Thanks Victoria Nuland (actually her realy name is Vici Nudleman). And how much did that cost…$5 billion to crush an elected government and replace it with Nazis. Nice going Vici and now on to Russia and Putin. That’s gonna cost a touch more but go for it girl we’ll just print the dosh.
Stucky
August 3, 2014 1:41 pm
Isn’t is strange to you how almost over-night Malaysian MH017 stories have stopped? Especially considering that CuNNt — “we only run 3 stories a day, and if we really like it we’ll run it non-stop for 3 fucking weeks” — has abandoned ship?
Story on Rockwell today … and several other websites over the past few days. It sure seems there’s pretty solid proof the passenger plane was shot down by a fighter plane, not a missile.
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Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile”
By Peter Haisenko
The tragedy of Malaysian MH 017 continues to elude any light of clarity being cast over it.
The flight recorders are in England and are evaluated. What can come of it? Maybe more than you would assume.
Especially the voice recorder will be interesting when you look at the picture of a cockpit fragment. As an expert in aviation I closely looked at the images of the wreckage that are circulating on the Internet.
First, I was amazed at how few photos can be found from the wreckage with Google. All are in low resolution, except one: The fragment of the cockpit below the window on the pilots side. This image, however, is shocking. In Washington, you can now hear views expressed of a “potentially tragic error / accident” regarding MH 017. Given this particular cockpit image it does not surprise me at all.
Entry and exit impact holes of projectiles in the cockpit area
I recommend to click on the little picture to the left. You can download this photo as a PDF in good resolution.
This is necessary, because that will allow you understand what I am describing here. The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30 millimeter projectile. The edge of the other, the larger and slightly frayed exit holes showing shreds of metal pointing produced by the same caliber projectiles. Moreover, it is evident that at these exit holes of the outer layer of the double aluminum reinforced structure are shredded or bent – outwardly! Furthermore, minor cuts can be seen, all bent outward, which indicate that shrapnel had forcefully exited through the outer skin from the inside of the cockpit. The open rivets are are also bent outward.
In sifting through the available images one thing stands out: All wreckage of the sections behind the cockpit are largely intact, except for the fact that only fragments of the aircraft remained . Only the cockpit part shows these peculiar marks of destruction. This leaves the examiner with an important clue. This aircraft was not hit by a missile in the central portion. The destruction is limited to the cockpit area. Now you have to factor in that this part is constructed of specially reinforced material. This is on account of the nose of any aircraft having to withstand the impact of a large bird at high speeds. You can see in the photo, that in this area significantly stronger aluminum alloys were being installed than in the remainder of the outer skin of the fuselage. One remembers the crash of Pan Am over Lockerbie. It was a large segment of the cockpit that due to the special architecture survived the crash in one piece. In the case of flight MH 017 it becomes abundantly clear that there also an explosion took place inside the aircraft.
Tank destroying mix of ammunition
So what could have happened? Russia recently published radar recordings, that confirm at least one Ukrainian SU 25 in close proximity to MH 017. This corresponds with the statement of the now missing Spanish controller ‘Carlos’ that has seen two Ukrainian fighter aircraft in the immediate vicinity of MH 017. If we now consider the armament of a typical SU 25 we learn this: It is equipped with a double-barreled 30-mm gun, type GSh-302 / AO-17A, equipped with: a 250 round magazine of anti-tank incendiary shells and splinter-explosive shells (dum-dum), arranged in alternating order. The cockpit of the MH 017 has evidently been fired at from both sides: the entry and exit holes are found on the same fragment of its cockpit segment!
Now just consider what happens when a series of anti-tank incendiary shells and splinter-explosive shells hit the cockpit. These are after all designed to destroy a modern tank. The anti-tank incendiary shells partially traversed the cockpit and exited on the other side in a slightly deformed shape. (Aviation forensic experts could possibly find them on the ground presumably controlled by the Kiev Ukrainian military; the translator). After all, their impact is designed to penetrate the solid armor of a tank. Also, the splinter-explosive shells will, due to their numerous impacts too cause massive explosions inside the cockpit, since they are designed to do this. Given the rapid firing sequence of the GSh-302 cannon, it will cause a rapid succession of explosions within the cockpit area in a very short time. Remeber each of these is sufficient to destroy a tank.
