Liberty, Not Government, is Key to Containing Ebola

Guest Post by Ron Paul

According to Forbes magazine, at least 5,000 Americans contacted healthcare providers fearful they had contracted Ebola after the media reported that someone with Ebola had entered the United States. All 5,000 cases turned out to be false alarms. In fact, despite all the hype about Ebola generated by the media and government officials, as of this writing there has only been one preliminarily identified case of someone contracting Ebola within the United States.

Ebola is a dangerous disease, but it is very difficult to contract. Ebola spreads via direct contact with the virus.

This usually occurs though contact with bodily fluids. While the Ebola virus may remain on dry surfaces for several hours, it can be destroyed by common disinfectants. So common-sense precautions should be able to prevent Ebola from spreading.It is no coincidence that many of those countries suffering from mass Ebola outbreaks have also suffered from the plagues of dictatorship and war. The devastation wrought by years of war has made it impossible for these countries to develop modern healthcare infrastructure.

For example, the 14-year civil war in Liberia left that country with almost no trained doctors. Those who could leave the war-torn country were quick to depart. Sadly, American foreign aid props up dictators and encourages militarism in these countries.President Obama’s response to the Ebola crisis has been to send 3,000 troops to West African countries to help with treatment and containment. Obama did not bother to seek congressional authorization for this overseas military deployment. Nor did he bother to tell the American people how long the mission would last, how much it would cost, or what section of the Constitution authorizes him to send US troops on “humanitarian” missions.

The people of Liberia and other countries would be better off if the US government left them alone. Leave it to private citizens to invest in African business and trade with the African people. Private investment and trade would help these countries develop thriving free-market economies capable of sustaining a modern healthcare infrastructure.Legitimate concerns about protecting airline passengers from those with Ebola or other infectious diseases can best be addressed by returning responsibility for passenger safety to the airlines.

After all, private airlines have a greater incentive than does government to protect their passengers from contagious diseases. They can do so while providing a safe means of travel for those seeking medical treatment in the United States. This would remove the incentive to lie about exposure to the virus among those seeking to come here for treatment.Ebola patients in the US have received permission from the Food and Drug Administration to use “unapproved” drugs. This is a positive development. But why should those suffering from potentially lethal diseases have to seek special permission from federal bureaucrats to use treatments their physicians think might help? And does anyone doubt that the FDA’s cumbersome approval process has slowed down the development of treatments for Ebola?

Firestone Tire and Rubber Company has successfully contained the spread of Ebola among 80,000 people living in Harbel, the Liberian town housing employees of Firestone’s Liberian plant and their families. In March, after the wife of a Firestone employee developed Ebola symptoms, Firestone constructed its own treatment center and implemented a program of quarantine and treatment. Firestone has successfully kept the Ebola virus from spreading among its employees. As of this writing, there are only three Ebola patients at Firestone’s treatment facility.

Firestone’s success in containing Ebola shows that, far from justifying new state action, the Ebola crises demonstrates that individuals acting in the free market can do a better job of containing Ebola than can governments. The Ebola crisis is also another example of how US foreign aid harms the very people we are claiming to help. Limiting government at home and abroad is the best way to protect health and freedom.

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MIA
MIA
October 14, 2014 3:37 pm

Ron Paul A+

Dutchman
Dutchman
October 14, 2014 3:40 pm

“very difficult to contract” – Why would you want to read any further? What could the validity be for the rest of the article?

Dutchman
Dutchman
October 14, 2014 4:27 pm

Well that nurse in Dallas took all the precautions and is infected. No procedure is 100%.

ASIG
ASIG
October 14, 2014 4:59 pm

I’ve stated before that different strains of Ebola have different characteristics. Some strains are very difficult to catch and it appears that what is in play today may well be a new strain that is much more infectious than any strain they have dealt with before. This appears to be something new.

I have no doubt about the example he gives with the case of Firestone successfully dealing with an outbreak of Ebola and the implied assumption is that this outbreak should be dealt with just as easily. But was Firestone dealing with one of the strains of Ebola that is difficult to catch? Because if so how does that have any relevance to this case where even the most sophisticated of protection systems is still not preventing spread of this disease?

Clearly this strain of Ebola is not as they claim “difficult to contract”.

Sensetti
Sensetti
October 14, 2014 5:22 pm

There are MD’s that disagree with Dr Paul’s statement. Did you see the Doctor who got on the plane in the white jump suit with the CDC is lying.

