Electric Cars Could Work… If The Government Got Out Of The Car Business

Guest Post by Eric Peters

The tragedy is, electric cars could probably work. If the government would get the hell out of the way.electric lead

The feds postulate requirements – basically, design parameters – that are at odds, that conflict – and make an economically sane electric car absolutely out of the question.

The government insist, for example, that every electric car be as “safe” as every non-electric car. This being defined as complying with every last federal standard – not necessarily meaning that the car in question simply refrain from being a death trap.

Most people outside the car business do not grok the distinction. They presume that every new car is “safe” since it meets federal crashworthiness standards (and other standards that have zip to do with that; bear with, I’ll explain) and every car that doesn’t, isn’t.

Nope. All it means is that every new car has met the currently applicable federal standards and made it through whatever crash tests apply today. It does not mean – out in the real world of two objects trying to occupy the same space, simultaneously – that a 2016 Chevy Aveo is a “safer” car to be in than a 1996 Caprice (“Shamu the whale” model).

Especially if the Caprice pile-drives into the Aveo.'96 Caprice

What has this to do with electric cars?

It has to do with weight – which is a function, to a very great extent, of the need to comply with the reams of federal ukase having to do with “safety.” This includes the latest pedestrian safety mandates… which have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with how “safe” the car is for the people within. Also requirements that challenge  (oops, demand) the car companies build cars able to support their own weight upside down. Most cars do not end up this way, but the mandate assumes they will and so requires lots of heavy steel to buttress the roof, so that it can support the car’s weight if it ends up tits (er, wheels) up.

Which adds weight.'16 Aveo

Which is very, very problematic for the functional (and so economic) viability of an electric car. The heavier it is, the more work its electric motor/battery pack must perform to get it moving. And the more work these must do, the faster the battery loses its charge And because batteries, by their nature, take a awhile to recharge, you end up with a car that has an intolerable flaw.

Well, two of them.

The first flaw is the abbreviated range of travel. While it’s true that most people – or at least, many people – may not need to be able to drive continuously more than 100 miles at a stretch every single day, the fact remains that knowing you could is critical to the psychological acceptance by the general public of the electric car.

Take that away and you have a car that most people do not want.    

And most electric cars can’t go even 100 miles before they need to be recharged – which manifests the second (and arguably, more serious) problem: Recharge times.

They are impossibly long. soviet bread lines

We live in a fast-food/right now culture. It is risible to believe that people – most people – will ever voluntarily part with their money for a car that requires them to sit and wait for it to be drivable every single tim they drive it.

Would you buy a car that required you to stop for a minimum of 30-45 minutes every 70-100 miles (or less) for a recharging session?

Probably not.

These issues – a palsied range of action and Soviet bread queue-like recharge times  – are what’s killing the electric car.

Not GM.

And both these problems could be greatly lessened by making a really light electric  car. But the government makes this effectively (economically) impossible. For both electric and conventional cars.GM EVI1

Because both have to comply with all the “safety” ukase that the Feds spew, endlessly.

Thus, the 2017 Chevy Bolt electric car I recently savaged (here) weighs a scale-crushing 3,580 pounds notwithstanding that it is a subcompact car… in terms of its dimensions.

Now, it’s true that 960 pounds of the Bolt’s bulk is the battery pack. But what about the rest of it?

A great deal of it is steel – steel needed to make the car able to support itself when upside down and to pass all the current crash tests as well as the new pedestrian impact standards.

It would still lose – badly – if a ’96 Caprice piled into it. Even though the ’96 is not “safe” – as defined by being able to meet every current federal “safety” requirement.   

Point being, a car is not necessarily a good place to be in just because the government says it is. And – conversely – cars that would not be considered “safe” by current government say-so aren’t necessarily. It depends on the car. And on what you hit with it.

Or, what hits it.     '73 Cadillac

By definition, every car we (those of us who were alive back then) drove in the ’80s – even the ’90s – is “unsafe” according to current rigamarole. Yet most of us survived.

I drove a ’74 Beetle (very used) when I was in college in the mid-late ’80s. It would be considered a death trap by modern standards – and there’s no denying that if it had been struck pile-drive-style by a car like the ’96 Caprice, it might very well have resulted in my death.

But the Beetle was a flyweight – about 1,700 pounds. About half the weight of the Bolt. As a result, it got very good gas mileage.

A lightweight electric car could get very good range. Or at least, could go a lot farther on a charge.'74 Beetle

Take a 1,700 pound like my old Beetle. Pull the internal combustion engine (and lose about 300 pounds). Now you have a 1,400 or so pound chassis, ready to go. Add the batteries and electric motor – both of which would be smaller and lighter now because there’d be less deadweight to move.

The resultant car would weigh under 3,000 pounds and probably closer to 2,500 pounds.

How much farther could it travel? How less frequently would your travel be interrupted for foot-tapping recharges?

We’ll never know, until Uncle gets out of the car business.

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Iska Waran
Iska Waran
February 5, 2016 11:07 am

First, anyone who uses “grok” is questionable, IMO. I’m fine with the government letting car makers build cars out of cardboard, but they should also get rid of all tax credits, including those for buying electric cars, hybrids, etc. Take away the bribes and let the market sort it out.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 5, 2016 11:13 am

Government involvement always makes things more expensive, more difficult, and more complicated.

But it generates a lot of employment in the process.

