As I was reading this comment from Hardscrabble Farmer on the Lazy Teenager thread it struck me. His comments remind me of reading Steinbeck’s Grapes of Wrath. They are so visual and plain spoken and wise. I’m looking forward to meeting our resident John Steinbeck later this week for a beer when he is in Philly on business. I can tell him how exhausted I am from working on that excel spreadsheet all day. 🙂
The past couple of days we have been making hay while the Sun shines, literally. There are several acres of hillsides too steep to mow with the sickle bar cutter, so my 17 year old son and I cut them with scythes and then rake the cut grass into windrows where it dries. These have to be flipped at least three times before we pick them up and make haycocks for the cattle. Scything is about 70% cutting and 30% honing and peening the blade so it involves extreme physicality and focused precision work with hammer, anvil and whetstone. Add to it the delicate rake work of tossing the cut grass into windrows on slopes that pitch like a 7:12 roofline and you start to get the picture.
Of all the things that we do it is the most physically draining, the most demanding in terms of straight through work- from just after the dew dries in the morning until we finally break for supper at 8:30 or so. We talk to one another off and on about books, about history, about family about his future. He is leaving in a week to backpack his way through Europe, from Barcelona to Geneva and we will miss him, but until then he works beside me harder than 90% of most adult males in our culture.
The group he is going with are predominantly the sons and daughters of the well to do. Jokingly I told him that when they sit around the alpine huts in the evening watching the last light fade from the snow covered slopes of Mont Blanc and they are gossiping about their early admission to Yale or Harvard he tell them about how he paid his way on the trip by felling oaks and then splitting them into fence rails, or digging a well by hand, or scything the steep hillsides of his family farm to make hay for his flocks and herds for the Winter ahead.
“You know they won’t believe it.” he says.
“But you’ll know it’s true.” I reply.
And this is followed by the soft snicking sound of blade against stem, in cadence, for quite some time.
The fact that so many have surrendered their lives to indolence and sloth says a great deal about the culture we inhabit. That their children follow in their footsteps is to be expected because that is the example that they set and it is all that they will likely ever know. It is not an excuse, however for those who understand their responsibility as parents, who believe in a better future for their own children, who plan further ahead than their next EBT transfer from Uncle Sugar.
After we had finished last night we took a walk into the south pasture where the cattle were grazing and studied the grasses, talked about the nitrogen benefits of the various clovers and vetches, and about his plans for building a couple of hobbity cottages along the bouldered hillsides where the stately maples grew in profusion. He sees the farm as a destination for moneyed urban types with an itch to visit the countryside for a long weekend, where they can wake up in the morning to the sound of ewes bleating to their lambs, and eat fresh eggs with yolks the color of tangerines. I listen to him talk about his love for this piece of property, about the light falling in the forest never penetrates deep enough to shake off the blue darkness inside, and even after his day how much he enjoys working beside me.
Next week when he boards his flight, by himself with nothing but his backpack and the clothes he is wearing, I will be watching him go with a small degree of sadness, but with such a deep well of pride in him that it will temper anything else. He is confident well beyond his years, bright and funny and completely fearless of the future unlike so many of his contemporaries, and he has earned his trip from the sweat of his brow, something that means more to him than he understands right now. But one day he will and it will be a foundation upon which he will build his own future.
I feel bad for the teenagers that miss this, but my son is not one of them, and he makes his parents very proud.
HSF,
Nice read and I will trade you one 23 y.o. for yours and 10 Gold Eagles. Hope his trip is rewarding.
John Steinbeck, good call.
Not sure if I would compare HF with Steinbeck, given Steinbeck’s obvious socialist bent and buddy-buddy relationship with that motherfucker LBJ… plus, Steinbeck grew up pretty well off, then spent his time slumming with the poor and writing about them. I don’t think that describes our HF.
HF is a good writer, I’ll give him that. That’s the only comparison I would make with Steinbeck. HF’s also a fellow landowner, farmer and producer. From what I can glean from his writing, he’s a good man. He works his ass off and happens to be a good writer on top of that. Steinbeck, to the best of my knowledge, didn’t do shit other than scribble…
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” – John Steinbeck
Anyone who throws around communist revolutionary jargon like this has got to be a gigantic asshat.
