I recently did some research on my families involvement in the Civil War . I was surprised that the folks in my area were getting ready for war months prior to the actual start . A group in Orangeburg,S.C. mandated that every man have a firearm for his use . Failure to do so would result in a fine .
Stucky
February 9, 2015 12:59 pm
Just love that man.
Where did he talk about secession?
Intellectually disagree with him at the 19 minute mark — “We can change the human condition where we talk about peace.” I use 5,000 years of human history and claim that here is no no historical basis for that. It is a nice HOPE though.
He mentions the trumpet song “Lili Marlene”, played by the soldier …. my mom used to sing that ALL the time, in happier days gone by.
Marlene Dietrich made the song famous …. the single biggest song during the entirety of World War II. She fled Germany in 1930, and recorded the song in 1939. She was not the original singer of the song. The song is a love ballad inspired by a wartime romance, and was written in 1915.
Stuck, I really enjoy hearing the German language spoken .I don’t understand a word spoke, but I am of the opinion that the guttural inflections of the language is better sutied to something more martial more so than love songs.
e.g.
About that right to secession argument .Only state sponsored liar or damn imbecile could ague against the CSA’s right to secede…and the right of any State to separate from the Union still stands..whether it will ever be attempted again remains to be seen, nevertheless the right is solid today as it was in 1861.
Thus, once more, we are back to the same verdict: the states must have the right to secession, for this right to freedom of association is the most fundamental of all rights: without it, there are no others.
Marriot insists that the Southern states sought to secede from the Union for the most “heinous” of reasons: Southerners wanted to preserve the institution of slavery. Setting aside the plethora of challenges facing this incorrigibly reductionistic account of what must be the most complex issue in the life of our nation, we are nevertheless left asking: And so what?
Clearly, those, like Marriot, who repeatedly reduce the tangle of reasons that Southerners supplied for seceding to a villainous desire to oppress blacks mean to suggest that this was an illegitimate ground for secession. But if states, or, more appropriately, the people within those states, must justify themselves to others beyond their borders before they can be said to have the authority to secede, then this is the test that they must pass before they can be said to possess the authority to do anything else.
Once more, this means that borders are mere lines on a map and there are no states.
There is, however, another difficulty with the tireless invocation of slavery for which the Marriots of the world are known.
If neither the Southern states nor any states had a right of secession, as Marriot, like most of those invested in “getting Lincoln right,” steadfastly maintain, then whether the reasons for wanting to secede are “heinous” or angelic, evil or noble, are utterly irrelevant. Whether secessionists are motivated by a shared desire to oppress others or an equally aching desire to escape the oppression of a tyrannical national government, the object of their desire is an illegality: they have no right to secede.
A philosophical analysis of the concepts of “state,” “individual rights,” and such concomitant ideas as “sovereignty” and a “federal government,” establishes that those living within the Southern states, like those living within any state, must always retain a right to secession, the freedom to associate with or dissociate from others. This is the thesis for which I’ve argued.
In other words, whether Marriot is right and the Founders never countenanced, even in theory, a state’s right to secede from the Union—a claim, frankly, that I find patently absurd on its face—the erection of free and independent states to which the War of Independence gave rise necessarily implies the right of secession.
bb
February 9, 2015 5:33 pm
A good reason for secession is when you find out most of what you been told all your life were damn lies or when you find out you have been enslaved all your life without knowing it.I read this interview a fewyears ago .If even half of what this guy says is true then the time for secession was 40 years ago.
Harold Rosenthal :The Hidden Tyranny….. The interview is long .It takes a while to read it but it is an eye opener.He is Jewish and a Zionist.It good because he really hates people.
I recently did some research on my families involvement in the Civil War . I was surprised that the folks in my area were getting ready for war months prior to the actual start . A group in Orangeburg,S.C. mandated that every man have a firearm for his use . Failure to do so would result in a fine .
Just love that man.
Where did he talk about secession?
Intellectually disagree with him at the 19 minute mark — “We can change the human condition where we talk about peace.” I use 5,000 years of human history and claim that here is no no historical basis for that. It is a nice HOPE though.
He mentions the trumpet song “Lili Marlene”, played by the soldier …. my mom used to sing that ALL the time, in happier days gone by.
Marlene Dietrich made the song famous …. the single biggest song during the entirety of World War II. She fled Germany in 1930, and recorded the song in 1939. She was not the original singer of the song. The song is a love ballad inspired by a wartime romance, and was written in 1915.
If by some motherfuckin miracle you actually want to know more about the song, go to wiki, here —– http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lili_Marleen
Here’s the song, sung my Marlene — one of the sexiest voices ever — and English subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cF9j815xrI&feature=player_detailpage
Stuck, I really enjoy hearing the German language spoken .I don’t understand a word spoke, but I am of the opinion that the guttural inflections of the language is better sutied to something more martial more so than love songs.
e.g.
About that right to secession argument .Only state sponsored liar or damn imbecile could ague against the CSA’s right to secede…and the right of any State to separate from the Union still stands..whether it will ever be attempted again remains to be seen, nevertheless the right is solid today as it was in 1861.
Good read here:
Thus, once more, we are back to the same verdict: the states must have the right to secession, for this right to freedom of association is the most fundamental of all rights: without it, there are no others.
Marriot insists that the Southern states sought to secede from the Union for the most “heinous” of reasons: Southerners wanted to preserve the institution of slavery. Setting aside the plethora of challenges facing this incorrigibly reductionistic account of what must be the most complex issue in the life of our nation, we are nevertheless left asking: And so what?
Clearly, those, like Marriot, who repeatedly reduce the tangle of reasons that Southerners supplied for seceding to a villainous desire to oppress blacks mean to suggest that this was an illegitimate ground for secession. But if states, or, more appropriately, the people within those states, must justify themselves to others beyond their borders before they can be said to have the authority to secede, then this is the test that they must pass before they can be said to possess the authority to do anything else.
Once more, this means that borders are mere lines on a map and there are no states.
There is, however, another difficulty with the tireless invocation of slavery for which the Marriots of the world are known.
If neither the Southern states nor any states had a right of secession, as Marriot, like most of those invested in “getting Lincoln right,” steadfastly maintain, then whether the reasons for wanting to secede are “heinous” or angelic, evil or noble, are utterly irrelevant. Whether secessionists are motivated by a shared desire to oppress others or an equally aching desire to escape the oppression of a tyrannical national government, the object of their desire is an illegality: they have no right to secede.
A philosophical analysis of the concepts of “state,” “individual rights,” and such concomitant ideas as “sovereignty” and a “federal government,” establishes that those living within the Southern states, like those living within any state, must always retain a right to secession, the freedom to associate with or dissociate from others. This is the thesis for which I’ve argued.
In other words, whether Marriot is right and the Founders never countenanced, even in theory, a state’s right to secede from the Union—a claim, frankly, that I find patently absurd on its face—the erection of free and independent states to which the War of Independence gave rise necessarily implies the right of secession.
A good reason for secession is when you find out most of what you been told all your life were damn lies or when you find out you have been enslaved all your life without knowing it.I read this interview a fewyears ago .If even half of what this guy says is true then the time for secession was 40 years ago.
Harold Rosenthal :The Hidden Tyranny….. The interview is long .It takes a while to read it but it is an eye opener.He is Jewish and a Zionist.It good because he really hates people.