I thought this is a nice little article that appeared on opednews.com. The article states a profound truth; — “When faith meets evidence, evidence doesn’t stand a chance.”
— A rational person can present thousands of pieces of evidence showing that Noah’s Great Flood was an impossible event. But, a person-of-faith will discard every bit of it … cuz “it’s in the Bible”.
— SSS (although he won the debate) cannot be convinced that using a limited amount of fresh water to water desert golf courses is wasteful and illogical.
— No amount of evidence can convince a DemoFuk that Oreo is shredding American freedoms. (RepubFuks have their own blind, deaf, and dumb followers.)
And so it goes …. it appears the average American truly does cherish ignorance.
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Willful Ignorance: An American Ideal?
The power of willful ignorance is infinite. It must be because the country is collapsing right under our noses. And we will re-elect 90 percent of those who are allowing it to collapse as a result of gerrymandering, efforts to make voting more difficult and the Supreme Court’s decisions to open the flood gates of money into the campaigning process.
All they need to do to keep it this way is to appeal to our faith in what we already believe. Don’t think so? Have a five minute conversation with anyone who watches either Fox News or MSNBC exclusively and hear the degree of certitude that comes from having their beliefs continually affirmed. Try using evidence to change their minds.
Economist Paul Krugman’s, comment explains what will happen, “When faith meets evidence, evidence doesn’t stand a chance.”
This can be applied to politics, religion, science, and economics. We have such faith in our beliefs, that no amount of evidence or even a preponderance of facts (sorry David Hume) can change our minds. And that takes willful ignorance because there are seemingly infinite sources of information available to us today. So the choice to stay ignorant is exactly that, willful!
But wait, here’s “the rest of the story:” Willful ignorance is a deeply revered American cultural ideal.
As Richard Hofstadter observed in his Pulitzer Prize-winning 1963 book, Anti-Intellectualism in American Life: “Intellect in America is resented as a kind of excellence, as a claim to distinction, as a challenge to egalitarianism, as a quality which almost certainly deprives a man or woman of the common touch.”
Another way of saying this is, “who needs evidence when we have faith. Evidence is for intellectuals. And we don’t like intellectuals. Faith is good enough for us. We vote for egalitarianism of the common man. Evidence can only lead to the facts and if the facts don’t support my faith, to hell with evidence.”
Admit it! Don’t we think of the intellectual as incapable of ordinary common sense decisions? Too dumb to come in out of the rain? The absent-minded professor who can’t find his way to his own office in the Ivory Tower?
My first awareness of this cultural value was when Adlai Stevenson II, 31st governor of Illinois, ran for the presidency in 1952. I was 12 years old and remember people saying he was too smart to be elected. We didn’t want an intellectual in the White House.
Some segment of the voting public believe we set a new low water mark with Bush the lesser. Don’t be fooled. He was nowhere near as intellectually inept as his public image suggested. And when embroiled in some issue that’s called on President Obama to take a public stand, why does he offer to have a beer with the common man? To appear intellectual? I don’t think so.
Ignorance is a highly regarded American value and is celebrated by the ideal of the “common man.” To remain willfully ignorant is a decision that we make, not something that happens to us, not a function of our nature, not a horrible demon that visits us.
We can be born stupid or dumb and we can’t help that. We can become crazy not by our choosing. But to remain ignorant takes a decision. That makes it willful. That makes it changeable. That makes us responsible.
Please don’t misunderstand my point. I’m not saying that because we become informed we will be able to influence the outcomes in the elections. That ship has sailed long ago and these decisions are now in the hands of the American oligarchs. But at least you can be informed about what’s really going on in this great country of ours.
On second thought, ignorance might really be bliss.
Knowledge (facts) will still enable us to avoid (if we choose to act in advance) many of the consequences or SHTF Day. BC-LR to all
Stuck- A rational person can present thousands of pieces of evidence showing that Noah’s Great Flood was an impossible event. But, a person-of-faith will discard every bit of it … cuz “it’s in the Bible”.
