned-summit-with-calls-for-nuclear-arms-ban/2012/08/26/4c363ec2-ef63-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_story.html

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    27th August 2012 at 5:37 pm

  62. Jesus, Son of God says:

    My dear child, Bizzaro World

    I heard your prayer request, “Who did Jesus ever bomb?”

    Good question. The answer is “nobody”. Yet.

    But my prophet pal, Zechariah, made this prediction (which I inspired, of course); “the flesh of every one shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall melt in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.”

    What does that sound like to ya? Huh? That’s right. The A-bomb. Most people can’t wait until I return. But they wouldn’t if they realized how fucking pissed off I am.

    Iran will be the 80th country I nuke. (I’m going alphabetically as it appears in wikipedia). My people, the Joos, are 83rd. Anyway, hope that answers your question.

    I AM Peace and Love,

    .
    PS; If you don’t stop wacking off ten times a day, your weenie will consume away in its socket. And it won’t be my fault either.

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    27th August 2012 at 5:41 pm

  63. Bizarro World says:

    Where the evil doers and vigilantes proclaim to be doing Gods work by killing one another.

    May they one day succeed and allow the peaceful the sanity they have so longed for and require.

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    27th August 2012 at 5:50 pm

  64. The Real Deal says:

    I AM Peace and Love,

    Your a hypocrite that gets off by peeping into peoples bedrooms and proclaiming that you are doing Gods work when they fact is you are looking for young nude children. Go back to your Bizarro World Satan.

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    27th August 2012 at 5:53 pm

  65. SSS says:

    “HZK and SSS agree that Iran will be bombed by Israel.”
    —-AWD

    I didn’t say that, AWD. I said “Israel will strike IF it has solid intelligence that Iran’s nuclear program is nearing fruition. It has done so in the past to Iraq and Syria, and it will do so again.”

    Let me add this. Israel will NOT tip its hand to the U.S. beforehand if it decides to strike Iran. It didn’t do so with Iraq when Reagan was president, and it didn’t do so with Syria when Bush Jr was president. With Obummer in office and Netanyahu not exactly his best buddy, you can take it to the bank that Israel will run a strike against Iran in a unilateral, total blackout mode. The U.S. will find out after the first Israeli bunker busters hit the nuclear facilities.

    One more thing. This whole mess is between Israel and Iran. All the weeping and gnashing of teeth won’t make it go away. And there’s NOT ONE FUCKING THING the U.S. can do to stop it, whatever “it” turns out to be.

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    27th August 2012 at 6:01 pm

  66. Jesus, Son of God says:

    The Real Deal (a.k.a Fake Jesus Hypocrite)

    I’m sorry I gave you shit for brains.

    What me and my Dad (JHVH) think about you;
    JesusThinksURAdumbass.jpg

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    27th August 2012 at 6:11 pm

  67. FBD says:

    SSS

    Pray tell … what is “solid intelligence”? Isn’t that the same as “bullshit propoganda”?

    Many in Israel … including high ranking GENERALS … do not believe Iran is a threat. Will Netanjerkoff believe THAT intel? No. He’ll believe whatever bullsit intel suits his own desire to bomb.
    .
    .
    How do you know Israel did not inform Reagan regarding Iraq? You are somehow aware of EVERY communication between two heads of state??
    .
    .
    The shortest route from Israel to Iran is across Iraq. So I guess the Joo planes will cross Iraq unimpeded by US warplanes? Is that what you’re saying? Other routes will require mid air refueling … and I don’t believe Israel has that capability … plus they’d have to avoid air defenses of other countries. Or, maybe they’ll fly up the Gulf without any of our aircraft carriers there noticing, or caring? Yup. All sounds pretty plausible to me.

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    27th August 2012 at 6:28 pm

  68. FBD says:

    “US or Israel, the only two powers on the planet left to kick some righteous ass.” — HZK

    We’re Number One!!
    We’re Number One!!
    We’re Number One!!

    I guess the other two countries aligned with Iran don’t count. One has thousands of nukes. The other has hundreds of nukes and a billion plus people.

    Russia and China. Bunch of pussies we don’t have to worry about.

    We’re Number One!!
    We’re Number One!!
    We’re Number One!!

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    27th August 2012 at 6:35 pm

  69. FBD says:

    “Bombing does not equal invading” — HZK

    Jeebus Effing Krist.

    Jim!! Admin!! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I can argue with illogic. I can not argue with stupid. I’m done. You take over … if you dare.

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    27th August 2012 at 6:42 pm

  70. Zarathustra says:

    HZK writes “If you think the Insanians run such a great country, go live there. Let us all know how wonderful I’m sure it will be.”

