Paul Simon sang — “When I think back on all the crap I learned in high school it’s a wonder I can think at all. And though my lack of education hasn’t hurt me none I can read the writing on the wall.”
I’m not exaggerating when I say my high school years were the worst four years of my life. Most everything I needed to learn I learned in kindergarten, picked up a thing or two as late as 8th grade, but I didn’t learn Jack Shit in grades 9 through 12. I had few friends. It was so bad, as you will see in the pictures below, not even Da Gooberment tried to protect me!
What they tried to teach me was mostly a Big Pile Of Bullshit. Here, let Pete Seeger ‘splain it to you in under two minutes.
It’s not that I wanted a lot of government protection. Eddie Billian (actual name), a wannabe jockfuk, picked on me almost every single day. I used to daydream about cutting off his hands in shop class. I would have been happy if they let me get away with just that, a Justifiable Amputation. Even after all these years … Eddie, if you’re reading this just know that if I ever run into you, I’m going to kick you in the fuck.
Unfortunately, we now have laws governing ………. everything. Laws we couldn’t even have imagined back in my day. Somewhere along the line we gave up our right to choose even simple things, and allowed the government to impose their standards upon us. As you read this, just ask yourself one question: —–“When will we tell the government we would rather die, than continue to be their mindless slaves?”
WHEN did we say, “To hell with this?”
OK, let’s get started.
That was the extent of the warning my mom gave me. Back in my day, there were well over 200 activities that could put your eye out! But, virtually none that could kill you. How much fun can a game be if there isn’t at least a small chance of death?
So, the kids on our block played an interesting version; each of us would get one jart and at the same we’d throw it straight up in the air as high as we could, and then we’d dodge the incoming hail of plastic and steel … the idea being to wait to dodge the missile until the very last possible second. One time a jart buried itself into Angelo Falcone’s foot, and he started to cry when blood oozed through his white Converse sneakers …. not because it hurt, but because his father was gonna kill him for messing up his sneakers!
It’s been shown that the business end of a jart can land with a force of several thousand pounds of pressure per square inch. Seriously. We Boomers may have ruined America, but we surely weren’t pussies.
By my own estimate, I believe jarts were thrown about 138.4 Billion times by 1987. In April 1987, seven-year-old Michelle Snow was killed by a lawn dart thrown by one of her brothers’ playmates in the backyard of their home in Riverside, California. She should have ducked. Previously, only two other children died. So, 138.4 Billion throws … 3 dead … do the math. Mr. Snow went on a crusade and by 1989 Congress banned jarts, again, but this time forever.
In one respect, I suppose it’s nice that in America one person can still make a difference. On the other hand, one person gets their way almost always at the expense of thousands of others. Isn’t this tyranny by the few?
In the news today the town of Westminster, MA (pop: 7,000) banned the sale of any and all tobacco products ….. a decision made by a THREE MEMBER Board Of Health. Three people who don’t give a damn that the overwhelming majority of the town does not support this action. Why …. that’s almost as bad as 317 million Americans being ruled by 535 criminals in Congress.
Back in my day, it seemed like everyone smoked. Watch an old episode of Perry Mason; Perry and Paul Drake smoked constantly … murderers smoked while murdering. Doctors smoked while delivering babies. You could smoke in a supermarket, in an airplane, or any restaurant. Teachers smoked. Students smoked in the bathroom. Doctors smoked Lucky Strikes. Even Father Joseph at my Catholic school, St Peter’s, smoked while greeting Sunday parishioners.
Asking “Mind if I light up?” was a mere formality. No one dared say, “No!” for fear of being labeled a pussy. Smokers smoked and there was zero lack of concern for those who didn’t smoke. Smokers weren’t forced outside …. non-smokers were! Those were the good old days of ‘IN YOUR FACE!’. It was a world full of adults who didn’t have anxiety attacks over a thousand different “safety” issues.
