This Is Not The America My Parents Immigrated To In 1957

Not that I remember what America was like in 1957, as I was not yet five years old. Years later, when I was old enough to understand, they told me their story. Briefly, it goes like this.

Dad was born in Romania (Czernowitz in Northern Bulovina), but he identified (haha) as German because, well, his dad was German, his mom was German, they spoke German and kept German customs, and lived in a German community so, applying the “quacking duck” theory, that’s what he was. Mom was born in Yugoslavia (now, Slovenia), but she identified as German for the same reasons as dad did. The Nazi regime would refer to folks such as my parents as “Volksdeutsche” —- being German as a people or race, regardless of citizenship. More on that  here.

When dad was about seventeen the Deutsche Wehrmacht (army) made a pit stop in his neck of the woods, and forcibly yanked his ass off the farm, and within a few weeks turned him into a bonafide Mortarman (dudes who launch grenades). He might have destroyed or damaged a Russkie tank or two, but was eventually captured by the Russians, and spent the rest of the war, and some time thereafter, in one of their luxurious prison camps. When mom was a pre-teen the Russian army made a pit stop in her neck of the woods, killed most of her family, but spared her life and put her to work as a slave laborer and sex-toy (cuz she was very pretty), in one of their gulags.

Obviously they both survived this ordeal (otherwise I probably wouldn’t be writing this). However, after the war ended, neither parent was allowed back to their ancestral homes. In order to keep Germans from becoming a “problem” again, Eastern Europe (with approval of all the Western powers) decided to enact a program of ethnic cleansing by expelling as many as 14 million Germans. This German Diaspora comprised the largest migration of any European people in modern history. More here. Many died, estimates range from 500,000 to 2,000,000. My parents survived that as well, obviously.

They arrived as Flüchtlinge (refugees) in an Austrian camp for such people … two Germans as refugees in a German country, how weird is that … found each other, did the nasty posthaste, and produced me, at the time a bastard child mostly unwelcome anywhere. (I’m just glad my dad wasn’t some anonymous Russian soldier!). They gave it their best shot living this way. But, even as late as 1957, there wasn’t enough work in Austria. They felt their future would be better elsewhere. So, they came to America … for work.

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You do understand the meaning of that last sentence? It means my parents came to America for a selfish reason, as all immigrants do. Sure, the stated reason for most immigrants may be for economic betterment, to escape political repression, or flee religious persecution, and such. But, the ultimate motivating factor is always for the betterment of one’s self, and/or family. In other words, no immigrant has ever arrived at these shores in order to make America great. On the contrary, they came because they believed America was already great, and a land of opportunity.

This quest for “opportunity” is one of the key distinguishing characteristics of the “old world” immigrants. Not all, but a great many of the current horde invading this country come not because America is great and offers opportunities, but because America has become the Land Of Entitlements — a concept unknown to old world immigrants. In fact, my dad needed a “sponsor” to guarantee that my father would have a job the moment he arrived. No job? No skills? Stay home! And don’t even think of gaining entry if you, or your loved ones, have some kind of disease. There were zero social backstops. No food-stamps. No free medical visits. No free transportation. No free-housing via Section 8, or some other thieving giveaway.

And to be honest, those folks back then wouldn’t accept free shit if you handed it to them on a silver platter. For the first couple months in this country my parents lived in an abandoned apartment building in NYC without even running water. Jack, my dad’s employer, offered to let us live in a spare room in his house until dad could get on his feet. Dad refused, saying he came to this country to work, and not to receive charity. Compare that mentality to the current free-loaders who demand “their rights” the moment they set foot here … for example, people who get social-security (and loads of other freebies) without ever having paid even a thin dime into the system. This is criminal in the sense that it is literally theft from the people who are forced to pay for all this ”free” stuff. These people should be ashamed, but they know no shame. Rather, they will shout you down as a racist and bigot for even suggesting the hideous Biblical concept of ‘he who does not work, shall not eat’. It can be argued that immigrants helped build America, or that immigrants are what made us great. But, that was a long time ago, in a different era, under totally different circumstances. Try to remember this; not all immigrants are equal, or beneficial to this country.

Part of Trump’s plan to make America great again is to build a yuuge wall. That’s a really dumb idea when compared to other alternatives. The best idea is so simple; immediately end all entitlements to people here illegally! I’m fairly certain that act alone will stop the flow almost overnight. Why hasn’t Trump (apparently) not even considered that option? Perhaps because he know that free shit, once given, can never be rescinded? Perhaps because he realizes that those who get free shit are forever beholden to the shit-giver, and therefore they are easily controlled and manipulated …. not to mention a permanent guaranteed voting class? If so, Mr. Trump doesn’t have much chance of making America great again no matter how high he builds his wall.

Or, how about this? A tit-for-tat immigration policy; enact immigration laws identical to that of Mexico.

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What is the meaning of “Make America Great Again!” except that it is both an admission of America in decline, and a boast that only Trump can restore us to our former glory?

On the one hand, many (such as myself) find that to be a refreshing change of pace from the braggadocio propaganda we’ve heard for about the past twenty years … culminating with the biggest (and least successful) braggart of them all, Obama, informing us almost daily that America is an “exceptional” nation, the “indispensable” country, the “sole” superpower of Planet Earth, …. nay, the greatest power ever in human history, to which every other nation on earth aspires to imitate.

