But Why Aren’t People Buying Electric Cars?

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Trump is ascendant not because he’s a freedom jouster but because the people are exasperated with a clueless (and contemptuous of them) party apparat that for years has been trotting out one inbred Bush after the next, with Bush-like things in between such as Mittens and Ted.electric cars sitting

This is not a cheer for Trump. It’s a jeer at the elites.

The auto industry is just as clueless – and contemptuous – of the people who are its customers.

Witness the hilarious article in Automotive News last week (see here) bemoaning the fact that electric vehicles are a hard sell.

The article was headlined: Automakers’ Anxiety: Why Can’t We Sell EVs? The story went on to quote various auto industry crack pipe smokers such as Britta Gross, a speaker at the recent Electric Vehicle Symposium and Exhibition in Montreal. Gross is director of Advanced Vehicle Commercialization Policy at General Motors.

“Consumers (an awful word, isn’t it?) adore these vehicles,” she says. “People love the quietness, the smoothness, the seamless drive.”

They’re just reluctant – for reasons apparently inscrutable to Gross – to part with cash.

Despite huge subsidies and other forms of jump-starting, sales of electric cars are not just flat, they’re down by about 5 percent. Total sales amount to a literal fraction of the market – a few thousand of them (combined, every make and model) out of 1.4 million sales of IC-engined cars per month.Britta Gross

“Why don’t consumers flock to these vehicles,” Gross wonders? “What do we have to do?”

How about lowering the price?

The problem with electric cars isn’t that they’re not “quiet and smooth.” They are. So is a Mercedes S-Class.

The problem is that electric cars cost too much.

$30,000 to start for the “affordable”  ones like the VW eGolf. Most (like the egregious economic make-work project Tesla) cost much more. Even the Chevy Volt (which I think is ok, see here) costs about as much as an entry-level Lexus or BMW.

Axiom: The more an electric car costs to buy, the less it makes economic sense – regardless of its quietness and smoothness.

A Mercedes S-Class is of course also expensive.

But the difference is it’s supposed to be. Economic sense doesn’t enter into it. The Benz is a high-end luxury car. People buy them as an indulgence and to a great extent because they are expensive. Which makes them exclusive. You have something most people don’t and (if you can afford it) are willing to pay extra for the privilege.

But electric cars?crack pipe

It’s exactly the reverse. The more they cost, the less they appeal.

Gross and Elon Musk and the other denizens of the automotive opium den have been designing electric cars that for the most part only affluent people can afford and then they wonder why people who can barely afford a six-year loan for a Camry or Civic steer clear.

I “adore” the Mercedes S-Class. It is a magnificent car.

But I can’t afford one, so I don’t own one.

The same applies to electric cars – only much more so. Because unlike an S-Class, an electric car’s primary draw is not that it is “smooth” and “quiet” but that it – hopefully – gets you where you need to go for less than an IC-engined car. This includes the cost to buy the thing – which can’t be too high or it negates any savings achieved by not having to fuel the thing.

If it doesn’t make economic sense – if the electric drive’s primary virtues are that it’s “smooth” and “quiet” and (as in the case of the Tesla) quick, then prospective buyers are not going to buy it on account of its fuel-saving virtues. They are going to compare the car to price-comparable IC-engined cars, using a different set of criteria, among them range and convenience. And while strides have been made in both areas, electric cars still can’t go nearly as far as an IC car and take forever (or so it will feel) to recharge when the battery wilts.Tesla pic

These issues worsen in less-than-optimum environments such as the heat of summer and the cold of winter.

People who spend luxury car money tend to not be too willing to put up with Hassles of any kind. They are paying top dollar to avoid Hassles. You don’t find port-a-potty toilets at Trump Tower – or AC that gets automatically turned off for the sake of “saving energy” at certain times of the day – for just this reason.

And if you did find them, probably you’d change reservations.

So it is with electric cars.

People looking to save money – not just on fuel, but also on the car itself – would probably be willing to put up with some Hassles – including the need to arrange one’s travel to accommodate the recharge times – provided the car makes economic sense.

If it reduces their cost of getting around.

This obviousness was ignored by the author of the article and an entire roster of car industry PR and marketing short bus occupants whose grasp of the situation is truly Forrest Gumpian.Forrest Gump

But the truth is, they’ve had to sex up the electric car. Because the technology is still too expensive and too functionally impaired to be a threat to the dominance of the practicality and economic sanity of the IC-engined car. It is probably not possible – without doubling-down on the subsidies that prop up the existence of electric cars as other than curiosities at car shows – to offer one for sale at a price that’s price-competitive (cost to buy and cost to drive) with Camrys and Civics and other A to B commuter car/family car appliances.

So, they’ve given up on that – and shifted over to trying to sell them at a price that puts them in the same segment as luxury-performance cars. Only they don’t (and can’t, absent a technological breakthrough that – like Peak Oil – never seems to arrive) perform as well as expensive luxury cars.

Which is why most people refrain from buying them.