Whether riding a bike, or roller skating, or skateboarding …. NO ONE wore a helmet. If you did, your social life would have been over, kaput, finito … an outcast, destined for humiliation and abuse … especially in gym class. There were only two groups that wore helmets; football players and the mentally retarded. (Our own poster, bb, wore a helmet … and he wasn’t a football player.)
My dad’s first two cars didn’t have seat-belts. My first car, a 1958 Pontiac Chieftain, didn’t have seat-belts. When we did get cars with seat-belts, we didn’t wear them. They were a pain in the ass. Belts were made to hold up your pants, not bind you up in a seat. Child seats? Never heard of them. When we brought my new baby sister home from the hospital, my mom just threw her in the back seat … with me. I did put a Teddy Bear on the edge of the seat to keep her from falling off.
Sure, I’ll agree that seat-belts save lives. But, that’s not the point. It should be a PERSONAL decision … not one forced upon you. Besides, the gooberment doesn’t give a rats ass about your life …. otherwise they wouldn’t have sent 100,000+ young men to their deaths in various adventurous wars since WWII. Nosiree. “Click-it or ticket” is all about extracting more money from your wallet into theirs.
In case you didn’t read the ad … you must;
“Tanfastic lets the sunshine in. It’s not loaded up with sunburn protection like old folks and kids want. Tanfastic’s for you 15-to-25 year olds who can take the sun. Especially if you want to get superdark. Superfast.”
Got that? Back in my day we did NOT try to BLOCK the sun. Oh, no!! The goal was to AMPLIFY the sun’s rays. Get dark, baby .. real, real dark!! Screw that sun-screen shit. The only people who went the sunscreen route were those with medical conditions … like, albinos. My sister (I swear!) used to smear herself with butter. Other women (like, Nancy Pelosi) used Crisco. I swear that’s true. Back then few ever asked, “What could go wrong?” If it feels good, do it, and being a Darkie felt reeeeal good.
Sadly, that’s the world we live in today. I’ve seen parents hook up their children with what looks like a dog leash. A few weeks ago we went out to eat with Ms. Freud’s son and family. It was a nice day, so we ate outside in the patio area. As it so happened her grandson, Andrew, wandered off …. a few feet behind another table … when his mommie started freaking the fuck out … “WHERE’S ANDREW!! WHERE’S ANDREW!!!!!!”. It was so goddamn embarrassing, you have no idea.
During summer vacation from school, somewhere around 9AM I would proudly announce, “I’m going out to play!” Mom’s only response, “You better be home by dinner!” …. which was 6PM. Yeah, nine hours of unsupervised activity. Oh, you should know … I lived in Newark, NJ. I would wander literally MILES from home … either to Weequahic Park (a two mile walk), or to my best friend’s house in Irvington (a five mile bike ride … no helmet). Sometimes my dad would take me shopping to the lumber yard, hardware store, etc., and if I was a pain in the ass, meaning, I’d pester him to buy me shit, well … he would just leave me in the car once we arrived at the destination. Sometimes that happened during 100 degree weather. BOTH my parents would have been arrested, dozens of times, in today’s environment. I think it was Pogo who said, “We have met the enemy, and it’s us.”
That’s what my dad said when he was teaching me to ride a bicycle, and I was doing just fine, and then the sumvabitch let go, and then I freaked out, and then I fell, and then I scraped my elbow and hand badly enough to draw blood, and then I cried, and then yeah he said “Quit being a baby!”, and then mom came running and spit (yes, spit) in a hanky and then tied it around my arm with her kerchief (yes, kerchief), and then I got my (then) skinny ass back on the bike and then learned to ride it THAT very day. Our “first aid” kit consisted of Band-Aids and a bottle of iodine.
See the kid in the picture? He’s about to have his nuts rammed by a goat. See the adults? They think that’s funny as shit. We were tough back then.