    Truthfully I’m tempted. Wonderful friendly english-speaking (in urban areas) people. The IRS and other manifestations of the US police state can’t touch you there. Watching with a combination of horror and fascination, the complete destruction of the US economy and society from the balcony of an airy bungalow overlooking the Caspian Sea wouldn’t be the worst fate.

    PS, If you think it is even possible for Iran to dismantle its’ nuclear program you are delusional. This isn’t Iraq or Syria. Iran has multiple nuclear reactors currently in operation in four cities, not to mention its’ perfectly legal mines and enrichment facilities. Israel is just going to have to learn to live with it. Should one day they actually work on acquiring a weapon, we will know about it almost immediately.

    A thinking person understands that the sanctions and Likud and neocon warmongering has nothing to do with Iran’s nuclear development but rather it is intended to weaken Iran both politically and economically with the ultimate aim of splitting it into several smaller nations based on ethnicity, just as they are doing in Syria and essentially did in Iraq.

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    27th August 2012 at 6:54 pm

  71. SSS says:

    “@SSS: The nuclear facilities are a hard target, the oil refineries are not.”
    —-Hope

    Thanks for the info. After spending 24 years in the Air Force and specializing in air-land warfare, I would have never guessed that.

    Israel will not spend its precious, limited military resources going after Iranian oil refineries, regardless of how “easy” it would be to go after such soft targets. Israel will hit the nuke facilities, which are THE threat. Period.

    And it will use everything it has to destroy those targets. Air-to-air fighters, air-to-ground fighters, aerial tankers, Wild Weasels (to neutralize Iranian ground-to-air defenses), AWACs (Airborne Warning and Control aircraft), drones, decoys, you name it. Everything but the kitchen sink will be launched if it is useful in accomplishing the mission.

    And you can bet Netanyahu has already been briefed, thoroughly. If he switches on the green light, it’s over. A done deal. As Admin likes to say, “Look out below!!!!”

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    27th August 2012 at 6:56 pm

  72. FBD says:

    Iran as HZK wants you to see it.
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQu4xqmvHQbDrmG-CPlKYIvysxxkXQ0-rD2qh1_nV6qKVRnZfSH

    Iranians shopping in Tehran.
    iranians_in_the_rain.jpg

    Fact is … BOTH are correct. But that wouldn’t fit HZK’s agenda of hate and fear.

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    27th August 2012 at 6:56 pm

  73. Bizarro World says:

    “Bombing does not equal invading” — HZK

    Who did Jesus bomb or invade or kill or maim or cause to be ill?

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    27th August 2012 at 7:02 pm

  74. FBD says:

    “Math! It’s so fucking hard to understand!” — HZK

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    27th August 2012 at 7:06 pm

  75. FBD says:

    “Math! It’s so fucking hard to understand!” — HZK

    “200 is greater than 0″ — FBD

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    israel2020020nukes.gif?w=477&h=433

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    27th August 2012 at 7:08 pm

  76. Bizarro World says:

    All numbers are infinite.

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    27th August 2012 at 7:08 pm

  77. SSS says:

    FBD

    Answers to your questions in caps.

    Pray tell … what is “solid intelligence”? WHATEVER ISRAELI OFFICIALS DETERMINE IT TO BE. IF THOSE OFFICIALS BELIEVE THE INTELLIGENCE IS GOOD ENOUGH TO ATTACK, THEY WILL. AND YOU CAN BE DAMN WELL CERTAIN THAT THEY WILL NOT SHARE ANY OF THE DETAILS AFTER THEY DO ATTACK.

    Many in Israel … including high ranking GENERALS … do not believe Iran is a threat. SO WHAT? Will Netanjerkoff believe THAT intel? No. He’ll believe whatever bullsit intel suits his own desire to bomb. AGAIN, SO WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU OR OBUMMER OR ANYONE ELSE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT EXCEPT MOUTH OFF?

    How do you know Israel did not inform Reagan regarding Iraq? You are somehow aware of EVERY communication between two heads of state?? IF ISRAEL DID INFORM REAGAN, IT’S STILL CLASSIFIED, SO I DON’T KNOW FOR SURE. ISRAEL DID NOT TELL BUSH ABOUT THE SYRIA ATTACK. THAT’S BEEN CONFIRMED PUBLICALLY.

    The shortest route from Israel to Iran is across Iraq. I ALREADY SAID THAT WITH MY FIRST COMMENT. So I guess the Joo planes will cross Iraq unimpeded by US warplanes? YES. Is that what you’re saying? YES. Other routes will require mid air refueling … and I don’t believe Israel has that capability. ISRAEL HAS SEVEN KC-135 AERIAL REFUELING TANKERS, MORE THAN ENOUGH TO SUPPORT A MASSIVE STRIKE FORCE GOING INTO IRAN.

