Saint Paul, Minnesota is 67% white and 12% Asian. They have a black population of 13%. It is no Ferguson, Missouri.
Why is the U.S. military conducting unannounced “training” exercises in the middle of major cities across the U.S.?
Are they desensitizing the public to the military operating within our borders? The U.S. military is prohibited from operating within our borders.
Are they sending a message to the people to fear them?
Are they preparing for something that is about to happen?
Don’t you worry. Just focus on your iGadgets and don’t look up in the sky. The new NFL season is upon us. Concentrate on your fantasy league draft. A new season of the Kardashians is just around the corner. The government will protect you and keep you safe from terrorists.
With no warning, low-flying copters buzz St. Paul, Minneapolis
With no warning for residents, military helicopters flew low Monday evening over St. Paul and Minneapolis in a federal training exercise, about which officials released almost no information.
The exercise — reportedly involving U.S. Navy Seals with Army pilots, engaging in rappelling exercises in an urban setting — began just before 8 p.m. and was scheduled to last until midnight.
The St. Paul police watch commander initially had no information on the exercise. He was later informed that it was a training exercise involving Homeland Security and local law enforcement.
St. Paul police officials said the City of Minneapolis was handling all media calls, because that’s where the exercises originated. A written statement released within 15 minutes of the exercise said little, stating only that “there will be some night training going on, which includes military helicopters.”
Minneapolis police spokesman John Elder, whose number was on the release, refused to answer additional questions about the exercise, repeating, over and over, “It’s a training exercise.”
“It’s a training exercise. I’ve been practicing that line all week,” he said, when asked if local police were involved in the exercise.
Many downtown residents said they were shocked and afraid at the sudden sight of military helicopters flying so near to their buildings.
Lynda Hanner, who lives on the 27th floor of City Walk Condominiums at 66 E. Ninth St., was surpised to see a helicopter flying just outside her window.
“At first I thought he was in distress — in the process of crashing,” Hanner said. “It was very frightening. They were playing dangerous games in my back yard, and I didn’t appreciate it.”
“Downtown St. Paul is not a training ground, there are about 7,000 of us who live here,” added neighbor Karl Karlson.
St. Paul council member Dave Thune said he was furious about not being told of the exercise beforehand. He said he received close to 100 voice messages, texts and tweets from downtown residents also voicing concern.
“Apparently (local law enforcement) worked something out last March. Apparently they were supposed to go through the city of Minneapolis PIO to let people know, but that didn’t work out so well,” Thune said. “One day’s notice is hardly any kind of excuse for doing this kind of thing anyway.
“It’s incredibly unsafe,” Thune added. “When you’ve got Blackhawk helicopters flying between buildings full of people in the middle of the night, it’s just not safe. … It’s absolutely wrong for us as a civilian police department to be engaging in military exercises. It shouldn’t happen here.”
Some Minneapolis residents said they saw people rappelling from helicopters onto the Federal Reserve Bank.
Thune said he was informed the exercise involved Navy Seals, along with Army pilots, from units in the southern states.
A St. Paul official who asked not to be identified said there was an understanding that local law enforcement would receive military hardware in exchange for the city’s cooperation in the exercise. But police spokesman Howie Padilla said Tuesday that St. Paul police was getting no military hardware because of the training.
The exercise comes the same week as police actions in Ferguson, Mo., led some national politicians and pundits to questions how much military hardware was ending up in the hands of local police departments.
In the written statement, Minneapolis officials said the exercises would take place “this week,” though Elder declined to say for how long.
The statement to media read: “Please call with locations or addresses you have questions about. These are Department of Defense exercises that should not be shared with the general public and security is of the utmost concern.”
Is it reading too much into the fact that units involved in the exercise weren’t local (tied to the community); e.g. “from Southern states”?
I picked up on that too, Axel…
Local boys might have problems flying around their friends and neighbors, carrying a cargo of trigger pullers like the SEAL’s…
If they used local boys, there would also have been a greater chance of someone running their mouth – mention it to a wife or girlfriend to stay out of downtown “on this particular night” because of such-and-such… I bet that would go viral within 11 minutes…
I also took notice of the building they happened to rappel onto – the Federal Reserve Bank. In a time of financial crisis, what’s the one thing that brings folks together? The bank run…
And then there’s the whole “understanding” that the local cops will get Free Shit – likely armored vehicles, automatic weapons, etc – for playing along with this farce… denied, predictably, by some front-man talking head. “Understandings” are not written down. Not written down, then there’s no proof. It’s all conjecture and easily denied…
Had an acquaintance shot at a military helicopter who kept buzzing his farm….got in a little trouble too. I think he got probation. I just wish one of these copters would rash and then…well…”Lucy,you got some splaining to do ” .