Do you know the nutritional value of white bread? I’ll tell you. Less than zero. In other words, eating it actually extracts needed minerals and vitamins from your body. Wilson’s Mor was originally named Wilson’s Moron … cuz you gotta be a retard to eat it; pig’s head, snout, cheek meat, and even tongue. Their motto is “everything but the squeal” Yummy!!
As a child, I did not know one single adult, ever, who was concerned about getting this or that vitamin, or this or that mineral … except in commercials. We ate some of the crappiest “food” ever invented. Yet, we survived, and even thrived.
Compare yesteryear to Moochelle’s Mandated gooberment lunch. Below is a picture taken earlier this week by Darrel Bunch, a senior at Haskell High School in Oklahoma. WTF???
And Lastly …
Not that there’s anything wrong with that. It was better that way. And that’s all I have to say about that.
James sounds like a fighter, good on him. Swing away, James, the latent homos here could use an ass-kicking. Stuck said he changed from Neo-Con just by coming here to TBP, perhaps a few Latents will open their eyes. I look forward to hearing about I-S’ conversion.
Stucky – That hockey game was the bomb, at least you could control what was going on, the electric football was always a cluster. Ha, 1%’er my fat hairy ass….
James the Flamer wrote:
“I’m glad I don’t live where you live.”
Me too. You could learn something from the homos that live around here. They aren’t the flaming variety, prancing around and insisting that you acknowledge, understand and accept their perversions and give them special rights because of it. Actually you wouldn’t learn anything from them because they behave like adults and you’re not there yet. If you were, no one here would know you smoke pole and pack fudge.
I’m not the slightest bit homophobic. I could care less. Wanna get married? Fine. No reason heteros should suffer alone in that regard. Just keep what goes on in your bedroom and private life…….PRIVATE……..like the rest of us. No latent homo desires here because I believe that dicks are for chicks.
“Sorry, but where I come from we consider comments like this ugly and mean. And we think it’s fine if a Boy Scout happens to be same-sex attracted. And we feel obligated to point out that bigotry is not nice.”
But you do believe in and support free speech right? You’re right, bigotry is not nice. War is not nice. Being financially raped by our govt and bankers is not nice. Having our Liberties stolen from us is not nice. People forcing their sexual perversions on others is not nice either. What’s your point?
Tell ya what……….right above every post I make it says “IndenturedServant”. Don’t like what I have to say? Feel free to skip it and move on.
No conversion here EC. I came here fully formed. Admins Eastwood series and others helped fill in a few blanks with respect to the economics of collapse. That it needed to collapse was a forgone conclusion. The comments, diversity of opinion and freedom of speech among the comments sealed the deal for me and TBP became home after lurking for a year or more. My views on the military did change a bit. Having been born on an AF base and living my entire life up to age 29 on bases all over the world, I had a more forgiving view with regards to the military but I could not for the life of me see why we need to be involved in so many wars. TBP helped with that too. I learn all manner of things here but most of my basic premises about life are only reenforced and given substance here. I really appreciate TE’s posts about alternatives to big pharma healthcare. I appreciate her stuff as much as I appreciate admins posts.
Another fond memory.
The neighborhood I grew up in had alleys running down the middle of the blocks with former carriage barns turned into garages and/or storage. On the other side of “our” alley was the rectory that had a double lot with a rose garden and statues of the Virgin Mother sprinkled about. Across the street from the rectory was the Catholic church, convent and the school we all attended.
That particular summer bats had been a real problem. These were Victorian homes w/ tall ceilings and the only “known” way to get a bat out included the use of tennis rackets. The removal of a bat was quite a scene and there were times the whole neighborhood got involved.
We kids decided it was appropriate to explore the upper stories of the carriage houses, find the bat droppings, look up to find the bat hanging there and attempt to kill them with these 1950’s tennis rackets that seemed to be quite common.
[We were in the city limits and none of us had guns – sorry – ancient tennis rackets were the best we could do]
One summer day we whacked a bat out into the alley from the hay door and someone had the bright idea to cremate the dead thing. Gasoline was procured and the dead bat was addressed.