“…John Steinbeck was also considered the most popular American author in the Soviet Union during the Communist era. But one would question the reason for this popularity because Soviet Government was known to keep a tight grip on the political novels written, and they primarily kept their subjects sheltered from exposure to such opinions…” – John Steinbeck and Communism
Easy answer. The Soviets allowed Steinbeck’s work to be widely read in the Soviet Union because he espoused the beliefs of the ruling Soviets themselves… perhaps he didn’t come out and say that Communism, and it’s retarded second cousin, Socialism, were the answer, but he did back their play…
The guy could write, I’ll give him that. But couching an evil doctrine in good writing does not transmute the evil contained therein…
Awesome. Reminds me of much of my own childhood and the relationship I had with my dad. Mine is similar but different with my son. He works and saves for everything he has. We live in the west and are more hunter/gatherers than farmers. He has been following me into the mountains since he was little and has carried his own pack and rifle since he was 9 or 10. He is studious, polite and creative and not afraid of life. He looks at the world with a sense of curiosity and is inquisitive. He has his own mind and does not care what others think of him. He is only 12 but makes his dear dad very very proud.
God’s greatest gift to us is family – our sons and daughters are our legacies. Congratulations to you for yours. Enjoy every moment of it.
The real reason socialism never took root in Steinbecks Time was the fact that Christianity still had a prominent place in American culture. Christianity teaches one not to covet anyone else’s property. Not to envy and hate other people for what they are or have.The socialist knew they would have to weaken or destroy the Christian faith in order to take over the culture institutions of the nation. They have done a good job of doing just that. You people who mock GOD and the Christian faith are going see what America is like without Christianity as a protective hedge. The only real protection you have is God’s Moral Law and once people reject the Moral Law then anything is possible including genocide.You are going to lose your rights , your bank accounts ,your 401ks ,your pensions ,your land ,your farms and any thing else that’s not nailed down.This government has already written the laws . All the president has to do is sign them and at that moment you will own nothing and you will never again have rights.
“‘Hold hard!’ said I at this, ‘tell your story as you ought, Senor Don Montesinos, for you know very well that all comparisons are odious, and there is no occasion to compare one person with another;
Billy is full of shit with his half assed portrayal of Steinbeck. Billy is proof that a little knowledge is dangerous. Steinbeck was as handy and hard working as anyone on TBP. Yeah Steinbeck was a true communist who was a WW II war correspondent wounded a number of times, worked with the CIA during the 1950s and supported the Vietnam War against the communists. Billy – sometimes you’re a real dumbass. I guess I’m a communist because I hate bankers and mega-corporations. And all the idiots who gave Billy thumbs up, you’re clueless dumbasses too. Steinbeck was an individualist who stood up to the status quo, stood up for the little guy, and refused to back down to a government that persecuted him.
Steinbeck lived in a small rural town, no more than a frontier settlement, set in some of the world’s most fertile land.[6] He spent his summers working on nearby ranches and later with migrant workers on Spreckels sugar beet farms. There he became aware of the harsher aspects of migrant life and the darker side of human nature, which supplied him with material expressed in such works as Of Mice and Men.[6] He also explored his surroundings, walking across local forests, fields, and farms.[6] While working at Spreckels Sugar Company, he would sometimes work in their laboratory, which gave him time to write.[7] He also had considerable mechanical aptitude and fondness for making his own repairs to things he owned.[7]
During this period of the Great Depression, Steinbeck bought a small boat, and later claimed that he was able to live on the fish and crab that he gathered from the sea, as well as fresh vegetables from his garden and local farms. When that didn’t work, he was not above getting welfare, or rarely even stealing food from the local produce market.[7] Whatever food they had, they would share with their friends.[
Steinbeck followed this wave of success with The Grapes of Wrath (1939), based on newspaper articles about migrant agricultural workers that he had written in San Francisco. It is commonly considered his greatest work. According to The New York Times, it was the best-selling book of 1939 and 430,000 copies had been printed by February 1940. In that month it won the National Book Award, favorite fiction book of 1939, voted by members of the American Booksellers Association.[11] Later that year it won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction[12] and it was adapted as a film directed by John Ford, starring Henry Fonda as Tom Joad; Fonda was nominated for the best actor Academy Award.
Grapes was controversial. Steinbeck’s New Deal political views, negative portrayal of aspects of capitalism, and sympathy for the plight of workers, led to a backlash against the author, especially close to home.[13] Claiming the book was both obscene and misrepresented conditions in the county, the Kern County Board of Supervisors banned the book from the county’s publicly funded schools and libraries in August 1939. This ban lasted until January 1941.[14]
Of the controversy, Steinbeck wrote, “The vilification of me out here from the large landowners and bankers is pretty bad. The latest is a rumor started by them that the Okies hate me and have threatened to kill me for lying about them. I’m frightened at the rolling might of this damned thing. It is completely out of hand; I mean a kind of hysteria about the book is growing that is not healthy.”