This eludes Gross and the editorial staff of Automotive News.

And they ask me why I drink… .


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Swamp Fox
Swamp Fox
July 6, 2016 12:58 pm

The eCar, like Utopia, is an academic-inspired pipe dream. Some ideas are so screwy that only an academic could embrace them.

Utopia is the left’s vision of absolute sameness, everything matches and anything which does not must be eradicated. Utopia is the universal dream of douche baggery.

People are different, a reality the left refuses to admit.

yahsure
yahsure
July 6, 2016 1:00 pm

Offer one as a full size four wheel drive pickup.

Swamp Fox
Swamp Fox
  yahsure
July 6, 2016 3:06 pm

That’s what I drive, a Silverado 4WD Diesel Crew Cab. I love that truck.

starfcker
starfcker
July 6, 2016 1:22 pm

Tesla has 400,000 deposits for the model 3. In it’s best year, the BMW 328 only sold about 300,000 units. Tesla hopes to produce 50,000 model S and model X this year, though some analysts expect them to fall short of that number. All cars are built to order, they carry no inventory. Eric is going to wake up one morning and realize how blind he has been.

kokoda
kokoda
  starfcker
July 6, 2016 3:00 pm

star…………There is no overall incentive for the average person to own an EV. Yes, there is a big incentive not to buy gas but that is eliminated by the initial cost, range, charging time and availability.

IMO, there is a very big disincentive and it is the batteries, and their replacement/cost.

ottokar
ottokar
  starfcker
July 6, 2016 6:05 pm

teslas are government cheese for those huffing welfare queen elon musk’s exhaust.

Fabulous
Fabulous
July 6, 2016 2:47 pm

I pass several free charging stations near our home and in nyc. I have never once seen a car charging. Not once.

Dean
Dean
July 6, 2016 3:34 pm

I believe its what I call,”the wal-mart effect”.Why buy a 30k car that needs no gas,when I can get a 20k car that gets 35-40mpg? 10k buys a lot of gas! The initial outlay versus long term payoff.There is a really cool alternative,the Elio,for under 7k,but people will mostly ignore it.The K car was supposed to be the big thing when it came out,but as always,people wanted all the bells and whistles,power seats,windows,all that,and it out priced the buyers.A few years back,people were begging to buy old Geo metro’s,as gas was 4 bucks or so.People like big cars,period.In 84,I bought my first new car,a dodge d50 pickup,for 5500.I could have gotten a similar full size truck for under 10k.Today,a fairly plain work 4×4 truck STARTS at 30k!!!Thats way beyond inflation!
In closing,people need to lower they’re expectations of current electric vehicles.The technology for fast charging,long range vehicles is not there yet,but for 90% of commuters,the current crop of them are perfect,just a bit overpriced.A 20-40% price diference is a bit too much for most consumers,but have you ever seen consistant stable oil prices? Another war in the middle east will make electric cars a bargain at any price!

noway
noway
July 6, 2016 4:04 pm

Still haven’t made the PHEV I want and am waiting for. Small midsize pickup, (Ranger-Tacoma size) with a moderate size battery (~30 miles) and a modest sized (~100hp) gasoline IC generator only…no transmission, optimized for generation and 4 very powerful electric motors, one in each wheel. That should provide a class beating horse power, class beating fuel efficiency and class beating acceleration.

The battery is not really for range, it is for balancing the small efficient generator and the intermittent demand for power. Could put out 400 hp for a short while (up a hill under load) and charge batteries while cruising along. But because it is a pickup truck, it doesn’t have the green patina, so hasn’t been made.

Dean
Dean
  noway
July 6, 2016 6:09 pm

actually,if you are only using the engine as a generator for electricity to charge,or offset the use,you could use a 5 horse briggs and stratton!

juandonjuan
juandonjuan
  noway
July 6, 2016 10:00 pm

Opel, the german subsidiary of GM, was running a prototype 1 liter turbodiesel pzev back in ~~2007?
Never heard any more about it. They were targeting it at around 100-120 mpg

Mesomorph
Mesomorph
July 6, 2016 4:24 pm

“These automobiles are the devils work I tell you. If they are so great why do I still see so many horse drawn coaches about. My horse can eat and drink from just about anywhere I stop. The horseless carriages are limited to areas gasoline is available. That Henry Ford is an asshole and will fail miserably.”
Eric Erasmus Peters circa 1910

Dutchman
Dutchman
July 6, 2016 5:11 pm

Glorified golf carts, running on a array of laptop lithium-ion batteries – no kidding.

What happens when a cell shorts? How much does it cost to replace all the batteries? What’s the expected life of the battery array? Resale value?

I can’t see driving an EV here in Minnesota in zero and sub-zero weather.

Dean
Dean
  Dutchman
July 6, 2016 5:56 pm

not sure if you are up on the Tesla battery,but here you go.It use’s AAA batteries,so far.40 or so per tube,and 40 or so tubes!Pull a tube out,test it,if its bad,sort the batteries,find the bad and replace!