The un-dead bat took off, lit up like a Vegas show, and flew into the priest’s garden, taking a nose dive directly into one of the Virgin Mothers. You have never seen a dozen kids run faster – convinced we were all going to hell.
As an aside – my kids were always a bit more “free range” than everyone else’s in the ‘hood and I caught some flak for that – looking back I wish I had home schooled. I didn’t know the damage I was inflicting by sending them to government school.
“I’m not the slightest bit homophobic.”-IS
You’re not? In the very same post right above this you remark:
” They aren’t the flaming variety, prancing around and insisting that you acknowledge, understand and accept their perversions ”
Identifying Homosexuality as Perversion is the essence of Homophobia. Homosexuals don’t think this is “perverted”, and they don’t like being ostracized as being perverted.
Far as the Boy Scouts comment is concerned, the problem here is the confusion between Pedophilia and Homosexuality. The implication is that Scoutmasters are recruiting Boy Scouts into the ranks.
For as long as the Boy Scouts have existed, there have always been some homosexual males participating in the organization, and there always will be. They represent something like 10% of the total population, more if you include people who self-identify as bisexual.
The main issue is you do not cross the 18 Threshold, but that is true for Heterosexuals also.
RE
“Identifying Homosexuality as Perversion is the essence of Homophobia.” —- RE
Bullshit.
pervert — [pər vʉrt′; for n. pʉr′vʉrt′], noun … The definition of a pervert is a person with abnormal sexual behavior. —————- http://www.yourdictionary.com/pervert
Is the norm in human society to Pack Fudge? Well, is it?? No. Therefore, what homos engage in, by definition, is a perversion.
And don’t even give me any crap about what is “normal”. Someone said, “I may not know how to define pornography, but I know it when I see it.”
I’ll tell you what I HATE HATE HATE when it comes to discussion about homos, or other perversions. And that is the MOMENT one gives their opinion that one doesn’t like or approve of that behavior, along comes the other and screams “HOMOPHOBE!!!” This is a Royal Crock Of Shittery, and you also are guilty of it.
Why would I, Stucky, God Of Thunder, 6’7″ and 275 pounds of both fat (good for absorbing punches) and muscle (good for giving punches) be afraid of some Fudge Packers?? Gimme a damn break. I think it’s a rather disgusting act … so what, why should you or anyone care about that opinion …. and why the fuck can’t it be left at that??!!
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“Homosexuals don’t think this is “perverted”” ——— RE
That’s retarded. Necrophiliacs don’t consider fucking dead bodies abnormal either. Surely, you do. That one who engages in perverted acts doesn’t consider them perverted acts …. oooh, ahhh, what a surprise in circular logic!
What is “outside the norm of human sexual behavior”? How about Oral Sex? Not everybody does that, hetero or homo. You gotta just do it Missionary to be normal?
Necrophiliacs are an insignificantly tiny percentage of the population, I think you can fairly say that is outside the norm.
Greater than 10% of people engaging in oral and anal sex seems well within the norm to me. Females have anal sex sometimes, is that also off limits?
RE
RE, homophobia is a fear or prejudice against homosexuals. I’m not afraid of them or prejudiced against them. My issue is their constant need to force everyone else to accept what is a private fucking matter. James can smoke all the pole he wants as long as it is consensual and the rest of the world isn’t forced to hear about it. I could care less what they do in private.
As far as scouting goes I don’t think the issue is “confusion” between pedophilia and homosexuality but I will concede that fear plays a part. A bigger part is one of God and Christian based values being part of the founding principles of scouting. The scout oath even mentions God by name referring to duty to God. Does the bible mention something about men not laying with other men?
Where the fuck do homos get off forcing their acceptance and inclusion in an organization founded on Christian principles? Let them form their own fucking scouting groups based on their beliefs. But oh no, good, happy decent people with a successful going concern are expected, nay forced, to set aside their beliefs an accommodate whatever the all inclusive liberals care to force on them. What’s next? Jihadi kids with IED making merit badges?
