LLPOH: Getting Out Of Dodge

About 30 years ago, I took a series of jobs in Australia, turning around failing manufacturing businesses. We were there for a very few years, and during this time became eligible for Australian citizenship, which we took up. In return for saving one such failing business, I received shares in it, which I still hold today. Over the years I have remained an employee of that small private company, as has my wife, and visit regularly to see that it survives and thrives.

With respect to Australia, we love the people of the rural areas, and the land, passionately. We have never met finer people. City folk are much the same as they are anywhere, but Australian country folk are as fine as they come, as they are in the US. We love the “wide, brown land” of Australia.

“I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror
The wide brown land for me!”

So, it is obvious by now where this is going, and where I and my family are going. We are building our doomstead in Australia. I have kept this quiet for some time, as I value anonymity and privacy.

Australia does not have a Bill of Rights, and in some ways is far different than the US. Gun rights are substantially restricted, but virtually all guns are available, especially to those that live on the land. Freedom of speech is not specifically protected, but is so generally. Violent crime is far less than in the US. Murder is very rare, and almost all perpetrators are caught forthwith.

The political system is as dysfunctional as it is anywhere. The public debt is smallish, and the country has enormous reserves of natural resources, and has the ability to grow its population substantially over the coming decades if need be. It is a far kinder, gentler nation than the US, but that will need to be continually paid for. It has better prospects than most in so doing, owing to the above re resources and population growth, at least in the near term. It is referred to as “the lucky country” and with good reason.

The following three issues are critical to the plan we have implemented – Australian citizenship, part owner of small business, and employee of that same business. In combination, those three things have allowed us to implement plans over the past almost 3 decades that are now coming to fruition.

The benefits of citizenship are obvious – I can come and go as I please, plus citizenship passed through me to my offspring.

The business ownership allowed me to take and store and save business earnings that have already been tax paid. I am able to draw them down complete with tax credits as and when I see fit. I can access approx. $360,000 per year tax free of these earnings. If I access less, I actually get a refund of the taxes previously paid. This is very beneficial indeed.

Keeping employee status allowed us to access the private pension scheme (“superannuation”). It is a very tax effective scheme, and is meant to encourage people to self-fund retirement, rather than use the government pension system. Not only does your employer contribute a percentage of your income, a person can add more him or herself, either pre-tax or post-tax. I added a lot of post-tax funds, which has some significant benefits attached but which are too complex to visit here. The income prior to retirement is preferentially taxed, and post-retirement, all income generated by the scheme, and all income distributed by the scheme, are tax-free, if properly structured. And it does not depend on the amount.

Re the doomstead – the doomstead is on 40 odd acres of rural land, and is around half an hour from a regional center. The home/garage/shedding we have built are very substantial, and are independent from public water and energy. The homestead is water self-sufficient, with dams of a couple million gallons, and with perhaps 100,000 gallons per year filtered and sterilized rainwater collected for use in the house/pool. The outside areas will be irrigated via the dams through significant installation of pipes/pumps/filters. The option of bore water is available, but it is not high quality water, so unless necessary we will not use that option.

The house will have solar hot water, and solar electric panels will generate around 40 KW hours of electricity per day, complete with battery back-up for overnight. This will more than meet our needs, and we will sell some back to the grid. In the event of insufficient sunlight to power the battery bank, we will have a generator, and should that fail, we can tie into the grid.

The 40 acres is on a hillside with nice views, and is mixed as to its characteristics. Some of it is rocky and unusable, while some is nice pasture for a cow or two. Some of the in-between areas are being planted out for firewood and for fruit trees. A large area for growing food is under development, as are areas for egg production and such. The land is over-run with wildlife, especially kangaroos. There are goannas, and assorted birdlife, and echidnas, the odd wombat, perhaps a koala here and there (very hard to spot and only live in certain types of trees), and some of the world’s deadliest snakes about.

The project itself will be fully completed, save for some of the issues re planting of gardens, trees, etc. We are fortunate that we can do this project all at once, and understand what we are implementing, and how we are doing it, is not going to be possible for most people. I do encourage everyone to implement their own plans, however, and work toward that end.

As mentioned, our plan took 30 years, and it was ever evolving, but we had a very good vision of what we wanted to do, and an approximate date when we would do it. If you do not start the journey, you cannot get to the destination.

