FOURTH TURNING – OUR RENDEZVOUS WITH DESTINY

In Part 1 of this article I discussed the catalyst spark which ignited this Fourth Turning and the seemingly delayed regeneracy. In Part 2 I pondered possible Grey Champion prophet generation leaders who could arise during the regeneracy. In Part 3 I focused on the economic channel of distress which is likely to be the primary driving force in the next phase of this Crisis. In Part 4 I assessed the social and cultural channels of distress dividing the nation. In Part 5 I examined the technological, ecological, political, military channels of distress likely to burst forth with the molten ingredients of this Fourth Turning, and finally in this final part, our rendezvous with destiny, with potential climaxes to this Winter of our discontent.

We are now in the seventh year of this Fourth Turning. A famous quote from the seventh year of the last Fourth Turning portended the desperate, bloody and ultimately heroic trials and tribulations which awaited generations of our ancestors. What will be our rendezvous with destiny?

“There is a mysterious cycle in human events. To some generations much is given. Of other generations much is expected. This generation of Americans has a rendezvous with destiny.” Franklin Delano Roosevelt – June 27, 1936 – Philadelphia, PA

Our Rendezvous With Destiny

“The seasons of time offer no guarantees. For modern societies, no less than for all forms of life, transformative change is discontinuous. For what seems an eternity, history goes nowhere – and then it suddenly flings us forward across some vast chaos that defies any mortal effort to plan our way there. The Fourth Turning will try our souls – and the saecular rhythm tells us that much will depend on how we face up to that trial. The saeculum does not reveal whether the story will have a happy ending, but it does tell us how and when our choices will make a difference.”  – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning


The people have been permitting a small cadre of elitists, billionaire financiers, corporate chiefs, propagandist media moguls, and crooked politicians to make the choices dictating the path of our country since the 2008 dawn of this Fourth Turning. The choices they have made and continue to make have imperiled the world and guaranteed a far more calamitous outcome as we attempt to navigate through the trials and tribulations ahead. Their strategy to “save the country” by saving bankers, while selling the plan to the public as beneficial to all and essential to saving our economic system, has proven to be nothing more than the greatest wealth transfer scheme in human history.  The ruling class is deliberately blind to their own venality and capacity for evil.

They commit evil acts, not for evil’s sake but to improve the world for their kind. All men have the capacity for evil, but only those with power and wealth have the ability to destroy the world in the name of their “progressive” ideology. The lust for power, immense hubris, arrogance towards the masses, and belief in utopian visions, by men portraying themselves as enlightened, have led to the deaths of millions in just the last century. The true reign of terror has yet to reveal itself, as this Fourth Turning will unleash the worst in humanity once the insipid and trivial are swept away by the cruel reality of life and death choices.

We are managed by a totalitarian regime and willingly oblige their aspirations for power, control, limitless wealth, and control over the political, social, economic, and financial levers of our society, as long as we can still facebook, twitter, text, post selfies, and generally amuse ourselves to death. Orwell’s vision of a totalitarian regime where boot on the face control, repression, surveillance, torture, and endless war had failed to materialize in the U.S. over the 50 years after the publication of 1984. The vision of Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World proved more accurate and is still the dominant totalitarian game plan today. The invisible government manipulating the unseen mechanisms of society, forming the habits and opinions of the masses through propaganda and silence about truth, has efficiently convinced the masses to love their servitude.

“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors, and school teachers. Such propagandists accomplish their greatest triumphs, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth. By simply not mentioning certain subjects… totalitarian propagandists have influenced opinion much more effectively than they could have done by the most eloquent denunciations, the most compelling of logical rebuttals.” –  Aldous Huxley – 1946 revised foreword to Brave New World

As the decade’s long debt fueled economic expansion petered out at the turn of this century, with average Americans experiencing an ongoing fifteen year recession, punctuated with multiple booms and busts created by the Wall Street owned Federal Reserve, a more Orwellian totalitarianism has begun to raise its ugly boot. As the exponential increase in debt reached its zenith and economic progress for the masses stalled, the ruling class embraced Orwell’s belief that once a society built upon hedonistic principles and “good times” loses its vitality, the ruling class would need to invoke government morality, patriotic fervor towards state mandated enemies, a quasi-religious belief in governmental omnipotence, and restrictions upon the freedoms and liberties documented in the U.S. Constitution.