The sad thing is, if a crash happened, it would be sold as making us safe from terrorists or terrorism .
They’re preparing for bank runs, economic crash/dollar collapse, & also protecting the Fed buildings.
People will be a little bit mad @ the Fed.
Had a girlfriend from the St. Paul area once… loads of Scandi blood up that way.
She was VERY Scandi and VERY “healthy”…. blonde, blue eyed and smokin’ hot. That girl was like a playground…
But, as with every smokin’ hot girl, someone somewhere is sick of her shit… as nice as the fringe benefits were, I fired her ass after 6 months…
The Saint Pauli girl that Billy fired.
You really can’t trust people from Minnesota. They elected Al Franken. They are capable of doing all kinds of stupid shit.
“I fired her ass after 6 months…” ——— Billy
Bullshit. What Billy really meant ……”I fingered her ass after 6 months”
“You really can’t trust people from Minnesota. They elected Al Franken. They are capable of doing all kinds of stupid shit.”
+100
They seem like such nice and plain and sensible people, and then they elect Al “diaper” Franken, Jesse “The ?” Ventura, Michelle Bachman, etc…. they are unable to elect measured, middle of the road types, they go only for the extremes. Both extremes.
Maybe the cold weather freezes their brains. Let’s ask Iska.
And then there’s this, arms for your county:
http://www.freep.com/article/20140817/NEWS06/140726001/?appSession=882117151879513&cbSearchAgain=true&AppKey=36701000b255adcfe6ca4b13a8a4
@ Admin,
Pretty close. I freely admit she was completely, 100% smokin hot. But then, looks only last for so long, and females can only trade on their looks for so long…
I ended up with a blue eyed blonde anyways… one with a mind that actually WORKS. One from an area pretty close to where my own family hails from… so, no great loss.
@ Stucky,
Fuck you, Oshi…
You’re just jealous that I won at genetic roulette and could score smokin’ hot chicks like that AT WILL. Yes, chick was a freak and yes, I was like a kid in a candy store – literally anything I wanted, when I wanted, on demand.
But believe it or not, that gets old after awhile and then you start actually hearing her shit… Eventually, you’re like “I don’t NEED this shit! I can get bitched at back home, and even if your cooch was made of solid fucking GOLD, it’s not worth it. You’re fired.”
The rarest combination is a smokin’ hot chick with a sharp mind. I’ve had batshit crazy ones, ones that are dumb as a box of rocks… but only two with sharp minds.
The first, I freely admit I fucked up and ruined it. My loss and my regret.
The second, I wasn’t so stupid… snagged her for myself and the rest is history…
“Five percent of the people think; ten percent of the people think they think; and the other eighty-five percent would rather die than think.”
Thomas Edison
The cold keeps the riffraff out. No naegleria fowleri or poisonous snakes, either, except for the far SE corner. They were doing this exact same helicopter shit a year or two ago. I think it was in 2012. I figured it was part of Obama’s election strategy. I was right across the Mississippi watching them rappel onto the Mpls Federal Reserve building. Then they loaded onto about 8 helicopters (on the roof)) and flew right into the heart of downtown buzzing about 20 feet away from several buildings about 50 stories in the air. Seemed pretty pointless and dangerous. Couldn’t they go strafe some bluffs somewhere instead of a city? My buddy in Miami said they were doing the same helicopter crap down there, too. Franken “won” in 2008 in a 50/50 race at the same time that Obama won MN by 11 pts. So Franken underperformed, but Coleman fucked up by letting some outside consultants run some ads showing Franken out of context. It was easy to debunk the heavy-handed treatment by the Coleman side. This year Franken will coast to reelection because his GOP opponent is somehow both a successful investment banker and a moran. I think he was picked because he could self-fund and wouldn’t drain money from more winnable races in other states.
So basically, they terrorized the people of St. Paul.
Under What Conditions Can The US Army Engage American Citizens: The Army’s “Civil Disturbances” Primer
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/19/2014 15:24 -0400
With events in Ferguson deteriorating from day to day, despite the arrival of the Missouri National Guard, some have asked what further escalation steps are possible.
As a reminder, the reason Missouri governor Jay Nixon resorted to the aid of the National Guard is due to the limitations imposed by the Posse Comitatus Act which, broadly, seeks to limit the powers of Federal government in using federal military personnel, i.e., the Armed Forces of the United States, to enforce state laws. The Act does not apply to the National Guard, nor to the US Coast Guard, although the former will likely not see much practical use in Missouri.
