Dear Harry Dent: Wanna Bet?

Dear Harry Dent: Wanna Bet?

By Jeff Clark, Senior Precious Metals Analyst

Some of you may be aware that investment guru Harry Dent has publicly stated that gold will fall to $250-$400. He specifically predicted:

Around $700/ounce is a certainty in gold by 2015 to 2016, and $250 is a possibility well down the line by 2020–2023.

His forecast is largely based on his belief that deflation will prevail.

Governments are fighting deflation. If government stimulus fails, we will have deflation, not inflation.

And he claims that gold bugs are wrong about gold’s future price because they don’t understand how markets work.

Central bank stimulus has created a whole new set of financial asset bubbles that will have to burst. That is its consequences, not rising inflation that most gold bugs (who do understand the financial and debt crisis) warn about.

As a gold analyst who’s spent every day of the last seven-plus years watching this market, I can’t let this pass. I’m sure gold will not fall to $700, much less $250-$400—not in real terms (who knows if the US dollar will even exist in 2020?… Or maybe there will be new dollars with several zeros cut off).

Is this just because I’m a stubborn gold bug? No, because I agree that we’re seeing some deflation, too. But I definitely think some type of crisis is headed our way, and gold does well in crises—even deflationary ones.

Is it perhaps because I don’t like Mr. Dent? Not at all—at my suggestion, he was a speaker at one of our Summits.

Quite simply, I think Harry Dent is resoundingly wrong. And I’m so sure he’s wrong that this is a public invitation to him to enter a wager with me and put his money where his mouth is, which I’ll detail momentarily.

Why Harry Dent Is Wrong

There are a number of reasons why I think Mr. Dent will be wrong about the future gold price…

1. Deflation does not guarantee lower gold. It’s true that some significant deflationary forces have developed. Check out what’s occurred since early November.

  • The 10-year Treasury fell to a paltry 1.7% yield.
  • The oil price dropped to $50.
  • January retail sales recorded the worst back-to-back decline since October 2009.
  • Commodity indexes have fallen by over a third.
  • The Baltic Dry Index, generally regarded as the best known global shipping index, is now at its lowest level ever.
  • According to the Financial Times, there is now $3.6 trillion of government debt around the world with negative interest rates. Two-year government bonds are negative in Germany, Finland, Austria, Denmark, France, Holland, Belgium, Slovakia, Sweden, and Japan.

These are all serious deflationary trends. But what has gold done during that period? It is up 7.5%.

Even gold’s negative correlation with the dollar has bucked its trend.

This dollar/gold relationship has broken down other times, too. According to the Wall Street Journal:

  • From January 11 to June 10, 2010, the DXY (US Dollar Index) rose almost 16%—but gold climbed nearly 12%.
  • Since the turn of the century, gold and the DXY index have both finished higher year over year five times—in 2001, 2005, 2008, 2010, and 2011.

So why has gold risen during some of the most ominous deflationary trends we’ve seen in a long time?

Because what has been supportive for the dollar has also been good for gold.

In other words, gold is not just about inflation vs. deflation. Nor is it about the USD vs. the euro or even supply vs. demand. It’s about fear and chaos vs. confidence and stability.

Here are some recent examples of people buying gold for reasons other than inflation:

  • Greek demand for gold coins from the UK Royal Mint has risen as a result of the country’s political and financial turmoil. They’re buying because, as Matthew Turner of Macquarie Bank put it, “The one thing everyone knows about gold is it is a good thing to hold if your currency is about to devalue.”
  • After the Swiss central bank introduced a 0.75% negative interest rate on some deposits last month, investors bought more gold in lieu of holding Swiss franc cash deposits, according Vontobel Holding AG, a Swiss bank and wealth manager. “We keep noticing that gold is coming back into favor with investors,” said CEO Zeno Staub.
  • Other European countries have seen a spike in gold demand due to the massive QE effort undertaken by the ECB and the anti-bailout party winning in Greece. German coin dealer Degussa reported a 35% year-on-year increase in gold coin sales in January. The Austrian Mint said sales of Vienna Philharmonic gold coins rose 6% last month.