The 9/11 attacks marked the turning point for totalitarianism in America. Their lust for power can no longer be sustained by using suggestion to convince the masses to love their servitude, but will require the truncheon, military hardware, surveillance technology, more prisons, and physical intimidation of the masses to maintain the status quo. We are in the midst of experiencing the worst of Huxley and Orwell’s dystopian nightmares.

Fourth Turnings are not finished portraits, but a canvas upon which the colors of history are painted. The specific events, timing, duration, and outcomes are not knowable or predictable in advance, but the reaction and mood of generational cohorts to the events are predictable and consistent throughout history. Anyone who denies the dramatic mood change in the country since 2008 and the deepening crisis mindset engulfing the world is either a member of the existing establishment or on their payroll. Denial and propaganda will not reverse the tide as a tsunami of consequences will sweep away the existing social order and replace it with something different. It may be better or worse, and our choices during the next decade will matter.

Strauss & Howe pondered four possible outcomes to this Crisis:

  1. It could mark the end of man. It could be an omnicidal Armageddon, destroying everything, leaving nothing.
  2. It could mark the end of modernity. The Western saecular rhythm – which began in the mid-fifteenth century with the Renaissance – could come to an abrupt terminus.
  3. It could spare modernity but mark the end of our nation. It could close the book on the political constitution, popular culture, and moral standing that the word America has come to signify.
  4. It could simply mark the end of the Millennial Saeculum. Mankind, modernity, and America would all persevere. Afterward, there would be a new mood, a new High, and a new saeculum. America would be reborn. But, reborn, it would not be the same.

None of the outcomes are pre-ordained. The outcome will be determined by the actions of human beings like you and me. Our choices, decisions, judgment, deeds, hesitations or inactions could impact the future course of history. Human beings are inherently flawed, susceptible to their emotions, greed, pride, arrogance, and hubris. They are prone to delusions, bouts of cognitive dissonance, herd like behavior, and a penchant for normalcy bias.

They are also inherently kind, generous, courageous and capable of great feats. The future of our country has hung by a thread during the three previous Fourth Turnings, on the snow covered fields at Valley Forge, at the stone wall in Gettysburg, and on the blood soaked beaches in Normandy. The time will come when the future of our country will be determined by the actions of a few.

One of the crucial problems we face is the inevitable fact positions of power in our society tend to be filled with psychopathic narcissists whose desire for control, ability to manipulate others into trusting them using charisma, lack of remorse or guilt for their lawless acts, and belief in their own infallibility, create a society with no moral boundaries, no truth, no hope, and no sense of right and wrong.

The psychopaths occupy key positions in Washington D.C., on Wall Street, on Madison Ave., within the military, operating the Department of Homeland Security, running think tanks, in corporate board rooms. They count amongst them media moguls, politicians, central bankers, regulators, CEOs, generals, policemen, religious leaders, and shadowy billionaires, who are meticulous in planning their crimes, with contingency plans when their malevolent deeds come unraveled.

The systematic pillaging of the world’s wealth by the chosen few is a highly organized strategy designed to offer few clues to the masses regarding its coordination, scope and malicious intent. The psychopathic ruling class is following a blueprint to enslave the masses in debt, while they fulfill their narcissistic fantasies of domination, control, power and wealth. The people are just pawns in their game of chess, disposable and interchangeable. These people give no pause in sacrificing the lives of millions to achieve their ambition of ruling the world.

We now enter the most dangerous phase of this Fourth Turning. Whether the next financial implosion leads to war or the next war leads to a financial implosion, the consequences will be far reaching and destructive. I see the chances of a unified country choosing shared sacrifice to fight a common foe as almost nil. The eight year reign of Barack Obama drastically increased the divisiveness and mistrust within our borders and around the world.

His failed presidency has left the nation significantly worse off economically, with trillions in new debt added, with more unfunded liability promises totaling tens of trillions added to the $200 trillion bill for future generations. Political, race, religious, generational and wealth divides have grown to cavernous levels, with virtually no chance of compromise or healing. The two leading candidates for the presidency, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, promise to divide the country even further if elected.