However, as usually happens, there are loopholes and the best place to uncover these is in a 132-page primer conveniently released by none other than the US Army back on April 21, known simply as ATP 3-39.33 “Civil Disturbances.” The primer begins with the umbrella statement:
Civil unrest may range from simple, nonviolent protests that address specific issues, to events that turn into full-scale riots. Gathering in protest may be a recognized right of any person or group, regardless of where U.S. forces may be operating. In the United States, this fundamental right is protected under the Constitution of the United States…
“Protected” it may be, but as usual, the interpretation of the Constitution is in the eye of the beholder, or more appropriately, gun holder. Because shortly thereafter we further read the following:
The Constitution of the United States, laws, regulations, policies, and other legal issues limit the use of federal military personnel in domestic support operations. Any Army involvement in civil disturbance operations involves many legal issues requiring comprehensive legal reviews. However, federal forces are authorized for use in civil disturbance operations under certain circumstances.
What circumstances? For the answer we turn to section, 2-8, whose provisions may soon become applicable to Ferguson and/or other municipal regions, should the rioting in the St. Louis suburb escalate further. To wit:
The Constitution of the United States provides two exceptions for which the Posse Comitatus Act does not apply. These exceptions are based upon the inherent right of the U.S. government to ensure the preservation of public order and to carrying out governmental operations within its territorial limits by force, if necessary. These two exceptions are—
Emergency authority. A sudden and unexpected civil disturbance, disaster, or calamity may seriously endanger life and property and disrupt normal governmental functions to such an extent that local authorities cannot control the situation. At such times, the federal government may use military force to prevent the loss of life or wanton destruction of property and to restore government functions and public order. In these circumstances, federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances (see DODD 3025.18).
Protection of federal property and functions. When the need for the protection of federal property or federal functions exists, and duly constituted local authorities are unable to, or decline to provide adequate protection, federal action, including the use of military forces, is authorized.
2-9. Laws passed by the U.S. congress include four exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act. With the first three laws discussed below (10 USC 331–333) there is a prerequisite that the President must take personal action, including the issuance of a proclamation calling upon insurgents to disperse and retire peaceably within a limited time. The four exceptions, based on law are—
10 USC 331. When a state is unable to control domestic violence and they have requested federal assistance, the use of the militia or Armed Forces is authorized.
10 USC 332. When ordinary enforcement means are unworkable due to unlawful obstructions or rebellion against the authority of the United States, use of the militia or Armed Forces is authorized.
10 USC 333. When a state cannot or will not protect the constitutional rights of the citizens, due to domestic violence or conspiracy to hinder execution of State or Federal law, the use of the militia or Armed Forces is authorized.
House Joint Resolution 1292. This resolution directs all departments of the U.S. government, upon request of the Secret Service, to assist in carrying out its statutory duties to protect government officials and major political candidates from physical harm.
In other words, if and when the US Armed Forces decide that rioting infringes upon any of these exclusions, then the constitution no longer applies and the use of lethal force becomes a viable option against US citizens.
It gets worse, because whereas one would expect that a “Constitutional expert” such as the president, Barack Obama would be the one tasked with interpreting if and when the Constitution no longer applies, the primer is quite explicit in handing over responsibility to “federal military commanders”:
… federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances
So should Obama resume his vacation even as things in Missouri escalate dramatically, and be “unreachable”, it may well come to pass that Obama’s opinion will be irrelevant not only whether the National Guard should be unleashed in Ferguson, but whether Posse Comitatus is suddenly null and void.
The good news: the use of lethal force is not the only option the US Army would have if and when it engages with the population. US citizens may simply be herded into “temporary internment camps” for reindoctrination purposes under the supervision of PSYOP Officer (no really, they used that word), as follows from the Army’s “Internment and Resettlment Operations” Manual:
The PSYOP officer in charge of supporting I/R operations serves as the special staff officer responsible for PSYOP. The PSYOP officer advises the military police commander on the psychological impact of military police or MI actions to prevent misunderstandings and disturbances by detainees and DCs. The supporting I/R PSYOP team has two missions that reduce the need to divert military police assets to maintain security in the I/R facility. The team—
Assists the military police force in controlling detainees and DCs.
Introduces detainees or DCs to U.S. and multinational policy.
Develops PSYOP products that are designed to pacify and acclimate detainees or DCs to accept U.S. I/R facility authority and regulations.
Gains the cooperation of detainees or DCs to reduce the number of guards needed.
Identifies malcontents, trained agitators, and political leaders within the facility who may try to organize resistance or create disturbances.
Develops and executes indoctrination programs to reduce or remove antagonistic attitudes.
Identifies political activists.
Provides loudspeaker support (such as administrative announcements and facility instructions when necessary).