Where are these thousands of pieces of evidence proving that a flood of global proportion impossible?
Does one discount every myth , both verbal and recorded , by numerous ancient cultures concerning a global flood, just because the the story of Noah seems a bit stretched?
http://www.varchive.org/itb/index.htm
PART II: SATURN AND THE FLOOD
http://www.varchive.org/itb/deluge.htm
Deluge
The scriptural deluge is regarded by historians and critical exegetes as a legendary product. “The legend of a universal deluge is in itself a myth and cannot be anything else.” (1) It is “most nakedly and unreservedly mythological.”
The tradition of a universal deluge is told by all ancient civilizations, and also by races that never reached the ability to express themselves in the written symbols of a language. It is found all over the world, on all continents, on the islands of the Pacific and Atlantic, everywhere. Usually it is explained as a local experience carried from race to race by word of mouth. The work of collating such material has repeatedly been done, and it would only fatigue the reader were I to repeat these stories as told in all parts of the world, even in places never visited by missionaries.(2)
The rest of the collected traditions are also not identical in detail, and are sometimes very different in their setting from the Noah story, but all agree that the earth was covered to the mountain tops by the water of the deluge coming from above, and that only a few human beings escaped death in the flood. The stories are often accompanied by details about a simultaneous cleavage of the earth.(3)
In pre-Columbian America the story of a universal flood was very persistent; the first world-age was called Atonatiuh, or the age that was brought to its end by a universal deluge. This is written and illustrated in the ancient codices of the Mexicans and was narrated to the Spaniards who came to the New Continent.(4) The natives of Australia, Polynesia, and Tasmania, discovered in the seventeenth century, related almost identical traditions.(5)
Clay tablets with inscriptions concerning the early ages and the deluge were found in Mesopotamia. Their similarity to the biblical account, and to the story of the Chaldean priest Berosus(6) who lived in the Hellenistic age, caused a great sensation at the end of the last century and the beginning of the current one. On this sensational discovery was based the sensational pamphlet Babel und Bibel by Friedrich Delitsch (1902) who tried to show in it that the Hebrews had simply borrowed this story, along with many others, from the Babylonian store of legends.
But if here and there the story of the flood could be said to have been borrowed by the scriptural writer from the Babylonians, and by some natives from the missionaries, in other cases no such explanation could be offered. The indigenous character of the stories in many regions of the world makes the borrowing theory seem very fragile.
Geologists see vestiges of diluvial rains all over the world; folklorists hear the story of a universal flood wherever folklore is collected; historians read of a universal flood in American manuscripts, in Babylonian clay tablets and in the annals of practically all cultured peoples. But the climatologists make it very clear that even should the entire water content of the atmosphere pour down as rain, the resulting flood could not have covered even the lowland slopes, far less the peaks of the mountains, as all accounts insist that this deluge did.
References
A. Loisy, Les mythes babyloniens et les premiers chapitres de la genese (Paris, 1901).
R. Andree, Die Flutsagen (1891); Sir J.G. Frazer, Folk-lore in the Old Testament (London, 1918); M. Winternitz, Die Flutsagen des Alterthums und des Natuervoelker
E.g., the Malaya story in Andree, Die Flutsagen, p. 29. s
[Cf. the Vatican Codex, first published by Humboldt, and the accounts of Ixtlilxochitl and Veytia among others.]
[Cf. A. C. Caillot, Mythes, legendes, et traditions des Polynesiens (Paris, 1914); H. H. Howorth, The Mammoth and the Flood (London, 1887), pp. 455ff.]
Berosus’ story of the Deluge is quoted in Eusebius’ Praeparatio Evangelica Bk. IX, ch. 12, and in Cyril’s Contra Julianum, Bk. I.
Cannot an intellectual have faith , or is unwavering belief in one’s our power of perception reason enough to discount what one neither possess the spirit or intellect to understand?