I believe the Party realizes their game plan since 2008 has failed to revive the U.S. economy, exacerbated the failed socialist experiment in Europe, laid bare the complete and utter failure of quantitative easing in Japan, and as the globalization tide has receded revealed the epic levels of mal-investment in China. The thirty five year delusionary conviction that debt could sustain consumer societies perpetually is coming to its inevitable conclusion.

As more and more debt has been required just to maintain a declining standard of living for the average household, the unsustainability of this paradigm has come into full view. It now appears the contingency plan of the Party is a global war to cull the herd, further enriching the arms dealers and the financiers of war. Politicians around the world have been tasked with stirring patriotic fervor amongst the masses against terrorists – domestic and foreign – and the new axis of evil – Russia and China.

The world is already on the precipice of war, as the situation in Syria and the Ukraine deteriorates. The requirements of alliances and treaties would require a global war if a treaty member is “attacked” or a false flag event is staged to initiate hostilities. With the Chinese economy poised for a debt conflagration destined to be the world’s next Lehman moment, the spark which unleashes an inferno of debt going bad across the globe will lead to war.

Once the Rubicon is crossed, there will be no turning back. With Europe already teetering under an unpayable debt burden, enormous unemployment, and now hordes of Muslims invading their lands from the Middle East; oil producing countries undergoing a profound negative economic shock from $40 oil; and countries dependent upon U.S. and European consumption to sustain their mal-investment racked economies; politicians and bankers see war as their last resort for maintaining the status quo.

When the dominoes of debt begin to topple, a global depression will ensue, leading to an enormous surge in unemployment, skyrocketing budget deficits, intensifying currency wars, plunging global trade, and a final discrediting of central bankers and puppet politicians around the world. Civil unrest will unfold in urban enclaves across the U.S. and around the world. The police state will attempt to crush civil disturbances, but if they go too far, a backlash from heavily armed Americans will be in the offing.

The militarization of local police will inflame the situation. If race riots in the urban areas spread to the more rural domain of white America, the animosity created during the Obama years would result in much bloodshed. The elites living in NYC, Washington D.C., and California will insist upon an overwhelming Federal response to the chaos. States occupied by more liberty minded citizens and governors may well resist Federal interference, setting in motion secession scenarios and adding fuel to the fire of civil disarray.

In the midst of economic collapse, plunging stock markets, swelling unemployment rolls, surging home foreclosures, skyrocketing bad debt losses, avalanche of bankruptcies, and chaos in the streets, how will psychopaths controlling our political and financial systems react? Their immense egos, belief in their own brilliance, arrogance, disregard for the consequences of their actions, lack of empathy for mankind, and hubris will lead them to gamble it all on war.

Any attempt to conscript young people to fight wars on behalf of corporations and bankers will potentially be met with armed resistance from people who have seen the truth, as the Deep State veil is pierced. That will leave the psychopaths with only the current volunteer soldiers, their high tech weaponry, cyber-warfare, and most alarmingly their nuclear arsenal. The toxic mixture of human malevolence, miscalculation, bad luck and technological sophistication could lead to Oppenheimer’s nightmare.

“Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.”

Strauss & Howe pondered four possible big picture outcomes to this Fourth Turning. The first two are almost too horrendous to ponder, with the world destroyed in an Armageddon scenario or an end to modernity, with a complete collapse of science, culture, politics, and society. They are not the most likely scenarios, but their probability is certainly not zero. That leaves the remaining two likelihoods – the end of our nation in its current form or a successful resolution of the Crisis with a rebirth of the nation and a new High.

The reason I cannot fathom a positive resolution of this Crisis is the deeply entrenched corruption and diseased institutions controlling the levers of society. The system cannot be reformed from within and must crash, with the existing social order replaced. There is no gallant leader poised to bring the country back to its former glory. The Roman Empire lasted twelve generations, the Soviet Union one generation, and I fear the American Empire will not survive until its fourth generation in its current form.