Helps the military police commander control detainee and DC populations during emergencies.
Plans and executes a PSYOP
In other words, if and when the time comes to “override” Posse Comitatus, random US citizens may have two options: i) end up in the US version of a Gulag or, worse, ii) be shot.
Billy, if you fired that girl, you did wrong!!
cliff…
Dude, seriously… I didn’t do wrong. The only way I could have done wrong by firing her is if she was a mute and owned a liquor store..
Smokin’ hot, but I just could not take her shit ONE MORE SECOND. I was like “Jesus CHRIST! No wonder you’re still single!” It was fire her, or stab a No. 2 pencil in both ears…
It ain’t all about the looks bro… took me a long time to figure that one out. Had me one that was just as smokin’ hot, but 6’2″ in her stocking feet… called her “Ice Queen”. Completely smoking hot, but empty inside. Just an acid-soaked sack of gravel where her heart should be…. no heart, no soul, no nothing… just an evil, heartless bitch. Seriously. (cue Imperial March)…
Another, a red head, was seriously batshit crazy. Fiery red hair, blue eyes and that translucent skin they sometimes have… I ran after 2 weeks. It was either run, or wake up with my throat cut.
Still another was gorgeous, but dumb as a hammer. I swear her IQ had to be in the 80’s… but to make up for it she had no gag reflex… so there’s that. Still, I wanted a life partner, not a fuck toy.
The one I fucked up and lost? Built like a dancer. About 5’7″. Grey eyes, auburn hair. Smile like a fucking pirate. Great sense of humor. Smart as a whip, too. Chick drove a pickup truck and had a German Shepard named Lucy… loved guns, too… we met during an Aikido class, if you can believe that… heh.
THAT one, I done wrong… and trust me, I’ve punished myself enough over the years over that. I did my penance.
E-mail I just got from the City of Minneapolis:
“August 19th, 2014 (MINNEAPOLIS) The Minneapolis Police Department would like to remind residents that nighttime military training exercises will continue, sporadically, through Thursday evening. The Department of Defense is coordinating and conducting the training for military members while the MPD solely maintains a supportive, logistical role.
We apologize for any alarm or inconvenience the training may cause. Due to safety and security concerns, the exact location of the exercises cannot be released. The MPD is currently working with the DOD to determine what information may be broadcast in the areas where residents are most affected. General locations may be broadcast on our twitter account, @MPD_PIO, whenever it is possible and appropriate.”
I’m here, too (Mpls/St. Paul).
It’s quite annoying, the copters flying overhead at night.
And probably dangerous.
Minnesotans are no dumber than any other Americans, which is not saying a lot, is it?
However, we’ve been lucky to have a good infrastructure, fairly homogenous, well-educated population, and balanced economy. I think that leads people to be complacent, and elect mediocrities.
There are plenty of “awake” people here… about the same % as most other areas.
Posse Comitatus R.I.P. The bastards are planning something big.
Feinstein has openly called the military home grown terrorists.Through Obamacare gov has the right to do home inspections day or night-My guess is to confiscate any weapons legal or not.My point is between the Veteran fiasco and open hostility toward them from the Dems Obama Holder-I do not think they will be the loyal spaniels ordered to “sig” mom and pop public that loves and supports them and honors them .B O /Dems obviously wants the UN to over ride the US.I do not think America will tolerate that,nor UN boots in America
All those comments…Yeah, right.
& then Billy woke up.
Billy, do you smell something? I’m not 100% sure, but the overwhelming stench reminds me of a steaming plate of bullshit someone tried to feed me once. You have always had a horrible case of verbal diarrea, so it’s hard to imagine any of the multitude of attractive girlfriends you describe here (were they to exist) getting a word in edgewise, much less talking too much about dumb stuff until you got fed up and broke it off. Lay off the spray paint you backwoods retard.
Hey LLPOH don’t make me post my Smokin Hot girlfriends pic. She’s not Avalon but close.
God Damiit LLPOH I know you did not just call my brother a backwoods retard. Surely that’s a typo and easily corrected.
Just a thought, but why the hell bother with the pleb masses anyway?
So long as the top 1% are safe why would they care about anyone else?
So…it begs the question – what protection is in place or planned for the elite ?
Why not use the militia for protection of the 1% rather than quelling riots?
If the masses kill each other off it’s a self-resolving issue.
Billy said:
“You’re just jealous that I won at genetic roulette and could score smokin’ hot chicks like that AT WILL. Yes, chick was a freak and yes, I was like a kid in a candy store – literally anything I wanted, when I wanted, on demand.”
Backwoods retard doesn’t even begin to cover it.