In 1943, Steinbeck served as a World War II war correspondent for the New York Herald Tribune and worked with the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor of the CIA).[19] It was at that time he became friends with Will Lang, Jr. of Time/Life magazine. During the war, Steinbeck accompanied the commando raids of Douglas Fairbanks, Jr.’s Beach Jumpers program, which launched small-unit diversion operations against German-held islands in the Mediterranean. At one point, he accompanied Fairbanks on an invasion of an island off the coast of Italy and helped capture Italian and German prisoners, using a Tommy Gun. Some of his writings from this period were incorporated in the documentary Once There Was a War (1958).
Steinbeck returned from the war with a number of wounds from shrapnel and some psychological trauma.
Documents released by the Central Intelligence Agency in 2012 indicate that Steinbeck offered his services to the Agency in 1952, while planning a European tour, and the Director of Central Intelligence himself, Walter Bedell Smith, was eager to take him up on the offer.[41] What work, if any, Steinbeck may have performed for the CIA during the Cold War is unknown, but the correspondence itself is curious, given his earlier history with leftist organizations and individuals.
In 1967, when he was sent to Vietnam to report on the war, his sympathetic portrayal of the United States Army led the New York Post to denounce him for betraying his liberal past. Steinbeck’s biographer, Jay Parini, says Steinbeck’s friendship with President Lyndon B. Johnson influenced his views on Vietnam.[9] Steinbeck may also have been concerned about the safety of his son serving in Vietnam.
Steinbeck complained publicly about government harassment. Thomas Steinbeck, the author’s eldest son, said that J. Edgar Hoover, director of the FBI at the time, could find no basis for prosecuting Steinbeck and therefore used his power to encourage the U.S. Internal Revenue Service to audit Steinbeck’s taxes every single year of his life, just to annoy him. According to Thomas, a true artist is one who “without a thought for self, stands up against the stones of condemnation, and speaks for those who are given no real voice in the halls of justice, or the halls of government. By doing so these people will naturally become the enemies of the political status quo.”
Thanks for the story, Hardscrabble. Some lyrics from “God Bless the Child”, a Billie Holiday song (1941).
Them that’s got shall have
Them that’s not shall lose
So the Bible said and it still is news
Mama may have, Papa may have
But God bless the child that’s got his own
That’s got his own
Yes, the strong gets more
While the weak ones fade
Empty pockets don’t ever make the grade
Mama may have, Papa may have
But God bless the child that’s got his own
That’s got his own
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_1LfT1MvzI
I still think LLPOH’s assessment of Billy as: ‘Billy see, Billy kill’ is accurate. I do not look to Billy for literary insight but if I want to kill someone, I shall consult him first.
Mogen David and the Grapes of Wrath……a group from the 60s. I have no fucking idea what they sang but I always liked the name. Increasing losing touch with reality, maybe that’s not all bad?
Admin , your an anarchist or at least you say you are which I find amusing. The Steinbeck s of the world are still apostate traitors and they will be the first to use government to take everything you think
You own.What are going to do when the real anarchist , communist and fascist show their true colors ?
Are you going to fight these traitors?
bb
Go fuck yourself, you douchebag asshole.
Another Socialist/Communist that pea brained bb and know it all Billy surely scorn:
“Looking at the world as a whole, the drift for many decades has been not towards anarchy but towards the reimposition of slavery. We may be heading not for general breakdown but for an epoch as horribly stable as the slave empires of antiquity. James Burnham’s theory has been much discussed, but few people have yet considered its ideological implications — that is, the kind of world-view, the kind of beliefs, and the social structure that would probably prevail in a state which was at once unconquerable and in a permanent state of ‘cold war’ with its neighbors…
It is the same in all wars; the soldiers do the fighting, the journalists do the shouting, and no ‘true patriot’ ever gets near a front-line trench, except on the briefest of propaganda-tours.”
George Orwell
el rabid mutt said:
“I do not look to Billy for literary insight but if I want to kill someone, I shall consult him first. ”
If you need to consult someone on such a subject you’d probably be better off making friends with your intended victim than killing them.
Admin , Steinbeck was like George B Shaw when ask about poor people he said…I HATE POOR PEOPLE..They love humanity but hate people . Typical communist.
Steinbeck at best was a fool and another useful idiot for socialism. I have read his books and never been impressed. He was not a great writer you have just been told he was by other liberals in the media. One last thing , the real revolutionaries (anarchists , communist , fascists )will not tolerate you for one moment. They hate people like you .Coffee house anarchists ,communist, and liberals will be the first to disappear.
bb
I read almost all the comments made on this site. I rarely read your comments because I know they are being made by an idiot with a sub 100 IQ. There is absolutely no knowledge or insights anyone can gain from your inane religious neo-con drivel. And I mean that sincerely.