We are located near our friends from the past, and have responsible, hard-working neighbors of fine character next to us – gentlemen farmers such as ourselves. My kids are going to college in Australia – the education, while not free, costs around $6000 for tuition per year. One is going to the best university in Australia (approximately Ivy standard), and the other will be living at home as soon as the doomstead is complete, commuting to a rural college around 20 minutes away.

I have implemented an exit strategy for my business, which I will perhaps discuss another time.

Another upside is that we get to access our US Social Security in Australia. That pleases me to no end, as it will be good to one day get something back for all we paid in taxes and SS over the years.

There is a significant downside, which I have mentioned in passing oft-times before. The US taxes its citizens on their world-wide income, and places severely onerous reporting requirements on its citizens living abroad. And US tax law does not mesh well with Australian tax law. This will be addressed carefully, as it must. A good tax attorney has been very beneficial to us.

We hope to have transitioned by year’s end. I know folks have talked about responsibility to stay and fight, about how it is cowardly to run away, etc. I in no way see it that way.

The US is a place that I love, with people that I love. But it is deeply flawed. The US people are getting what they want, as I believe is their right. But it is not what I want. The police state is too huge, the loss of rights too pervasive, and the international aggression too frequent. The two lazy wolves and the one highly productive sheep are voting on what to have for dinner, and more and more I feel I am the sheep in that scenario. And that disgusts me and makes a travesty of everything I have believed, and everything I have worked for. The politicians and the bulk of the populace stand idly by while productive society is disadvantaged and destroyed in order to benefit the non-productive bankers, corporate giants, welfare recipients, et al.

I have paid my dues and then some. It is time for a quieter, back to nature lifestyle. We love Australia, and we are of no doubt that the lifestyle we can and will lead in Australia will be far, far more peaceful and happy than that which we could enjoy in the US. The entire family is in agreement on this. I do not wish to support financially the corrupt system, and so I am taking steps to end such support. I will vote with my feet and with my wallet, and will no longer be the milk cow for a vast number of takers. I will ultimately be responsible only for property and sales taxes, and will otherwise be largely entirely free of any tax system.

One of the basic human freedoms is freedom to move and to live where one sees fit. We are exercising that freedom, while it lasts. I am not sure that it is going to last much longer – the US is making increasing efforts to discourage its citizens from living abroad, and it is ever more difficult to do so.

Again, I understand some will view these actions poorly. But, to them I say that I am not a slave, although I have begun to feel like it. I am able to choose my own path, and have worked long and hard with foresight so that my family and I can choose our own paths. I encourage everyone to look at what they can do to minimize their exposure to the yoke, and to plan for the day when they can break from servitude to a master who cares not for you, but rather only for what you can do for him. Rapidly the productive of society are being crushed by the sheer number of those that refuse to add anything. The wolves are voting to eat the productive sheep and the process is accelerating. If you can get out of the servitude, the sooner the better, as the noose is tightening every day.

I thank the Admin, and the friends of TBP, who are doing important work here. I will continue to try to add something of value.

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Administrator
Administrator
March 4, 2015 6:44 am

Llpoh

You forgot to mention the Admin guest house. 🙂

40 acres should be enough for the annual TBP shin dig reunion. I’ll book the date with you.

I admire your forethought, planning, persistence, and focus on your family.

No one should be angry at what you’ve accomplished. Hard work and creating wealth are what made this country. The people running the show and the majority of inhabitants believe they deserve something for nothing. You and I both know that will end badly.

Everyone should start working on a backup plan and preparing the best they can.

Great post. I’m going to try and get some of my sites to post it.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
March 4, 2015 6:47 am

Wow, what a fucking coward. I guess it is easier to be a chicken shit running away to another country than staying to take a stand. I have absolutely no respect for you.

flash
flash
March 4, 2015 6:51 am

Good luck to you loop,in a ll your present and future endeavors.
Leavings one homeland would be a tough choice , but I’m sure you made the right one according to your personal weights and measurements.

TC
TC
March 4, 2015 6:53 am

I’ve never been to Australia, but my old man has, and he’s the best judge of character I know. He says rural Australia is like rural America of the 1950s (no, not racist, but of substantial character and honesty to your neighbors.) You won’t get a guilt trip from me… you did the right thing for yourself and your family, and for that you should be applauded.

Germ
Germ
March 4, 2015 6:58 am

Steph you’re an idiot!

America was founded by people who fled their native lands for a better life.

