Why Don Coxe Expects Gold to Soar on Good Economic News

Why Don Coxe Expects Gold to Soar on Good Economic News

By The Gold Report

The standard wisdom on gold is that it does well in times of economic bad news such as in the 1970s, a period of stagflation and recessions, when the yellow metal rose from $35/oz to peak at $850/oz in 1980. But this time, Don Coxe, a portfolio adviser to BMO Asset Management, believes, things are different. In this interview with The Gold Report, Coxe explains why gold will rise when the economy improves.

The Gold Report: Are the days of easy money drawing to a close?

Don Coxe: I don’t think so. Even if the Federal Reserve begins to taper quantitative easing, the front of the curve is going to stay at zero interest rates. A trillion dollars is going through the Fed’s balance sheet, which works its way through the system. As long as the Fed keeps interest rates at zero, it’s easy money.

TGR: Will overt monetary inflation return any time soon?

DC: It will return when we have sustained economic growth. The Eurozone has been the big drag. It is definitely stronger than it was a year ago. The Eurozone has lots of problems, but it is experiencing economic growth despite the European Central Bank reducing its balance sheet in the last 12 months by almost exactly the same percentage amount that the Fed increased its balance sheet. This says that it has lots of firepower if it needs it. In addition, the Eurozone government deficits are lower than ours in terms of percentage of GDP. The Eurozone actually, despite all its highly publicized problems, has improved its financial shape relative to ours.

Also, in the last 12 months, Japan, the world’s third-biggest economy, has gone from negative growth to strongly positive growth. It is doing that by printing yen at a prodigious rate. The days of easy money are going strong.

TGR: If inflation returns, will it first appear in goods or services?

DC: In goods. If I had to pick the one point at which we’ll start to see the change, it’s when the razor-thin inventory-to-sales ratio comes under strain. Corporations are controlled by people who learned in business school over the last 20 years that the first thing to manage is inventories. This way they don’t have to worry about prices going up and don’t use corporate cash to finance an inventory that may decline in value. Therefore, when things change, it will show up in the pressure that comes because companies have so little inventory on hand. Corporations will decide that they’ve got to invest in more inventory because they’ve got more demand.

TGR: Do you think that will shake loose the vast amount of capital that’s being retained by the multinationals?

DC: It will shake loose some of it, but the big thing is it will come because prices are starting to rise. The two reinforce each other.

TGR: What do increases in monetary inflation and capital growth mean for gold?

DC: Gold rose along with the Fed balance sheet for years. The two have decoupled in the last two years. I believe the reason is people have just thrown in the towel that there will ever be inflation. If you’re “Waiting for Godot,” at some point you can reach the conclusion that Godot may never come.

TGR: Should investors bet on gold’s return to previous highs or something in that direction?

DC: I don’t think we’re going to see anything like the double-digit inflation that we saw back in the 1970s. The big difference was the tremendous power of unions then. They all had cost of living adjustments in their contracts; the Consumer Price Index (CPI) would rise in a quarter, then automatically wage rates would increase, and the two fed off each other. The weakened power of unions today has meant that we don’t have an automatic reinforcement right at the core of the system.

TGR: Let’s talk about monopolies and competition and why does the focus of big investors shift from growth to income?

DC: I’m not convinced that we’ve got a lot of monopolies out there. OPEC is no longer able to control oil prices, for example, because its share is no longer large enough to give it freedom on pricing. I believe that oil fracking will gradually start spreading from the US to other parts of the world. We don’t have that monopoly, which was the big one back in the 1970s that made it possible for OPEC to quadruple the price of oil. A quadrupling of the price of oil here is impossible because the global economy would collapse with a doubling of oil prices.

TGR: Are companies borrowing money at cheap rates to increase dividends and buy back stock? And, if so, how does that affect the system?

DC: Yes, companies are basically removing from the system what I believe is the core of capitalism, that corporate cash is used to grow a business. Investors pay a high price-earnings ratio for companies because they believe the companies can reinvest that cash and sustain their growth. When we see that corporate cash is being used to buy back stock and pay dividends, the decision-making force in the system becomes stockholders redeploying cash. In the past it was the corporations themselves through their retained earnings and effective reinvestment that drove the system.

If money that people got in dividends was invested in shares of companies that were issuing new stock in order to grow their business, then the whole system would not be losing the money. When you have a system where corporate treasurers do not assume strong future growth and they assume that these zero interest rates are going to continue for a long time, the incentive to retain earnings and plan on capital expenditures (capex) goes away.