Grog
Grog
  Dean
July 6, 2016 7:56 pm

Bull fucking shit.
This discussion is about EV manufactured as in Tesla…

$44,564 – documented by Green Car Reports when David Noland got his battery upgraded.

If you think it’s wild: he got $29k for a USED 60KWh battery.

“Cost breakdown

The cost breakdown looked like this: Price of the new battery was $44,564. The trade-in value of my old battery was $29,681–a number arrived at by discounting its new list price of $37,102 by a 20-percent “restocking” fee.

I had hoped that the trade-in value of my old battery would be prorated for its actual use–10 months and 11,000 miles out of its guaranteed life of eight years and 125,000 miles. This would have amounted to about a 10-percent “restocking fee” rather than the actual 20 percent

But Tesla needs to make a profit on this transaction; I understand that.

The net cost to me of the new battery was $14,883. Adding five hours of labor ($600), minor parts ($125), the battery shipping cost ($1,520), and sales tax ($1,257) brought the grand total to $18,386.”

That’s a lot of “AA Batteries” … which is also a lie.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 6, 2016 5:39 pm

If people wanted electric vehicles with their limitations then the Baker Electric would have dominated instead of the Model T.

Swamp Fox
Swamp Fox
July 6, 2016 5:54 pm

The real problem with eCars, besides all their limitations, is that if you are involved in an accident, the rescue squad has to wait for a certified mechanic to shut down the electronics, lest they become victims too. Meanwhile, you bleed.

Buster Cherry
Buster Cherry
July 6, 2016 6:56 pm

Wouldn’t want to be stuck in 95 degree heat in Houston traffic trying to evacuate town when a CAT3+ hurricane is bearing down.
I do like the idea of a diesel/electric hybrid though….even better if I can plug my house into it at night and have it power household loads or for use as standby power.

ASIG
ASIG
July 6, 2016 8:27 pm

IMO the single most important issue is the charging time. A gasoline powered vehicle that is on empty can be refueled in minutes. If you could match that with a battery powered vehicle it would make all the difference.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
July 6, 2016 9:21 pm

Buying a new car off the dealer lot is not economical, especially when there are a glut of “off-lease” cars with 20k miles on the clock and a warranty in the glove box. And if you want the best of both worlds buy a plug-in Prius. 1st ten or so miles can be totally EV for those neighborhood shopping trips. Mine is doing just fine with an average 65 mpg. And it costs under a sawbuck to fill ‘er up with regular.

Dean
Dean
  Westcoaster
July 7, 2016 2:41 pm

you are the perfect buyer for an EV.Short trips,around town,etc.I’d never take an EV on a cross country trip,due to the recharge time.But,if you drive 30-40 miles a day,an ev,as a second vehicle,is perfect!If you need to do a road trip,take the savings and rent what you need.As far as them being a “glorified golf cart”,as Rush is so fond of saying,well so be it!It has A/C,all the bells and whistles,just a short range.

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
July 7, 2016 3:03 pm

The problem with electric cars is twofold. One, they are simpler, so they should be less expensive, when not including the battery. Every gas powered car has $1000 of crap installed to deal with emissions. Hell, you dont even need a computer to run an electric motor. But we do not see cheaper electric cars. Almost every electric car is MORE expensive, even when you take away the cost of the battery. When you add the battery cost, the price jsut explodes into pure price-gouging territory.

The second major issue with electrics is that they are a disaster in the winter and summer. Running the A/C or heat on an electric car totall destroys its travel distance. You can easily kill off 10% of your battery just by warming it up in the morning! And if it is 0 degrees F, or over 95F outside, you may as well consider your driving distance capacity cut cleanly in half. And who wants to deal with plugging the thing in every day when its 2 degrees outside with a -20 wind chill?

Dean
Dean
  Iconoclast421
July 7, 2016 3:37 pm

A/C uses very little electric,as its a compressor driven unit,the only electric is a fan,but you are correct on the heat issue.A lot of the cost issue is in a HYBRID setup,where you have a gas engine AND electric.There are very few pure electric vehicles,most are hybrid.The combo setup is expensive,a pure electric CAN be do on the cheap,but most are gas car bodies converted to handle the space and weight issues of the battery pack.Imagine you convert a 1/2 ton pickup to full electric…the batteries and such would take up the bed and hauling capacity,so whats the net gain?
Let’s just say you want to drive a motorcycle to work,say 20 miles…You’d LIKE to ride a full dress harley,but a scooter will do just fine….hmmmm,25k for a hardly runagain,or 2k for a 200cc scooter that gets 60mpg?
I never EVER meant or implied that EV are the best thing since ice cream,I did mean to say that for 90% of the world,they are a great option.For a short trip,retired people,about town,great! Road trips,over the road salesman,not so much. Look at it like this…would you rather hunt with a 30.06,or a .22? Both have a place and purpose.
As a disclaimer,I worked at GM desert proving grounds during the Impact/EV-1 development…That lil thing could smoke a corvette!