So the question remains, what form will our nation take at the end of this Fourth Turning? Rome is still a city in Italy. The people who lived under the Soviet empire still live their lives today. The U.S. could become a drastically reduced nation state, no longer policing the world, with a lowered standard of living, less debt, less government, a currency based on the productive assets of the nation, an economy driven by savings and investment, small local banks that take deposits and lend money to businesses and people, and absolutely no Federal Reserve controlling the currency and interest rates of the country. A desperate public could also turn to a dictator who promises them even more safety and security, with the loss of all freedom and liberty. Or the country could break-up into a multitude of regional countries with like-minded values, economic interests, and beliefs.

I don’t know what the future holds for my country, my family, or the world. I do know our individual choices over the coming decade will matter. I do know we are in a fight for the survival of humanity where good people must prevail or evil will triumph. Victory will require individual and communal courage. The fight will require perseverance, determination, foresight, intelligence, and a willingness to die for the ideas of liberty and freedom.

Whether you lead or follow, the only way to bring the country back to its founding principles and restoration of the U.S. Constitution is to act with honesty, integrity, and honor. Leading by example rather than words, while setting high moral standards for your actions, will inspire others to do the same. It may not seem so at this moment, but the very survival of our country is at stake. There are no guarantees and believing God will always be on our side is wishful thinking. The glory or ruin of our country will be decided in the next decade and we will have a say in that outcome.

“Eventually, all of America’s lesser problems will combine into one giant problem. The very survival of the society will feel at stake, as leaders lead and people follow. The emergent society may be something better, a nation that sustains its Framers’ visions with a robust new pride. Or it may be something unspeakably worse. The Fourth Turning will be a time of glory or ruin.

History offers no guarantees. Obviously, things could go horribly wrong – the possibilities ranging from a nuclear exchange to incurable plagues, from terrorist anarchy to high-tech dictatorship. We should not assume that Providence will always exempt our nation from the irreversible tragedies that have overtaken so many others: not just temporary hardship, but debasement and total ruin. Losing in the next Fourth Turning could mean something incomparably worse. It could mean a lasting defeat from which our national innocence – perhaps even our nation – might never recover.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven:

a time to be born and a time to die,

a time to plant and a time to uproot,

a time to kill and a time to heal,

a time to tear down and a time to build,

a time to weep and a time to laugh,

a time to mourn and a time to dance,

a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,

a time to embrace and a time to refrain,

a time to search and a time to give up,

a time to keep and a time to throw away,

a time to tear and a time to mend,

a time to be silent and a time to speak,

a time to love and a time to hate,

a time for war and a time for peace.

(Ecclesiastes 3:1-8, NIV)

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Sensetti
Sensetti

Let me clarify my little poke at Admin. This article is very spot on, I read it three times and look up the words that were beyond my comprehension. When I made my first comment above I had just skimmed the writing. But after going back I realized I was reading the writing of a man that knows what’s coming and at the same time a man hoping against all hope his children could somehow enjoy a life as good as he his known. He’s a father that no longer hopes his children will have a better life than he has had, he just hope they can have a life. The comments below are the comments of a father and thus stand out in this writing like a fire in the dark night.

“None of the outcomes are pre-ordained. The outcome will be determined by the actions of human beings like you and me.

The time will come when the future of our country will be determined by the actions of a few.

Any attempt to conscript young people to fight wars on behalf of corporations and bankers will potentially be met with armed resistance from people who have seen the truth”

I’m a father and a grandfather. I have had two wives, I have seven children and 15 grandchildren. I clearly understand Admins concerns. The difference is, I can’t carry the entirety of my group, Admin is trying to figure out how he can, and most likely will. Me, I have to triage the situation, all my children are adults and all have been warned. Short of a direct nuclear strike on my location, I will survive. I’ve spent 13 years, scarficed much to do so. Admin has popped my ass before and accused me of inviting the apocalypse, no, I’ve just seen it coming from way off. He is right about one thing, I damn sure want to put my preparations to the test. I really, really think I can survive an invading army landing on our shores, the bastard just won’t cover the ground I’m prepared to travel, there’s no reason for them to do so. I really think my mindset was formed years ago when the movie Red Dawn came out! Watch it if you never have, watch it again if you have seen it.