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    27th August 2012 at 7:16 pm

  78. matt says:

    Netayahoo needs to be silenced, he is such a dick. My predicition: no one does shit, end of story. I hope that’s not too boring.

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    27th August 2012 at 7:17 pm

  79. FBD says:

    Bizzaro World

    Are you eating Chinese fortune cookies? You’re answers sure sound like it.

    Trying stringing along, oh, 3 or 4 sentences in a row. You might like it.

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    27th August 2012 at 7:36 pm

  80. FBD says:

    SSS

    Thanks for your answers. I still disagree. It is inconceivable to me that Israel would, or could, pull this off on their own.

    As you said — what can we do about it? Nothing. And why is that? Because Israel has nukes. You can’t bully a country with nukes.

    And THAT, sir, is the real reason for wanting to bomb Iran. It has nothing to do with them being crazy enough to launch one or two nukes against Israel with 200+ nukes. It has everything to do with controlling them, to get them to do what WE and Israel want them to do, without fear of reprisal.

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    27th August 2012 at 7:47 pm

  81. llpoh says:

    SSS says “and the Jordanian Air Force will sit on its hands”. He mis-spelled sit, I think.

    Z says: “When Ahmedinejad talks about ending the zionist regime, he isn’t talking to the zionist regime but rather to his own base.” Maybe that is true. However, when someone threatens to annihilate you or kill you, may be it is wise to take them seriously. A lot of folks have died making the assumption that the commenters were not serious.

    I agree with SSS’s position on this thing – Israel/Netanyahu will do what ever it is he wants based on however he interprets the intel. US will have no part to play before the fact, and needs to stay the hell out of it.

    Again, many lives have been lost interpretting intel incorrectly. If Iran gets the bomb, and Israel decides that they will not use it, and are wrong, they are history. So, I suspect that they will er on the side of not being history. They as a group decided Hitler was not serious, and the rsult was catastrophic. Their psyches have been formed by this error in judgement, and I do not think they will take too many risks re Iran getting the bomb.

    But not my business – they will do what they think best for themselves, and the rest of the world will have to deal with that when the time comes.

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    27th August 2012 at 8:03 pm

  82. FBD says:

    llpoh

    What is the probability — in your humble opinion — that the United States will “stay the hell out of it”?

    Me … I’m guessing 0.

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    27th August 2012 at 8:15 pm

  83. Administrator says:

    HZK

    As soon as WE remove the insane leaders of Iran all will be well.

    Where have I heard that before?

    Do you even realize you are are Cheney-Wolfowitz-Rumsfeld Neo-Con?

    You rail against deficit spending and the evil and incompetence of our government and in the next breath you want to spend another $3 trillion on a war with Iran waged by an incompetent military machine that has already lost two wars in the Middle East in the last ten years.

    You rationalize the existence of nukes in Pakistan and North Korea with some bullshit rationale. Why the fuck don’t we bomb the shit out of the Pakis and the Koreans?

    You continually trip over your ridiculous arguments and claim you aren’t putting forth the same solutions as the Cheney gang.

    You’re a pip.

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    27th August 2012 at 8:34 pm

  84. Administrator says:

    SSS

    Do you believe there will be any unintended consequences from attacking Iran?

    Do you believe it will benefit the American people?

    Do you believe attacking Iran will make the American people safer?

    Do you believe attacking Iran will benefit our economy?

    I’d love to hear your thoughts.

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    27th August 2012 at 8:39 pm

  85. Ron says:

    I dont like jew bashing or Christian bashing.But if i met you i would do skull bashing.
    They dont spend billions positioning men and ships for knothing.Well then again the government is run badly.
    The obama Iran war would be a great diversion from all our problems,before the other problems start.
    I still say it well happen soon for the resulting fuel spikes and riots wich enable martial law and Obama staying in power.It would also give him unlimited powers to change things.What more could he want?

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    27th August 2012 at 8:40 pm

  86. FBD says:

    Admin

    It’s about goddamn time you showed up here. Why do I always have to do the heavy lifting?

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    27th August 2012 at 8:41 pm

  87. Administrator says:

    FBD

    Avalon made me go to the YMCA to work out. Sorry that I’m trying to live a couple years longer.

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    27th August 2012 at 8:42 pm

  88. crazyivan says:

    “@Admin: No, neither the NKs nor the Pakistanis should have nuclear weapons. Those governments are also headed by certifiable nutcases.” -hzk

    At least they are certifiable. Our leader doesn’t even have a real birth certificate to show us.

    Not trying to misdirect here, but our leaders are none better than the worst on the planet.

    The strong over the weak… the strong all act the same and the weak all follow the same.

    Human nature?

    Nah. Mother nature.