So the investor who’s convinced deflation is coming shouldn’t overlook the fact that other factors can lead investors to buy gold. Keep in mind that most true deflations cause a crisis—or are caused by a crisis—and for thousands of years, crises have pushed people into gold.

Consider how gold has performed during high periods of crisis and fear as measured by the VIX.

During these eight periods of high systemic risk, gold rose every time but one—and stock markets fell in all of them. This doesn’t mean the price couldn’t decline in the initial phases of a crisis, but it does show that gold is strong when fear is high.

2. True deflation will lead to higher inflation.

If we do get massive deflation, it will actually spur greater inflation.

Why? Here’s a hint…

An emergency meeting was held just last week regarding the solvency of the Disability Trust Fund. The problem is that benefits have exceeded tax receipts for several years now, and the shortfall has reached roughly 35%. The government itself has said the fund will officially go bankrupt next year.

It’s not the only one.

Projected Government Bankruptcies
Highway Trust Fund 2016
Disability Trust Fund 2016
Pension Benefit Corp 2024
Hospital Insurance 2030
Old Age Insurance 2034

 

And did you know that Social Security took in $752 billion in 2013, but paid out $822 billion in benefits? It and Medicare are clearly on an unsustainable path, too.

 

Yes, this is all deflationary. But here’s the question: how will the Fed and politicians respond? They might reduce or delay benefits and raise taxes, but those are politically costly moves, and some officials have already publicly stated that they will print what they don’t collect in revenue.

Printing money is extremely inflationary, especially when you’ve already more than tripled the monetary base since 2008. Frankly, doing more of the same scares me, because someday all this monetary dilution will come home to roost. We face the very real possibility that the US currency will not just be damaged; it could be destroyed.

History is very clear on this point: currency crises lead to flights to gold.

But if Deflation Wins First…

But what happens to gold if we first go through a deflationary bust?

There aren’t a lot of modern-day examples of deflation. The Consumer Price Index (CPI), as faulty as it may be, has registered only four declines since 2000, and all were short-lived. The CPI fell:

  • August to October, 2006;
  • July to December, 2008;
  • March and April, 2009; and
  • December, 2014.

That’s it. You can find other fleeting periods further back, but nothing long enough to draw any strong conclusions.

The only example we have of true deflation is the Great Depression. You’ll recall that the United States was on a gold standard at the time.

But there’s still a lesson to be learned.

First, on April 5, 1933, President Roosevelt issued an executive order forcing delivery (confiscation) of gold owned by private citizens to the government in exchange for compensation at the fixed price of $20.67/oz. Less than nine months later, he raised the gold price to $35, effectively diluting the dollar in every wallet 41% overnight and swindling everyone who had turned in gold. So even in the midst of one of the biggest deflations the world has ever seen, the US government raised the gold price.

Second, the only way citizens could effectively own gold after Roosevelt’s confiscation was to buy gold stocks. How did they perform? Well, when the stock market crashed in 1929, gold stocks were part of the general wreckage. The market then rallied and recovered almost 50% of its losses by April 1930, with gold shares again tagging along. It’s what happened next that gives us another clue about gold and deflation…

When the bear market resumed in the summer of 1930, all securities sold off again—except gold stocks. Gold shares stayed basically flat until early 1931, when their appeal to the masses kicked into high gear.

Look at how shares of Homestake Mining, the largest gold miner in the US at the time, and Dome Mines, Canada’s senior producer, performed during the Great Depression.

Company Stock
Price
1929
Stock
Price
1933
Total
Gain*
Homestake Mining $65 $373 474%
Dome Mines $6 $39.50 558%
*Returns exclude dividends

 

During a period of soup lines, crashing stock markets, and falling standards of living, investors fled to the only gold with liquidity they could own at the time.

 

Gold’s status as a safe-haven asset during one of the greatest times of economic distress was demonstrated clearly by investors buying the stocks. So while we don’t know exactly what an untethered gold price would have done during the Depression, history says it will retain its purchasing power in a deflationary setting regardless of its nominal price. In other words, while the price of gold might not rise or could even fall, it would still provide monetary protection against an unstable economic environment, especially when you consider that most other assets would be in decline.