Hard Farmer , you an ok writer but no where near Steinbeck .Steinbeck was a good writer but not a great writer. People have been brain washed into believing he was great. Carry on
I’m tellin’ ya……..skipping over shit for brains (bb) comments make TBP an enjoyable experience. It’s just like he doesn’t exist. The only thing that that would be better would be to permanently boot his sorry ass. No need to keep him around as an example of village idiocy……..enough progressives stop by to accomplish that.
Americans are under divine judgement. Americans have deserved judgement since the killing of Indians, and the theft of their land. What you sow is what you reap. Now take it like adults, and stop crying about it.
IndenturedServant says:
el rabid mutt said:
“I do not look to Billy for literary insight but if I want to kill someone, I shall consult him first. ”
If you need to consult someone on such a subject you’d probably be better off making friends with your intended victim than killing them.
What’s your problem, IS? a coyote is not a mutt and hardly rabid, it is a shy creature, a picture of desperation in cartoons and nature films. It is known for its brains, hence the name Wile E. But I suspect your barb is directed at me, why? Because I criticized your butt buddy? I took it easy on him, when i quoted Cervantes, it was an indirect reference to his assinine comment. He is so fucking transparent, he got the red ass because Steinbeck wrote a sympathetic account of the Californios in Tortilla Flat. The bastard has not directed a word to me since I called him a slippery pig because he sees himself as a master debater when all he is is a shape-shifting weasel that alternates between playing the hard-ass and the victim, acting innocent and accusatory in an instant trying to put his challenger off balance. And you get pissed off at me because you want to suck his dick. Fuck you. Fuck you. Your as tone deaf as Billy. When did I say I want to kill anyone? I said IF I want to kill anyone, as you could imagine if you had the capacity to imagine anything, I would never have cause to consult that fucker. Did I already say fuck you?
It was just a play on your handle. No problem here.
It’s rants like this that cause me to think you and bb are one in the same. You’re moodier than most women I know.
Oh Noes! Admin and El Macho don’t like me anymore! Waaaahhhh….. I don’t share their opinion of Steinbeck and suck his dick, so that means I MUST be a dumbass and they hate me! Waaahhhhhhhh!
Admin – I like Steinbeck’s writing, same as I like Orwell’s writing. And Huxley and Morris and McCullough and a whole shitload of other guys. But liking the way someone writes in a fictional book and admiring/agreeing with their political stance are two entirely different animals..
YOU seem to think that Steinbeck was overtaken by a fit of patriotic flag waiving and civic virtue and just up and decided to contribute to the war. Also afterwards when he offered his services to the CIA in the 50’s. My analysis wasn’t “halfassed”. I didn’t talk about these things because I think they’re BULLSHIT.
People suck. Steinbeck had Hoover and the FBI on his ass. How else better to rid yourself of those guys than to go out of your way to volunteer your services to them? “Oh, Steinbeck’s alright. He’s working for the CIA now. Plus, he did that whole War Correspondent thing.. We should just leave him alone.” I believe what he did was completely self-serving. Plus, hooking up with Douglas Fairbanks? What, like it was a fucking Marvel Mash-up? “THIS ISSUE ONLY! FAIRBANKS AND STEINBECK TEAM UP TO KICK NAZI ASS AND TAKE NAMES!”
If he REALLY sympathized with the working poor, then why not stand on principal? Which group made up the front line troops? The 1% didn’t send their kids to war. (Unless it was like old Joe Kennedy – their kids get made into officers so they can be “war heroes” and then leverage that into a political career… Joe Kennedy’s oldest boy got killed playing one-upmanship with his brother John. He wanted a better, more prestigious medal. And he got his dumb ass shot down and killed for it.)
Steinbeck writes about the working poor, and everyone boo hoo’s, and they hang a Pulitzer on him. He makes a pile of money from his book(s). Apparently, exploiting the plight of the working poor is just fine when you’re writing a book, but when they’re being killed by the hundreds of thousands in WWII, well, I guess that’s okay because Steinbeck didn’t say shit about the front line troops being comprised of mostly poor, working class whites or that they were fighting a banker’s war. Guess Steinbeck figured getting Hoover and his boys off his ass was more important than standing on principal…
The rich exploit the poor. What a SHOCKER! When did this start?!? I hate TBTF banks, the Banksters, the Fed and mega-corporations (that are “people”?) just as much as you do, and I didn’t call you a fucking communist, ya cranky old fuck. Steinbeck was buddies with LBJ. I DESPISE LBJ. Really. I got the same brand of hate for that guy as I do for child molesters, rapists, etc. That Steinbeck claims a friendship with him betrays a serious character flaw…
@ El Pipí
Fuck you, taco bender. Just like you to claim victory about me not responding to your dumbshit comments when I’m not even here to respond… sorry I don’t follow you around like a fucking dog, waiting for dumbshit comments to fall from your fat fucking mouth so I can rebut them. I’ll try to act more like a bitch and just follow you everywhere from now on, just in case you say something bad about me… wait, no I won’t.