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    27th August 2012 at 8:43 pm

  89. FBD says:

    Admin at the Y:

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    27th August 2012 at 8:51 pm

  90. llpoh says:

    FBD – I have no idea if the US will stay out or not. No reason the couldn’t. Just say no.

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    27th August 2012 at 8:53 pm

  91. Zarathustra says:

    Thank god our beloved Ally Israel treats people equally and justly, unlike those vicious Iranians.

    The Rise of Settler Terrorism in the West Bank
    August 16, 2012| News | John Glaser
    From Foreign Affairs:

    According to UN investigations, in 2011, extremist settlers launched almost 300 attacks on Palestinian property, causing over 100 Palestinian casualties and destroying or damaging about 10,000 trees of Palestinian farmers. The UN has also reported that violent incidents against Palestinians have proliferated, rising from 200 attacks in 2009 to over 400 in 2011. The spike in assaults on Palestinians by settlers has come despite the fact that over the same period, Palestinian terrorism fell dramatically.

    …The Israeli government does not support or condone settler violence, but it has failed to adequately combat it. Soldiers have been known to look on as violence occurs, and they sometimes do not aggressively seek the perpetrators after the fact. According to Yesh Din, an Israeli human rights organization, of 781 incidents of settler abuse monitored since 2005, Israeli authorities closed the cases on over 90 percent of them without indictment.

    Perhaps there is an argument to be made that the fact that Israeli authorities systematically ignore and pardon settler violence doesn’t necessarily equate “support” for it. But that is a weak argument. And it’s even weaker when you consider that Israeli policy purposely incentivizes Israelis to live in the West Bank. Under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ‘s policies over the last three years tens of thousands more Israelis have moved into the West Bank, causing the Jewish population in Palestinian territory to increase by 18 percent to more than 342,000 at the end of 2011. Israeli spending on these illegal settlements has hit a two-decade high of $1.1 billion. This, while Tel Aviv is well aware of the rise in settler violence.

    That certainly sounds like support to me.

    http://antiwar.com/blog/page/2/

    If I recall correctly, we bombed the fuck out of Serbia for doing this shit.

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    27th August 2012 at 9:06 pm

  92. llpoh says:

    John Glaser, reporter for Anti-war News blog. Gee, and I bet he hasn’t got a slanted viewpoint.

    For fuck sake, Z, don’t you vet your sources? Or do you just hide them?

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    27th August 2012 at 9:09 pm

  93. Zarathustra says:

    llpoh, I agree. Foreign Affairs is a highly biased publication.

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    27th August 2012 at 9:12 pm

  94. llpoh says:

    Sorry Z – I see you do post your source – antiwar.com, at the end. My bad.

    So I will just ridicule you for using such a slanted source.

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    27th August 2012 at 9:13 pm

  95. Zarathustra says:

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    27th August 2012 at 9:15 pm

  96. Wyoming Mike says:

    Hope – Sorry, Iran is a sovereign nation and we’ve been fucking with them for 60 years. If someone stole your lunch money every day for 60 YEARS you might be a little pissed too. Also, how would they get it here – the Nina, Pinta, or Santa Maria??

    Gotta get back to pissing off Republicans. Love to all.

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    27th August 2012 at 9:27 pm

  97. Zarathustra says:

    llpoh, don’t be a fucking idiot. Glaser is a journalist and antiwar.com does publish his opinion pieces. He is also a staffer and they also publish lots of shit from other sources. Put on your glasses and look closely:

    The Rise of Settler Terrorism in the West Bank
    August 16, 2012| News | John Glaser
    From Foreign Affairs:

    Apology accepted.

    PS, Antiwar.com is a wonderful site. Ron Paul tells his staffers to read it daily.

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    27th August 2012 at 9:32 pm

  98. Administrator says:

    Guest Post: The Endless War: Saudi Arabia Goes On The Offensive Against Iran

    Submitted by Felix Imonti of OilPrice.com,

    Saudi Arabia has gone on the offensive against Iran to protect its interests. Their involvement in Syria is the first battle in what is going to be a long bloody conflict that will know no frontiers or limits.

    Ongoing Disorders in the island kingdom of Bahrain since February of 2011 have set off alarm bells in Riyadh. The Saudis are convinced that Iran is directing the protests and fear that the problems will spill over the twenty-five kilometer long COSWAY into oil rich Al-Qatif, where The bulk of the two million Shia in the kingdom are concentrated. So far, the Saudis have not had to deal with demonstrations a serious as those in Bahrain, but success in the island kingdom could encourage the protestors to become more violent.

    Protecting the oil is the first concern of the government. Oil is the sole source of the national wealth and it is managed by the state owned Saudi Aramco Corporation. The monopoly of political power by the members of the Saud family means that all of the wealth of the kingdom is their personal property. Saudi Arabia is a company country with the twenty-eight million citizens the responsibility of the Saud Family rulers.