When CDC Director Tim Frieden first announced, just a week ago and very erroneously, that he was “confident we will stop Ebola in its tracks here in the United States”, he hardly anticipated facing the double humiliation of not only having the first person-to-person transmission of Ebola on US soil taking place within a week, but that said transmission would impact a s
upposedly protected healthcare worker. He certainly did not anticipate the violent public reaction that would result when, instead of taking blame for another epic CDC blunder, one which made many wonder if last night’s Walking Dead season premier was in fact non-fiction, he blamed health workers for “not following protocol.”

And yet, while once again casting scapegoating and blame, the CDC sternly refuses to acknowledge something others, and not just tingoil blog sites, are increasingly contemplating as a distinct possibility: namely that Ebola is, contrary to CDC “protocol”, in fact airborne. Or as, an article posted by CIDRAP defines it, “aerosolized.”

Who is CIDRAP? “The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP; “SID-wrap”) is a global leader in addressing public health preparedness and emerging infectious disease response. Founded in 2001, CIDRAP is part of the Academic Health Center at the University of Minnesota.”

The full punchline from the CIDRAP report:

We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks.
In other words, airborne. And now the search for the next LAKE, i.e., a public company maker of powered air-purifying respirator (PAPR), begins.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-13/cidrap-we-believe-there-scientific-evidence-ebola-has-potential-be-airborne

Billy
Billy
October 14, 2014 5:45 pm

[img]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8u4OZvS-oo[/img]

Sensetti
Sensetti
October 14, 2014 6:19 pm

Admin, I can assure you the utmost precautions where taken. A high profile case that the world has it’s eyes on, you better believe it was not taken lightly. ICU nurses deal with infectious disease on a regular basis it’s not like it’s some new procedure they’ve never been around. They deal with CDiff, meningitis, TB, MRSA, VRE, Acinetobactor, just to name a few.

I really hope this disease proves not to be as virulent as I suspect. It’s always better to error on the side of caution when it may cost you your life.

Sensetti
Sensetti
October 14, 2014 6:33 pm

Immunopathology of highly virulent pathogens: insights from Ebola virus.
Zampieri CA1, Sullivan NJ, Nabel GJ.
Author information

Ebola virus is a highly virulent pathogen capable of inducing a frequently lethal hemorrhagic fever syndrome. Accumulating evidence indicates that the virus actively subverts both innate and adaptive immune responses and triggers harmful inflammatory responses as it inflicts direct tissue damage. The host immune system is ultimately overwhelmed by a combination of inflammatory factors and virus-induced cell damage, particularly in the liver and vasculature, often leading to death from septic shock. We summarize the mechanisms of immune dysregulation and virus-mediated cell damage in Ebola virus-infected patients. Future approaches to prevention and treatment of infection will be guided by answers to unresolved questions about interspecies transmission, molecular mechanisms of pathogenesis, and protective adaptive and innate immune responses to Ebola virus.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17952040

See where it says unresolved questions? I believe there are many unresolved questions and would recommend we all error on the side of caution.

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
October 14, 2014 6:38 pm

Dr. Paul’s point about individuals acting in their own enlightened self interest (=aka LIBERTY) in the free market setting have:

1) the common sense,

2) skin in the game,

3) freedom from top-down cumbersome bureaucratic regulations & morons,

to actually protect people and save lives in the most effective and least costly way possible.

Which is totally the OPPOSITE of what we are seeing with the CDC/fed.gov response so far, which is the point, really.

Hey! Anybody seen Duncan’s family members lately? Cuz there is some internet scrubbing going on here about some Ebola stories.

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/three-ebola-stories-the-mainstream-media-literally-scrubbed-from-the-internet_102014

Start screen saving with the URL.

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
October 14, 2014 7:03 pm

Watch Sanjay Gupta on CNN do the CDC protocol and manage to “contaminate” himself using chocolate sauce as stand in for Ebola laden bodily fluids.

His shocked sort of expression at the end is priceless.

Conclusion: Listening to the CDC is gonna get you killed.

llpoh
llpoh
October 14, 2014 7:46 pm

Hope – out of curiosity, why do they not decontaminate with bleach/whatever fully before they start to remove the suits? Ie try to kill any virus before they start the process? Also, I have read where ultraviolet light baths may accomplish the same thing.

Please give your comments.

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
October 14, 2014 7:55 pm

Prob cuz then U have more fluids of uncertain degree of viral killing sloshing around the place.