I don’t see myself as a “master debater”. I got my position, I backstop it and I’m not going to give in just because that cranky old fuck Admin and you say some bad shit about me. You got some nerve saying IS is sucking my dick when you, yourself go out of your way to suck Llpoh’s dick… I don’t give a fuck about “literary insight”. We’re not talking about that, beaner. We’re fucking TALKING about Steinbeck’s political leanings, NOT THE FUCKING BOOK ya dumb fucking Mexican.. put down the Quervo and try to fucking focus and stay on topic.
Or was that your play the whole time? Try to slam me as some sort of illiterate dumbass, when we’re not specifically talking about a book, just so you can get in a free dig and some traction against me? Nah, you’re not that smart. More like you just cheap-shotted me because that’s what the fucking mexicans do and I don’t expect you to change anytime soon…
Thanks for your analysis of my personality. You can now go back to alternating between throating Llpoh’s dick, wolfing down burritos and fucking your donkey…
“..a coyote is not a mutt and hardly rabid, it is a shy creature, a picture of desperation in cartoons and nature films. It is known for its brains, hence the name Wile E. ” – El Dumbshit
Coyotes are fucking nasty. Inbred, freeloading, smelly, unwanted vermin… a lot like the mexicans. In fact, 15 years ago, we didn’t HAVE either one around here… so the similarities continue.
They prey on livestock and deer, the freeloading fucks (coyotes, not mexicans). In fact, they are so hated and reviled, the Commonwealth hath decreed that we can go out of our way to exterminate them with extreme prejudice, wherever they are found. I take great pleasure in every single one I skrag..
That you choose to adopt the name of a particularly vile inbred piece of shit is not surprising… “Wile E.”? Really? The same Wile E. that has everything blow up in his fucking face because he’s so fucking stupid? Jeezus… just go back to yelling catcalls at white women and drinking hooch… when I want the opinion of a fucking mexican… well, scratch that. I will never want the opinion of a fucking mexican. Ever. So there’s that.
Billy gets his panties in a twist because I called him out on his vapid character analysis of Steinbeck. Cherry picking selective parts of a man’s life and making an overall judgement of the person is for the weak minded. Steinbeck was persecuted by the government for decades. When McCarthy and his horde of scumbags went after a friend of Steinbeck’s. He didn’t cower and slink away like most of the pussy curs. He defended his friend and then came under the glare of the communist hunters.
Steinbeck took the side of the working poor against the bankers and land barons. His life is a testament to standing up for what you believe and not backing down. You despise LBJ, but I bet you would have supported the Vietnam War too.
Read my Grapes of Wrath post and learn a few things.
Admin,
You accuse ME of cherry-picking, then go on to cherry pick McCarthy – completely ignoring the fact that McCarthy was right. When the old Soviet Union imploded and we had access to some of the files of the KGB, McCarthy was vindicated. He. Was. Right. Or are you going to dispute that?
Supported the Vietnam war? At which point in my life? Starry-eyed, idealistic idiot in my late teens? Or jaded, cynical – and much wiser – version of me in my mid 40’s? Pick one.
Oh, poor Steinbeck was persecuted. Boo fucking hoo. Every day on TBP, we rail against the evils of socialism and communism, mercilessly headhunt the leftist Progs who try to foist that garbage on the rest of us, make fun of the Euro-trash who self-inflicted that crap on themselves… but Steinbeck writes a book that seems to at least support socialism and when the government goes after him, we’re supposed to sympathize with him because…..? Since when is he off limits? Fuck him. The guy writes a book that “supports” the working poor, but instead he ends up exploiting them, makes a giant pile of cash, wins a Pulitzer, fame, fortune, blah, blah, blah… and you hold this hypocrite up as a role model? Yeah, pretty much fuck him.
Got my panties in a twist? Damn right I did. Hold this hypocritical fag up as a role model, and he has feet of clay worse than most… granted, nobody is perfect, but don’t hold this guy up and say his shit don’t stink – tell the OTHER side of the story.
Admin,
And I did read your other post. You pretty much skewer the Fed and their acolytes – the banks – as the main cause of the Great Depression. I got no beef with anything you wrote.