    The customary manner of dealing with a problem by the patriarchal regime is to bury it in money. King Abdullah announced at the height of the Arab Spring that he was increasing the national budget by 130 billion dollars to be spent over the coming five years. Government salaries and the minimum wage were raised. New housing and other benefits are to be provided. At the same time, he plans to expand the security forces by sixty thousand men.

    While the Saudi king seeks to sooth the unrest among the general population by adding more government benefits, he will not grant any concessions to the eight percent of the population that is Shia. He takes seriously the warning by King Abdullah of Jordan back in 2004 of the danger of a Shia Crescent that would extend from the coast of Lebanon to Afghanistan. Hezbollah in Lebanon, Assad in Syria, and the Shia controlled government of Iraq form the links in the chain.

    When the Arab Spring reached Syria, the leaders in Riyadh were given the weapon to break the chain. Appeals from tribal leaders under attack in Syria to kinsmen in the Gulf States for assistance could not be ignored. The various blinks between the Gulf States in several Syrian tribes means that Saudi Arabia and its close ally Qatar have connections that include at least three million people out of the Syrian populations of twenty-three million. To show how deep the bonds go, the leader of the Nijris Tribe in Syria is married to a woman from the Saud Family.

    It is no wonder that Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal said in February that arming the Syrian rebels was an “excellent idea.” He was supported by Qatari Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani who said, “We should do whatever necessary to help [the Syrian opposition], including giving them weapons to defend themselves.” The intervention has the nature of a family and tribal issue that the prominent Saudi cleric Aidh al-Qarni has turned into a Sunni-Shia War by promoting Assad’s death.

    The Saudis and their Qatar and United Arab Emirate allies have pledged one hundred million dollars to pay wages to the fighters. Many of the officers of the Free Syrian Army are from tribes connected to the Gulf. In effect, the payment of wages is paying members of associated tribes.

    Here, the United States is not a welcomed partner, except as a supplier of arms. Saudi Arabia sees the role of the United States limited to being a wall of steel to protect the oil wealth of the Kingdom and the Gulf States from Iranian aggression. In February of 1945, President Roosevelt at a meeting in Egypt with Abdel Aziz bin Saud, the founder of modern Saudi Arabia, pledged to defend the kingdom in exchange for a steady flow of oil.

    Since those long ago days when the U.S. was establishing Pax Americana, the Saudis have lost their trust in the wisdom or the reliability of American policy makers. The Saudis urged the U.S. not to invade Iraq in 2003 only to have them ignore Saudi interests in maintaining an Iraqi buffer zone against Iran. The Saudis had asked the U.S. not to leave a Shia dominated government in Baghdad that would threaten the Northern frontier of the Kingdom, only to have the last American soldiers depart in December 2011. With revolution sweeping across the Middle East, Washington abandoned President Mubarak of Egypt, Saudi Arabia’s favorite non royal leader in the region.

    Worried by the possibility of Iranian sponsored insurrections among Shia in the Gulf States, the Saudis are asserting their power in the region while they have the advantage. For thirty years, they have been engaged in a proxy war with the Islamic Republic of Iran. Syria is to be the next battlefield, but here, there is a critical difference from what were minor skirmishes in Lebanon, Yemen, and elsewhere. The Saudis with the aid of Qatar, and the UAE is striking at the core interests of Tehran; and they have through their tribal networks the advantage over an isolated Islamic Republic.

    Tribal and kinship relations are being augmented by the infusion of the Salafi vision of Islam that is growing in the Gulf States. Money from the Gulf States has gone into the development of religious centers to spread the fundamentalist belief. A critical part of the ideology is to be anti-Shia.

    Salafism in Saudi Arabia is promulgated by the Wahhabi School of Islam. The Wahhabi movement began in the eighteenth century and promoted a return to the fundamentalism of the early followers of the Faith.

    The Sauds incorporated the religious movement into their leadership of the tribes. When the modern state of Saudi Arabia was formed, they were granted control of the educational system and much else in the society in exchange for the endorsement of the authoritarian rule.

    When the Kingdom used its growing wealth in the 1970s to extend its interests far from the traditional territory in the battle against the atheistic Soviet Union, the Wahhabi clergy became missionaries in advancing their ideology through religious institutions to oppose the Soviets. More than two hundred thousand jihadists were sent into Afghanistan to fight the Soviet forces and succeeded in driving them out.

    There is no longer a Soviet Union to confront. Today, the enemy is the Islamic Republic of Iran with what is described by the Wahhabis as a heretical form of Islam and its involvement in the Shia communities across the region. For thirteen centuries, the Shia have been kept under control. With the hand of Iran in the form of the Qud Force reaching into restless communities that number as many as one hundred and six million people in what is the heart of the Middle East, the Saudis see a desperate need to crush the foe before it has the means to pull down the privileged position of the Saud Family and the families of the other Gulf State rulers.