Or bleach doesn’t kill this fucker.

Or an Obama crony like Warren Buffet hasn’t cornered the bleach market.

Sensetti
Sensetti
October 14, 2014 8:22 pm

Hope I wonder if Duncan’s family is hiding behind Hippa laws.

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
October 14, 2014 8:52 pm

Actually, under HIPPA, confidentiality does not apply when there is a public health threat. HOWEVER, if the confidentiality to be breached is that of a “protected” group, then the medical facts will be locked down tighter than Fort Knox lest the “protected” group get a nonPC black eye.

Of course, with something like Ebola, all the law will go right out the window and the fed.gov will do whatever it wants, to serve their statist/progressive agenda.

I think Duncan’s family has had some significant backlash over their (ungrateful) ranting about how racist and hateful the hospital was to turn him away. People down here were seriously pissed.

Still, it is now day 17 of that 21 day “safe” period and no news is good news, I guess.

Sensetti
Sensetti
October 14, 2014 9:12 pm

Puzzling if family skates by Ebola free with no gear and nurse suited up is infected. Is it possible the bug is more virulent in final stages of the host.

ASIG
ASIG
October 14, 2014 9:26 pm

Sensetti

” Is it possible the bug is more virulent in final stages of the host.”

Yes that’s the way I understand it. Contagion begins around the time the person exhibits the first symptom which usually is a high fever.

Sensetti
Sensetti
October 14, 2014 9:41 pm

The guy was most likely contagious the first time he went to the ED. I’am just trying to figure out a plausible explanation as to why the family is not infected without PPE and the nurse gets infected using PPE.

MIA
MIA
October 14, 2014 9:54 pm

Her boyfriend is now under observation for the virus and her spaniel dog has been quarantined for the time being. No word on the status of her family or the other 48 people she has had contact with. Hope in a earlier post says there may be a blackout on that and other related ebola information.

MIA
MIA
October 14, 2014 10:12 pm

The boyfriend of Nina Pham, the nurse who contracted the Ebola virus from a Liberian national, may have been admitted to a hospital.

The unnamed boyfriend has been admitted to a hospital, according to an email that was allegedly sent to Alcon staff by its CEO Jeff George.

Alternative news outlet Got News initially reported that the boyfriend was admitted.

The website said that it received word from two different Alcon employees, both of whom asked not to be identified.

One of the now-deleted tweets that the website refers to says that Pham’s parents work at Alcon, as does the boyfriend.

A Twitter user later posted a screenshot of what is allegedly an email from George to Alcon employees confirming that the boyfriend has been quarantined.

“I am writing to make you aware that one of our Fort Worth associates was admitted to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital,” said George in the email. “He is being monitored for potential signs and symptoms of the Ebola virus.”

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
October 14, 2014 10:28 pm

Here’s two more Ebols Fun Facts:

1) In one of the first studies on the genetic analysis of this current strain, FIVE of the original researchers that did the laboratory work DIED OF EBOLA prior to publication. That is, even among people who spent their lives studying viral hemorrhagic fevers (like Marburg, Ebola) who did all the “proper” containment, contracted Ebola and died of it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/ebola-virus-five-coauthors-of-latest-study-on-outbreak-died-before-research-was-published-9701346.html

Here’s their work – http://www.sciencemag.org/content/345/6202/1369.full

Oh, and their research showed that by March, this strain had already acquired 395 mutations. Joy.

2) Evidently, YOU DO NOT NEED FEVER TO BE INFECTIOUS. In 1 study, at least 13% of infected people did not have fever. So screening by temperature can miss significant numbers of infected/infectious people.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-1012-ebola-fever-20141012-story.html#page=1

SOOO, let’s just let 150 West Africans per day into the USA after they LIE on their immigration forms, are “screened”by their fellow West Africans (=paid them off to get out of the country), came throught the our TSA (which is more interested in searching the diapers of 80yo patients with leukemia) and who are using temperature probes that are not that accurate into a healthcare system that is reeling from Obamacare in a country teetering on financial collapse.

Cuz diversity and racism and white privilege.

Yeah, what can POSSIBLY go wrong?

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
October 14, 2014 10:54 pm

@sensetti: Probably the nurse got infected, not the family (at least so far), is that by the time Duncan was in the hospital, he had 2 logs more virus in his body, thus more virus per bodily-fluid-unit. That delta of viral load is what is seen in those that recover and those that do not.