Being poor blows. And the rich exploit the poor. This has happened since money was invented. Hell, I’d wager that anyone with resources – prior to the invention of actual “money – exploited those who had none. Same shit, different era.
But trading one evil for another isn’t a solution. I will always oppose communism and it’s retarded cousin socialism. It is “equality”, but at the point of a bayonet. Inequality is the default setting of the human condition. Not supporting the Fed or the banksters – those who prey on and exploit those who have less will always be around and will always be evil. Stating a fact does not mean I support it.
If you think I got all the answers, get in line. I got no easy fixes for this shit.
So Billy is a big McCarthy fan. Yes, he was a fine American, ruining lives without evidence. Witch trial hearings designed to get him the most publicity is definitely the best way to protect the nation.
I guess you’re a big fan of the NSA too. They are keeping us safe from evil doers too.
McCarthy was a fucking nutjob. Your character assessments tell me a lot about you.
Fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck…
Only in TBP-land can saying “Hey, that guy was right” somehow makes one a fanboy or a dick sucker… geezus gawd almighty…
Then you use Reductio ad absurdum to try and make me look like an NSA-supporting goon, even though every post I’ve ever put up that deals with the NSA completely excoriates them… nice try, Oldie.
This one is priceless –> “Your character assessments tell me a lot about you.”
How is saying “Dude was right” or “I don’t agree with Steinbeck’s political stance” in any way assesses someone’s character? You’re just being disingenuous and stamping your wrinkly old foot, throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks…
I thought you were better than this. Your bitchy little rants tell me a great deal as well. You’re used to pontificating and posting good articles. And most are outstanding and I get behind 100%. But when anyone takes a stand opposite of you or challenges you on anything, you puff up like a pissed off blowfish and get all pissy, stamp your foot, etc…
Guess you ain’t the guy I thought you were. Someone once told me the worst thing a person can do is not live up to someone else’s expectations… too bad for you.
Billy
I’ve ignored your racist rants. Everyone on this site knows you’re a racist. Your rants have driven good people away from this site. Is that a bitchy enough rant for ya?
Aren’t you late for your Sunday KKK meeting?
For the record, I said Steinbeck’s friendship with LBJ betrayed a serious character flaw… NOT his writing… again, nice try Oldie.
These comments remind me of the shit that went back and forth when Pete Seeger died. My opinion, as always is that politics can just kiss my ass. What matters is what you do with your life and what you produce. If it is beautiful then that’s enough for me.
JOE McCARTHY WAS RIGHT?
Unsubstantiated accusations never proven by an alcoholic who faked his military record and was censured by his own colleagues in the Senate. Prove that Joe McCarthy was right. Let’s see your facts.
The term McCarthyism, coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy’s practices, was soon applied to similar anti-communist activities. Today the term is used more generally in reference to demagogic, reckless, and unsubstantiated accusations, as well as public attacks on the character or patriotism of political opponents.[2]
With the highly publicized Army–McCarthy hearings of 1954, and following the death of Senator Lester Hunt of Wyoming by suicide that same year,[8] McCarthy’s support and popularity faded. On December 2, 1954, the Senate voted to censure Senator McCarthy by a vote of 67 to 22, making him one of the few senators ever to be disciplined in this fashion. McCarthy died in Bethesda Naval Hospital on May 2, 1957, at the age of 48. The official cause of death was acute hepatitis; it is widely accepted that this was caused, or at least exacerbated, by alcoholism.[9]
He would leave the Marines with the rank of captain. He flew twelve combat missions as a gunner-observer, earning the nickname of “Tail-Gunner Joe” in the course of one of these missions.[19]
He later claimed 32 missions in order to qualify for a Distinguished Flying Cross, which he received in 1952. McCarthy publicized a letter of commendation which he claimed had been signed by his commanding officer and countersigned by Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, then Chief of Naval Operations. However, it was revealed that McCarthy had written this letter himself, in his capacity as intelligence officer. A “war wound” that McCarthy made the subject of varying stories involving airplane crashes or anti-aircraft fire was in fact received aboard ship during a ceremony for sailors crossing the equator for the first time.[18][20]
After three largely undistinguished years in the Senate, McCarthy rose suddenly to national fame in February 1950 when he asserted in a speech that he had a list of “members of the Communist Party and members of a spy ring” who were employed in the State Department.[4] McCarthy was never able to prove his sensational charge.
In succeeding years after his 1950 speech, McCarthy made additional accusations of Communist infiltration into the State Department, the administration of President Harry S. Truman, the Voice of America, and the United States Army. He also used various charges of communism, communist sympathies, disloyalty, or homosexuality to attack a number of politicians and other individuals inside and outside of government.[5]
Not as widely known as McCarthy’s anti-Communist crusade were his various attempts to intimidate, and expel from government positions, persons whom he accused, or threatened to publicly accuse, of homosexuality.