Fuck it, I’m Irish, we love strong Whiskey, crazy women, and a good fight. And I might add a solid horse that will carry a rider or pull a plow, one gentle enough to pull the high wheel cart with the misses on board, or swift enough to carry me deep into the night if the bitch starts shooting at my drunk ass. I’ve cracked a jar of 100 proof Arkansas Apple moonshine, gooood shit, it will make you take back shit you never stole.

Allow me to leave you with a few words of wisdom. If you are not ready now, don’t worry about it. Let me tell you what to do. Find away to make contact with farmers or ranchers near you, make sure they know your face. When this shit goes down head their way. Why? They will need help protecting what they got. A friend will be more than welcome. For instance, there’s no telling how many families me and my five neighbors could support. We would welcome like minded people that would be willing to work hard, fuck, we’ve talked about it. There’s a few thousand acres of which I only have about 54, my neighbors all have a thousand plus and are very wealthy, I’m the fucking craziest and when the shit starts they will look to me for guidance. If that doesn’t prove to you inheriting money will fuck you up nothing will!! LOL

Now, to put this all in perspective, my good friend AWD was prepped up and ready and some fucking how they found him dead in his home. Admin broke that news to me after I had taken a couple months off from posting. Totally fucked me up. So enjoy your family and friends each and everyday, we never know what the sunrise will bring. But sooner or later it brings your last day.

drink mo whiskey, keep me and my still in business

Maggie
Maggie

Sensetti… wonderful advice.

Phaedrus
Phaedrus

What Hardscrabble said. And Thank You, Mr. Quinn, for your talent, effort, perspective, courage and eloquence. The world of the free is a better place. Kudos!

hardscrabble farmer

Nicklethrower, you just blew my mind.

That’s my hometown! My family were founders.

What are the odds?

Sensetti
Sensetti

The little spark oh hope I have is if Trump’s elected he might be the one who could make the hard choices and avert the looming crisis. Highly unlikely though, this world is a powder keg and any number of countries could light the fuse and blow up stage. I’m just going to enjoy each day.

Homer
Homer

This was the best blog and posted comments, yet. The depth of thought that went into many of the comments was profound. I’m dumbfounded.

I’ve asked God to keep me around long enough to see how all this works out, but now I’m not so sure I want to. Admin’s dire prescription for the future. Utterly depressing. …And I’m a pretty upbeat guy.

One thing I have learned in my old age is that only predictions that come true are remembered and those that didn’t, fall by the wayside and are easily forgotten and that predictions that do come to pass rarely happen the way they were predicted. So there is hope that this bleak picture of our future will take an unexpected turn for the better.

The problems we are facing was well documented by Admin. It would be nice to have had some comment on what we could to do to prevent the worse from happening. Perhaps, that’s premature. We only address pressing problems when they’re pressing, Never the less, the future isn’t cast in stone and personal choices can change the outcome. Admin’s blog is certainly a choice that can influence change, in today’s political environment, a brave choice, I might add. I have always believed that change comes from the individual level–bottom up, not top down. I believe that’s God’s way and why He or She put a part of Himself or Herself in every person and not in the state or church or religion. It has been said, “Every day it is put before you, good and evil. Choose thou!”

I have always thought that our times was the culmination of a great war. A great war between good and evil. A great war from the foundations of the earth and man’s beginnings. In every man’s life there comes a time where a decision is made, a path chosen, a choice. That choice is your inescapable future. It’s like the ring of a bell or tossing a pebble into a pond. The ripples go where they may and can never be stilled and are in the hands of God. Although we can’t un-ring a bell, we can make better choices that can add a symphony of sound to a bell that has already been rung.

That’s my great hope. “That the future ain’t what it use to be.”

As an adjunct, Obama Care, a top down choice, is being rejected by most of the population. The population made a decision, made a choice and that choice was NO. Obama Care will fail as a centrally planned program. The belief in the success of a top down centrally planned governance is a delusion. People do govern themselves and it is how well they govern themselves that determines their future success.