Alternatively, it could be that West Africans have some “innate” immunity in how they handle the runaway inflammatory cascade set off by Ebola (which is what kills the patient) or their dendritic cells have less C type lectins on their cell surfaces and thus less chance for entry into the cell by Ebola.

There are well recognized differences in cellular immunity, cytokine response and cell surface antigens between Europeans and Africans that accounts for the vast difference in response to infection/disease course with malaria, TB, AIDS, and some fungal disease between these groups.

Sooo, we shall see. If that boyfriend comes up positive, oh Lord, we are in trouble.

Oh, and the cafeteria at Texas Presby Hospital is a ghost town and their ER has gone on “diversion” – allegedly cuz they have to “decontaminate” it but I hear it is because a ton of staff has not showed up.

Joy.

Sensetti
Sensetti
October 14, 2014 11:04 pm

One thing about Ebola. No matter what anyone says or the spin that is put in place to calm the masses time will be the arbitrator of the truth.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
October 14, 2014 11:08 pm

Thanks, Hope. I think.

Sensetti
Sensetti
October 14, 2014 11:16 pm

Thanks hope that’s what I was running through my head is his viral load increasing with time making him more infectious. But way beyond my edumacation.

Hope what do you think? Do the embers of this fire die down or is all hell about to be unleashed?

Every young female RN I know has told me Hell to the no they won’t show up and take Ebola home to their children.
I bet nursing school enrollment drops off creating a nursing shortage going forward.

Lots of ways for this shitstorm to go from bad to worse

ASIG
ASIG
October 14, 2014 11:16 pm

Hope@——–“this strain had already acquired 395 mutations.”

OMG!

That then confirms what I’ve been saying —– This appears to be something new.(new Ebola strain)

Clearly the claim by the CDC that “ Ebola is very difficult to contract” Is a total lie.

Why in the world would they now be switching to the more sophisticated (expensive) hazmat suits (designed to protect against aerosolized Pathogens) if they’re dealing with a virus that is “very difficult to contract”?

The other thing I’ve been consistently saying is that unrestricted travel from the West African countries to the US is INSANE!

Sensetti
Sensetti
October 14, 2014 11:35 pm

Hope please keep us updated on Ebola as you assess the incoming information and thank you in advance. Of course as time allows.

MIA
MIA
October 14, 2014 11:42 pm

Thoughts by a Nurse on a previous thread

Susan says:

Kill Bill: My son is an aviation technician with an avionics certification. He does much the same thing every day. He’s highly trained as you are, and in the excellent physical shape the job requires as you were/are also I assume. There is inherent danger and then there is carelessness. The two shouldn’t be mistaken.

I have been in medical services since 1994. First as an EMS person then as a nurse. I am used to putting my life on the line in service to others. I used to be the one who ran into the burning house you all ran out of. I’ve fallen through floors, been in flashovers, broken bones from collapsing gear, been puked on by contagious patients, been stuck by contaminated broken glass, had exposures to tuberculosis, meningitis and hepatitis among other things. It is part of the job. You just keep working, whiners need not apply. HOWEVER.

I was trained in how to deal with all of the above, and I was given the tools to do my job properly and safely. My supervisors took my safety seriously. I was trained to recognize the symptoms/signs of danger in the situations I faced and encouraged – required even – to take appropriate action to minimize the dangers to myself and my crew.

This is not the case when it comes to Ebola. Hospitals aren’t capable of handling this, just ask any nurse or doctor in a facility near you – off the record, of course. There is no training and no real plans for training. No facility is going to waste the money to purchase the gear and then waste a lot of it in training staff how to safely don and doff it, unlike the training offered to me in HazMat, fire fighting, and EMS training. It’s just not going to happen.

You want people to not be afraid? Then they need to be trained to recognize early symptoms, to be ready to err on the side of safety, and to be aggressive about taking defensive actions. Nurses in particular are held up as these Florence Nightingales with lanterns sacrificing their lives in service to unwashed humanity (even the males among us).

Do you really think, when health care has become a multimillion dollar business, that image is going to be the reality? When what the WHO and the CDC say about transmissibility differs in not insignificant and potentially deadly ways? When Sanjay Gupta can’t doff protective gear without contaminating himself on live TV?

My husband also works in the health care field and had a conversation with a doctor about Ebola. The doctor said straight up that if it became an epidemic he wasn’t going to be bothering to come to work, he was going to be home caring for the safety and health of his family where he belonged. That’s the reality. It’s not pretty, it’s not what the public wants to hear, but reality is a harsh mistress.