IndenturedServant says:
“You’re moodier than most women I know.” Point well taken, is could be a blood sugar swing or male menopause, I’m not sure.
Billy says:
“That you choose to adopt the name of a particularly vile inbred piece of shit is not surprising.”
It’s just a moniker, that you go on to describe all its negative qualities is in keeping with your habit. You have to find fault with everyone to feel better about yourself or to justify assassinating them even post mortem.
I enjoyed your rant about Mexicans and me in particular. If I ever need an entertainer for my party I will surely want to have you over to tell us beaners the truth, sort of hold a mirror up to us like an oral novelist.
What the fuck are you backstopping? Your just a bullshitter, I don’t fuck donkeys, bend tacos, or claim victory over you. If you would read for comprehension, I said you never directed another word to me, like your feeling were butthurt and you never got over it. You even complained, like a pouting bitch, that I pay more attention to LLPOH. I am embarrased to even say his name out loud, the man has PRINCIPLES, he has reached the stratus level you could never hope to reach. His honesty is the stuff of legend, his personal accomplishments would astound and deflate your gargatuan ego to a mere bubble in frog jism.
Of course you would have to go dumpster diving in his trash to find a crumb of crud that you could exploit to defame him. How true to your swine nature.
el -Coyote …NIWS…simply the best of all time..+ 1000
Admin: “Biwwy, youwe a WAAAYYYCISSSS!!! You being wayciss has dwiven good peopwe away fwum da site! You don’t wike evwybuddy an don’t shawe dere wuv of evwywun or shawe dere opinion of evwywun, so you must be an EEEVIWL WAYYCISS!!”
Me: “Yeah? So? Nothing written anywhere I gotta like anyone, or even TOLERATE anyone.”
Somehow, I knew you would play the WAYCISS Card. When all else fails, play the Wayciss Card, the Class Card, etc, etc. Because attempted character assassination always works, right? You’ve learned well from the Leftists. Wasn’t that one of the rules for radicals? Don’t attack the message, attack the messenger? Then the messenger gets pissed and spends so much time defending against accusations, the original message gets lost and forgotten. Saul Alinsky would be proud of you.
Too bad that shit don’t work on me. Next.
IS – gotta learn when Coyote is serious and when he is just having fun. That is when you see how funny he is. You headed into winter yet?
La Chucha says “It’s just a moniker, that you go on to describe all its negative qualities is in keeping with your habit. You have to find fault with everyone to feel better about yourself or to justify assassinating them even post mortem.”
Awww, poor little scrap insults me – though I had not said one word to him- then extols the virtues of a mangy piece of shit pest – whose name he has adopted – and when I insult him back in retaliation, pretends to “psychoanalyze” me. Boo hoo. Sniff. I might just cry.
“I enjoyed your rant about Mexicans and me in particular.”
Good. Lots more where that came from, pool digger.
I can substitute the slurping noise from you sucking Llpoh’s dick for the rest of your post… it amounts to the same thing and is slightly more valuable.
Don’t much care about your opinion of me… like I told you, I don’t think I’ll ever want the opinion of a fucking mexcrement.. you may now fuck off.
Oh, you might want flashy to come over and put your tampons in for you… he’s suck a fanboy of yours, it seems like a job he is suited for.
Llpoh,
Sorry Chief, I’m not the one who opened that particular bag of worms. Talk to your roach buddy the next time he’s giving you a reach-around.
I’m not seeing where Admin did shit… or where that Pachuco “finished me off”… you’re just dogpiling, hoping that the momentum will go your way…
Yep.. don’t see that happening either.
Billy heading to his KKK meeting. I learned this from my prophet – Saul Alinsky.
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llpoh said:
“You headed into winter yet?”
Huh?
As far as Coyote goes, my jury is still out on him. I still think he is bb most of the time. Maybe I just don’t get his brand of sarcasm as many of his posts just leave me scratching my head.
Don’t forget, you and Billy are supposed to be like peas and carrots since you are both from a “warrior culture” or some such bullshit. I think he just made that up to avoid tangling with you when he found out you were Indian and just before he got around to issuing a racist rant about Indians. He’s probably still breathing a sigh of relief over that one. Then again, I could be wrong. It happened once before.
Oh look, Admin beating a dead horse… told you that you won’t get any traction with the WAYYCISS! Word of Power… don’t care anymore. Haven’t cared for years.
Admin at a Saul Alinsky love-in…
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Billy
Besides niggers, spics, kikes, and the slanty eyed asians, who else do you hate?