All this said, the overriding concern is that in a fiat system—like the one the entire globe uses today—any deflation will be met with an inflationary overreaction by central bankers. And the worse the deflation, the more extreme the overreaction will be. As we’ve pointed out before, inflation will win in the end because it always gets another turn.

Think about it: for central banks to be “successful” with their measures, the end result must be inflation. Someday soon they’ll get what they want. And when it shows up, the delayed effects of all the money created to that date will start to take hold, meaning there won’t be “just a little” inflation. Gold will soar in that environment, not fall.

Of course, it doesn’t have to be an either/or thing. We can have both inflation and deflation, AKA stagflation, like we had in the late 1970s/early 1980s. That’s still good for gold.

3. Gold is already at its cost of production.

Another reason I’m sure Mr. Dent will be wrong is that $700 is about $400 below the current global average cost of gold production. Even at $1,100 gold, roughly half of the primary gold producers lose money.

The reason is because the World Gold Council’s all-in sustaining cost metric excludes taxes and interest payments (among other items). Adding those in pushes many companies into the red when gold averages $1,100.

A $700 gold price would be 36% below the current cost of production. That (much less a $250 or $400 price) would kill the industry. But the sector won’t shut down, because the world needs and wants gold.

The Bottom Line

The basis of my argument is that there is no free lunch from the free-for-all actions central bankers have engaged in since 2008. Inevitably, the future purchasing power of our fiat money will be impacted. I thus think some kind of currency crisis hits in the future, perhaps sooner than skeptics like Harry Dent can imagine.

There are many examples of what happens to gold during a currency crisis. Last year provided another glaring example. Russia’s inflation rate was 11.4% in 2014, and the ruble fell a staggering 46.5%—but gold in rubles rose 73%. In other words, Russians gained more with gold than they lost in ruble purchasing power.

This didn’t occur just in conflict-ridden Russia. The price of gold rose against all currencies in 2014—except the US dollar. Gold was up in the euro, Japanese yen, Swiss franc, Canadian dollar, British pound, Australian dollar, New Zealand dollar, Chinese renminbi, Indian rupee, Swedish krona, Brazilian real, Israeli shekel, and South Korean won.

As Eric Sprott put it, “Last year, 84% of the world’s population would have made money owning gold because of various currency moves—even though gold in US dollars was down approximately 1%.”

We should expect the same reaction with gold in our currency when the odoriferous effluvia hits the fan.

Gold is not really a commodity or even an investment; it is an alternate currency and a store of value. And if ever there was a period in history for it to be sought as a store of value, the next few years will be among the most acute. Both gold and the US dollar have been pursued during the recent times of distress—but the dollar as a “safe haven” is at high risk. It may rise further yet, but it’s far from healthy; the US is the largest debtor nation in the history of mankind.

There are more reasons—I’m sure you can think of others yourself—but let’s get to the wager.

The Bet

Mr. Dent, I will bet you an ounce of gold that the gold price never falls to US$700, including intraday, for even one second, within the next two years, based on Comex pricing. You stated in January 2014 that “$700 is a certainty by 2015 to 2016,” so I’m giving your forecast even longer to work than you originally projected.

We’ll each store a one-ounce gold Eagle with an independent third party, who will pay the two ounces to the winner the day the bet is concluded, which is two years from today, February 16, 2017. If gold touches US$700 at any point in that time frame, you win. If, however, gold never reaches $700, this lunatic gold bug who doesn’t understand how financial and debt crises works wins the bet and takes your ounce of gold.

I hope you’ll take me up on the bet, because that’s about the time my son will finish his PhD program, and an ounce of gold will make a nice graduation present for him. It will also reinforce the ideas he’s formed on his own about money, as well as the fact that his dad is a stud.

I do have to give you fair warning, though: I’m so confident that I’ve already identified a third party, and I will give you its mailing address once you shake my digital hand.