I’m not afraid, at least not blindly so. I think one must take precautions, and protect oneself, and be able to assess risk. I have a lot more chance of getting a Norwalk type virus than I do of getting Ebola, thankfully, because one involves 3 days of wishing I were dead and one involves the likely possibility I will in fact die. It’s all in assessing risk.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
October 14, 2014 11:53 pm

Sensetti: “I bet nursing school enrollment drops off creating a nursing shortage going forward. ”

That’s easy to remedy: More H-1B visas for nurses from West Africa. I’m not kidding. Until a couple of years ago, a nursing degree from an acceptable school in West Africa (or anywhere in the world) meant a guaranteed H-1B visa, due to a reported nurse shortage. Many of them ended up getting a nurse’s aide job at nursing homes. American nursing home residents are mostly cared for by immigrants. Can’t blame the immigrants if Americans aren’t willing to care for their own aged parents.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
October 15, 2014 12:21 am

I’ve been thinking about taking up smoking again. I mean why the fuck not?

backwardsevolution
backwardsevolution
October 15, 2014 2:21 am

Hope – yes, I think the real dangerous time is when the patient is loaded with virus, towards the end. These nurses and doctors need to be wearing more than face masks. WTF? Was reading an article (which of course I can’t find again) re Kent Brantly (the doctor who was air-lifted back to the States and survived). He said the disease was very embarrassing – bodily fluids flying out of you – but he also said he had a “cough”. If so, this could be where patients are able to infect health care workers, even when their skin is protected. This was the second time I had read about a cough being present.

There is more and more information coming out about aerosol droplets. If these people are coughing, then nurses and doctors need to be wearing respirators.

Interesting article from another doctor (Kent Brantly’s boss) re Kent Brantly’s condition (dying) before ZMapp and after, although he also received blood from an Ebola survivor. Hard to know what saved him.

“He called Brantly’s wife, Amber, who is a nurse, and told her things looked dire.

“I told her, ‘Amber, he’s in very bad condition. I’m very, very concerned.’ I never said he was dying because I was trying to be tactful, but she knew. And Kent knew he was dying. We never talked about it, but he’s a great doctor. He knew.” […]

About half an hour after the treatment started, Brantly began to shake uncontrollably, a sign known clinically as rigors.

“I’m certain that was the antibodies saturating and overwhelming the virus,” Plyler says.

After a while, the rigors subsided. Brantly’s temperature came down. His breathing became more regular. A rash that had spread across his torso became less intense. Within hours, Brantly got up and walked to the bathroom, which he had not done in a day and a half.”

http://www.webmd.com/news/20140912/saving-kent-brantly?page=2

ASIG
ASIG
October 15, 2014 3:00 am

“W.H.O. Contradicts CDC, admits Ebola can Spread via coughing, sneezing and by touching comtaminated surfaces”

http://www.naturalnews.com/047177_Ebola_transmission_direct_contact_aerosolized_particles.html
——————————–
“According to the CDC, Ebola can only spread via “direct contact,” but the CDC is basing this assumption on the behavior of the Ebola outbreak from 1976 — nearly four decades ago.”

This is what I have been saying all along— Different strains have different, characteristics you can’t assume today’s strain is the same as some strain in the past, they are very different.
———————————
“all honest virologists agree that the longer Ebola remains in circulation in West Africa, replicating among human hosts, the more chances it has to mutate into an airborne strain.”
———————————
“This is why government claims that “we have this under control” are just as much hogwash as the claim that Ebola can only spread via “direct contact.”

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
October 15, 2014 7:41 am

Ho. Le. Fuk.

Ya know, sometimes, I really really really hate to be right.

Plz review the CNN video link I posted above of Dr. Gupta showing how easily a person can get a breach using the CDC protocol. Factoring in the incredible viral loads of these patients being cared for by possibly more susceptible (ie non African) healthcare workers, well FUBAR CF doesn’t even begin to describe it.

TE
TE
October 15, 2014 9:11 am

I refuse to panic until the day our Administration comes forth declaring a “war” on ebola.

We all know, and acknowledge, how well all Us.gov’s wars go.

Billions for gubment workers, reduced/worse outcomes for us.

Thanks for you input Hope, it is great to see you around here.