Gays in the scouts is just another example of liberal progressive douchebags destroying everything they take a mind to.
“Where the fuck do homos get off forcing their acceptance and inclusion in an organization founded on Christian principles?”-IS
This would be valid if the Scouts only accepted Christian Scouts, except there are plenty of Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist Boy Scouts out there too. It’s not a Christian organization, it is secular.
I think the Muslims frown on Homosexuality even more than Christians, but Jews and Buddhists seem more tolerant of this.
Far as Native American cultures go, Homosexuals were respected as being of “Two Spirits”.
“Native Americans have often held intersex, androgynous people, feminine males and masculine females in high respect. The most common term to define such persons today is to refer to them as “two-spirit” people, but in the past feminine males were sometimes referred to as “berdache” by early French explorers in North America, who adapted a Persian word “bardaj”, meaning an intimate male friend. Because these androgynous males were commonly married to a masculine man, or had sex with men, and the masculine females had feminine women as wives, the term berdache had a clear homosexual connotation. Both the Spanish settlers in Latin America and the English colonists in North America condemned them as “sodomites”.
We-Wa, a Zuni Two Spirit.Rather than emphasising the homosexuality of these persons, however, many Native Americans focused on their spiritual gifts. American Indian traditionalists, even today, tend to see a person’s basic character as a reflection of their spirit. Since everything that exists is thought to come from the spirit world, androgynous or transgender persons are seen as doubly blessed, having both the spirit of a man and the spirit of a woman. Thus, they are honoured for having two spirits, and are seen as more spiritually gifted than the typical masculine male or feminine female.”
http://www.firstpeople.us/articles/the-two-spirit-people-of-indigenous-north-americans.html
RE
I absolutely KNEW you would counter with the what-is-normal crapola … even though I asked you not to do so ….. meaning, for fucks sake, find a better argument.
That 10% of all men are Fudge Packers has been going around for decades. I think the homos came up with that to justify their perversion. Really, I do. It’s one of those lies if repeated often enough becomes an unquestioned fact.
I can think of 20 men I know … father, sons, in-laws, other relatives and friends … and I know for damn sure that two of them are NOT Fudge Packers.
There are 151 million males in America. If you want to believe that 15 MILLION travel the Hershey Highway … well, have at it. Whatever floats your boat.
In my eyes, it’s a perversion. I don’t give a rats ass who is offended by that. And I am done with this conversation. Time to go to bed ……… with a WOMAN.
As usual RE has a slight problem with numbers.
Health survey gives government its first large-scale data on gay, bisexual population
According to a CDC survery, less than 3 percent of the population identified themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual. (Carlo Allegri/Reuters)
By Sandhya Somashekhar July 15
Less than 3 percent of the U.S. population identify themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Tuesday in the first large-scale government survey measuring Americans’ sexual orientation.
The National Health Interview Survey, which is the government’s premier tool for annually assessing Americans’ health and behaviors, found that 1.6 percent of adults self-identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent consider themselves bisexual.
The overwhelming majority of adults, 96.6 percent, labeled themselves as straight in the 2013 survey. An additional 1.1 percent declined to answer, responded “I don’t know the answer” or said they were “something else.”
The figures offered a slightly smaller assessment of the size of the gay, lesbian and bisexual population than other surveys, which have pegged the overall proportion at closer to 3.5 or 4 percent. In particular, the estimate for bisexuals was lower than in some other surveys.
The inclusion of the sexual-orientation question in an influential survey used to guide government funding and research decisions was viewed as a major victory for the gay community, which has struggled with a dearth of data about its special health needs.
“Far as Native American cultures go, Homosexuals were respected as being of “Two Spirits”.
———- RE
That explains a lot about Llpoh, aka Chief Two Spirits.