    The war begins in Syria where we can expect that a successor government to Assad will be declared soon in the Saudi controlled tribal areas even before Assad is defeated. The territory is likely to adopt the more fundamentalist principals of the Salafists as it serves as a stepping stone to Iran Itself. It promises to be a bloody protracted war that will recognize no frontier and will know no limits by all of the participants.

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    27th August 2012 at 9:42 pm

  99. llpoh says:

    Z – I do not find Glaser has written for Foreign Affairs. Google search shows no such relationship. I suspect from foreign Affairs refers to their department, not the magazine.

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    27th August 2012 at 9:48 pm

  100. FBD says:

    Admin

    The fat man exercising pic was posted by a doppleganger.

    I’ve been doppleganged several times today. I do not like it.

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    27th August 2012 at 10:05 pm

  101. Administrator says:

    FBD

    It was that prick llpoh.

    I should have known you wouldn’t do such a vile thing.

    llpoh knows no bounds.

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    27th August 2012 at 10:08 pm

  102. llpoh says:

    :)

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    27th August 2012 at 10:18 pm

  103. SSS says:

    Questions from Admin (thanks for asking) ……… my replies in caps.

    SSS

    Do you believe there will be any unintended consequences from attacking Iran? OF COURSE. MOSTLY NEGATIVE FOR THE U.S., EVEN IF WE ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THE ATTACK IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

    Do you believe it will benefit the American people? NO. SEE ABOVE. IT WILL GREATLY BENEFIT ISRAEL, IF IT MANAGES TO DESTROY IRAN’S NUCLEAR FACILITIES.

    Do you believe attacking Iran will make the American people safer? NO. REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME, IT WILL MAKE AMERICANS AND AMERICAN INTERESTS LESS SAFE, MOSTLY ABROAD, BUT POSSIBLY EVEN HERE AT HOME. IRAN IS NOT WITHOUT RESOURCES TO MAKE US PAY, WHETHER OR NOT WE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ATTACK.

    Do you believe attacking Iran will benefit our economy? NO. IT WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT, ESPECIALLY IF IRAN MOVES AGAINST THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ.

    Now then, as I’ve said in the past on this site, this is an issue of national survival for Israel. Israeli leaders would agree with what I’ve just told you above. They are well aware of the negative impact that an Israeli attack on Iran would have on the U.S. AND ISRAEL Everyone on this site knows how well the Israelis are plugged into the American political system.

    Doesn’t matter to the Israeli leaders. Let me say it again. National SURVIVAL. Game over if Netanyahu, his cabinet and advisors, the Mossad, and the IDF see the intelligence information in that light. Israel will attack.

    As you are fond of saying, so solly. This one ain’t our call.

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    27th August 2012 at 11:50 pm

  104. Anonymous says:

    SSS – people don’t want to hear that so you will get thumbs downed. Good points. I agree with you. That will cause you some more trouble.

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    27th August 2012 at 11:55 pm

  105. Zarathustra says:

    SSS, please explain how Iran threatens Israel’s “national survival.” I’m all ears.

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    27th August 2012 at 12:34 am

  106. crazyivan says:

    RP’s swan song.

    Best I ever saw of him.

    We are the Future rally speech at USF SunDome in Tampa Florida (without Rand’s intro)

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    27th August 2012 at 12:34 am

  107. SSS says:

    Zara said, “SSS, please explain how Iran threatens Israel’s “national survival.” I’m all ears.”

    Simple. Israel is living in a region of people who want to destroy the Jewish nation since 1948. The Arabs have tried it over and over again. Hasn’t worked, and Israel is just a little more than paranoid about the issue. Now it’s Iran’s turn to give it a shot. Get it?

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    27th August 2012 at 1:33 am

  108. Zarathustra says:

    SSS, a few questions then.

    1. Do you believe the Iranian government is rational?

    2. Given that Israel has a second strike capability with its submarines, do you believe the Iranian government is suicidal?

    3. Do you believe (or think the Israeli government believes) that Iran would sacrifice millions of their citizens in a nuclear exchange and see its major cities in ruins simply to destroy Israel?

    4. Given that Supreme Leader Ali Khamanei has issued a fatwa against the possession of nuclear weapons do you believe he would be proven a liar by authorizing their development?

    5. Do you believe Iran would nuke the Palestinians and destroy the Dome of the Rock mosque which is the third most holy site in Islam?

    6. If the Iranian mullahs want to initiate a second holocaust, why doesn’t it start with its’ own Jewish population?

    7. Israel is a dangerous parasite on the US, bent on territorial expansion at any cost, a threat to world peace and Netanyahu is a major league asshole. Yes or No.