What “mistake” was actually being committed – and by whom?
Because the interior of a commercial aircraft is a hermetically sealed pressurized chamber, the explosions will, in split second, increase the pressure inside the cabin to extreme levels or breaking point. An aircraft is not equipped for this, it will burst like a balloon. This explains a coherent scenario. The largely intact fragments of the rear sections broke in mid air at the weaker points of construction most likely under extreme internal air pressure. The images of the widely scattered field of debris and the brutally damaged segment of cockpit fit like hand in glove. Furthermore, a wing segment shows traces of a grazing shot, which in direct extension leads to the cockpit. Interestingly, I found that both the high-resolution photo of the fragment of bullet riddled cockpit as well as the segment of grazed wing have in the meantime disappeared from Google Images. One can find virtually no more pictures of the wreckage, except the well known smoking ruins.
If you listen to the voices from Washington now who speak of a “potentially tragic error / accident”, all that remains is the question of what might have been the nature of this “mistake” perpetrated here. I am not given to hover long in the realm of speculation, but would like to invite others to consider the following : The MH 017 looked similar in its tricolor design to that that of the Russian President’s plane. The plane with President Putin on board was at the same time ”near” Malaysia MH 017. In aviation circles “close” would be considered to be anywhere between 150 to 200 miles. Also, in this context we might consider the deposition of Ms. Tymoshenko, who wanted to shoot President Putin with a Kalashnikov.
But that this remains pure speculation. The shelling of the cockpit of air Malaysia MH 017, however, is definitely not speculation.
.
.
And these are the wonderful people who supposedly got rid of all the “rotten” ones? They aren’t even looking into who did this. What happened to these people is unforgivable.
And where are the Air Traffic Control conversation logs that the Ukraine Secret Service confiscated the day after MH17 went down? Where is a copy of the black box transcript of the last few minutes of conversation between Air Traffic Control and the MH17 pilots? And where is the U.S. spy satellite data that was flying overhead at the time MH17 went down?
As to claims that the bodies of the MH17 passengers were not treated with respect, or the claims that inspectors could not get access to the crash site, that’s BS.
A fully loaded SU-25 is limited to a ceiling of 16,000 feet. It also lacks the speed to pursue a jetliner, especially one cruising at 33,000 feet. The fighter is more of a tank killer like the A-10 Thunderbolt and not much good for shooting down other planes. That leaves a ground to air missile battery as the only real possibility. Either it was a tragic mistake or yet another intentional false flag operation. By not releasing control tower records Kiev draws attention to itself and appears like it might be hiding something.
backwardsevolution
August 3, 2014 4:24 pm
Stucky – yes, I think people are asking far too many questions and what CNN and others were telling us just didn’t fly. I think they thought they’d better bury it before even a complete idiot starts wondering what really went on.
The whole thing stinks. Probably false flag to come down on Putin hard OR to mask what is going on in Israel, or both.
backwardsevolution
August 3, 2014 4:36 pm
Marc – “That leaves a ground to air missile battery as the only real possibility.”
The Ukraine government has 50 SU-27 fighter jets which can fly that high, do not lack speed, and apparently can put anything into their chambers. A commenter on Mish’s blog had this to say about the SU-27:
“It’s whatever are loaded in the 30mm cannon ammunition feed belts. There are two cannon, so you could have a different flavor on each wing to be fired together or independently. You could even alternate fused explosive, fragmentation (think shotgun), and incendiary or tracer rounds in any proportion(s) desired.”
I think it’s high likely it was an SU-27 and that MH17 WAS brought down by an air-to-air missile, but the U.S. spy satellite data would show that. I just know they’ll provide this information (sarc)!
The Ukrainian military accidentally brought down another commercial plane in 2001 – Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 – killing all passengers on board. Who even heard about this incident?