The 10% figure comes from the Kinsey Report, circa 1948. Kinsey was not a fudge packer far as I know. However, the figure is disputed wildly, and it all depends how you define it.
Another thing you have to consider is circumstances. For instance, many men who are heterosexual outside prison or outside the Navy, once trapped with all other men in an environment turn to homosexuality. Do these folks count as homosexuals or not?
All of this is culturally instilled behavior, it’s pretty ubiquitous through time and many cultures so I don’t see how you can define it as outside the norm of human behavior.
RE
Stuckey, your posts are usually interesting and thought provoking. Now you must stop posting because you won’t top this one . You really struck a nerve with this one. GREAT!
The 10% gay figure is bullshit – the actual figure is more like two or three percent. The homos love to use ten percent as it makes them seem more like a large minority group than like aberrations to the norm. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Stuck – my two spirits are scotch and blue agave Padron.
Patron. Whatever.
I don’t care if a guy sucks a dick or takes it up the ass once in a while. Just don’t be a fag about it.
RE said:
“This would be valid if the Scouts only accepted Christian Scouts, except there are plenty of Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist Boy Scouts out there too. It’s not a Christian organization, it is secular.”
Considering that the scouts do not accept atheists or agnostics I don’t think they can be considered secular.
Some awesome comments!
Stucky, IS, Llpoh.. well done! Really!
About the most insipid comment so far – and you knew it was coming sooner or later – was the “such and such thinks that severe dislike of homosexuals is merely hiding latent homosexual tendencies…”
In other words, if you detest faggotry, you must be one…
No idea who thought that shit up, but it has to be the biggest fucking lie I’ve ever heard… and it shows up in every single conversation about faggotry, buggery or sodomy… EVERY TIME!!
I mean, really… how can you even come up with “logic” like that? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and is completely unprovable…
As far as the “bisexual” pervs… thanks for spoiling the party, assholes!!
AIDS was a faggot-exclusive disease. Then the “bisexual” dipshits brought it into the hetero population, sure as AIDS was brought into the human population by some über-perv nigger in Africa ass-raping a monkey…
You fuckers spoiled the fun… could have just left it alone, but ya didn’t… didja?
Thanks… really… ya stupid fucksticks…
Please let us be more tolerant on this site. Homosexuals should be able to have an organization that affords them an opportunity to recruit your sons into the joys and fulfillment of homosexuality. Every boy needs the chance to go to the woods for a weekend with an adult mentor. (Sarcasm Off)
Admin, I was going to suggest shutting down comments on this thread to keep Stuckeys head from swelling to much. Let it swell it is getting interesting.
OTC
Funny stuff …. but I never become overly proud of anything I write. Quite the opposite. I am very humbled when I write something that resonates with folks. And that’s because I know where I came from.
English class was BY FAR, for some reason, my toughest class in both grade school and high school … I barely passed, with a “D” being the norm. I couldn’t write a coherent paragraph for the longest damn time … you have no idea. Things finally started “clicking” while I was in the Air Force. I started taking “remote” writing classes (classes from various universities via …. snail mail), and started reading, believe it or not, the dictionary … with the goal of learning a minimum of 10 new words a day. Did that for years.
And 30+ years later, here I am. It was a long struggle, and I’m still a work-in-progress. For example, I’m quite envious (in a good way) of how Hardscrabble writes so poetically, and how Admin can take huge amounts of what can be boring economic data and make it simple and interesting …. and, while I know I may never achieve such proficiency, these are enjoyable things to strive towards.
I have denigrated homos before, Stuck but I meant no harm. With regards homos, it’s your thinking that convicts you, I have read: if a man does wrong thinking he’s right, then he’s right but if a man does right thinking he’s wrong, then he’s wrong. Funny, huh? Otherwise, we are no better than Muslim fanatics.