    8. Israel has no intention of ever agreeing to an independent Palestinian state. Yes or No.

    I look forward to your answers.

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    27th August 2012 at 2:11 am

  109. Llpoh says:

    Z. You aren’t looking forward to his answers so cut the crap. Your questions are set to promote your own point of view.

    My answers to those are 1, hell no, 2, Israel isn’t interested in no frigging second strike option. By that time they are history, 3, yes, 4, yes, 5, not talking about Jews so much as state of Isreal, 6, if those are the only answers, no, but to the individual points of the question, yes re parasite, no re expansion at any cost, no re threat to world peace, tho their actions re self- protection may be, and yes, Netanyahu is an asshole, but doesn’t mean he is wrong about Iran’s threat to Israel.

    You really do not get it. Israel will act in what it perceives to be its best interests. Iran doesn’t believe Israel has the right to exist. Israel won’t just roll over and die, so war it may be. But I believe given half a chance that the Israelis are a peace loving people. They have pretty good reason to be paranoid – people are out to get them.

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    27th August 2012 at 2:25 am

  110. Zarathustra says:

    llpoh, I agree that Israel was looking to its’ own best interests when it attacked the USS Liberty and tried to murder its’ entire crew so that there would be no survivors in their attempt to draw us into the six day war by blaming the attack on the egyptians, while the outcome was still in doubt.

    PS, I’m still waiting for one of you israeli apologists to explain this:

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    27th August 2012 at 2:55 am

  111. Zarathustra says:

    I’m bumping this thead because I just fucking feel like it.

    Admin wrote, “Where’s Zara when you need him. HZK’s posts are bordering on batshit crazy.”

    Zara responds, “Sorry. I can’t monitor this site 24/7.”

    I will add this…I won’t call neocons, and people who have absorbed the red pill where neo con foreign policy propaganda is concerned, but I have learned through experience that trying to turn them away from the dark side is as pointless and futile as convincing a progressive to embrace Austrian economics.

    Some battles just aren’t worth fighting. Fuck it and fuck them.

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    27th August 2012 at 1:37 am

  112. Zarathustra says:

    …I won’t call neocons, and people who have absorbed the red pill where neo con foreign policy propaganda is concerned stupid.

    Damn I wish there was an edit post function here.

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    27th August 2012 at 1:41 am

  113. Nonanonymous says:

    I don’t know which is worse, an Israeli apologist, or an Islamist one. Oh, wait, yes I do. Death to the Infidels!

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    27th August 2012 at 7:21 am

  114. Nonanonymous says:

    Don’t confuse that, however, with support for US foreign policy. I believe the US has it backwards, and take a hands off approach to foreign policy, much like they do now with Wall Street.

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    27th August 2012 at 7:25 am

  115. ThePessimisticChemist says:

    I’m going to kick this dead horse, but there is a bit too much fun left to be had methinks:

    SSS is right, Israel will do, what Israel will do, and will kill or maim any of our operatives with eyes on whats actually transpiring. Then, when China and Russia step in to slap them down they’ll come running back to the US crying foul.

    WWIII will look like this:

    “Good” Guys: US, Canada, Great Britain, EU, Australia, Israel and Saudi Arabia

    “Bad” Guys: Iran, China, Pakistan, Russia, Afghanistan and Syria

    I’m probably a bit off, but the heavy lifting will be done by US/Russia/China.

    The US will fall apart into separate warring confederacies long before the US populace realizes that policies predicated upon killing any up-and-coming competition (best defense is a good offense) are completely illogical, and a pathetic attempt to apply school yard problem solving to world politics.

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    27th August 2012 at 9:44 am

  116. ThePessimisticChemist says:

    PS: Can you imagine how badly a war in Asia against Russia and China would go for us? We’d get trounced so badly we’d have to give them Alaska and Hawaii just to pull out of the mess.

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    27th August 2012 at 9:48 am

  117. Hope@ZeroKelvin says:

    @Zara: Sorry, I will not be PC pussywhipped, guilted, slandered, straw-manned, whatever, into willfully blinding myself to what I perceive to be a mortal, existential threat. Nor will I join you in failing to DISCRIMINATE between the actions of an insane government versus the PEOPLE held hostage by it.

    The Iranian PEOPLE and the American PEOPLE actually have a lot in common: We are both held hostage by insane and dangerous governments.

    Theirs is a bunch of 7th Century savage barbaric religious nutcases (the Insanians). Ours is an evil and corrupt cabal composed of our financial, political and military elites (Repubs and Dems).