Mr. Dent, do you really think gold will fall to $700? A gold Eagle says you’re wrong.

I await your reply…

I’m not just going to win this bet, but I’ll win big with my equity investments, because gold stocks will deliver the leverage to gold that they have many times in the past, especially since they’ll rise from depressed levels. I plan to make a killing on some special situations—and I have one right now: a new recommendation in the current issue of BIG GOLD. It’s one that tripled my money in the last bull cycle and will do it again in the next one. Easy money will be made if you buy now, and our brand-new recommendation is available with a risk-free trial to BIG GOLD.

The article Dear Harry Dent: Wanna Bet? was originally published at caseyresearch.com.
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TC
TC
February 18, 2015 11:10 am

Good lord, I sure hope it goes to $250. Why? Because I’M NOT FUCKING SELLING at any price. If it goes that low, I’ll be backing up the proverbial truck. My kids can decide what they want to do with the gold once they inherit it…

Fiatman60
Fiatman60
February 18, 2015 12:13 pm

It’s amazing how Mr Dent and his ilk fail to see the bigger picture with regards to gold and fiat currencies. One only has to look at the global picture and realize they are outnumbered. Weather it be Chinese, Russian, Indian, or any other non western culture, GOLD is MONEY period. Gold is the ultimate extinguisher of debt. Fiat is not. If fiat was, we would not be into the trillions of dollars, as we are today, because people DO pay off their debts. After debt repayment, the fiat is still there in the system, floating around, gold is not…. it got transferred to the creditor. On the government side of finance, fiat is like a future loan from the taxpayer, a theft or confiscation of wealth if you will. Except in our present case the debt is so large, present day taxpayers are simply unable to service their own personal debt, and the government debt too. It confiscates the wealth of present and future generations, and that’s just plain wrong!

The author should up his game and go “all in” It’s a sure bet.

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 12:28 pm

Harry Dent is spot on. A deflationary crash brought on by a monumental crisis is at hand. Gold will revert to the mean as it always has, no, it won’t be different this time.

Can you spot the bubble in the chart?

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BUCKHED
BUCKHED
February 18, 2015 12:46 pm

So what if gold went to 250 bucks. It’ll still buy a heck of a lot more than fiat currency will when TSHTF . Besides you can burn a big ol’ pile of bucks to keep warm .

Gold along with items to barter may be the currency we all use for some time to come .

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 1:10 pm

Admin that’s the birth of the petrodollar, yes, I know that.

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 1:11 pm

What’s to say they won’t peg the price again.

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 1:27 pm

My point is, when the death of the petrodollar arrives, if Gold is relevant, the Government will revert back to price controls and may require it to be turned in. If that happens it would be impossible to use gold as a means of exchange, no one would trade with you.

Bottom line, the Government will always control whatever it calls money.

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 1:35 pm

Admin as I just posted they don’t even have to confiscate Gold just make it illegal to use in a transaction. A room full of coin would be difficult to put to work under such a scenerio.

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 1:49 pm

If we are down to a black market economy do you really think law and order will hold? The free shit army will rip the infrastructure apart, see Ferguson MO. I have thought this through and am well prepared for the worst case scenario.

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 1:56 pm

Jesus admin, I’ve live on a freaking small farm prepared to live without power. I have four horse for transportation and to pull a plow. I have a river literally in my back yard, fuck, I can put the whole show on the road in six hours and move if need be.

I damn sure don’t think things will be business as normal. I’ve spent a small fortune betting on complete collapse.

DRUD
DRUD
February 18, 2015 2:10 pm

Two things:

1) We always insist on measure gold (everything really) in terms of dollars. Why? Does this make any sense? It is like using a ruler made of silly puddy.