And FWIW, Robert de Dingleberry has it ass-backward,. The majority of people are not motivated to cast a vote to satisfy the tenants of faith, but instead cast their vote in favor of some future promise to provide whatever bread and circus it is floats their boat.
The supreme function of reason is to show man that some things are beyond reason. – Blaise Pascal
Understanding is the reward of faith. Therefore seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand.
– St. Augustine
For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries. – Robert Jastrow
“Faith, in the sense in which I am here using the word, is the art of holding on to things your reason has once accepted, in spite of your changing moods.”
― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
Way back during my first marriage in the technological dark ages known as the ’80s, I first became aware of this phenomenom.
I have been “well read” since I was very young. By the age of 9, I had already read Gone With the Wind, Roots, The Great Gatsby and even attempted Moby Dick.
By 16, even after dropping out of high school, being married and having a child, my vocabulary was easily two or three times larger than 99% of the people I regularly associated with.
I was constantly reminded to not, “use those two-bit” words and I had to stop “making myself look smarter” than others.
How strange that always was to me. Why people would not – like me – ask someone the definition of a word they didn’t know, or just silently figure it out via context?
What weirdness was this?
By the time I decided to drop college, I figured it out. We ‘murkins don’t like people that make us “feel” stupid, because then we might have to admit we could put in some work and become smarter.
For an industrious, inventive, nation, the bulk of us are the exact opposite and will do anything in their power to make sure you are not different in any way.
Insanity. But, yes, ideal. Ideal for the rulers and oligarchs. Ideal for the unions and sacred cows.
Sucks for anyone with half a brain, but hey, we had a good damn run of it. No?
Stucky , flash kick your ass again. You need to start wearing a tee shirt with …Please kick my ass…on the front.
Reading your bio above, TE, I was reminded of the script Woody Guthrie seemed to follow all his life. It brings me back to a comment on Stucky’s latest Pictorial: we do follow a life-script learned early on. You seem to follow a script where you break off the path your on to take another path, you did this first when you quit Moby Dick. You did this a couple more times when you quit those other dicks.
The bible confirms this idea: Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
@TE,
Same here. So I just quit talking to other people and became an introvert.
When the media consolidated during the Clinton years is when the perceptions of the American people started to crumble. Do you realize only 5 big companies (with interconnecting boards of directors) own or control about 95% of “mainstream media”?
This is one of the main reasons why Americans are uninformed. Because the “press” doesn’t do its job. Even on the local teevee news, everynight I see “fluff” pieces instead of actual news. If I was relying on that 1/2 hour “show” for my news input, I wouldn’t know shit! (and I think I do).
And to make matters worse, we have all these propaganda outlets like Fox “news”, a network owned by an Aussie with an agenda (lining his pockets), AND we have Radio dipshits like Rush, Hannity, and Savage dishing out dis-information daily (the 3 “D’s).
How things get better from here I can’t say, can you?
The fifties were also a time when regular folks feared the eggheads, the stories of mad scientists were a teen favorite.
Never mind the things the ancients believed, the things people believe today are just as amazing. That Mars was once our home, that an asteroid will hit the Earth, that the Earth will become unbearably hot before being destroyed by fire. Are these things in the bible? Then why do people believe such things?
Who invented the 5 second rule? Throwing salt over your shoulder?
A couple of quibbles:
The Aztecs may have called themselves meshica but there was no Mexico at the time, even after the conquest it was known as New Spain. They practiced cannibalism and homosexuality, hardly folks we should listen to about earth science.
The Earth is a smooth sphere with dimples whose depth to height is ~12 miles, the article says there is no amount of moisture in the atmosphere to flood the earth to the tops of mountains. The writer assumes the ocean has always been so deep as today or the mountains so high as today. It’s possible the variation in topography was no more than 6 miles peak to trough, maybe less even.
If you read Moses’ account, he said a sort of steam came out of the soil, rain was not a weather phenomenon back then. If you judge the past on the basis of your own experience, you are just as guilty of being blinded by your faith.