Capex is putting money out at great cost, where companies get no immediate returns from it, whether it’s building a new building or opening up a whole area of the country. When you take that out of the system, the result is that you turn the system on its head. It used to be that the companies would, when they had the cash, decide how much was needed for capex; after that they figured out how much they would payout in dividends. The decision makers within the companies are no longer focused on creating overall economic growth through capex and expanding production.

TGR: Are we in a triple-dip or a quadruple-dip recession here?

DC: No, I think we’re coming out of it, but we’ve come out of it at a gigantic cost. The Fed had to quadruple its balance sheet, which raises all sorts of problems. We have no precedent in history of this kind of expansion of the Fed’s balance sheet.

The ratio of paper wealth to GDP is so high at a time when it’s going to be difficult for corporations to expand because, as I said, they will need a large amount of capex to meet rising demand at a time when there’s all that money out there. I would regard that as a virtual guarantee that at some point we’re going to see inflation.

This time inflation won’t come from rising wages. It will come from rising demand and the inability of corporations to swiftly respond to that demand. The technology industry can expand in a hurry because it keeps coming out with new products, but for most of the rest of the economy, it takes a while to build a plant and get the machinery ready and test it out before there actually is any production. That period of time, if you’ve got strong demand because there’s so much paper money, is the moment at which you will see inflation coming.

TGR: How will that affect gold?

DC: It will deal with the problem of faith in gold. When gold tracked the growth in the monetary base, which it did so well, there was a general conviction based on Milton Friedman’s theories that expanding the monetary base too fast eventually translates into inflation. Inflation is harder to stop than it is to just watch start growing.

We will see that interest rates will have to rise because of another group that has not been heard from in a long time: bond vigilantes. They are threatened with extinction. It will be a combination of rising interest rates and rising prices that will get people to say, “Ah ha! Milton Friedman was right after all—if you print the money, eventually you’re going to have the inflation.”

TGR: When you talk about bond vigilantes, are you talking about junk bonds or what’s known as private equity?

DC: The bond vigilantes work primarily on government bonds because they are the ones they can trade most effectively. Junk bonds are a small part of the market. With inflation the bond vigilantes sell off their 30- and 10-year bonds and move down to the 2-year note. At that point the cost of capital for expansion rises through the system because corporations can use short-term cash for some of their work, but they tend to use long-term borrowing from banks and the bond market for major projects. The cost of building those projects increases because of the steep yield curve.

TGR: Do you consider yourself to be a bear or a bull on gold?

DC: I am neutral in the short term. I’m not a bear. I’m a bull in the long term because I believe it’s not a question of if but when all this money printing eventually comes to haunt us. Gold as an asset class is so tiny in relation to the vast expansion of money around the world. With the printing that’s gone on, China has had to expand its renminbi supplies to prevent the currency from soaring relative to the dollar.

TGR: You are appearing at the upcoming Casey Fall Summit. Are you going to talk about gold there and will it be more or less what you just said?

DC: Yes. I am going to point out that the big story for gold is up until now gold has been only a bad news story. The reason why it’s in trouble right now is there always seems to be bad news in terms of inflation. People say if inflation hasn’t come now with the quadrupling of the Fed’s balance sheet, it’s never going to come, and the Fed is going to have to keep on pouring out more money because the economy isn’t growing.

When the economy starts to grow all of a sudden because, as I said earlier, of the inventory cycle, we are going to start to see inflation. Gold will become a good news story in the sense it will be responding to strong economic news at a time of massive liquidity, which translates into inflation. The fact that we’ve had all that money printing, which has only prevented us from going down into a pit, at such time as this actually leads to good economic growth. That is the point at which we’re going to see people wanting to have gold. It’s because we didn’t get the direct pass over of the money printing into rising prices that gave people a loss of faith saying, “Well, if it hasn’t come with quadrupling the Fed’s balance sheet, it’s never going to come.”

TGR: Given that, is it a good idea for investors to buy gold stocks while they’re available at basement prices?

DC: I believe that everybody should have gold insurance now. The question varies from investor to investor. What we have is an extremely high-risk central bank policy in the world, and it’s high risk based on monetarism. I believe monetarism will prove to be right because all past experiments with paper money eventually led to inflation and monetary collapse. At some point the fear of that will come. You need gold for insurance, but this time the payoff will come when the economy improves; in the past when everything was falling all around you, commodity prices were soaring out of sight. We had three recessions in the 1970s and gold went from $35 an ounce to $850. But this time, gold is going to appreciate when we start getting 3% GDP growth.

TGR: Thank you for your insights.