2) I’m a big fan of Dent’s. Things move in cycles and he does a great job of analyzing them. But for the type of deflationary bust he is predicting to actually happen, it would involve a systemic breakdown in the entire modern banking system. He proclaims the the coming deflationary bust will be unlike anything seen by the world since the 30s,. I agree and it fits in very well with the Fourth Turning. But, one cannot use details from 80 years ago as any kind of predictor for today’s world. Even confining ourselves to the world of banking, the industry is radically different. 80 years ago, both the first computer and the first credit card were DECADES away. Contrast that to now. Credit cards are particularly worrying to me. Instead of asking ourselves “What will the PRICE of gold/silver be when the deflationary bust hits?” we should be asking ourselves “What will the VALUE of gold/silver be when people cannot no longer use their little plastic rectangles to purchase goods and services?”

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 2:19 pm

Now the difference comes out. I believe complete collapse is highly probable. Why you might ask? If we ever stop feeding the 50million strong free shit Army they will tear the infrastructure apart. That’s why I believe the cops are up armoring, TPTB know it’s coming.

Was the Civil War a complete collapse? Yes it was, it took years to rebuild.
Was WW 2 a complete collapse? Yes it was in Europe, it took years to rebuild.

So fourth turnings bring total collapse. How can you say it’s highly unlikely?

DRUD
DRUD
February 18, 2015 2:24 pm

Admin, I must respectfully disagree about the NWO, for two reasons. First, as I stated in my post above, I think the banking industry is by far the most vulnerable of all the keystone industries of our incredibly complex society. I think we could see systemic failure there (it almost happened in 2008) that manifests is the rapid and uncontrolled collapse in credit. Almost overnight, people would be unable to purchase anything with credit cards, and businesses would be unable to get their JIT supplies on credit. Further centralization and consolidation of power (NWO) would be predicated on being able to maintain at least the premise of the system still working. If the store shelves start emptying people will create chaos beyond what can be controlled through martial law and propaganda. I think the system breaks beyond repair. The second reason is this: oligarchs, in general, have massive, massive egos, and in general don’t play well together. I have heard the .01% compared to a swarm of locusts, wantonly consuming everything in their path until all the food is gone. Once it is, they will turn on each other. I’m not certain of anything, and there will certainly be a massive, brutal government response (martial law, etc.) to the coming crash, but I bet that the Powers That Be will ultimately lose control; that chaos will win out.

DRUD
DRUD
February 18, 2015 2:34 pm

BTW, I was only disagreeing with complete collapse being a long-shot. Owning some gold and silver is absolutely a wise precaution.

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 2:59 pm

Drud I agree, our on time delivery system is a very fragile, vulnerable system. Small farms are no more, it’s all large corporations. The infrastructure to feed the masses depends on trucks to move the commodities to market. Any disruption in that process and the masses starve, law and order fail, and complete chaos follows. Gold and silver, sure, always a great idea, but if you don’t have the ability to feed yourself over the long run it’s a piss poor crutch to lean on.

A man dying of thirst will pay a gold coin for a glass of water. So what is the value of a glass of water? You could also ask what is the value of the gold coin, a glass of water? What am I saying? Its all subjective, you better have the ability to take care of yourself or your coins won’t go far. I’ll be trading my produce for your gold coins.

tbessi
tbessi
February 18, 2015 3:03 pm

Don’t think I’d take that bet. Armstrong’s computer shows a decent chance of Gold hitting a low around $650. It would suck to loose the bet. However he has it going much higher eventually. Stupid bet for only $1,000 so no big deal. Prices change, that’s a free market. When confidence in government goes down the price of gold will go up, when it rises it will go down. Other than extreme boughts of shifts in government confidence Gold is no different than corn or copper.

I still see the idiots on Gold Rush mining for Gold. When they all go broke I’ll call a bottom. If the clueless can make money out of digging a mineral out of the ground we haven’t hit bottom yet.

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 3:07 pm

I might add luck will pay a large part. AWD was all prepped up and something took his ass out before he opened the first can of beans. Don’t forget to Have Fun along the way, something I need to do better at.

Rise Up
Rise Up
February 18, 2015 3:14 pm

Drud, what else would you use as a measure to gold? You have to use SOMETHING, or you can’t establish any value, whether it’s fish eggs or dollars (or convert dollars to yuan or rubles if you prefer).