Billy loves winter. Snowmen are his specialty.
IS,
Go on then, dogpile with the rest of them. Nice character assassination, along with the little bitch cop-out “but I could be wrong”…
“I saw I.S. giving 5$ blowjobs behind the dumpster down at Man Country so he could afford crack, meth and his HIV antivirals… his asshole prolapsed from overuse and no lube, so he’s reduced to giving head and not letting the fags fuck him up the ass…
But I could be wrong…”
Billy wiped the jiz from his chin and uttered:
““I saw I.S. giving 5$ blowjobs behind the dumpster…”
That was not a blowjob!…….it was a rusty trombone but don’t act like you didn’t already know that you baby batter swilling hillbilly!
Goddamn you’re easy to rile up! You really should get in touch with your masculine side……if you have one.
IS,
BAHH-HAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Okay. That got me laughing. +1
But that don’t mean you’re not a dick… or a soulless opportunist eager to dogpile on anyone currently targeted by TBP…
How’s those antivirals treating you? I mean, I know the Depends are bad enough, but having to take meds because you let some diseased fag shoot jizz up your ass? Man, how can you look in a mirror?
Admin,
You guys either have a short attention span, or reading comprehension ain’t your strong suit.. I already TOLD you fags, I got little use for the vast bulk of humanity.
For the record, I actually DO like you. You’re pretty sharp. Which is why I keep coming back here. But you’re immune to reason sometimes. Hubris. I challenged your Steinbeck worshipping and you got a wild hair up your ass. HOW DARE SOME PUNY MORTAL CHALLENGE THE MIGHTY ADMIN?!? Therefore, NOTHING I say afterwards matters – Thou Hast Decided I Must Payeth For Badmouthing Steinbeck. Tried to reason with ya, meet ya halfway, but no… that shit just bounced off. Now we’ve moved into shit-flinging, dogpiling, character assassination… nothing new and I ain’t playing the victim card here, just saying that thou hast decreed I must payeth for daring to challenge you..
Don’t share someone’s opinion? Destroy them. Don’t care for a particular type of people? Destroy them. Don’t suck someone’s dick around here? Destroy them.
It’s what I like about TBP… most folks don’t take no shit offa anybody… plus, I get to use really creative insults I can’t use anywhere else..
This is nothing. I’ve treated you with kid gloves. This version of TBP is for pussies. The original with Smokey, RE, Llpoh Stuck, Davos, Colma, SSS, and a few others was a death match on a daily basis. I’m incapable of being offended by anything because I honestly don’t care what people think of me or my opinions. When something sets me off, I attack like a rabid dog. Reason and meeting half way aren’t part of the equation. It goes on until I get tired or bored. I’m bored with this thread. I’m done.
“Besides niggers, spics, kikes, and the slanty eyed asians, who else do you hate?” — Admin
You.
Kidding. You’re okay, even if you can be a petty, cranky, vindictive, stubborn old fuck. You’re the crotchety, bad-tempered uncle I never had.
In truth, I’ve never sat down and made a comprehensive list. Perhaps I should, just to clear things up…
Seeya Admin… go take your Geritol, blood pressure meds, your Viagra, etc..
Been good butting heads with ya…
T4C says:
“How did this thread go from being a HEAVENLY written little essay….to…….”
Well for starters it was posted on TBP. Second, it was posted on TBP. I hope that cleared things up for ya!
Billy – you ignorant twat. I had no part in this – tho I was rather enjoying watching an ignoramus like you get the shit kicked out of him.
You had to go drop my name and suggest someone was sucking my dick. You had to shoot your fucking mouth off, and I responded, gently like in fact.
Don’t you have something better to do? I mean, there must be some relative or other that you haven’t knocked up. Gotta keep the retard gene thriving. Plus you gotta keep all those farm animals happy. They ain’t gonna screw themselves, now are they?
Here is the Billy family portrait. That’s him on the right.
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Billy all growed up:
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Teenage Billy:
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Billy and his uncle:
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Billy protectin’ wat’s his’n:
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IS – my comment re winter is that I understand that spring/summer lasts about 2 days in your part of the world.
llpoh, everyone thinks I live in Alaska for some reason and I’m happy to allow everyone to think that but I live in the lower 48. We can get snow in July but not every year. Last week we had low in the upper 30’s though.
We get four distinct seasons here but they can all happen in the same day sometimes. I just drove by a tree down the street and it was shedding yellow and orange leaves for some reason. Fukushima maybe?
llpoh, that family portrait you posted is hilarious! Poor fucking people! That woman with the big head reminds me of this:
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