Don Coxe has 40 years of institutional investment experience in Canada and the US. As a strategist and investor, he has been engaged at the senior level in global capital markets through every recession and boom since the onset of stagflation in 1972. He has worked on the buy side and the sell side in many capacities and has managed both bond and equity portfolios and served as CEO, CIO, and research director. From his office in Chicago, Coxe heads up the Global Commodity Strategy investment management team, a collaboration of Coxe Advisors and BMO Global Asset Management. He is advisor to the Coxe Commodity Strategy Fund and the Coxe Global Agribusiness Income Fund in Canada, and to the Virtus Global Commodities Stock Fund in the US. Coxe has consistently been named as a top portfolio strategist by Brendan Wood International; in 2011, he was awarded a lifetime achievement award and was ranked number one in the 2007, 2008, and 2009 surveys.

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Leobeer
Leobeer
October 2, 2013 10:23 pm

Please define “good economic news”.

Coxe explains why gold will rise when the economy improves.

Are we not assuming the economy will improve ?

varnelius
varnelius
October 3, 2013 12:40 am

“Will see inflation in goods first.”

Do none of you shop for groceries? I’ve seen many goods jump 20% in the past 2 months. And that’s not even including bacon, which ATM is up about 50% from 3 months ago. (I understand that specifically is due to the virus that is going around killing many newborn pigs.) Single digit inflation my ass.

As for limited inventories, you bet. There is a very short list of things that I go to Walmart for, and I don’t do it often (I HAVE to pinch pennies everywhere). 75% of what was on my list for Walmart, they were out of stock on. A good 1/3 of those were over the counter medications, where the bulk generic was not available, and/or not even stocked anymore. For example their allergy medication. Last time I bought some I was able to get a 200 count bottle. No longer exists, 100 was it. Paid around $4 i think? Compared to the Walgreens that is a block away from my house, they had a 24 tab box for $8, and a 50 count bottle for $18. Same chemical, vastly different prices. This is why it pays to start building a mental list of your frequently purchased products, and shop around. I should note that the very same Walgreens has gallons of milk (all kinds) for $2.50, compred to the nearly $4 at both my local chain grocery store, and Walmart.

I have no doubt that once a recovery begins (or rather, even starts to take a breath), that due to the Fed’s balance sheet expansion, we will end up seeing hyperinflation. Between that and the BRICS starting up their own IMF, the USD is doomed.

varnelius
varnelius
October 3, 2013 1:01 am

Do want to express one additional thought, at first glance is seemingly unrelated.

If you live in the city, have you paid any attention to your garbage truck lately? I have not been here long (grew up in the country, and missed the changes around here when I lived in Los Angeles), but from what I have been told it wasn’t even a decade ago that 3 people used to ride the garbage trucks. There’s now a robot arm that does the “pickup,” and the driver operates it without ever getting out of the cab. That’s a reduction in the workforce in that particular role of 66%.

Yes, I commented a bit more on that QOTD thread that i commented a few days back, seems no one went back to look. One of the things I mentioned in my final comment was my tip to Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada.

My older brothers new wife (at the moment) manages the entire electronics dept at that Medicine Hat super Walmart. I would say that particular super Walmart, is about the same size as the one we have here in Superior, WI. It had about 50% more employees working (at least). Stopped at the super Walmart in Havre, MT. It was about half the size of the above mentioned ones, and isn’t even open 24/7. First and only super Walmart I have seen that is like that.

But the Bismark, ND “south” super Walmart, was twice the size of the above two “regular supers”, was way more crowded, and yet with all that commerce going on, they had all of 3 cashiers working when I was there, 2 “regular” lanes, which easily had a dozen people in line each, and the “self checkout” lady, who was managing 8 terminals. 4 of which were electronic only, 4 were cash/electronic. I did end up visiting the “north” Bismark super Walmart, that one was even more busy, but still could not find what I was looking for (needed a gas cap for my ’96 Windstar), and thus paid very little attention to what the checkout conditions were like.

From what I heard from locals, at the Williston, ND Walmart, they don’t even have shelves. They just park pallets of goods, and within 24h they are gone.

Energy prices are on the rise, and it is resulting in dramatic reductions in employment (and employment expenses) to try and keep the profit margins going. With this many fewer people working these previously stable jobs, it’s no wonder the economy is having such a hard time getting going. Those 1% that own 40% of all stocks tho, are doing great!

Nonanonymous
Nonanonymous
October 3, 2013 6:01 am

Varn, why are we doomed? Everything you mention is man’s own doing. Can we not rise above the despair, individually and collectively as a people? Why must we accept the spin from the MSM and their handlers?

