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Published on SUN4Living on April 13, 2014

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Interview: Monolithic Domes Founder David South

 

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Eddie did some chronicling of the daily learning that went on at Monolithic Domes, in retrospect now that the Workshop is over I thought I might take some time tonight to look at the Bigger Picture with respect to Domes in general, and the Monolithic Method in particular.

Wednesday’s workshopp was particularly rich in information of sorts I did not have specific knowledge of before, parameters for building ferrocement domes and making them solid and resilient on the engineering level. A remarkably few people are expert in this stuff, and David South has more experience with more Domes up globally than anybody else. If you want to know domes of this type, this is the go-to guy. Not just for Doomers, but for everyone from the United Nations to various Saudi Sheiks and the NASCAR folks too.

The Monolithics though are quite energy intensive in the building, and at least for the larger scale domes need quite a bit of high tech materials and equipment to put up. Not outrageous when you consider the scale of some of these domes and the fact a crew of 5-10 people can put one up, but still quite a bit of stuff that will be hard if not impossible to come by in the not too distant future. That includes particularly the polyurethane foam that forms the initial dome structure, the Dome Balloon Vinyl skin, the Basalt rebar and the pumps used for spraying the Foam and the Shotcrete.

The fact construction of the larger domes depends on these materials and equipment does not diminish their utility NOW though, while they still can be constructed at a reasonable price. The ferrocement structure itself can last a very long time, providing good shelter for years to come. So it makes sense to build such structures now while you can, embedding the energy into the structure, as opposed to burning it simply for the purpose of willy-nilly Happy Motoring.

Such large Open structures have a multitude of uses as well, and given they are resistant to disasters such as Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Floods, Earthquakes and Wildfires they make a lot of sense where Climate Change is a preeminent problem. They are quite airtight as well, which could be important in scenarios where Nuclear Fallout is a problem. The structures can be purposed for indoor intensive food production through Hydroponics, Aquaponics and Aquaculture; in fact in the next year the Monolithic folks are planning on putting up a Commercial Facility for just this sort of production on the campus of the Monolithic Institute.

The inability to acquire and use some of the tools and materials that enable the construction of the really BIG DOMES does not eliminate the potential for building quite similar domes on a somewhat smaller scale utilizing similar methods, and during the week here the Diners attending the course have been Brainstorming on ways to adapt the building techniques to more locally available materials, renewable structural components like Bamboo, and substituting Human Labor for operations currently done with the aid of fossil fuel powered machines. Although the 100′+ Domes possible with the Monolithic Method aren’t possible with such materials, it is probable you could construct Domes in the 50′ range utililiIng natural fibers, adobe or cobb, and finishing with concrete reinforced with various materials either scavenged or grown. Such smaller domes would be quite capable of doing the same things the larger ones do, you would just need to construct more of them. We hope to begin experimenting with some of these ideas over the months to come and we will report more on this on the SUN Website.

A primary area we are looking at in terms of utilizing the Monolithic methods for Housing in the near future is for providing Affordable Rental Housing in the $150/week range. With many people descending from the Middle Class into the ranks of the Working Poor, the need for this type of housing is apparent, and the Domes provide a means to build this up in a modular fashion without taking on a lot of debt.

The fundamental weakness as far as the Monolithic method is concerned is its dependence on the high tech material used for creating the Balloon used as a framework/scaffold for spraying polyurethane foam and hanging rebar and either spraying “shotcrete” or trowling on concrete by hand. The high tech materials are likely to become unavailable as the economic system further deteriorates, so the ability to build the domes using these items will eventually disappear.

http://www.technobasalt.com/i/products/439_241/s6tdJfs2.jpgThe loss of the high tech materials doesn’t make the construction of ferrocement domes impossible, there are other methods available for doing this, at least on the small-medium scale. The largest domes in the 100′+ category likely become impossible to build without access to these materials. However, the basic construction materials of aggregate and rebar will likely be available a good deal longer, and can be used to construct both smaller domes as well as other types of structures.