Lysander
Lysander

@@@ To all who have read or will read “Enjoy The Decline” by Aaron Carey I just want to point out a few things to you all. Aaron occasionally writes some good stuff, but he is damaged goods. I’m saying that he’s not the same kind of guy that he puts out in his essays; in other words, he isn’t the Master Of The Universe that he tries to project. His insecurities and self-doubts has driven him to an overblown ego which cannot accept any criticism on anything on any level. He’s big in the MGTOW/Manosphere movements and that should tell you something if you are aware of the hissy-fit bitch fighting that, quite ironically, goes on there constantly.

FYI, ‘MGTOW” stands for Men Going Their Own Way, a movement which is predicated on the idea that all, not some, but all women are inherently whores, idiots and gold-diggers and so women should be avoided at all costs. They advocate not dating, not associating and most importantly, not marrying any woman under any circumstances. Most of the population of MGTOW consists of basement dwelling gamers, bitter divorced men, beta males who can’t get a date and cowards who are afraid of women.

The manosphere is very different, as it concentrates on men’s rights in family court cases and the general treatment of heterosexual men in the West. Unfortunately, it has divided into several battling factions and most of the original purpose has been lost to infighting and childish displays of ego.

Aaron panders to this and it’s what got him noticed. Unfortunately, the boy has “issues” as the progressives like to call it. I don’t usually criticize anybody, but I had to make an exception this time.

Homer
Homer

All you prepper out there who think they have it made.

I’m afraid, when the brown stuff hits the fan, we’re all going to take a bath.

Lysander
Lysander

@ Homer….I don’t think I got it made, I just know for a fact that I have it better then someone who has no weapons, no food, no nothing.

Sensetti
Sensetti

Homer says Homer says: All you prepper out there who think they have it made I’m afraid, when the brown stuff hits the fan, we’re all going to take a bath.

Very possibl, but, I’d like to think after 13 years and thousands of dollars later I’ve given myself a better shot at survival

Sensetti
Sensetti

No bullshit people, I’m as ready as a 125K a year person can be I still feel like I have loose ends dangling in my face

Bea Lever
Bea Lever

Sensetti

Do you have a long term food supply? I am always interested in what people list.

Ghost

@Bea Lever… did you find out anything about T4C?

Am up late with terrible stomach pains. Am sure it is due to all the stress over worrying about my interlecterural asswhoopin’ I very narrowly avoided.

When the FF group started meeting as a prepper team instead of a 912 tea party organization (the two were supposed to be different groups, but get real… they were cut from the same bolt of cloth and coopted by the republicrats and destroyed)… we started our own huge garden on one of the members acreage and grew an acre of corn. So, we all have a lot of ground corn aka masa and a bunch of squash.

The roma tomatoes that year were incredible and the way that the guy who helped us set them up in old tires lined up in a row against a fence was amazing and I’m so glad I took photos (with 35 mm and I’ll scan them sometime and share when I unpack them). I canned 24 quarts of tomatoes from that garden because what happened was people were all excited in the beginning but the summer heat caused the excited collective to drop away. My son was being paid to care for the lady’s horses, so I was driving there anyway. Since I was there, I would water the garden and check the corn, squash and tomatoes. If I came back in a few days and there had been NO ONE over to pick anything, I figured it was silly NOT TO PICK it. At one meeting I told everyone that I had picked X pints/quarts of tomatoes and squash and if anyone wanted any, they could pay me for the jars and I’d be happy to turn them over. No takers.

However, at a meeting in September, when we were grinding all the corn because I told them it was ready to pick (NO WAY I WAS PICKING A FRIGGING ACRE OF CORN BY MYSELF) and they didn’t get around to it until it was almost dry, so we ground it into flour, which was fine. Makes great Tortillas and Great Corn Chowder. Anyway, one of the jerks complained that I had gotten all of the tomatoes. I was livid! I let him have it… I only picked them and canned them because they were falling off the vines and rotting on the ground.

Anyway, I know that if the SHTF, a community garden effort will be a different sort of thing, but in MY EXPERIENCE, it sucked. I felt like the little red hen.

So, the FF team also hit the Mormon canneries until the FDA stopped them from allowing people to come there and can. They can still sell their canned dry goods, but they have to can it. So it more than doubles the cost. When we went, we got the dehydrated apples for less than $5 for a #10 can (big coffee can). NOW? You would have to pay almost $15 for the same can of dried apple slices. Thanks to the government for sticking their nose in.