IndenturedServant
August 3, 2014 6:55 pm
Stucky says:
“Isn’t is strange to you how almost over-night Malaysian MH017 stories have stopped?”
It’s so difficult trying to educate others about any topic including how the MSM is lying to and manipulating the sheople that I’m always thinking up ways to get people to see past the BS. Recently I came up with an idea that would be right up your alley Stucky.
Each day write down what the top headline is on a calendar or piece of paper. After a month or so read back over the top headlines and marvel at how the distraction is always evolving. Stories that were of dire importance suddenly and frequently disappear inexplicably with no resolution having been reached. For a younger person it might not seem so strange but for the older among us (35 and above) the differences from the journalism of our younger years would be amazing.
I thought about suggesting this to a few people I know but it would would take away from iCrap time so there would be no point. I can sort of keep track in my mind just by skimming headlines everyday and the disappearing of major news stories is startlingly apparent.
Erasmus Le Dolt
August 4, 2014 12:02 pm
Agree with Mark and Backwardsevolution. Just broused the performance data on the SU 25 and Servie ceiling clean is 23,000 feet and 16,000 with max weapons. Good catch you guys.
backwardsevolution
August 4, 2014 2:20 pm
Erasmus – but I don’t agree with Mark. Mark said it HAD to be a ground-to-air missile because an SU-25 couldn’t fly as high as the airliner. I pointed out that it could have been an “SU-27”, which can fly that high, is extremely fast, and can use machine-gun like bullets in its cannons.
Erasmus Le Dolt
August 5, 2014 1:12 am
Backward…I should have been clearer. I was totally focused on the ‘Service Ceiling’ issue. Sorry about that and agree that the candidate for bad guy is the SU-27 if indeed we are looking at bullet holes.
I hope we can now rely on the air crash investigators who one would expect from their history are all first class professionals. But boy, are they about to run into a wall of corrupt interference from corrupted leaders. Good luck to them….and their families
TJF
August 5, 2014 5:09 am
Perhaps they can send over the TWA Flight 700 investigators. They should be able to piece together the evidence to tell whatever story is desired.
TJF
August 5, 2014 5:11 am
Flight 800, not 700. That’s what I get posting from my phone.
Thanks Victoria Nuland (actually her realy name is Vici Nudleman). And how much did that cost…$5 billion to crush an elected government and replace it with Nazis. Nice going Vici and now on to Russia and Putin. That’s gonna cost a touch more but go for it girl we’ll just print the dosh.
Isn’t is strange to you how almost over-night Malaysian MH017 stories have stopped? Especially considering that CuNNt — “we only run 3 stories a day, and if we really like it we’ll run it non-stop for 3 fucking weeks” — has abandoned ship?
Story on Rockwell today … and several other websites over the past few days. It sure seems there’s pretty solid proof the passenger plane was shot down by a fighter plane, not a missile.
==============================================
Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile”
By Peter Haisenko
The tragedy of Malaysian MH 017 continues to elude any light of clarity being cast over it.
The flight recorders are in England and are evaluated. What can come of it? Maybe more than you would assume.
Especially the voice recorder will be interesting when you look at the picture of a cockpit fragment. As an expert in aviation I closely looked at the images of the wreckage that are circulating on the Internet.
First, I was amazed at how few photos can be found from the wreckage with Google. All are in low resolution, except one: The fragment of the cockpit below the window on the pilots side. This image, however, is shocking. In Washington, you can now hear views expressed of a “potentially tragic error / accident” regarding MH 017. Given this particular cockpit image it does not surprise me at all.
Entry and exit impact holes of projectiles in the cockpit area
I recommend to click on the little picture to the left. You can download this photo as a PDF in good resolution.
[Stucky note: the full image is here. —- http://www.anderweltonline.com/fileadmin/user_upload/PDF/Cockpit-MH017.pdf ]
This is necessary, because that will allow you understand what I am describing here. The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30 millimeter projectile. The edge of the other, the larger and slightly frayed exit holes showing shreds of metal pointing produced by the same caliber projectiles. Moreover, it is evident that at these exit holes of the outer layer of the double aluminum reinforced structure are shredded or bent – outwardly! Furthermore, minor cuts can be seen, all bent outward, which indicate that shrapnel had forcefully exited through the outer skin from the inside of the cockpit. The open rivets are are also bent outward.