“Obama has talked more about American exceptionalism than Presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush combined: a search on UC Santa Barbara’s exhaustive presidential records library finds that no president from 1981 to today uttered the phrase ‘American exceptionalism’ except Obama.” ——— John Gans Jr., The Atlantic, 2011

“‘American exceptionalism’ is not a traditional part of presidential vocabulary. According to Schlesinger’s search of public records, Obama is the only president in 82 years to use the term.” ———- Robert Schlesinger, U.S. News and World Report

On the other hand, Trump is the first candidate (at least in modern times) to run openly and without apology on a platform of American decline. Let’s take a quick look at how one President talked about America shortly after we arrived here.

Take a look (or, recall, if you have a good memory) at JFK’s speeches. You simply won’t find them littered with exceptionals, indispensables, and other superlatives … as those words simply weren’t part of the political lexicon back then. American wealth and military might were basically a given, and indisputable. Big dogs simply and quietly go about their business. It’s the small and insignificant Chihuahuas of the world who yap endlessly about their superiority.

In his inaugural address JFK reflected the character of old world immigrants when he urged all of us to not ask what this country can do for us, but what can we do for our country. His only use of “great” was to invoke the USA / Soviet Union blocs as “two great and powerful groups of nations”. In another speech he spoke of America as “a great power” — but not “the greatest power.” In that same speech he said; — “we must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent or omniscient … that we are only six percent of the world’s population … that we cannot impose our will upon the other 94 percent of mankind … that we cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity … and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem.” Don’t confuse that “negative” statement with Trump’s assessment of America. JFK’s commentary is one of quiet strength and tremendous wisdom rooted in a deep and abiding confidence of America’s unstated power …. a confidence so unshakeable that there was no need to speak of it.

While Trump speaks openly about America’s decline, Obama and Hillary acknowledge the same sentiment, albeit unknowingly. Decline is evident when one has to say endlessly and openly what once was too obvious to say. In other words, if you have to brag about it, you no longer have it.

For a cultural equivalent, call it the Rambo-ization of America. I absolutely loved “westerns” as a kid. The post WWII movie “heroes” of my youth were folks like John Wayne, Burt Lancaster, Chuck Conners, and then as a teen, Lee Van Cleef and Clint Eastwood. Other than their acting abilities, what was remarkable about them? Well …. nothing, really. They were remarkably ordinary looking, like the guy in your office or next-door neighbor, not overly muscled, not possessing other-worldly fighting skills, and their weapons were basically identical to that of their enemies. But, then came America’s defeat (or, was it a “draw”?) in Vietnam to a bunch of guys dressed in pajamas, with rusty rifles, and living in tunnels. Hollywood helped us cope with our malaise and depression by now giving us outrageousness; outrageous muscles, outrageous weapons, and outrageous killing skills whereby now an Army is no longer needed but, rather, just One Guy defeats the gooks. We like our lies, but we really really love outrageous lies. Eventually, mere humans, no matter how muscled, no longer provided enough titillation to dull our senses. Whereby we once were satisfied that Conan enjoyed crushing his enemies and hearing the lamentations of their women, by 1984 we demanded and cheered a virtually undefeatable cyborg from the future with a German accent uttering amazing philosophical pandering such as, “Fuck you, asshole.” And, what heroes do we have today? Spiderman, Thor, Hulk, Superman, X-Men, Iron Man, Ant Man, Captain America, Batman, ad infinitum. How ironic that in an Age of Science and Technology that we find solace and amusement in heroes who defy all known laws of physics … and, sensible dialogue. It seems that the deeper America sinks into chaos, that the more ridiculously obscene our heroes (and, leaders) become.

[Side Note; Surprisingly (probably to most folks), it is Ronald Reagan who started the ball rolling in terms of being defensive regarding America’s greatness. I do acknowledge that he said this – “Let’s reject the nonsense that America is doomed to decline”. However, Reagan used “again” — long before The Donald did — in his iconic 1984 commercial titled ‘Prouder, Stronger, Better’ where the voiceover says — “It’s morning again in America.” — and later asks, “Why would we ever want to return to where we were less than four short years ago?” — a very Trump-ish admission of America’s decline. Nevertheless, Reagan is hard to pigeonhole as he didn’t lack for superlatives flowing from both sides of his mouth ranging from his “shining city upon a hill” (probably stolen from JFK’s inaugural address) to his unwavering, almost Obama-esque belief in America’s greatness — “ … here in the heartland of America lives the hope of the world … in a world wracked by hatred, economic crisis, and political tension, America remains mankind’s best hope.”.]

When it’s all said and done, remember to tell your grandchildren about The Year 2016. It’s the official year when the USA!USA!USA! went on record as being a Nation In Decline. Thank you, Donald!

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The biggest change since our arrival in 1957 is that America has somehow morphed from being a democracy to at best being an oligarchy, at worst, a dictatorship.