Given these parameters, the sooner we get to building the larger domes the better, and constructed with Basalt Rebar (another high tech product), these domes will have an extremely long lifespan before they fail. Because concrete is porous to water, eventually using Steel Rebar for reinforcement this will rust and fail, after which the concrete will eventually crack and begin to collapse. Once the integrity of the Dome structure is compromised, the rest of the dome becomes rubble shortly after that.

Why is it important to get the domes up now while we still can? First, because of their utility and efficiency right now, second because as shelter, they will last a whole lot longer than the current McMansions we are using for shelter. They are also multi-purpose, with the open space of the interior useful for indoor growing methods, which will likely become increasingly important as climate change continues to wreak havoc with conventional farming methods.

While the largest domes built using the Monolithic techniques are quite impressive, such large structures really aren’t necessary, and in some cases actually counter-productive. In the case of using them as grow domes for hydroponics or aquaculture, if at some point the water system becomes contaminated you lose an enormous amount of the produce in one shot. On the other hand, if you grow a similar amount through smaller distributed and independent domes, an infection in one system doesn’t affect the other ones, so such a system is more resilient.

In the long term, the domes in the typical size range of 20′ to 60′ in diameter, not all dependent on the high tech materials and equipment that the Monolithic domes depend on. These domes are the most easily constructed by individuals at relatively inexpensive costs, with a variety of materials possible to use in reinforcement as both basalt and steel rebar become less available. Far as Cement and Aggregate are concerned for making Concrete, the limestone is available locally and there is no shortage of sand. What will be difficult of course is moving such heavy stuff around without fuel to run the trucks.

Although the Monolithic Domes once constructed are an extremely energy efficient structure, the materials and methods used to create them represent Embedded Energy which is available right now, but is unlikely to be available as we move forward into a low available energy world in the future.

Realization that this is the medium to long term case first means that it is worthwhile to build as many of these types of domes as possible now, and make them as long lasting as possible. For this purpose, the “Ecoshell” construction method using just Concrete in conjunction with Basalt Rebar that doesn’t rust can create a dome with the potential of lasting Centuries with no maintenance, and the vinyl balloons used to scaffold the ecoshells can be reused many times. Although these structures lack the insulation values of the Monolithic Domes, alternative means of Insulation can be applied later which may not be as long lasting as polyurethane, but can be periodically renewed from locally available materials. Given the cost of the balloons also, the ability to reuse them many times substantially decreases the cost per building as the number of buildings created w ith it increases.

Monolithic Domes dependence on high tech materials presents a weakness as a long term solution, but are very useful now in the preparation phase and transition to a lower per capita energy world. Moreover, many of the techniques can be adapted to more locally available and renewable materials. Embedding available energy now into these structures can go a long way toward easing the transition off the Fossil Fuel Jones.

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Chicago999444
Chicago999444
April 14, 2014 7:06 am

Interesting post.

Can add that large -scale ANYTHING might not be a good way to build for the future, and that small scale domes might serve people better in an energy-impoverished future than large scale, especially if the technical skills and specialized materials for large domes become too scarce and expensive as the net energy available to us shrinks.

Our society has a bias against small scale living, and most towns and cities have put into place codes and laws that make it impossible to build the extremely small dwellings that would make it possible for increasing numbers of poor people to live comfortably. We have made just maintaining life on a basic subsistence level impossible for people by mandating dwellings of a certain size in most communities and requiring technological enhancements, like wiring and plumbing far in excess of what is necessary for basic, safe shelter and comfort, that make new construction prohibitive and keep the supply of low-end housing very constrained. For example, my mother lived until her passing, in a 1948 vintage house in which the wiring had not been upgraded since, oh, about 1970, yet she managed to live quite comfortably within the confines of 60 Amp wiring. 150-200 amps is very nice, but not necessary when you are not running a fleet of mostly superfluous small appliances and/or big screen teevees and other gizmos. So why require it, and why require a house to be at least 1500 square feet when there are millions of impoverished people who would be well-housed with 500 sq ft, and damn grateful to get even that?

LLPOH
LLPOH
April 14, 2014 8:12 am

Domes suck ass.