Apparently, it’s sunny in PA. Oops, bad analogy. Even in Detroit, people are pulling together. Don’t think for one minute the Devil doesn’t take notice. He’ll continue to work where his efforts pay off the most, at the highest levels of government, finance, business, and religion.

varnelius
varnelius
October 4, 2013 1:53 am

@nonanon I take it you have not been a regular visitor of TheOilDrum (which is now shutdown, but you can back-read the archive).

It all boils down to EROEI. “Energy Return on Energy Invested.” If you look back at the early 1900s, for every $1-2 invested on an oil well, the owner would get upwards of $100 back. Now-days with horizontal frac wells, deep offshore, they are spending much closer of $2-3 for $5 back. When you burn so much of your energy to get your next “fix.” you have that much less resources to pay the workers that make it happen (let alone, the workers that only just keep you fed and aren’t doing the actual drilling).

The whole decline in energy return ratio is causing all the marginal workers to get paid less, which puts that much fewer dollars into circulation in the economy. With the 1% being greedy, and refusing to take a cut while they watch the rest of the nation/world take a cut, its made the cuts that have happened to the 99% that much more severe. In the end, the economy isn’t going to recover, unless there is a change there.

Even if the 1% did take a cut, it’s not entirely clear the 99% would feel much from it. The EROEI is just getting too far out of whack. As was theorized on TOD, the economy is beginning a period where energy prices spike, cause a recession, oil crashes. Economy beings to recover, oil prices spike again, cause a recession. A “staircase” down.

varnelius
varnelius
October 4, 2013 2:09 am

Actually, my last post was a little misleading. Let me word in in a different way:

Back in 1900-1910, it would take 1-2 units of energy to drill an oil well to get 100 units of energy back. Now days it is taking 2-3 units of energy to get 5 units of energy.

I don’t care which method of extracting the “tar sands” in Albera you pick, whether using pit mining or in situ methods, you end up needing quite a bit of Natural Gas just to get the stuff to a liquid format so you can transport it easier.

Enbridge put in a new series of lines/converted lines to flow light ends like Naptha from US refiners (who have a hard time finding demand for all of that product) to flow up north to Edmonton, so it can be mixed with the tar sands liquids to make it flow down the pipelines easier. Once it gets to the refineries here, that stuff is re-extracted and pipelined back north.

Oh and the last post I read about oil refining around here (esp the comments dealt with Diesel and the prices thereof), there is much that can be done in a refinery to “crack” heavy hydrocarbons and “merge” light hydrocarbons into the desired result. In Europe, due to the vehicles on the road, output is heavily skewed to Diesel. Here in the USA, refineries are skewed towards unleaded gasoline. Asia is a mix of the 2.

Trying to say the reason Diesel is high here is because there isn’t enough produced is bullshit. We could tweak the refineries that way. Hell on my trip to Alberta back in June, i saw more then a few trains where 4 locomotives (but still, only 2 people manning it) were pulling upwards of 250 containers/semi trailers. Rail is much more efficient, and long distance trucking is moving to rail. Less employees. Less employment cost. Less transport cost. Higher corp profits. But less dollars going around in the economy from the common man (less of them working).

Just wait until they start to robotize both long haul trains, and long haul truckers. Mitsubishi is already talking about making automated semi trucks (or was it Volvo? I forget). Automated vehicles are coming to both forms of transit. And in both cases are already here. Once those enter mass use, garbage trucks are not far behind.

Automated forklift warehouses are already also a reality.

varnelius
varnelius
October 4, 2013 2:24 am

One more set of thoughts @nonanon

You brought god/the devil into this. The devil could care less about money. He’s not here walking around needing it/spending it. Its him causing greed in the hearts of men. The TBTF bankers are a good example of this. Yes his entire goal is to cause pain and suffering, so much that people turn away from god. Don’t think for a second that greed is his sole weapon, even the distractions that are broadcast tv (let alone cable tv), are keeping people distracted and not doing what they should be doing.

Trusting the MSM? Hell I barely watch it. Only enough to monitor what is being sold to the general public, and even that is fading. I used to watch the CBS/NBC world news casts daily. Too often these days I tire of their misleading drivel and tune into TYT on youtube. I was a liberal/democrat. Now I consider myself a liberation. While The Young Turks are liberal, they call a spade a spade. Even Obama isn’t immune from his shenanigans, when he starts spewing bs. They call him on it.

There are some things they say that I don’t agree with, but they hit a lot of news that otherwise never gets headlines, and 95% of the time, I agree with them. /rant