Now, some of you are getting ready to educate me on the error of my ways by pointing out that the United States is a republic. Let’s not quibble over semantics. The key question is whether this country is controlled by an elite aristocracy, or the public. In a democracy/republic the government represents the people, while an aristocracy represents itself. An elite aristocracy is a dictatorship no matter how it is flavored; Nazis in Germany, Commies in Soviet Union, Fascists in Italy, or oligarchs in the United States.

 

— A massive Health bill affecting about 20% of the US economy is passed despite the overwhelming majority of people against it, and none of the legislators actually aware of what the bill contained until after it was passed. Does this sound like a representative democracy, or dictatorship?

— A town in Vermont, and across America, is forced to accept Muslim refugees (and then forced to pay for all their freebies) without the citizens even being allowed to question the town leaders because that would me “messy” and people would come “out of the woodwork” with all kinds of differing opinions. Does this sound like a representative democracy, or dictatorship?

The Military Commissions Act, signed by Bush in 2006, abandoned the Geneva Convention, legalized the torture of U.S. citizens, suspended all civil rights for prisoners and allows the President to declare virtually anyone to be an “enemy combatant“. Furthermore, it retroactively granted blanket immunity to all U.S. military personnel who have committed war crimes under the Geneva Convention. Furthermore, the immunity would extend to present and future war crimes as well. Furthermore, it utterly nullifies the courts and makes it illegal for the judicial branch of government to interfere with the imprisonment and torture of anyone. In other words, the United States declared itself immune from any international law, and that it will officially harbor and support war criminals. Does this sound like a representative democracy, or dictatorship?

— Obama is pushing for several international trade deals (TTIP, TPP, and/or TISA). Only a handful of people know the full scope of these deals. Most legislators working on these deals are only allowed to see small parts of the deal. What we do know is that these deals will transfer national sovereignty to an international corporate dictatorship. We, the people, aren’t allowed to see any of the details …. until after it is passed. Does this sound like a representative democracy, or dictatorship?

— It is a parade of lies which has led to the death of thousands of young Americans – and tens of thousands physically and psychologically wounded — in Iraq and Afghanistan … not to mention hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dead and wounded citizens throughout the Middle East. According to the Constitution only Congress can declare wars. But, through the use of Executive Orders, the president can unilaterally declare wars at will. Our sons and daughters used as cannon fodder, our debt piling up, an economy in ruins … and there isn’t a damned thing you can do about it. If you dare protest about such things, you will be targeted as a potential terrorist. Does this sound like a representative democracy, or dictatorship?

— The Supreme Court in their 2010 Citizens United decision enabled unlimited secret money — including foreign money — to pour into U.S. political and judicial campaigns. Let’s see if former President Jimmy Carter thinks this is part of representative democracy;

“It violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or being elected president. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. Senators and congress members. So, now we’ve just seen a subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect, and sometimes get, favors for themselves after the election is over. At the present time the incumbents, Democrats and Republicans, look upon this unlimited money as a great benefit to themselves. Somebody that is already in Congress has a great deal more to sell.”

 — This country is ruled by force, not law. Governmental assassinations of US citizens. A highly militarized police with almost unlimited powers to harass, intimidate, and brutalize with impunity. TSA groping whereby in any other setting would be considered sexual harassment. Overseas detention, torture and assassinations carried out against anyone, including American citizens, without due process … and without recourse if later cleared. Warrantless GPS tracking by the FBI. The IRS targeting religious groups. Some people now actually be charged with pre-crimes. Checkpoints up to one hundred miles inland from all our borders (including the two oceans and Gulf of Mexico) in an area stunningly known as a “Constitution Free Zone”. No Ride / No Fly lists which are extrajudicial, secret, and form a guilty-until-proven innocent framework that subverts freedom instead of protecting it. A See Something/Say Something program which goes beyond the already high-tech surveillance apparatus of the NSA and turns each of us into an unpaid employee of the police state similar to what the East German Stasi did to their citizens. Web cameras and surveillance proliferating like a wildfire, data mining, recording all your phone conversations, all your web searches, all your emails, and all without your consent. An FDA, which has near-total food control and usually renders anything healthy as toxic, and all that is toxic as healthy, and does insane shit like jailing folks who buy raw milk. Literally tens of thousands of regulations which literally invade every facet of society, whereby it has been said that almost all of us commit three felonies per day, and every violation of these laws will be met with the full force and fury of the State which promises fines, penalties, forfeiture of properties, or imprisonment.   Does any of this even remotely resemble a representative democracy, or does it sound more like a dictatorship?

I’ll stop now, even though I could easily go on for another ten thousand words. Besides, some of you will say this is all anecdotal. Some will attempt to refute each and every point. And others – the especially ignorant – will chime in with a “Well, you have nothing to worry about if you don’t break the laws”. The most retarded of all will opine, “Hey! Shaddup! This is all for our safety and security! And, the children.” OK, you doubters, let’s end this article with some ….. science.

 “Testing Theories of American Politics”

A single empirical study titled “Testing Theories of American Politics” was published in 2014 in the journal Perspectives on Politics, issued by the American Political Science Association.