I prefer cones.
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bb
bb
April 14, 2014 10:39 am

LIpoh , Time to get over all your worthless fantasies about YOUR PEOPLE. Everything you have that is good you learned from from white Christian culture.All those values that make your character so successful are biblical in origin .YOUR PEOPLE were wandering savages at war with each other with no purpose but to survive.They made nothing ,produced nothing ,created nothing and left this world nothing worth keeping.I respect you probably more then anyone else on this site but your fantasies about YOUR people are just that ,fantasies.

LLPOH
LLPOH
April 14, 2014 6:52 pm

bb

What don’t you just go fuck yourself with a King James Bible? What I wouldn’t give to meet your sorry ass in person and remove your scalp.

bb
bb
April 14, 2014 7:46 pm

LIpoh ,if you can’t take the heat get out of the teepee.
You never said I was wrong about YOUR PEOPLE.You don’t like the truth about your history .Scalping me is another one of those fantasies.You have to eat 20 rounds of 308 ammo first.

llpoh
llpoh
April 14, 2014 8:03 pm

First, the above llpoh’s were dopplers. But they were reasonably representative of what I might say. Except the scalping bit.

bb – you can be an ignoramus. Indians warlike? Often. Any different from paleface in that regard? No. They made lots of things, but no more than what they needed.

One thing that Indians have always had is an affinity for the land.

What they left the world is the world – they valued it and preserved it. That is worth keeping. It is what they valued, unlike paleface in general. That is far more significant than anything paleface has ever accomplished.

bb
bb
April 14, 2014 8:22 pm

LIpoh ,I just thought I would have some fun with you today but I was wrong.I guess I just wanted to hear the big dog bark.Sorry.

LLPOH
LLPOH
April 14, 2014 8:33 pm

No problemo. You have been contributing some good stuff. I appreciate the effort you have made.

I have not felt like barking lately. I am doom-stunned at the moment.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
April 14, 2014 8:40 pm

Domes are not space efficient. People live and furniture fit in rectangular spaces. 50 years ago, Bucky Fuller’s geodesic domes were all the rage, then it turned out that they had unforeseen problems, among which is that they tend to leak. Badly. You don’t see many being built today.

Nonanonymous
Nonanonymous
April 14, 2014 9:20 pm

Didn’t the Persians build circular towers with domes at the top. We can ignore the phallic symbolism for the purpose of discussion.

Chicago999444
Chicago999444
April 14, 2014 10:29 pm

bb, the Native Americans did indeed leave us with something “worth keeping”.

Something very big.

They left us an ENTIRE CONTINENT worth keeping. These people never took anything from the Earth they couldn’t give back.

They left rich resources in the ground…… which we have squandered on ugly, instantly obsolete crap that becomes nothing but toxic pollution once we’re done with it.

They left a rich, scenic, unexploited continent with millions of acres of rich top soil and unspoiled, magnificent scenery…. which we have despoiled with some of the most hideous development ever built, and mega infrastructure that will serve no purpose once the fuel needed to maintain it and get the good of it, is substantially tapped out.

They left a continent dense with forests that are now about 95% clear-cut, and many great species of animals that once provided Native Americans who killed and used these animals with respect for the gift from nature that they were and provided them with food, clothing, and tools…. and which our trophy hunters slaughtered wastefully and drove into extinction in less than 50 years.

Yeah, we’re just great, aren’t we? I just hope that someone can still read music well enough to play Mozart and Handel after this plastic pigstye of a society collapses and we’re all buried in the toxic waste we’ve generated over the past 100 years.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
April 14, 2014 10:36 pm

Nonanon, there are some ancient Persian villages, dug into hillsides, that would blow your mind.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
April 14, 2014 10:44 pm

Nonanon, you will like this. A little over a week ago, the zoroastrian society of houston voted on whether or not to build an Atash Kadeh! (A house of fire, literally, or in other words a fire temple). I will let you know, as I am sure you are curious, how it turns out.

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El Coyote
El Coyote
April 14, 2014 10:56 pm

LLPOH says:

“I have not felt like barking lately. I am doom-stunned at the moment.”

Dammit LLPOH ditch the Pearl Light.
As my boss said, when things are tasting shitty, flip her over.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
April 14, 2014 11:26 pm

The future is yurts.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
April 14, 2014 11:27 pm