In sifting through the available images one thing stands out: All wreckage of the sections behind the cockpit are largely intact, except for the fact that only fragments of the aircraft remained . Only the cockpit part shows these peculiar marks of destruction. This leaves the examiner with an important clue. This aircraft was not hit by a missile in the central portion. The destruction is limited to the cockpit area. Now you have to factor in that this part is constructed of specially reinforced material. This is on account of the nose of any aircraft having to withstand the impact of a large bird at high speeds. You can see in the photo, that in this area significantly stronger aluminum alloys were being installed than in the remainder of the outer skin of the fuselage. One remembers the crash of Pan Am over Lockerbie. It was a large segment of the cockpit that due to the special architecture survived the crash in one piece. In the case of flight MH 017 it becomes abundantly clear that there also an explosion took place inside the aircraft.
Tank destroying mix of ammunition
So what could have happened? Russia recently published radar recordings, that confirm at least one Ukrainian SU 25 in close proximity to MH 017. This corresponds with the statement of the now missing Spanish controller ‘Carlos’ that has seen two Ukrainian fighter aircraft in the immediate vicinity of MH 017. If we now consider the armament of a typical SU 25 we learn this: It is equipped with a double-barreled 30-mm gun, type GSh-302 / AO-17A, equipped with: a 250 round magazine of anti-tank incendiary shells and splinter-explosive shells (dum-dum), arranged in alternating order. The cockpit of the MH 017 has evidently been fired at from both sides: the entry and exit holes are found on the same fragment of its cockpit segment!
Now just consider what happens when a series of anti-tank incendiary shells and splinter-explosive shells hit the cockpit. These are after all designed to destroy a modern tank. The anti-tank incendiary shells partially traversed the cockpit and exited on the other side in a slightly deformed shape. (Aviation forensic experts could possibly find them on the ground presumably controlled by the Kiev Ukrainian military; the translator). After all, their impact is designed to penetrate the solid armor of a tank. Also, the splinter-explosive shells will, due to their numerous impacts too cause massive explosions inside the cockpit, since they are designed to do this. Given the rapid firing sequence of the GSh-302 cannon, it will cause a rapid succession of explosions within the cockpit area in a very short time. Remeber each of these is sufficient to destroy a tank.
What “mistake” was actually being committed – and by whom?
Because the interior of a commercial aircraft is a hermetically sealed pressurized chamber, the explosions will, in split second, increase the pressure inside the cabin to extreme levels or breaking point. An aircraft is not equipped for this, it will burst like a balloon. This explains a coherent scenario. The largely intact fragments of the rear sections broke in mid air at the weaker points of construction most likely under extreme internal air pressure. The images of the widely scattered field of debris and the brutally damaged segment of cockpit fit like hand in glove. Furthermore, a wing segment shows traces of a grazing shot, which in direct extension leads to the cockpit. Interestingly, I found that both the high-resolution photo of the fragment of bullet riddled cockpit as well as the segment of grazed wing have in the meantime disappeared from Google Images. One can find virtually no more pictures of the wreckage, except the well known smoking ruins.
If you listen to the voices from Washington now who speak of a “potentially tragic error / accident”, all that remains is the question of what might have been the nature of this “mistake” perpetrated here. I am not given to hover long in the realm of speculation, but would like to invite others to consider the following : The MH 017 looked similar in its tricolor design to that that of the Russian President’s plane. The plane with President Putin on board was at the same time ”near” Malaysia MH 017. In aviation circles “close” would be considered to be anywhere between 150 to 200 miles. Also, in this context we might consider the deposition of Ms. Tymoshenko, who wanted to shoot President Putin with a Kalashnikov.
But that this remains pure speculation. The shelling of the cockpit of air Malaysia MH 017, however, is definitely not speculation.