This study investigated answers to 1,779 survey questions asked between 1981 and 2002 on public policy issues. The responses were broken down by income level. Then they researched actual enacted policies and whether or not those policies reflected public preferences … or, conversely, whether the relevant corporate-lobbied positions had instead become public policy. Let’s get to the good stuff, their conclusions. None of the below should be a surprise to you. But, at least there’s now some empirical data to validate your hunches.

 “In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcome. …………… When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. …………… even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it …………… Our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts …………… , the opinions of lower-income groups, and the interest groups that represent them, appear to have little or no independent impact on policy …………… however, the preferences of rich people had a much bigger impact on subsequent policy decisions (40% of preferences enacted) ) than the views of middle-income and poor Americans (18% of preferences enacted) …………… [when] policy making is dominated by powerful business organizations and a small number of affluent Americans, then America’s claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened.”

Let me summarize all that for you, and please excuse my profanity; —- your elected representatives don’t give a rat’s ass shit about you and what you want for this country (except at election time). So, stop kidding yourselves by thinking your vote matters.

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This is NOT an article about the pros and cons of Donald Trump. Nevertheless, the question must be asked; “what changes if Trump becomes President?” Near as I can tell Trump’s platform is as follows; 1) all our politicians are stupid, but he’s not, 2) nobody knows how to make good deals, but he does, 3) he’s gonna build a yuuge wall, 4) he’s going to create jobs, somehow, 5) we’re gonna have the biggest badass military in the world (isn’t that the case already?), 6) cops are just gr-r-r-reat, and he’s going to take care of them, believe you me. Did I miss anything?

(BTW, I have even less hopes for the Democrat side of the same coin. Hillary will clearly continue with the status quo … except, as an added bonus, she might start a nuke war with Russia. And Bernie’s socialism will most clearly add to our many undemocratic woes.)

This article is about the huge issues facing Amerika, and our decline into a dictatorship. What will The Donald do about the issues I raised above, and the ten thousand words I didn’t include? Is he even aware of the issues? Will he bring back the America of my youth? Can he change the regret my aged parents (and, myself) have for coming to this country, and can he restore hope to the weary? I think I know the answers. Except for a few changes (maybe) … it’ll just be more of the same. No one man, at this point in American history, can stop the Coming Shitstorm headed our way. Trust me, it won’t be long before you hear these words from your local servant in blue — “Ihre Papiere bitte” — and the hellish circle will be complete.

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“Hoffnung”, the German word for ‘hope’, is my dad’s favorite word because it has carried him through many tribulations. I might insist on having “He never lost hope” engraved on his gravestone. Hope sustained him when the Nazis ripped him from his home. Hope lifted his spirits as a prisoner of war. Hope kept him alive when the Russians released him to the British, and he worked in a coal mine under terrible conditions near Scotland for a few years to pay off his “debt”. Hope kept him from falling apart when mom fell down the stairs not so long ago. Hope kept him from depression when he crashed his beloved classic Mercedes last year. Hope is what brought him and his family to America for a better life. I just wonder if he would have left Austria if he knew that 57 years later his very own son would have no hope whatsoever for the America he was about to call home. So sorry, that’s just the way I feel right now, and for the past six months or so. Hoffnung ist tot.


 

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Robert Gore

Well, I’m in New Mexico, which is why the all expense paid trip looked so good, but I wouldn’t really take you up on it. It may be a while before I get back to NJ, but when I’m back there I’ll look you up. Scotch Plains is not that far from the business interest.

Modern Chronicler
Modern Chronicler

“A town in Vermont, and across America, is forced to accept Muslim refugees (and then forced to pay for all their freebies) without the citizens even being allowed to question the town leaders because that would me “messy” and people would come “out of the woodwork” with all kinds of differing opinions. Does this sound like a representative democracy, or dictatorship?”

While this post is somewhat of a tangent from the message of the OP, the mention of Vermont is timely for me.

This past weekend, I went on a road trip and visited, for the first time, Lake Champlain (located in northwestern Vermont) and the Champlain Islands.

I was awestruck by the incredible natural beauty of the area. One lake after another, with small bridges and mini-beaches with pebbles. Minus the pesky mosquitoes, the sheer tranquility of each lake, with people canoeing (one was a man and his dog – perfect for the view) was enthralling. Even as I drove and couldn’t without getting off my car at every beautiful spot, the beauty of it all was another awesome moment in what had been an already excellent holiday weekend.

The small-town feel, the houses with vast backyards and front yards (it was hard at times to distinguish non-farmer residents from farmer residents, unless there was a barn, cows & horses, or a tractor), the repeated prairies with the sun beaming down and not a sound other than the bristling of the leaves, the soft beating of lake water against the rocks, the occasional car driving by… I, as a city slicker, wondered how people lived there in such absolute stillness and quiet. But I figure that many of these people had been there for generations, especially in exclusive real estate (if not so much for the prices of the houses, but for the unique locations) such as Isle de la Motte; they were, I speculated, the progeny of Englishmen, Irishmen, and perhaps Scots or Germans who had settled there in the 1700s. Those who engaged in farming, I was certain, were used not only to the stillness and silence of their idyllic surroundings, but to a slower pace of life, in such small neighborhoods where they probably knew literally everybody else there. I joked to myself that the police there probably had very little difficulty to maintain law and order.