Rise Up
Rise Up
February 18, 2015 3:35 pm

Sensetti says:

“My point is, when the death of the petrodollar arrives, if Gold is relevant, the Government will revert back to price controls and may require it to be turned in. If that happens it would be impossible to use gold as a means of exchange, no one would trade with you.”

Then a few posts down, you say this:

“I’ll be trading my produce for your gold coins.”

Seems to be a contridiction here…

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 3:59 pm

I guess it depends on what your definition of total collapse is. I would think most people in the south would describe the Civil war as a total collapse. I would all so think most in Europe after WW2 would describe what they lived through as a total collapse.

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 4:16 pm

Rise up not at all. I was simply laying out different scenarios. Gold and silver are a piss poor crutch if that’s all you put in place. For example, I’ve invested in a small farm with an abundance of water. I have horse, horse drawn equipment, trucks trailers, small tractor, tools, guns and ammo. I would not sell all that and put the proceeds in gold and silver and move to town. Why? The things I have in place are more valuable to me than the gold they would buy. In a collapse situation, to whatever degree, I’ll be set up to prosper. You can shut down the electric grid, I’am good to go.

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 4:24 pm

Total collapse post civil war

The time: Spring 1865, at the end of the Civil War

The place: The American South

The problems: Destruction, hunger, lawlessness and violence

More than a million African Americans were refugees, homeless, separated from family during years of slavery, wondering what to do now. The white male population had been decimated by the war. The survivors straggled home, many of them wounded. But when they arrived home, they found a strange new world waiting for them.

Governments in many places ceased to exist. Southern infrastructure was almost totally destroyed. Cities were in shambles. Chimneys loomed in overgrown fields where homes once stood. Farm fields were destroyed. The familiar social order was gone.

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 4:30 pm

My question is who would rebuild the United States after WW3 should we need a little help?

Aftermath of World War II

At the end of the war, millions of people were homeless, the European economy had collapsed, and much of the European industrial infrastructure had been destroyed. The Soviet Union, too, had been heavily affected. In response, in 1947, U.S. Secretary of State George Marshall devised the “European Recovery Program”, which became known as the Marshall Plan. Under the plan, during 1948-1952 the United States government allocated US$13 billion (US$137 billion in 2014 dollars) for the reconstruction of Western Europe.

Just because we rebuilt Europe in just a few short years does not mean it’s was not a total collapse.

Rise Up
Rise Up
February 18, 2015 4:30 pm

Sensetti, you are doing the right thing, IMHO. Many of us would do the same if we had the means. But if I were you, I would have some gold and silver anyway (and I do and wish I had more).

DRUD
DRUD
February 18, 2015 4:49 pm

@Sensetti – Of course land, water, food, shelter always will have more value than gold. I think we all agree to never put all of one’s eggs in the same basket.

@Rise Up – Well, that’s the rub? Value is a tough one without currency, but at the same time measuring everything in terms of currency is backasswards. I read some article about how an ounce of gold in Ancient Rome could buy you a nice suit with a little left over for a meal, just about the same as today. It isn’t perfect, of course, but one hell of a lot better and more stable than a dollar which has lost 97% of it value over 100 years. Ultimately, it is all about truly free markets and central currencies–and especially central banks–always limit free market. Value is in the eye of the beholder (“One man’s trach is another man’s come-up” – Macklemore). The way a free market works is people all go out there and participate in the market and values set themselves–in other words, price discovery. We all know that in our currently top-down, manipulated, BS markets, this concept simply no longer exists.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
February 18, 2015 5:15 pm

Sensetti

How is it you are smart enough to do all that you posted in your 4:24 post, yet you are so dumb as to believe in the Republiscam party???

Also, you pose a good question as to who would help out the USA!USA!USA! to rebuild this country after WW3. If for the first time we have a truly global collapse along with a world war on a biblical scale of destruction, who would be left to rebuild the ashes of Amerika? Could it be those who hold the gold?