.
.
And these are the wonderful people who supposedly got rid of all the “rotten” ones? They aren’t even looking into who did this. What happened to these people is unforgivable.
And where are the Air Traffic Control conversation logs that the Ukraine Secret Service confiscated the day after MH17 went down? Where is a copy of the black box transcript of the last few minutes of conversation between Air Traffic Control and the MH17 pilots? And where is the U.S. spy satellite data that was flying overhead at the time MH17 went down?
As to claims that the bodies of the MH17 passengers were not treated with respect, or the claims that inspectors could not get access to the crash site, that’s BS.
Lies, lies and more lies.
A fully loaded SU-25 is limited to a ceiling of 16,000 feet. It also lacks the speed to pursue a jetliner, especially one cruising at 33,000 feet. The fighter is more of a tank killer like the A-10 Thunderbolt and not much good for shooting down other planes. That leaves a ground to air missile battery as the only real possibility. Either it was a tragic mistake or yet another intentional false flag operation. By not releasing control tower records Kiev draws attention to itself and appears like it might be hiding something.
Stucky – yes, I think people are asking far too many questions and what CNN and others were telling us just didn’t fly. I think they thought they’d better bury it before even a complete idiot starts wondering what really went on.
The whole thing stinks. Probably false flag to come down on Putin hard OR to mask what is going on in Israel, or both.
Marc – “That leaves a ground to air missile battery as the only real possibility.”
The Ukraine government has 50 SU-27 fighter jets which can fly that high, do not lack speed, and apparently can put anything into their chambers. A commenter on Mish’s blog had this to say about the SU-27:
“It’s whatever are loaded in the 30mm cannon ammunition feed belts. There are two cannon, so you could have a different flavor on each wing to be fired together or independently. You could even alternate fused explosive, fragmentation (think shotgun), and incendiary or tracer rounds in any proportion(s) desired.”
I think it’s high likely it was an SU-27 and that MH17 WAS brought down by an air-to-air missile, but the U.S. spy satellite data would show that. I just know they’ll provide this information (sarc)!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-27
The Ukrainian military accidentally brought down another commercial plane in 2001 – Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 – killing all passengers on board. Who even heard about this incident?
Stucky says:
“Isn’t is strange to you how almost over-night Malaysian MH017 stories have stopped?”
It’s so difficult trying to educate others about any topic including how the MSM is lying to and manipulating the sheople that I’m always thinking up ways to get people to see past the BS. Recently I came up with an idea that would be right up your alley Stucky.
Each day write down what the top headline is on a calendar or piece of paper. After a month or so read back over the top headlines and marvel at how the distraction is always evolving. Stories that were of dire importance suddenly and frequently disappear inexplicably with no resolution having been reached. For a younger person it might not seem so strange but for the older among us (35 and above) the differences from the journalism of our younger years would be amazing.
I thought about suggesting this to a few people I know but it would would take away from iCrap time so there would be no point. I can sort of keep track in my mind just by skimming headlines everyday and the disappearing of major news stories is startlingly apparent.
Agree with Mark and Backwardsevolution. Just broused the performance data on the SU 25 and Servie ceiling clean is 23,000 feet and 16,000 with max weapons. Good catch you guys.
Erasmus – but I don’t agree with Mark. Mark said it HAD to be a ground-to-air missile because an SU-25 couldn’t fly as high as the airliner. I pointed out that it could have been an “SU-27”, which can fly that high, is extremely fast, and can use machine-gun like bullets in its cannons.
Backward…I should have been clearer. I was totally focused on the ‘Service Ceiling’ issue. Sorry about that and agree that the candidate for bad guy is the SU-27 if indeed we are looking at bullet holes.
I hope we can now rely on the air crash investigators who one would expect from their history are all first class professionals. But boy, are they about to run into a wall of corrupt interference from corrupted leaders. Good luck to them….and their families
Perhaps they can send over the TWA Flight 700 investigators. They should be able to piece together the evidence to tell whatever story is desired.
Flight 800, not 700. That’s what I get posting from my phone.