I speculated that these were friendly people, and the one man I encountered at a local stop proved to be such. But that they were friendly did not made think they weren’t manly. That the Memorial Day sun was making me sweat did not allow me to forget that in winter, the area where I was at probably had temperatures far harsher than even the subzero chill I face during the coldest days of my area’s winters, and yet here they were, with their cars, tractors, tools, and yes, firearms. The apparent docility of these beautiful streets and neighborhoods and towns was ironically made possible by the scrappiness, toughness, and resolve of people who like their forefathers learned to scrape a living under difficult circumstances. That some of them were now shopkeepers or professionals didn’t mean that they weren’t a tough people.

Toughness and virility do not always appear in burly and surly ways. A proven ability to survive is often quiet strength.

I found a clerk-less “store” whose wares included maple syrup and apples. I was looking for cider, but there was none. A bucket was strategically played on the center of the wall between the goods, and each good had a price. I then saw a sign saying “If you can read this, I can aim at you.” I was a bit unnerved, as I realized I was probably being watched. I purchased nothing and left – I doubt I would have been harmed, but I quickly remembered that Vermont is one of the few states whose residents have the fortune to enjoy Constitution-grade Second Amendment rights. I envied them.

Many of the houses had not only grills but also several toys for the children (to the extent that the backyards were the equivalent of public playgrounds). By one lake, at one point, I saw one porch/staircase – belonging to the house directly in front of it with the road in between – reaching down to the water after another, and most had foldable or standard chairs on which nobody, interestingly, was sitting on that day – I would have loved to stop my car, sit there for a few seconds, and absorb the glitter of the sun shining on the water. But as a visitor, I knew it was best to mind my manners.

As I went from one isle to another, small neighborhoods gave way to slightly larger towns. But even still, the natural beauty and the quietness of it all continued. At one point I encountered an empty but clean and well-kept public park: a small soccer field, a playground, tennis courts. All of this public, and with a small lake at the edge. Not the slightest sign of public decay or of disrespect for taxpayer-funded community infrastructure.

Running out of gas, I stopped at a mom-&-pop gas station. I inquired as to the availability of iced coffee; the teenage boy manning the counter said, “no, but we will have it soon, and we do have latte.” I smiled and thanked him – and thought that if certain urban folk had been in my place, they might’ve said, “I don’t need it soon. I need it now!”… until they saw the old flintlock rifle hanging on the wall.

I paid $25 by credit card, but the pump kept going and I topped out at $29.75. I went back inside and told the other clerk – a very cute, brown-haired, hazelnut-eyed teenage girl with translucent and flawless pink cheeks – that I owed her money. I gave her $4.75. She shyly smiled and said “have a nice day” as I walked out.

Eventually, I left the isles and drove southward, eventually finding a road that was the closest thing to an interstate in a few hours. I saw a sign pointing to a ferry to New York – I took a chance and got there 5 minutes before the next boat left. En route to NY’s Essex County, I witnessed yet more spectacular beauty as the vessel traveled, leaving Converse Bay behind and proceeding towards the waters near Whallon Bay.

It was difficult to notice much of a difference between rural Essex County and the small towns of Vermont I’d seen a few hours earlier, and I did see many farm-like areas as I drove towards I-87. In both states, I saw not only life and vibrancy, but at times, run-down, old, abandoned buildings – which if ugly, at least demonstrated the richness in history that these areas have.

I eventually found I-87 and drove home, arriving hours later, but not before I saw (more familiar) beautiful sights – forests and hills in upstate New York.

This is but a glimpse of the gorgeous landscape of America. If I in 2016 marvel at these sights, I wonder how the Europeans of the 1600s and 1700s felt when they first arrived. The phrase “God’s country” is used without religious undertones, but it is not hard to understand why it came about, and those parts of Vermont very much evoked this label.

America is great – it is great in many ways, and natural beauty and diversity is but one of them. I encourage you to visit the isles of Vermont and to bask in the sun as you see the lakes (and perhaps get on a canoe or try your chance at fishing).

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

In the context of this argument, your claim that I, a natural-born American citizen, am “arrogant” for thinking I have a better claim to my country than you, a foreign-born immigrant, is laughably ironic.

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

In addition while your dipshit dad (your words not mine) was breeding a kid he couldn’t afford, to foist off onto my country, my hero dad was earning a bronze star. Funny how all your arguments sound so, I don’t know…leftist when the shoe is on the other foot.

Unfriendly
Unfriendly

QuadRetarded-Dumbass Assholican is obviously very proud of his Americanness.

Either he:

A.) Never read one fucking word that Stucky has written in his above post and comments
B.) Is too to fucking stupid to understand anything Stucky has written
C.) Or, he has read and understood and is a fucking troll

Which is it Quadtarded? A, B, or C?

In any case, be assured of four (4) things:

1.) Going back to my Great Grandfather who fought in the Civil War – I have an American Pedigree that would make yours look worse than Barry Soetoro’s from Kenya. Kenya… shrink heads, Barry? Obviously.

2.) My Dad was Army Aircorps in WW II. He was among the 1st troops to land in Africa in that campaign and was cited for bravery by the War Department for action in transporting troops to Sicily among other honors.