In matters of conscience, the soul must be left untrammeled. No one is to control another’s mind, to judge for another or to prescribe his duty. God gives every soul freedom to think and to follow his own convictions. Every one of us shall give account of himself to God. No one has a right to merge his own individuality in that of another. Romans 14:12 let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Remember back before Ipwnd ,hipsters and feminism , when boys still had nut-sacks to crush on bicycle bars?
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“I think it’s a rather disgusting act … so what, why should you or anyone care about that opinion …. and why the fuck can’t it be left at that??!!”
You’re focussing an awful lot on sex. The fact is that homophobic and heterosexist people — members of a dominating, pushy majority — invented “homosexuality” to designate what guys like me are supposed to be: “homosexuals”. But those who love people of the same sex engage in sex acts about, what, .005 % of the time they are together with the ones they love — just like so-called “straight” people (which are just as badly misnamed “heterosexuals”).
You should also know that not all gay men (to use the ever popular term, “gay”) engage in anal sex. Many do not, and it looks plain silly when you heap contempt upon them for doing something you find disgusting which in fact they do not do.
But the main point that needs to be made is that when you — or anyone — makes homophopic OR (OR!) heterosexist remarks you encourage and support a homophobic OR heterosexist culture, which amounts to encouraging gay and bi men, boys….(or people, more generally) either to stay in the closet or otherwise live with fear and shame regarding something which they naturally ARE. This is the part you don’t get. If you got an education, you’d understand that nothing could be more natural and normal for a gay or bi guy than to be gay or bi. (Same with same-sex attracted women.)
When you encourage people to believe that the Boy Scouts was better off before there were “out” gay boys in the troops, you’re encouraging abusive treatment of gay / bi boys. You’re encouraging them to be either afraid or ashamed of what they ARE — gay/bi boys. And that’s morally indecent and mean. It’s clear that you don’t mind them being gay or bi, so long as they don’t let anyone KNOW they are gay or bi — but how do you expect them to have BOYFRIENDS? Or life partners? Or lovers? IN SECRET?! You want them to hide in the shadows, lie about themselves….? What affect do you think such hiding has on their hearts, minds, souls? Their persons?
How about a little compassion and kindness toward gay and bi people, instead? Why not welcome them into the fold of humanity?
We appear, as best as anyone can know, to be born as we are. You want to call what we are naturally a “perversion,” but this is just plain ignorance of the fact that we simply ARE as we are, whether because of genetics or whatever.
Just be kind. It’s not that hard. Um, rather, difficiult.
overthecliff says:
” …. Homosexuals should be able to have an organization that affords them an opportunity to recruit your sons into the joys and fulfillment of homosexuality.”
None of us are recruited. Nobody CAN be recruited. Either we swing that way from the beginning or we don’t. Gay / bi guys are not made, we are born.
IndenturedServant says:
“RE, homophobia is a fear or prejudice against homosexuals. I’m not afraid of them or prejudiced against them. My issue is their constant need to force everyone else to accept what is a private fucking matter. James can smoke all the pole he wants as long as it is consensual and the rest of the world isn’t forced to hear about it. I could care less what they do in private.”
The discussion began in relation to a comment concerning whether gay boys–that is, openly gay boys– should be allowed in the Boy Scouts. People who side that they should not would, I imagine, like gay men also to be kept out of the military, out of teaching roles in schools, and generally out of public or social life altogether. It’s called ostracism, and it’s one of the meanest, cruelest things human beings do with one another.
“Forced to hear about it” — Really? So if we’re hanging out together and you mention that you have a girl friend, or wife, are you FORCING me to “hear about it”? Who exactly is forcing what? If I tell you in the flow of a conversation that I happen to have a guy partner, am I forcing something on you? What?
The hetersosexists in this thread want us to go back into the closet, apparenly. How’d you like to try an live your life in a closet? You might find it a little stuffy in there. Not much air to breathe.
Okay, time to toss in my two farthings.
Im not gay but its always a wonder to me when a person fascinates, good or bad, about the sexual acts and positiions, instead of if these people actually care about one another.