(They decided that since the Mormons only supervised the canning, they couldn’t control the hygiene of the people canning well enough. Trust me, the persnickety people who were making sure everyone washed their hands, wore gloves, wore hair nets and washed every surface of the cans and lids before starting the process controlled the hygience of the process.) The Feds just couldn’t stand the idea of people being able to get large amounts of healthy nonprocessed foods from Mormon farms untouched by food companies into their homes without government oversight. So they had to put a stop to it.

But, the FF group made more than a dozen trips out to the Bishops Kitchen and hauled away a LOT of wonderful food to put into storage for ourselves and our families. Two of our members were Baptist Preachers and we kidded them about having all that Mormon food hidden in their homes when their church members came over to visit. One of the preachers even cracked a joke about the deacon opening the closet door and seeing the Mormon beans stacked to the ceiling and him having to tell the deacon that he had just been getting worried about his wife being a little bitchy lately. (Baptists believe that they will be raptured out of here before the Tribulation begins… that’s the joke for you heathens who don’t get it. The preacher shouldn’t be hoarding food for the end time since he will be raptured supposedly.)

Okay, now that I’ve rambled on and on like I do… LOL… that’s the kind of stuff I have here in teh hills, but even better? I have a huge supply of heirloom seeds.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever

Maggie- Heirloom seeds are the best and most prized. I asked what people consider as long term food supply because most people will usually answer canned food and meat which I would classify as mid-term food storage.

So far no answer from T4C, I am really worried at this point.

hardscrabble farmer

Maggie, awesome year it sounds like to me. Good job with the preservation.

A tip that might help you out with the food safety people is to get a Serve Safe certification. It’s a 2 day course, easy enough for an 18 year old dishwasher to pass and is good for 4 years. They’re accepted in every state and they are basically an insurance policy for government meddling at the food safety enforcement level. It’s basically a credential that says you understand the basics of food safety, handling, storage, time and temperature controlsetc., but the big advantage is that one person per organization (form up an LLC online for $15) qualifies you to do all the things they said you couldn’t do. The side benefits are that you will absolutely pick up some things you didn’t know, but it is an insurance against interference with your preps if you plan to continue using someone’s commercial kitchen. Or you could make a deal with a local restaurant to deep clean their walk in or range in exchange for a day of kitchen use (when they are closed). You have to be innovative, you have to stay under the radar as much as possible, you also have to play their game to some degree so get whatever paper they worship and stick it in a frame on the wall to protect yourself.

https://www.servsafe.com/home

Ghost

@HSF… Thanks. I am considering a “business” venture with a friend and this might be just the ticket.

hardscrabble farmer

Maggie, if you need any type of advice along these lines, drop a comment over at my blog so I can get your email and you can pick my brain all you like. We’ve already solved most of these issues already and there’s no point in trying to reinvent the wheel.

michaelj007
michaelj007

Thank you for the very well written piece Admin. Obama’s presidency is actually a smashing success. He’s an elitist puppet that’s racking up the debt, ramping up the war machine and playing the divide and conquer game perfectly. Call me CRAZY, but I see the Obama’s playing a significant role in whipping the Black Lives Matter crew into a frenzy with more Tuskeegee-like speeches focusing on microagressions and the plight of their ancestors. Let us not forget their abilities as orators. They’re going to be the Mao’s of the new Black Guard.

Rise Up

Lysander says: @@@ To all who have read or will read “Enjoy The Decline” by Aaron Carey…
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Thanks for the backstory on Aaron Carey. Still thinking of reading the book, but this guy sounds like an asshole.

Rise Up

@michaelj007 – After reading Matthew Bracken’s article about nationalism vs. socialism vs. Islam, I am thinking Obummer wants to lead the Islamification of America after the collapse. I’ve also read 2 analyzes of his narcissism that mentioned suicide, a la Nero, as his possible fate.