3.) I believe my Dad could have kicked your Dad’s ass

4.) You are not worthy to tie Stucky’s shoes, let alone comment on this post.

So fuck off, troll.

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

Whatever your qualifications to being a true American, both yours and mine are both better than Stucky’s, or not, which I think is the point which has obviously flown over your head.

Calling people names without refuting their points does not make their points weaker, it only makes you look like you can’t keep up when your own arguments are thrown in your own face. Be assured I have read every word of Stucky’s post. I am not a troll and your being unable to refute my points does not make me the tard in this conversation. I just poked a little hole in your normally impervious opinion bubble and it looks like you find it uncomfortable, to say the least. Thanks for not bringing my dick into it, though.

Unfriendly
Unfriendly

Quaddouchbaggedly proud to be an American:

Somehow, I don’t think Stucky is the problem, dumbass. Your points are too stupid to refute, that is my point.

Welcome to America:

https://vimeo.com/136798883

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

Thank you for agreeing with me that nice, hard-working guys like Stucky can become true-blue Americans even when they were brought here speaking no English by their poverty-stricken refugee parents shoving their brats into our overloaded public school system. Even though Stucky dutifully cashes his monthly government-issued support check every month and also gets our terrific single-payer health care plan, he’s A-OK in my book! Let’s see what other of my points I can get you to agree with. Plus I will do it without calling you any names.

Unfriendly
Unfriendly

Quadruple-dipped American @ 4:38 pm

Setting aside the ad hominem attacks for a moment. What exactly do you disagree with regarding Stucky’s essay above? What has he written that is false?

Llpoh
Llpoh

Thanks Stuck. Sorry I have not been around. Really appreciate this effort. You and amuck and Mike and all who create threads are the Man and a Woman. And the Admin is the greatest, if course.

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

Looks like I got banned before I could post my follow-up, Unfriendly, but thanks for asking. I will respond if allowed.

Unfriendly
Unfriendly

Quadruple-dipped American @ 5:13

I have a feeling at some point you’re going to wish that you were banned. But for now, I’m reading you loud and clear.

Waiting…

IndenturedServant

Shit-dipped American opened opened its cock holster, stroked its neck and ejaculated:
“Absolutely nothing of significance.”

Shit-dipped American is the worst kind of American. It’s got nothing better to do than listen to the sound of its own voice believing that it said something intelligent. It believes that it is more true blue than anyone but that only applies when it’s boyfriend is choking it out while fucking it in the ass just before getting donkey punched.

Stucky’s dad was a better American than shit-dipped American AND his father BEFORE he came to “Murika. Shit dipped is just a shit brown colored cumstain/skidmark in ‘Murika’s collective underwear.

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

Thanks for your coherent and welll-reasoned reply, IndenturedServant!

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

Let me try breaking the response into smaller pieces, maybe that’s the ticket.

Stuckey claims that the illegal immigrants of today are different from the legal immigrants of his time (late 1950’s) because they have come here not for jobs and opportunity but for free stuff, like “food-stamps, free medical visits, free transportation, free-housing via Section 8, or some other thieving giveaway.”

This is false. Illegal immigrants don’t qualify for free stuff. They do not qualify for Section 8 housing vouchers. (http://www.masslegalhelp.org/housing/eligibility)

They do not qualify for food stamps. “most social welfare programs bar illegal immigrants from receiving benefits and require proof of immigration status. That includes food stamps, as well as cash welfare assistance, Medicaid, and even the new health care law.”
(http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jul/01/fact-checking-immigration/)

The U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants are United States citizens and do qualify for some benefits they receive as citizens. There are about 4 million of these children. Illegal immigrants can get treatment at an emergency room, just like everybody else (thanks, Ronald Reagan!)

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

I have some more comments but the site is being a bit difficult, please stand by.

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

Just like in the 1950’s, today’s illegal immigrants came here to get jobs and got jobs in restaurants, food processing, animal and meat processing, agriculture, construction, and landscaping. “The majority of persons who enter the U.S. ille­gally or unlawfully overstay temporary visas do so for purposes of employment. Employment of such indi­viduals has been illegal since 1986, although that law has never been seriously enforced.” (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2008/10/reducing-illegal-immigration-through-employment-verification-enforcement-and-protection)

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

There are ways employers can verify workers to prevent hiring illegal immigrants (better use of E-Verify, more strict enforcement against employers who hire illegal workers, etc.) but Congress hasn’t put much into enforcement. Nevertheless, enforcement is getting slowly better and Obama is getting grief from the left for it. “Obama expands ICE powers to pursue illegal immigrants for deportation, angers activists” http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/1/obama-expands-ice-powers-to-pursue-illegal-immigra/?page=all

If it weren’t for illegal immigrants, you likely wouldn’t be able to afford to eat out, eat eggs, chicken, meat, or vegetables. “Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown” http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigration-law-workers The low wages illegal immigrants get are baked into the products we buy.

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

Right now right in my state there’s a gigantic strawberry crop rotting in the fields because there are no workers to pick them. Goodbye cheap strawberries!

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

Almost done with my reply to Unfriendly, thank you for your patience.