TPC
TPC
February 5, 2016 11:16 am

Now there’s an interesting idea. If you start buying yugo’s and retrofitting them with batteries and a new paint job would you be able to meet fed regulations?

Dutchman
Dutchman
February 5, 2016 11:20 am

Electric cars will be viable when they use a fuel cell.

jamesthewanderer
jamesthewanderer
February 5, 2016 11:24 am

I’m not down with anyone who doesn’t grok the pointless involvement of government in EVERYTHING.

I do grok Heinlein, one of the greatest SF writers ever (and his Stranger in a Strange Land, whence grok comes from).

Also, Number of the Beast and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and …

Mesomorph
Mesomorph
February 5, 2016 1:26 pm

If regulators truly wanted to save lives they would mandate that bumpers line up with each other at a uniform height. Universal seatbelt release buttons would save lives too.
The problem is those ideas would not create one single new job.

Sometimes I feel like the major car manufacturers look at a 100 mile rang for an EV as a maximum not a minimum.

JIMSKI
JIMSKI
February 5, 2016 2:22 pm

Our current grid is over capacity 20% of the summer. Hey let’s add 200,000 electric cars!

AnarchoPagan
AnarchoPagan
February 5, 2016 2:24 pm

Mesomorph,

The problem with those ideas is that they still involve the government in regulating product safety, something it has no constitutional authority to do. Once you cede the principle that the government has the responsibility to protect us, even from our own choices, there is no logical stopping point.

Mesomorph
Mesomorph
February 5, 2016 3:05 pm

Well Anarchopagan, i agree that no government should regulate product safety. I hate to break it to you but that ship has sailed. If they are going to regulate wether we like it or not I would at least like it to be done intelligently is all I’m saying.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
February 5, 2016 3:09 pm

As stated here before, I own a Plug-In Prius which allows me about 10 miles of driving solely on the battery. No, that’s not much range, but it’s enough for 70% of my driving for consumer missions. On longer trips the first 10 miles is virtually free, and Toyota’s regenerative braking system allows me to add charge to the battery beyond the initial 10 miles, so that when driving in stop and go traffic the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) doesn’t even fire up.
IMO Toyota’s hybrid drive is about the best solution around and I smile on those rare occasions when I top off the gas tank for about $10 or $12.
P.S. No, I wouldn’t want to be t-boned by my previous car (Buick LeSabre), BUT driving the Prius is similar to driving a go-kart since the heavy part is the battery and provides a low center of gravity and makes the car super-nimble.

ChrisNJ
ChrisNJ
February 5, 2016 4:18 pm

Thanks Eric. I’ve been educating my peers and youth exactly what you are saying. I truly believe it’s crony capitalism that is just limiting the competition on purpose. There is really no good reason why I couldn’t drive a new ’97 Chevy Silverado today which would cost well under the $50K it took to buy my ’14 version. And the ’14 gets a whopping 2-3 more mpg!!! What a joke.
The current light duty diesel trucks are the biggest scam of all, again simply change the rules, so no one else can build them for a while. While we all take it up the you know where.

starfcker
starfcker
February 5, 2016 4:31 pm

Hate to agree with westcoast, but by this point the prius and it’s concept are pretty much tried and true. It’s a real car with real customers and has been going strong for a long time. I know a few people who own them, they love them, and several are on their second or third one.

yahsure
yahsure
February 5, 2016 5:16 pm

The problem is that the source to recharge electric cars are often dirty. If you took a Prius and put in a small diesel with no battery or electric,It would get crazy good MPG.
I have driven in a Prius,I thought it was roomy and was plenty fast.My dads got 48MPG average. Cold weather made the battery’s less effective.
The problem with our society(one of them anyhow) is the cost of new vehicles.

ottomatik
ottomatik
February 5, 2016 9:29 pm

Im waiting for legit 200 mile range and affordable, like 30k max. Come on 7!! Ill still keep a smoker as back up. I dream of charging my car at night with excess solar production and never paying the cartel another fuckin cent. It will happen.

Ned Ludd
Ned Ludd
February 6, 2016 6:57 am

yashure “If you took a Prius and put in a small diesel with no battery or electric,It would get crazy good MPG.” Back in the day it used to be called a diesel VW rabbit or Chevy luv/izusu diesel pickup. Remember them? Both got mad good mileage, we’re awesome in snow but unfortunately they rusted quicker than a Chevy Vega and no one wanted to shell out their money for one. As Eric has preached: the market place decided their fate.

ZombieDawg
ZombieDawg
February 6, 2016 7:10 am

No……go back and revisit this topic from how long ago now ??

Electric cars are an illusion, a fallacy based on the collapse of the oil-based economy.
Please go read “The oil age is over” and “Twilight in the desert” as PRIMERS.
Saudi Arabia is pumping water rather than oil these days people.
Wake up, smell the roses or meltdown. You choose.
Electric/solar/wind/geothermal – they’re ALL BULLSHIT.
Hopium to the mindless masses at BEST.
Here – try this one :

The eccentric Dr. Nakamats

A DOOR sized energy harnesser powers his entire residential complex 24/7 !
Solar – when the sun’s out and then only subject to temperature constraints for maximum efficiency.
Wind – if its blowing.
Geothermal – heard of aquifers ??

REALITY beckons oh zombies…your delusional world is ENDING…SOON…