I see my neighbor, and his wife, but never have I wondered what sexual position they take. And the same goes for gays…I just don’t worry about it. It’s not my life or my business no matter WHO it is.
We don’t, well most of us, dont marry for sex but for a deep caring.
And while I am at it, every person, gay, lesbian, hetero, bi…whatever tightens your tutu or drops your boxers, comes from heterosexual sex.
BTW James, are you related to Stephanie Shepard?
“BTW James, are you related to Stephanie Shepard?”
No. My name really is James, but the Mattew Shepard part isn’t my real name. I used his name in order to try and make a point. Now that the point has been made, I’ll return to calling myself just James.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard
The hetersosexists in this thread want us to go back into the closet, apparenly. How’d you like to try an live your life in a closet? -James
Stucky is not a homophobe, in fact I remember one article he wrote, meeting a famous , and yes gay, jazz player, and having a great time with his wife with said musician, over dinner. Maybe he will repost it.
Now that the point has been made, I’ll return to calling myself just James. -James
Okay.
Kill Bill
The famous jazz player was Earl Klugh …. he is not gay, he was there with his wife. He was there merely for the gay wedding, as was I.
I am not anti-gay … although it is a frequent accusation. There is NOTHING here that I wouldn’t, or haven’t, said to Ms. Freud’s gay friends. And guess what … they respect me for it. They aren’t the type of gay folks who are OFFENDED constantly and at everything.
Here is my post about the gay wedding experience —
James – life is a bitch. There are all kinds of evil mofos out there. How about these fine homosexual fellows:
Jeffrey Dahmer
Andrew Cunanan
Randy Steven Kraft
Michael Swango
John Wayne Gacy
Patrick Wayne Kearney
David D. Hill
Wayne Williams
Dean Corll
Etc. etc. etc.
The list of homosexual serial killers is very, very long. Wonder why that is? Most of the world’s top serial killers were gay. Interesting fact, no?
The famous jazz player was Earl Klugh …. he is not gay, he was there with his wife. He was there merely for the gay wedding, as was I. -Stucky
I stand corrected.
Shit, Mosquitos have killed more humans than any nut-job.
http://911review.org/Alex/Republican_Pedophiles.html
http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/2008/09/top-10-democrat-sex-scandals-in.html
These people I am concerned about.
Ummh, Gacy was married, twice.
David and Jonathan loved each other greatly, I never think of them getting freaky, I don’t think of anyone getting their freak on. It’s called privacy.
Gacy was queer as a three dollar bill.
” “He was a homophobic homosexual,” says Sam L. Amirante of John Wayne Gacy, the infamous murderer he defended in court “
you forgot string can phones, can stilts, sixth finger (how’d I ever get along with just five?) slinky, slingshots, german cross pendants, surfer versus greaser, trolls, man from U.N.C.L.E. trenchcoats
James, these guys panic at the sight of women breastfeeding in public. They have a thousand pet names for their dick but most of them are afraid to hold Captain Howdy at the urinal. It would terrify them to handle another dude’s Polish sausage. You stand a better chance of radicalizing them to fight for ISIS.
Actually, I was a free sprit because parental oversight was at a minimum. Not sure how I managed to not kill myself regardless of some stupid chances, but I did survive. However, from my experiences, it was very appropriate to watch my kids like a hawk.
” “He was a homophobic homosexual,” says Sam
OK, how does that even work?
I guess it kinda didn’t.
Hey You.
Buck up.
llpoh….I have nothing to say, kindly.
=)
Wasn’t J. Edgar a homophobic homo?
“The list of homosexual serial killers is very, very long. Wonder why that is? Most of the world’s top serial killers were gay. Interesting fact, no?”
Fact? I doubt that very much.
You’re obviously trying to stir up hate in a similar way as Adolf Hitler did. It’s called demonizing.
Related concepts and terms are:
Dehumanization
Delegitimization
Idealization and devaluation
Religious paranoia
Scapegoating
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonization