Who the fuck knows? I certainly don’t. Maybe Muck can check with his sources and give us the answer. I can’t imagine that Obama would be supportive of oil prices going up to $150 a barrel just before the election. Is Netanyahu that crazy? He strikes me as a prick, but not crazy.
Netanyahu ‘Determined to Attack Iran’ Before U.S. Elections, Israeli News Says
Posted on Aug 25, 2012
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Israel’s Channel 10 reported this week that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “is determined to attack Iran before the U.S. elections” and that Israel is now “closer than ever” to a military strike intended to foil Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
The station’s military reporter said Netanyahu was unlikely to wait for a potential meeting with President Barack Obama in late September. “I doubt Obama could say anything that would convince Netanyahu to delay a possible attack,” the reporter added, before saying that Netanyahu and Israel’s defense minister believe Obama would be pressured to support an attack given the U.S. presidential elections in November.
Ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern earlier stressed the possibility of such an attack.
—Posted by Alexander Reed Kelly. Follow him on Twitter: @areedkelly.
The Times of Israel:
The TV station’s military reporter Alon Ben-David, who earlier this year was given extensive access to the Israel Air Force as it trained for a possible attack, reported that, since upgraded sanctions against Iran have failed to force a suspension of the Iranian nuclear program in the past two months, “from the prime minister’s point of view, the time for action is getting ever closer.”
Asked by the news anchor in the Hebrew-language TV report how close Israel now was to “a decision and perhaps an attack,” Ben-David said: “It appears that we are closer than ever.”
llpoh, I agree that Israel was looking to its’ own best interests when it attacked the USS Liberty and tried to murder its’ entire crew so that there would be no survivors in their attempt to draw us into the six day war by blaming the attack on the egyptians, while the outcome was still in doubt.
PS, I’m still waiting for one of you israeli apologists to explain this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X63CQ-dXkwU
I’m bumping this thead because I just fucking feel like it.
Admin wrote, “Where’s Zara when you need him. HZK’s posts are bordering on batshit crazy.”
Zara responds, “Sorry. I can’t monitor this site 24/7.”
I will add this…I won’t call neocons, and people who have absorbed the red pill where neo con foreign policy propaganda is concerned, but I have learned through experience that trying to turn them away from the dark side is as pointless and futile as convincing a progressive to embrace Austrian economics.
Some battles just aren’t worth fighting. Fuck it and fuck them.
…I won’t call neocons, and people who have absorbed the red pill where neo con foreign policy propaganda is concerned stupid.
Damn I wish there was an edit post function here.
I don’t know which is worse, an Israeli apologist, or an Islamist one. Oh, wait, yes I do. Death to the Infidels!
Don’t confuse that, however, with support for US foreign policy. I believe the US has it backwards, and take a hands off approach to foreign policy, much like they do now with Wall Street.
I’m going to kick this dead horse, but there is a bit too much fun left to be had methinks:
SSS is right, Israel will do, what Israel will do, and will kill or maim any of our operatives with eyes on whats actually transpiring. Then, when China and Russia step in to slap them down they’ll come running back to the US crying foul.
WWIII will look like this:
“Good” Guys: US, Canada, Great Britain, EU, Australia, Israel and Saudi Arabia
“Bad” Guys: Iran, China, Pakistan, Russia, Afghanistan and Syria
I’m probably a bit off, but the heavy lifting will be done by US/Russia/China.
The US will fall apart into separate warring confederacies long before the US populace realizes that policies predicated upon killing any up-and-coming competition (best defense is a good offense) are completely illogical, and a pathetic attempt to apply school yard problem solving to world politics.
PS: Can you imagine how badly a war in Asia against Russia and China would go for us? We’d get trounced so badly we’d have to give them Alaska and Hawaii just to pull out of the mess.
@Zara: Sorry, I will not be PC pussywhipped, guilted, slandered, straw-manned, whatever, into willfully blinding myself to what I perceive to be a mortal, existential threat. Nor will I join you in failing to DISCRIMINATE between the actions of an insane government versus the PEOPLE held hostage by it.
The Iranian PEOPLE and the American PEOPLE actually have a lot in common: We are both held hostage by insane and dangerous governments.
Theirs is a bunch of 7th Century savage barbaric religious nutcases (the Insanians). Ours is an evil and corrupt cabal composed of our financial, political and military elites (Repubs and Dems).
They are kept in check by the whips wielded by the Basj mercenaries, Sharia Law and hordes of illiterate religious fundamentalists that are unleashed by the mullahs against anybody advocating any idea more current than the 7th century. We are held in check by 100K pages of the Federal Register and the Tax Code, lib-prog PC speech control, MSM propraganda, NSA fusion centers and the alphabet soup of security agencies.
Both are brutal means of control, the only difference is in degree but not in kind. Both systems effectively limit liberty and freedom. Both systems subjugate the individual to the collective. Both systems are doomed to failure.
Ron Paul tried to change our paradigm through a grass roots campaign, the ballot box and an appeal to common sense and rationality in a mistaken belief he was dealing with a civilized political structure. That he failed and was marginalized by TPTB is proof he was not. Ron Paul called for an end to the fed, limited government, an end to foreign adventuring, and a return to the principles of the Constitution. In effect, he was calling for regimen change. Would you call him a neo-con?
Regime change is regime change whether it is via a B52 or the ballot box.
The Insanians are immune to such blandishments, hence my B52 comment. If that offended any body, too bad. In war, you must understand your enemy. You must fight according to his rules or you will most assuredly die by them.
RP is fatally wrong, IMHO, about not recognizing the threat of radical Islam, one front which is the Insanians. He fails to discriminate between the millions of Muslims that just wish to be left in peace from the radical Islamists bent on world domination through violence and war. Sorry, but the historical record is that Islam has been at war with everybody non-Islam since Mohammad and predates US involvement in the ME by centuries.
(BTW: If you could introduce me to the Palestinians that wish to live in peace with their Jewish neighbors, recognize the Jewish state and be willing to renounce violence and murder to resolve their differences, great, and get them some better PR people. Cuz all we see in the West is the mobs screaming for the death of the Jewish state and the Jewish people, mothers dressing their children as AK14 wielding terrorists and Hamas tossing their political enemies off the tops of buildings. I just can’t get my mind around the FACT that the Palestinian “freedom fighters” have sent children with Down’s syndrome, grandmas and donkeys out as suicide bombers to kill the Israeli PEOPLE. Seems the Palestinians can’t discrminate between a government and its people neither, unless they don’t want a stand up fight with the IDF and the Mossad. Which I think they have come out the losers every time they haved tried it.)
@THE REST OF YOU GUYS: At the end of the day, the entire ME conflict pales in insignificance to the impending global economic crash, so well chronicled by Jim.
And here is the ultimate tragedy: Jim wants to give up this blog because he thinks he isn’t “reaching” people, namely me, I’m guessing by some of these comments. Good grief. Just because I, among millions, am waking up doesn’t mean I am leaving my critical thinking faculties behind!
That is the blessing and the curse of unplugging people from The Matrix. They just might disagree with you! The glory of the internet, and of ths blog, is that we have, for the first time in history, a protected place to hash out these issues. And that, at the end of day, is what is REALLY important.
FAMILY MEMBERS ARE OFF LIMITS, PERIOD. If you can’t discriminate between a person’s views and his family, you have NO PLACE ON THIS BLOG and are no better than the savages who indiscriminately kill innocent people when their beef is with their leaders.
So come back Jim. We, the country, the world, need you.
“willfully blinding myself to what I perceive to be a mortal, existential threat.”
The irony here is that you are willfully deluding yourself into thinking Iran is a mortal threat. Considering the amount of shit we have put them through over the last 5-6 decades its a wonder they haven’t made greater attempts to harm our forces abroad. In a nation that actively pursues “eye-for-an-eye” they’ve shown a remarkable amount of restraint.
The US should be leading by example, not playing the role of world-wide bully.
If we pulled our forces back out of other countries and shored up the US economic might we truly would be the envy of the modern world.
Reign back on taxes, both corporate and personal.
Cut back on (or remove) social programs.
Pull our troops back to our borders (but maintain a strong navy)
Use tax money APPROPRIATELY. Namely, on infrastructure, national DEFENSE, and education.
Greatly reduce the amount of alphabet soup government agencies.
And last, but not least….trade tariffs. We need them.
“Jim wants to give up this blog because he thinks he isn’t “reaching” people, namely me” –HZK
Oh, for fucks sake GET OVER YOURSELF!! It’s not about you. Never was. Never will be.
Things I got from HZK’s rant.
1) Joo lover extraordinaire;.
2) Iranian people are cool.
3) Iranian leaders (Insanians) are not cool.
4) Tough shit if we gotta kill a shitload of #2’s in order to put a handful of #’3 out of business.
Who is the Insane-ian here?