I just quit talking to other people and became an introvert.
Baloney, your born intro, unless people are not really born gay? Wait, could it be I became introverted after some horrible experience in-utero?
bb..and little bb. I not attempting to one-up Stuck ,I’m merely pointing out that there is substantial ancient traditional evidence pointing to the occurrence of a world-wide flood .We can call those traditional tales passed down generation after ancient generation myth , stories or whatever , but much a lames steam modern American myth media has a basis in fact , so did those ancient stories.A large segment of modern science is bullshit borne of the government cash grant and cannot be expected to search for truth when the PC dollar demands otherwise…bet on it.
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Dunno Chen,
It seems like when I was younger it was important to me to socialize and have a lot of friends. Maybe that is just something all people go through in their teens and twenties? Now I avoid people like the plague. My boyfriend is the same way – was a social butterfly when he was younger, and is now reclusive like me. And I am honestly happy that way – I have my nose stuck in a book a lot of the time.
While the bible has pointed the way as an introduction towards a recognition of a global flood, it has been the evidence presented by others, including science itself and what I have seen with my own eyes that has solidified my view.
https://answersingenesis.org/geology/plate-tectonics/can-catastrophic-plate-tectonics-explain-flood-geology/
It could be noted as Catastrophism, the theory that the Earth has been affected in the past by sudden, short-lived, violent events, possibly worldwide in scope…
And just for the record, the prevalent ideas, theories, and beliefs of science, the masses and leadership classes have been proven wrong in the past. All one has to do is look at global warming to reach that conclusion.
Giordano Bruno, a poster child of someone who went against the accepted version of history, knowledge and the PTB, burned at the stake, because his views differed from the accepted.
“It should not be supposed”, writes A. M. Paterson of Bruno and his “heliocentric solar system,” that he “reached his conclusions via some mystical revelation….His work is an essential part of the scientific and philosophical developments that he initiated.
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But I digress, a person will believe what he has been led to believe or what he or she will accept, other than that spot on with the article, you bring up a valid point, the majority will seek the shelter of ignorance, knowledge requires sacrifice, flexibility and the ability or desire to see beyond the edges of what is known and accepted.
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The rebel is able to defend himself against delusion all the way into the core of his own mind. He discovers and invents his own reality, and he doesn’t suppose that any other human being has to agree to the contents of that reality : John Rappoport
Free thought, the constant enemy of the status quo
Chen:
If there was no rain, how did the garden of eden not become the desert of eden?
bb:
It’s not true because ancient people believed it. The fact that a giant flood is described worldwide is both a) a limited number of events are possible everywhere on earth and b) people tell other people stories. If you look, every culture has certain tales that have similar elements and could be said to be the same tale as long as you ignore all inconvenient details.
Furthermore, if only a handful of people survived a global flood, how did humanity not enter into a genetic whirlpool due to inbreeding? Using genesis, there were 8 people in the world, three who were descended from the two (Noah & wife). That means that every single harmful recessive condition should have been carried by an extremely limited population (after all, mutation is impossible because its too close to evil-oution, right?). Humanity wouldn’t have lasted three generations.
Monger:
The difference between science and religion is when science is wrong, it corrects things. Wrong ideas are dismissed, because they are wrong. Religious beliefs do not change, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Look at Mormonism: the founder, Joseph Smith, wrote about battles with elephants, Indians being lost tribes of Israel, massive wars rivaling the Romans’ conquest. SCIENCE ( and logic, history, etc.) SAYS WRONG! BUT THEY STILL BELIEVE IT! IT’S STILL THERE!
Chen:
Mexica law punished sodomy with the gallows, impalement for the active homosexual, extraction of the entrails through the anal orifice for the passive homosexual, and death by garrote for the lesbians.
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alynna_Kasmira/Homosexuality_in_Mexico
Bam,
Because the Garden of Eden was supposed to be located at the convergence of 4 rivers. The Tigris and Euphrates were two, but folks have been baffled for centuries – longer – because there are no other rivers where the Tigris and Euph. converge…
Satellite photos reveal that, yes there were two other rivers – now long dried up, called “fossil rivers” – the Pishon and the Gihon. With four freshwater rivers emptying into the same place, I don’t think a whole lot of rain is necessary…
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A bit clearer. This is a rendering, but the fossil rivers are there.
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Bam Bam comes in trying to run the table. Did you not read where I explained the steam rose from the ground?
I read somewhere that the ruling class did not have hetero sex, they preferred homo sex, same as now,
Billy posting bible school lessons? What’s next, Llpoh giving tax dodge lessons?
Monger
Going to answersingenesis.org for info regarding Noah’s flood is like going to KKK.org to find out about blacks ….. you KNOW the answer will be slanted. I know it’s hard work, but you might want to try more unbiased sources. I suppose you know that answersingenesis.org believes that DINOSAURS were on the ark! Enough said.
Ever put a fresh-water fish in ocean salt water? They die …. quickly. So, once 97% of the ocean water mixed with 3% of the fresh water … and it ALL became salt water … then, how is it that we still have fresh-water fish? They would have all died in the Great Flood.
BamBam can’t accept that their might be some truth in the tale of a global flood correlated by numerous ancient cultures , but has no problem swallowing dark matter and string theory gibberish , hook , line and sinker….and that sirs, and madams is faith in the full bloom.
Truth is truth and should be sought , regardless whether it comes fro history, science or religion or day to day observance. .Discounting ancient empirical evidence , because it doesn’t jive with one perception of natural creation is succumbing to willful ignorance. If it is ones’ preferred state, fine , but don’t be an ass towards others exploration into the possibility of the unknown.
Stucky on that salty ocean..http://www.varchive.org/itb/ecocean.htm
The Origin of the Oceans
The most obvious and permanent effect of a deluge of extraterrestrial origin on the Earth would be the increase in its water volume and of the place occupied by the seas. Presently four-fifths of the Earth are covered with water. A stupendous addition of water to the Earth should have decreased, not increased its salinity, if the water came down in a pure state. But if the Earth was showered by torrents of hydrogen and water some other ingredients of the Saturnian atmosphere could also have swept across the Earth’s orbit.
In the Buddhist book on “The World Cycles,” the Visuddhi-Magga, where the catastrophes that terminated the world ages are described, it is said:
But when a world cycle perishes by water . . . there arises a cycle-destroying great cloud of salt water. At first it rains with a very fine rain which gradually increases to great torrents which fill one hundred thousand times ten million worlds, and then the mountain peaks of the earth become flooded with saltish water, and hidden from view. And the water is buoyed up on all sides by the wind, and rises upward from the earth until it engulfs the heavens.(1)
Volcanoes which were active during the cataclysm of the Deluge and during other cosmic upheavals vomited sulphur, chlorine, and carbonates, and contributed to the composition of the salts of the oceans. Carbonates fell on Earth in large quantities in some of the upheavals, certainly in the one which took place in the middle of the second millennium before the present era, at the very end of the Middle Kingdom in Egypt, an upheaval described in detail in Worlds in Collision. But a major portion of the chlorine in which the oceans are so rich must have come from an extraterrestrial source.(2)
My explanation of the origin of a large portion of the salts of the seas suggests that Saturn is rich not only in water but also in chlorine, either in the form of sodium chloride or in some other combination, or even atomic free. The last solution, of atomic free chlorine, appeared chemically and biologically somewhat difficult to contemplate, because chlorine is a very active element, seeking ties with other elements; biologically because it would be damaging to any plant life, yet there are other indications which point to the possibility of plant life on Saturn.
References
The Visuddhi-Magga, transl. by H. C. Warren in Buddhism in Translations (Cambridge, Mass., 1896), Chap. xiii, p. 327.
[The knowledge that the water of the oceans came from the most part from Saturn and that the waters were salty was combined by the Greeks into a metaphor which has the sea being the “tear of Kronos.” This tradition originated with the Pythagorean school and may derive ultimately from Egypt. (Plutarch, De Iside et Osiride, ch. 32: “According to what the Pythagoreans say, the sea is the tear of Kronos.” Clement of Alexandria, Stromata, V. 8, 20f.: “This the Pythagoreans believed . . . comparing the sea to a tear of Kronos.” The same is found in a fragment of Aristotle in the edition of V. Rose (Teubner, 1886), no. 196. Cf. Porphyry’s Life of Pythagoras (Nauck ed., p. 39). Cf. also E. Lefebure, Etudes Egyptologiques, Vol. III: Le Mythe osirien (Paris, 1874), p. 125: . . . et il faut sans doute regarder comme égyptienne cette croyance des Pythagoriciens rapportée par Plutarch, que la mer était une larme de Kronos. . . .” ].
flash
I had to look up that Velikovsky fellow. Here’s what I found, he was trained as a ” psychiatrist and psychoanalyst”. Also, “Velikovsky’s theories have been ignored or vigorously rejected by the academic community.”
But, setting that aside, Bible Creationists (like answersingenesis.com) say that the Great Deluge happened a mere 6,000-10,000 years ago … which really doesn’t give Velikovsky’s theories enough time, by a huge margin.
Stuck, are we to assume one cannot understand a particular science or conduct research due to not being formally trained in that special filed of knowledge. I’m sure most great pioneers in research and creators of new inventions would wholeheartedly disagree.
Issaac Newton, whom most will agree was a most learned man, had an unshakeable Christian faith and spent his entire life searching for a hidden code in the bible. Was he a trained cryptographer? I don’t know , but if he wasn’t trained in the beginning , I’m sure he became thus so due to his great intellect , fueled by his magnificent imagination and great curiosity.
That said, I’ve read a good bit of Immanuel Velikovsky’s work , and his research is based on his extensive knowledge of ancient language and texts. He traveled the globe researching ,correlating and writing on the ancients texts concerning the beliefs of long gone cultures towards planets as Gods and the power they associated to these Gods as pertained to natural cataclysmic disasters.
Of course , the taxpayer grant funded ” academic research” crowd , would discount an extremely talented linguist’s account of a flux of planetary expansion, to do otherwise would admit the money they received has been for naught.
And , as an example of “academic research ” we know has been utterly and total bullshit, not to mention borderline criminal based on the fact that countless peoples’ heath was destroyed because of it , all we need to do is look at the FDA food pyramid and the anti-fat , pro – hydrogenated crap spew generated by all the scienctoadies on the payroll of we the stupid.
Peer Review has been reveled as one of the greasiest frauds of the 21 century , but still the ” academic research” is infallible stench lingers..
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/8022/20140711/science-fraud-peer-review-vulnerable.htm
Investigators have recently exposed a ring of fraudulent reviews, resulting in the retraction of a whopping 60 papers from a little-known journal. However, these retractions actually occur more than you’d think, even in big named journals.
The recent retraction in question occurred in the Journal of Vibration and Control and concerns 60 papers published over the last four years. The retractions were made last Tuesday following the conclusion of an investigation launched by SAGE Publications.
“Stuck, are we to assume one cannot understand a particular science or conduct research due to not being formally trained in that special filed of knowledge.” ——— flash
Not at all. But, the guy is still an amateur geologist, astronomer, whatever, and not a professional. That counts for something to me. If I’m getting open heart surgery and I see that my doctor’s degree is in Psychiatry, I’m going to be pretty damned concerned, regardless how smart the dude might be.
“Of course , the taxpayer grant funded ” academic research” crowd , would discount an extremely talented linguist’s account of a flux of planetary expansion, …” ——– flash
Yeah, it’s a corrupt field. Nevertheless, even a casual reading of Velikovsky’s work (limited to about the last half hour) makes me question whether he conducts ANY real science whatsoever.
He believes that Venus did not exist until recently. That about 3,500 years ago in the guise of a gigantic comet, it grazed Earth a couple of times, after having been ejected from the planet Jupiter some indefinite time earlier, before settling into its current orbit. No wonder the evil academic research crowd rejects his theories.
Furthermore, he believes it was the Venus/comet which caused the Great Deluge …. one of the more novel ideas I’ve ever heard.
“Under the weight of many arguments, I came to the conclusion–about which I no longer have any doubt–that it was the planet Venus, at the time still a comet, that caused the catastrophe of the days of Exodus .“ —- from his book, “Worlds in Collision”, page 181
CLEARLY, he isn’t basing ANYTHING he says on astronomical or scientific evidence. It is as you said; he argues on the basis of ancient cosmological myths, and seemingly from wherever they may appear ( India, China, Greece, Rome, Assyria, the Old Testament, and so on). It’s hard to take someone like that seriously … at least that’s the case for me.
If flash is satisfied by mere conjecture, I can pull a Velikovsky.
The world’s total population at that time consisted of a small number, under 600,000 and maybe less than that.
It would not take a worldwide flood but something more regional as Billy suggests above.
If the purpose was to eradicate the contemporary perverts of Noah’s time, a typhoon lasting several days would make do.
I’m not sure about Dino but it’s likely little bb’s ancestors were on that Ark.
Chen -If flash is satisfied by mere conjecture, I can pull a Velikovsky.
The world’s total population at that time consisted of a small number, under 600,000 and maybe less than that.
Sure OK, I’d like to see that census.
Stuck I’ve read a good bit of Velikovsky’s work and whole I am intrigued by much of it , and wouldn’t swear it fact on a litte bb’s fury ass, but neither would I discount it as not without merit…the cosmos is stranger than we can imagine..
And on trusting a MD just because they’ve been certified per US licensing laws is not a mistake I’ll make again.It has been experience with doctors , that most a re ignorant and thus dangerous dullards whom I wouldn’t trust taking out the dishwater much less an part of my anatomy..
MDES!
Hundreds sue Ky. hospital over heart procedures – USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/…/hundreds…heart-procedures/1925245/
USA Today
Feb 17, 2013 – After enduring at least two-dozen heart procedures over two … it examined, placing stents without justification in three of them. … The government had alleged that doctors were regularly performing unnecessary procedures.
The Redding Scandal
http://www.bmartin.cc/dissent/documents/health/tenet_redding.html
It began with revelations about hundreds of unnecessary heart operations at the …. the doctors performed unnecessary heart procedures on hundreds of patients. …. Strangers, also checked into Redding Medical Center about three years ago.
When Is a Medical Treatment Unnecessary? – The New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/…/when-is-a-medical-treatment-u...
The New Yorker
Oct 23, 2013 – In August, two leading medical societies published a report naming stents, … have heart attacks, one of the five most overused procedures in medicine. … of performing five hundred and eighty-five unnecessary procedures, have …. showed that for the first two to three years of follow-up those patients who ..
Hundreds of patients allege needless heart procedures …
http://www.kentucky.com/…/hundreds-of-patients-al...
Lexington Herald‑Leader
Sep 6, 2012 – LONDON — Doctors performed unneeded heart procedures on hundreds … lawsuit with nearly 300 heart patients — and takes the allegations seriously. … The people who had unnecessary procedures at the hospital suffered …
Lvh Sets Heart Surgery Quota System Doctors Say Action …
articles.mcall.com/…/2956460_1_heart-operations-heart-surgeons-heart-…
Mar 27, 1994 – In 1993, three heart surgeons at LVH performed fewer than 50 open heart … as many as 300 open heart operations a year before undergoing two bypass … Panebianco also said there is a concern about unnecessary surgery.
[PDF]Death by Medicine – webDC.com
http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf
by G Null – Cited by 38 – Related articles
The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually … (By contrast, the number of deaths attributable to heart disease in 2001 was 699,697 ….. In a typical 300-patient hospital, the number of errors per day was 40.