    They are kept in check by the whips wielded by the Basj mercenaries, Sharia Law and hordes of illiterate religious fundamentalists that are unleashed by the mullahs against anybody advocating any idea more current than the 7th century. We are held in check by 100K pages of the Federal Register and the Tax Code, lib-prog PC speech control, MSM propraganda, NSA fusion centers and the alphabet soup of security agencies.

    Both are brutal means of control, the only difference is in degree but not in kind. Both systems effectively limit liberty and freedom. Both systems subjugate the individual to the collective. Both systems are doomed to failure.

    Ron Paul tried to change our paradigm through a grass roots campaign, the ballot box and an appeal to common sense and rationality in a mistaken belief he was dealing with a civilized political structure. That he failed and was marginalized by TPTB is proof he was not. Ron Paul called for an end to the fed, limited government, an end to foreign adventuring, and a return to the principles of the Constitution. In effect, he was calling for regimen change. Would you call him a neo-con?

    Regime change is regime change whether it is via a B52 or the ballot box.

    The Insanians are immune to such blandishments, hence my B52 comment. If that offended any body, too bad. In war, you must understand your enemy. You must fight according to his rules or you will most assuredly die by them.

    RP is fatally wrong, IMHO, about not recognizing the threat of radical Islam, one front which is the Insanians. He fails to discriminate between the millions of Muslims that just wish to be left in peace from the radical Islamists bent on world domination through violence and war. Sorry, but the historical record is that Islam has been at war with everybody non-Islam since Mohammad and predates US involvement in the ME by centuries.

    (BTW: If you could introduce me to the Palestinians that wish to live in peace with their Jewish neighbors, recognize the Jewish state and be willing to renounce violence and murder to resolve their differences, great, and get them some better PR people. Cuz all we see in the West is the mobs screaming for the death of the Jewish state and the Jewish people, mothers dressing their children as AK14 wielding terrorists and Hamas tossing their political enemies off the tops of buildings. I just can’t get my mind around the FACT that the Palestinian “freedom fighters” have sent children with Down’s syndrome, grandmas and donkeys out as suicide bombers to kill the Israeli PEOPLE. Seems the Palestinians can’t discrminate between a government and its people neither, unless they don’t want a stand up fight with the IDF and the Mossad. Which I think they have come out the losers every time they haved tried it.)

    @THE REST OF YOU GUYS: At the end of the day, the entire ME conflict pales in insignificance to the impending global economic crash, so well chronicled by Jim.

    And here is the ultimate tragedy: Jim wants to give up this blog because he thinks he isn’t “reaching” people, namely me, I’m guessing by some of these comments. Good grief. Just because I, among millions, am waking up doesn’t mean I am leaving my critical thinking faculties behind!

    That is the blessing and the curse of unplugging people from The Matrix. They just might disagree with you! The glory of the internet, and of ths blog, is that we have, for the first time in history, a protected place to hash out these issues. And that, at the end of day, is what is REALLY important.

    FAMILY MEMBERS ARE OFF LIMITS, PERIOD. If you can’t discriminate between a person’s views and his family, you have NO PLACE ON THIS BLOG and are no better than the savages who indiscriminately kill innocent people when their beef is with their leaders.

    So come back Jim. We, the country, the world, need you.

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    27th August 2012 at 10:02 am

  118. ThePessimisticChemist says:

    “willfully blinding myself to what I perceive to be a mortal, existential threat.”

    The irony here is that you are willfully deluding yourself into thinking Iran is a mortal threat. Considering the amount of shit we have put them through over the last 5-6 decades its a wonder they haven’t made greater attempts to harm our forces abroad. In a nation that actively pursues “eye-for-an-eye” they’ve shown a remarkable amount of restraint.

    The US should be leading by example, not playing the role of world-wide bully.

    If we pulled our forces back out of other countries and shored up the US economic might we truly would be the envy of the modern world.

    Reign back on taxes, both corporate and personal.
    Cut back on (or remove) social programs.
    Pull our troops back to our borders (but maintain a strong navy)
    Use tax money APPROPRIATELY. Namely, on infrastructure, national DEFENSE, and education.
    Greatly reduce the amount of alphabet soup government agencies.

    And last, but not least….trade tariffs. We need them.

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    27th August 2012 at 10:12 am

  119. FBD says:

    “Jim wants to give up this blog because he thinks he isn’t “reaching” people, namely me” –HZK

    Oh, for fucks sake GET OVER YOURSELF!! It’s not about you. Never was. Never will be.

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    27th August 2012 at 10:54 am

  120. FBD says:

    Things I got from HZK’s rant.

    1) Joo lover extraordinaire;.

    2) Iranian people are cool.

    3) Iranian leaders (Insanians) are not cool.

    4) Tough shit if we gotta kill a shitload of #2′s in order to put a handful of #’3 out of business.

    Who is the Insane-ian here?

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    27th August 2012 at 11:01 am

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