DavidC
DavidC
February 18, 2015 5:19 pm

You save your wealth in gold and silver for after the collapse of the current system. During the crisis, you need barter items to trade with others for food or soap or other necessary goods. The guys with “only” gold and silver are going to be the ones trading coins for a glass of water. What is the gold worth in that scenario? A LOT more than the water. Those of us with a full range of survival skills and food and a well are going to be wealthy based on those preps, and we are going to be wealthy again after the chaos dies down. When the FSA goes on their initial rampage, they will be stopped by lack of food, gasoline, shelter, and meds. Most of the guns in this country are in the hands of the rural types, and the unwashed masses will be exhausted before they get to us. The cops will be too busy protecting their own families and homes to care if the FSA kills itself over a few scraps. It will be like the Minute-men all over again except that the FSA won’t survive the initial onslaught, and the battles will be over very quickly. If the country is in that bad shape, the dollar will be only a pretty piece of paper with no value, so the price of gold/silver will be, by definition, worth an astronomical price in dollars. As in Weimer Germany, the resulting hyperinflation will mean that only those with gold/silver will have any liquid wealth at all. That’s why you save wealth in gold/silver.

Always keep stacking. Your future (after the chaos) depends on it.

Tommy
Tommy
February 18, 2015 5:48 pm

The folks that argue against total economic collapse, in my opinion, don’t understand that bretton woods’ goal was to use the might of the victor, in this case the U.S. to spread central banking throughout the world. The dollar was the answer to a problem, and now has become – due to trade imbalances of epic natural and unnatural (see also:derivatives) quantities. But the whole enchilada is covered in the same sauce. So Greece matters – they’ve learned they’re holding the ace, and can tell schauble/merkel/etc to fuck off. Italy’s watching intently – but Greece is enough.

The whole thing is global and what happens here impacts there and vice versa. When it goes, it’s all electronic. No lag, no pause. You’ll know its on because it’ll be on a Friday, the politicians will be assuring you ‘all is well’ with a token gesture to ‘show it’. But it’ll lock up at the speed of light.

Bob
Bob
February 18, 2015 6:10 pm

Gold has declined from its $1,900+ peak to a spike low of about $975. A correction of this decline is due. Gold is fishing for a bottom, and may revisit the price area it spiked down to before beginning an extended corrective wave. When that happens, we can expect a price retrace to end somewhere between ($1,500?). From there, we could expect a decline to resume in earnest, taking Gold prices to new lows for this cycle.

This pattern, if it plays out, would complete a multi-year, counter-trend move correcting the price climb to $1,900. After that, the bull market trend in Gold will take over, and Gold can be expected to eventually climb to new highs.

This potential scenario, gleaned form the charts and the waves, has significant implications for our economic future (the intermediate term — 10+ years). It draws a picture of a sustained but ultimately failed attempt to reflate, followed by a severe deflationary washout and then a potentially serious bout of inflation/hyperinflation — or some sort of economic reset. Let’s all fasten our seatbelts!

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
February 18, 2015 6:32 pm

Sensetti,
the Marshall Plan cemented Europe in socialism and red tape because it was administered centrally, like all foreign aid. Germany and Japan got far less “help” and ran right by France, et.al.

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 7:51 pm

Rise up – I have a little junk silver I’ve purchased, made the decision to stay away from Gold. I have two retirement accounts – one a defined benefit the other one a 401k which I don’t make any money on because its in an ultra “safe” position that pays zero. I don’t know if I could put that in gold or not? Those accounts are just out there I don’t know if either one will be viable in another 15 years or so, I doubt it. I pour all my extra cash into expanding my preps, it’s an addiction at this point.

Bottom line –> we all do what we can with what we’ve got and hope for the best.

Sensetti
Sensetti
February 18, 2015 10:28 pm
Steve Hogan
Steve Hogan
February 18, 2015 11:26 pm

People can debate using charts, history or just plain emotion. Ultimately, the choice is very simple: Do you trust something that has been money for thousands of years, or do you place your faith in politicians and bankers? The question answers itself.

Erasmus le dolt
Erasmus le dolt
February 19, 2015 7:56 am

Whatever Harry says…do the opposite.