Sensetti
Sensetti
October 15, 2014 9:18 am

Iska Waran we already have a nursing shortage. BTW foreign nurses still have to take Nursing Boards here, it’s just not that easy. Of course laws can be change with Obamas pen.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
October 15, 2014 9:30 am

The people of Liberia and other countries would be better off if the US government left them alone. Leave it to private citizens to invest in African business and trade with the African people. Private investment and trade would help these countries develop thriving free-market economies capable of sustaining a modern healthcare infrastructure.

Same old idealist rubbish from Ronnie Paul.

Earth to Ron Paul . Institutions are the bye product of people not the other way around.

Maybe Ronnie knows this but prefers to be politically correct.

Rise Up
Rise Up
October 15, 2014 9:46 am

Last night Megyn Kelly interviewed the CDC tool Frieden, and my jaw hit the floor when he said he would enter a room with an Ebola patient with only gloves and a face mask and not a full protective suit. Their own poster of how to dress for Ebola doesn’t reference any head protection! Watch at 7:49.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am0uqvvjgxw

Sensetti
Sensetti
October 15, 2014 10:02 am

Rise up I watched the interview last night. The good Doctor needs to step down. He’s spinning the information an attempt to keep the sheep calm so the don’t run off the cliff.

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Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
October 15, 2014 10:10 am

@backwards: The ZMAPP drug that Dr. Kent Brantly was treated with contains 3 monoclonal antibodies that were originally generated in mice, the genes coding for the antibodies were passed into human cells, then that bit of DNA was transfected for mass production in tobacco plants which is actually where the final antibodies are made. This is a very laborious process with lots of places to fail.

(I actually made monoclonal antibodies from mice back in 1983 and can tell you from first hand experience how much of a PITA it is. What is done with ZMAPP is to actually isolate the GENES encoding the antibodies and use that gene, not mouse-human hybrid myeloma cells, to generate antibodies. This is several orders of magnitude harder than what I did and I stand in complete fookin’ awe of this accomplishment.)

So ZMAPP is essentially a passive immunization. That is, Dr. Brantly was given antibodies to Ebola (the Kitwit Congo strain actually) in time to bind up the virus and prevent the fatal cascade of inflammatory cytokines and collapse of the coagulation system.

Dr. Brantly has clearly had time to generated anti-Ebola antibodies, which are always found early in the infection of survivors of the disease and never those destined to die from it. His serum has been used to help Dr. Rick Sacra, Ashoka Mukpo and the nurse Nina Pham. This serum based therapy only works if the recipient is otherwise a compatible blood donor.

And that whole issue of compatibility is tricky because ABO status and the Rh factor varies with various ethnic groups. I can hear the sceams of outrage when Dr. Brantly’s serum isn’t infused into a black/hispanic due to ABO incompatibility and this is interpreted as “discrimination” by the Race Baiters.

And so it goes.

Gubmint Cheese
Gubmint Cheese
October 15, 2014 10:13 am

Meh, Ron Paul is/was an OB/GYN.
I would rather take my information regarding hemorrhagic viruses from someone in another field of work.

I had an emergency meeting all yesterday morning with an Edgewood Army Arsenal NBC defense Engineering team to start work immediately on designing and building a boat load of portable battery powered, molle mounted, back pack spray decon units to be used by personnel in MOPP IV gear.
This includes developing a complete technical data package so others can manufacture it exactly.

What’s the rush?

Watch what the gubmint does, not what it says.

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
October 15, 2014 10:25 am

@Gubmit: Thanks, I just spit my Earl Grey tea all over my laptop. That is fookin’ scary. MOPP gear is ALREADY supposed to protect the soldier from biologic threats and you are telling us that the fed.gov thinks they need to add essentially a MOBILE DECONTAMINATION UNIT to it?

What. The. Fuck does the fed.gov thinks is going to happen?

Don’t answer that.

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Note that MOPP IV is the highest level of MOPP (which is Mission Oriented Protective Posture).

I’ve done MOPP training in Central Texas during my Army Reserve days and it is a total PITA. The higher the PITA Factor for doing a task, the more likely said task is not done properly or at all.

TE
TE
October 15, 2014 10:27 am

@Gubmint Cheese says, “Watch what the gubmint does, not what it says. ” If “we” did that, there isn’t a lifetime member of CONgress that would still be there. “We” don’t care about that, produce a nice soundbite and tell us what we need to know.

After reading this, I wondered off, and thought about the statement, “Liberty, Not Government, is key to…”

That statement can be placed in front of so many things, well, could be, but won’t.