Keith Elder
Keith Elder

Check out this excellent (if not exactly concise) summary of recent US misadventures:

http://empireexposed.blogspot.com/2015/12/obamas-roadmap-to-world-war-iii.html

Homer
Homer

Lysander & Sensetti–When I said we all will take a bath, what I meant was that if circumstances become so dire, we will all suffer. Sure some will suffer more than others, to be sure.

All in Society benefit from the contributions that every member makes. When those contributions are out numbered by those consuming, a breakdown in societal cooperation manifests. There becomes a shortage of goods that we all need to survive. There becomes blackmarkets, a break down in law and order, and an escalation of prices of scarce goods, beyond the majority’s ability to pay.

Preppers have a stash of scarce goods and an enviable position within an ensuing societal tsunami of a collapsing culture and economy. The Preppers are in a canoe on the beach awaiting the coming tidal wave, thinking that because they have a boat that floats they will survive the flooding unscathed. We should be so lucky. It’s an unrealistic fantasy. Without the commitment and cooperative efforts of others, we will all suffer regardless of stuff.

You can thank the government and their fiat currency for the unwanted change in your life.

Homer
Homer

Look, dear readers, fiat currency brings prosperity, so true. The from the mid forties to the mid seventies , things were pretty good. …But, fiat currency brings prosperity with tears. The wealth is allocated disproportionately in society and fiat currency ends in a societal tear jerker, hissy fit, economically. We’re at that point now. Von Mises says that there is no escaping the result of credit expansion and it all ends very, very badly. Whether you end it sooner or later doesn’t matter, you are going to suffer. What is different is the degree of suffering you will experience as an economy. The longer credit expansion the worser the suffering.

Everything the government and FED has done is to get out of Von Mises pickle without the suffering.
Their efforts are equivalent to attempts to unring a bell. It’s never happened before. Perhaps the government and FED’s logic is–We are all going to die, but it’s better to die tomorrow than today. Which is why the FED’s attempt to postpone the inevitable by instituting QE, TARP, ZIRP. NIRF, and the age old remedy for insolvency, STEALING.

Perhaps, you can think of the government and FED as Preppers with their alphabet programs to maintain their survival, but at whose expense??? You get three guesses, hint it’s three letters and begins with “Y” and ends in “U”.

Ghost

@HSF… Thanks… I’ll do that.

James
James

Great article -top marks — but – – –
The trouble with Americans apart from so many being fat dumb & lazy is that many of you are as well racist and religious ! Fair dinkum what a fucked up combination. Especially the Religion !
I lost count of the down ticks I put against ALL comments that mentioned religion.

To believe in Religous BS is bad enough but to shut your eyes & ears to what the USA War Machine has done in YOUR name is beyond any redemption. There s NO excuse ! There are many switched on progressive Americans who abhor the destruction & death but obviously a majority that think the USA is invincible & can do what it likes. Blow back is coming & it’s well deserved.

medicis

most cannot imagine, let alone countenance… that all these ‘happenings’ are quite intentional…

James Solbakken

Lysander:

Re MGTOW, some of us are afraid of women because we know what our legal and social status is vis a vis women, and do not believe in their hearts that women are worth the risk or the trouble. It’s called cost/benefit analysis. It is not cowardice to avoid a risk that one has no actual obligation to expose themselves to the risk. Am I a coward because I do not choose to skydive? Am I a coward because I do not choose to play Russian Roulette? I would risk my life to do my actual duty as a man, but, committing to a woman in this day and age does not strike me as one of those essential manly duties the avoidance of which would demand that I be branded a coward. I believe St Paul in his epistles told Christians that is was quite alright and even commendable if we chose to remain unmarried, as long as we didn’t fornicate.

AmazingAz
AmazingAz

Wow! Great 4th Turning article, and priceless comments. I’m glad to collect heirloom seeds, and live away from it all. The cities seem to get “stranger” every year. I have to spend time with family in Las Vegas; I wouldn’t want to try and leave there if something happened (like an EMP or even an attack in one of the casinos.) Southern California could descend into living hell if there were any type of disaster. The main thing is to work and form a community while striving for food & water independence. We don’t know the moment, but when it comes it will be late for getting any more prepping done.

cz
cz

AZ
I respect that you’re digging into this. There’s so much to read/learn…

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