Stuckey claims that illegal immigrants get Social Security benefits they have not paid for. “Compare that mentality to the current free-loaders who demand “their rights” the moment they set foot here … for example, people who get social-security (and loads of other freebies) without ever having paid even a thin dime into the system,” his posst says.

Illegal immigrants do not qualify for Social Security benefits, but some people, both citizens and not, may get them through fraud. “Unauthorized Immigrants Paid $100 Billion Into Social Security Over Last Decade” https://news.vice.com/article/unauthorized-immigrants-paid-100-billion-into-social-security-over-last-decade

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

…almost there…

He claims there’s an ongoing “flood” of illegal immigrants. In fact, their numbers are dropping. “As the Department of Homeland Security continues to pour money into border security, evidence is emerging that illegal immigration flows have fallen to their lowest level in at least two decades. The nation’s population of illegal immigrants, which more than tripled, to 12.2 million, between 1990 and 2007, has dropped by about 1 million, according to demographers at the Pew Research Center…Until recent years, illegal immigrants tended to be young men streaming across the Southern border in pursuit of work. But demographic data show that the typical illegal immigrant now is much more likely someone who is 35 or older and has lived in the United States for a decade or more.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/flow-of-illegal-immigration-slows-as-us-mexico-border-dynamics-evolve/2015/05/27/c5caf02c-006b-11e5-833c-a2de05b6b2a4_story.html

I will probably get some blowback because you-all don’t like my sources, or you don’t think my facts are in fact facts, but these are my objections to the post. And thank you kindly for asking.

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

Okay that’s a wrap, bombs away rightie friends!

IndenturedServant

Illegals come here for the free shit. End the free shit and immigration will drop by 80% at least. The free shit is even advertised on beaner TV in Mejico. Syrians and other muzzie ilk automatically qualify for refugee aid which lasts until they can get regular free shit. Plenty of “refugees” coming in from south of the border too. You can’t be as naive as you sound can you?

What’s wrong with you picking some fucking strawberries? Too good for it? Sounds like a decent opportunity to make some extra cash for a hardworking true blue American. I’ll bet Stucky’s dad would not have hesitated to do such work if need be.

Why would the illegals pick ’em when they get paid for laying on their ass?

I’m calling bullshit on your strawberry story.

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

The strawberry story is literally the front page of my local newspaper. Those farmers’ problems are not going to be solved by me picking a pint for myself.

I just showed you the facts, but because we have freedom of religion in our great country you are of course entitled to believe whatever baseless horseshit you want..

Funny thing about those facts, they have heft and weight and sometimes they crash right through the rickety umbrella of positions you have placed yourself under.

Also thanks for not sugar-coating your bigotry by openly using such terms as “muzzies” etc. because it makes it so much easier to tell what I’m dealing with.I now know about all I need to know about your so-called “side” of your so-called “argument,” so I bid you all a fond farewell!

Unfriendly
Unfriendly

Quadruple-dipped American claims to be a “true American”, yet appears to favor illegal immigration. One cannot conflate LEGAL immigration (i.e. Stucky’s Parents) with ILLEGAL immigration.

The reason we have ILLEGAL immigration is because the socialist global elite desire it. This is why borders don’t exist anymore and is part of Obama’s “fundamental transformation of America”. In short, illegal immigration is an agenda of Globalism.

In spite of any economic cost to benefit ratios (which are questionable – and we can debate the sources of information ad nauseam) and unharvested strawberry fields forever: Illegal immigration defies the American Constitution and is, therefore, nothing short of lawlessness. How can one claim to be a true American with your positon, Qaudruple?

Furthermore, German immigrants who migrated here in the 19th and 20th centuries assimilated into American culture. Compare this to the 3rd world, Islamic refugees as well as those from Mexico who raise the Mexican flag here on American soil.

What say you?

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Unfriendly
Unfriendly

And by the way, TBP is NOT a right-wing or racist website. So get that out of your head right now. As for me, I often blog/comment here on this site with a somewhat legal Mexican that (I’m told) looks like Chuy Bravo. There is also an American Indian (from down under) who comments here as well as even some Canadians. So just remember that.

Quadruple-dipped American
Quadruple-dipped American

I’ll respond to Unfriendly. I would suck a diseased donkey-whatsit, Stucky, but I swore I’d never stand in line behind Republicans again. We native-born Americans have a saying in English, which I realize is not your native language. But maybe you’ve heard of it: Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

“The reason we have ILLEGAL immigration is because the socialist global elite desire it. This is why borders don’t exist anymore and is part of Obama’s “fundamental transformation of America”. In short, illegal immigration is an agenda of Globalism.”

Actually in a funny way I totally agree with this, although I dispute that the globalist forces bringing mass unskilled immigration into America are “socialist.” More like big business like fast food, agriculture, the poultry industry, the construction industry, landscaping, etc. etc.

.And now that the Republican party is coming apart at the seams, those global elites (can we all point and laugh at Kevin Williamson and his National Review ilk now?) are peeling out of your party in search of new patsies. I don’t think they’ll get much of a friendly reception in my party. Also Obama is throwing illegal immigrants out of the country at a serious rate, but god forbid my facts should get in the way of your religious beliefs.