I see the Matrix but can’t stop its continued solidification. So it flippin’ goes.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
October 15, 2014 10:52 am

I have not been able to find Doc Brantley’s blood type anywhere. Or Duncan’s. My guess is that Brantley is O+, since that would make him a donor for anyone who’s Rh positive. Duncan may have been Rh negative. Supposedly Brantley offered his blood for Duncan. Maybe Duncan was too far gone. Or maybe people just figured “fuck him”. More info would be better, but they’re hiding as much as they can.

Bostonbob
Bostonbob
October 15, 2014 10:58 am

Awesome commentary Hope. Extremely informative. So nice to have you back.
Thank you,
Bob.

Dutchman
Dutchman
October 15, 2014 10:59 am

The only safe thing I can think of is to have the Ebola survivors take care of the current Ebola patients – In an “Ebola” only hospital.

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
October 15, 2014 11:01 am

@Iska Warren: Yes, the Most Transparent Administration Ever will certainly keep the people in the loop!

Here’s my last bit of Ebola Doom here. The WHO just released a report that the INCUBATION PERIOD MAY BE 42 DAYS NOT 21.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/14-october-2014/en/

So you actually need a 42 day period to catch 98% off all infections, not 21 days.

Amazingly, it was the Nigerians that figured this out and did the contact tracing. Of course, Nigeria basically put the affected area under martial law and used troops to confine exposed/infected people, but hey.

Bostonbob
Bostonbob
October 15, 2014 12:15 pm

And so it goes.
Bob.

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Oct. 15 (Bloomberg) — A second health-care worker in Texas tested positive after caring for an Ebola patient, opening new questions about oversight lapses by federal officials and spurring a nurses’ group to criticize safety precautions used within the hospital. University of Warwick Professor David Evans speaks on “Market Makers.” (Source: Bloomberg)
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The second health-care worker diagnosed with Ebola in Texas flew between Cleveland and Dallas hours before she reported symptoms to state health workers, U.S. health officials said today.

The caregiver caught the deadly virus while treating patient Thomas Eric Duncan at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas this month. She flew to Dallas on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 the night of Oct. 13, according to a e-mailed statement by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. She then reported symptoms the next morning.

“Because of the proximity in time between the evening flight and first report of illness the following morning, CDC is reaching out to passengers,” the agency said. The plane had 132 passengers, the CDC said.

The flight was the last of the day for the aircraft, which returned to service the next day after receiving “a thorough cleaning per our normal procedures,” Frontier Airlines said in a statement.

The health worker originally traveled to Cleveland from Dallas on Frontier flight 1142 to on Oct. 10, the airline said.

This is the second health-care worker infected with Ebola while caring for Duncan, a Liberian visitor to the U.S. who died at the hospital on Oct. 2. Asked at a briefing today about the hospital’s performance, Daniel Varga, the chief clinical officer for the hospital group, said “I don’t think we have a systemic institutional problem.”
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U.S. state and local health workers are attempting to combat any spread of Ebola in the U.S. after the hospital where Duncan was treated has been criticized for not having initially done enough to protect the people taking care of him.

National Nurses United, a labor union, said the hospital left Duncan for hours in an area with other patients, supplied safety suits with exposed necks, forcing nurses to use medical tape to cover their skin, played down the need for more protective face masks, and sent Duncan’s lab specimens through the system without being specially sealed.

The latest health worker infected reported a fever yesterday and was immediately isolated at the hospital, the Texas Department of State Health Services said in a statement today. A preliminary Ebola test was run late yesterday at the state public health laboratory in Austin, and results were received at about midnight.

Sensetti
Sensetti
October 15, 2014 1:01 pm

You”ll know its a freaking disaster when he cancels of golf game.

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Gubmint Cheese
Gubmint Cheese
October 15, 2014 1:49 pm

Yes. Portable decon units for MOPP IV donned soldiers. That way they can decon larger areas, themselves and their equipment. Dexterity is a bitch with those thick rubber gloves on so you have to think about that when designing all the equipment.

That’s an M50 mask in that MOPP III/IV postures shown. Got one sitting on my desk now.

Those dedicated filters on it are pieces of shit, with currently just one manufacturer, whom has issues with manufacturing them.

I’ll take my chances my personal favorite, the M53 Mask. It uses the standard commercially available 40mm threaded filters and now works well with or without a PAPR.