“In spite of any economic cost to benefit ratios (which are questionable – and we can debate the sources of information ad nauseam) and unharvested strawberry fields forever: Illegal immigration defies the American Constitution and is, therefore, nothing short of lawlessness. How can one claim to be a true American with your positon, Qaudruple?”

I actually don’t support illegal immigration. I just don’t think they’re mostly fundamentally bad people. Even Trump said “some of them I assume are good people.” He should know, he’s hired enough of them on his projects.

The original premise of Stucky’s post as I recall it, all those many posts ago, is that immigrants like him are better than today’s immigrants because of a list of various reasons, all of which are actually false. I support a system like Canada’s, where the more skills, language ability, youth, health, and other assets you have, the likelier you are to get in. If Canada needs unskilled laborers (or labourers, I guess) they can just choose from among the many native-born boneheads who might be willing to do the job for whatever shitty wages are on offer.

“Furthermore, German immigrants who migrated here in the 19th and 20th centuries assimilated into American culture. Compare this to the 3rd world, Islamic refugees as well as those from Mexico who raise the Mexican flag here on American soil.”

Germans most certainly did not assimilate into American culture. They spoke German, and about 3% of the U.S. population spoke German, up until WWI when their culture was stamped out. Muslim and Mexican kids are culturally assimilated just fine, in fact 2nd generation Mexican kids can’t even speak Spanish anymore.

I guess some female Muslims, or “muzzies” as they are so lovingly referred to here can be ID’d by their head scarfs, which incidentally my own natural-born mother wore throughout her life, although we called it a babushka. I do agree that raising a Mexican flag in a protest is a very bad idea. However one of my facebook friends just posted the Irish flag on her page to announce her vacation destination and none of my right-wing friends seems to have lost their minds about it.

About the nonracist and nonbigoted qualities of this site, a brief look through some of the various comments throughout this place is full of colorful words and phrases I’m sure you would all be proud to use in your workplace or at church on Sunday. I’ll be most happy to furnish examples if anybody needs a refresher.

Administrator

Isn’t it funny how triple queer appeared out of nowhere for the 1st time ever and feels the need to write a dozen 400 word comments on his 1st day on the site. He reveals his true leftist beliefs by being appalled at the language allowed on this site. He believes the comments should meet his standards and should be policed.

He is a standard hypocritical left wing liberal. He’s all for feminism, transgender rights, and diversity. He professes to love Muslims while ignoring their horrific treatment of women, gays, and non-believers. He’s all about theories and rights, while ignoring the facts on the ground.

He’s a troll who thinks he’s smart, not dumb like everyone says.

IndenturedServant

Shit-dipped Americans photo of him and his true blue pappy:

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IndenturedServant

Hey shit-dipped, got a wittle linky-poo to your rotting strawberry story?

I know we have to lead mentally disordered liberal morans like yourself around with step by step instructions but why think so small? Why stop picking at a pint for yourself you selfish fuck? Why not pick a few pints for each of your illegal and muzzie immigrant friends? Why not pick a few pints for each of the bums (homeless to you) in your town? Why don’t you round up some of your ever so helpful true-blue hardworking ‘Murikan friends and help that farmer out? Why don’t you display some of that “American Goodness” as you called it last night and help one of your own?

IndenturedServant

The best part of Dip-Shitted American ran down his mommy’s ass crack:

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IndenturedServant

Hey Dip-Shitted, see…….you and your beaner friends can lay around AND pick strawberries and contemplate why your daddy pulled out before the good jiz got to your mommy’s egg!

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Unfriendly
Unfriendly

You’ve been outed, Fraudruple. You are indeed a poster child for Cloward-Piven, wrapped in an American flag, purveying lawlessness as freedom, liberalism as moral and The Burning Platform as a Republican website.

It just doesn’t get any better than that!

Bea Lever
Bea Lever

Quad Dipshit Dumbass American

Welcome to free speech, not the PC bullshit you spew, IT’S A TBP THING that you would not understand. This is not for you, this is for critical thinkers only who have the ability to express their thoughts without the need for conformity to the imprinted thought patterns of the common sheep.

Please slither back to your own kind who feel the need to parrot the state accepted line imprinted in your leftist pea brains.

starfcker
starfcker

Can you believe our luck. That’s the second homo that’s wandered onto the site this week. Diversity is our strength.

javdude
javdude

Lol those japanese immigrants of Hawaii are the best some gone back to Japan but cannot assimilate, hence their female had to be come prostitues back in Tokyo.

Picture here Hawaiian Japanese American
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Here’s the link hawaiian japanese american women back in Tokyo http://goo.gl/h1EgQO

Llpoh
Llpoh

I see that the monkeys have descended on a newbie. I love the smell of fresh flung monkey poo. Good work, and hopefully good riddance to the newbie.

IndenturedServant

Llpoh, This one, along with Peter Puller Harris have staying power. See the Social Justice thread here to meet Peter the Assclown: http://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/06/01/why-social-justice-warriors-are-so-demented/#comment-1250013

Almost makes me feel bad for calling some of the locals Assclowns.

I believe Peter Puller is from your neck of the woods. Enjoys the diversity of smoking muzzy pole down under I believe unless I have him confused with another dumb ass.

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This is my first time visit at here and i am actually impressed
to read all at alone place.

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