Would you have called them “fucking cowards” too?
Where did your “fucking coward” ancestors come from?

bb
bb
March 4, 2015 7:01 am

Lipoh , On one hand I say Damn I envy you and on the other I say God bless .I wish I would have thought more about my future and planned accordingly. I don’t have enough money to go overseas so I’ll probably end up in the mountains of Tennessee.However I still have an up to date Passport .If I come into enough money I like what I have read about New Zealand.Let us know how your adventure is going. It is interesting.bb

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
March 4, 2015 7:02 am

Germ- This whole article was just a list of justifications to not be seen as cowardly. He is a coward. The rats always jump a sinking ship first.

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 7:03 am

Clam – what stand would you see me take?

I am an Australian citizen, too. It is a natural, inalienable right to move freely.

Thanks Admin, flash, T4C, Germ. (great handle, Germ!).

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
March 4, 2015 7:05 am

Oh stop the horseshit! You are running away. You should stop spouting all the freedom loving support of the constitution, the founding fathers, or the Sons of Liberty. Those taking a stand are people like Edward Snowden who made a sacrifice of his freedom so we would know what the NSA was doing. Go fuck yourself.

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 7:05 am

Bb – NZ is cool. If you are young enough you do not need money. Apply for a visa asap.

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 7:09 am

Umm, Snowden beat feet. Guess you did not notice. Again, what would you have me do? Stay and keep feeding a system I no longer trust? Maybe cheat on my taxes and default on some loans? Not my style.

flash
flash
March 4, 2015 7:12 am

speaking of Australia , doe anyone know what became of Novista …haven’s seen him post in quite awhile?

Billy
Billy
March 4, 2015 7:14 am

Please let this work… pleasepleaseplease…

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Billy
Billy
March 4, 2015 7:15 am

SHIT!!!!

Try again…

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Administrator
Administrator
March 4, 2015 7:22 am

Steph

Please regale us with how you are making a stand. You sure are a judgmental bitch for someone who hasn’t accomplished fuck all, has never employed a sole, hasn’t built a business, hasn’t paid .0001% of the taxes Llpoh has paid.

You stopped posting articles because you couldn’t take the heat on TBP when commenters ripped apart your grammar and spelling. Wow. What a stand you made.

What’s your latest business venture, and how is going to change the world?

Millennials like Snowden, who actually do take a stand and risk their lives, are worthy of praise and admiration.

You – not so much.

Administrator
Administrator
March 4, 2015 7:24 am

flash

I think Novista got pissed off about something and announced he wouldn’t be posting or commenting anymore. I think he is still out there reading TBP. He’s in New Zealand.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
March 4, 2015 7:25 am

Admin,

When everything is done and said, I will at least know I didn’t let some sycophants in Washington drive me out of my own country.

Administrator
Administrator
  Stephanie Shepard
March 4, 2015 7:27 am

They can’t drive you out of the country because you don’t have enough money for the airfare out of the country. Don’t act like you are some noble patriot fighting the evil forces of Mordor.

Do something and then you can judge others.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
March 4, 2015 7:31 am

I can leave this country anytime I want. There is always a way to leave. There is a difference between fleeing your homeland because you family is in danger and running away. The difference is duration of time. Insult me all you want, which really surprises me coming from you.

Administrator
Administrator
  Stephanie Shepard
March 4, 2015 7:37 am

Steph

Did I hurt your feelings? I’m not insulting you. I’m judging you. How’s it feel to be revealed as a petty, petulant, brat who hates anyone who has achieved success through their own blood, sweat and tears?

Your comments reveal you to still be an immature person who thinks they should be admired even though they have done nothing deserving admiration.

Do something. Accomplish something. Make your stand. Then you can tear down others.

Before that, shut the fuck up. I don’t blindly support people because of their age. It’s surprising to me that you didn’t think I’d call you out for your hypocrisy.

card802
card802
March 4, 2015 7:33 am

HaHaHaHaHa!!!! As I type this there is an advertizement on the right side explaining “Why you should never go to Australia” by Taboola.

I think this is a great opportunity for a new life in a new place, as you said, “One of the basic human freedoms is freedom to move and to live where one sees fit.”

Why did so many immigrants come to America at the turn of the century in the first place but to carve out a new life in a new place. Some were wealthy, some were poor, some made it, some did not, life is a bitch sometimes.
America and it’s Republic was a great idea borne from some great minds, and we pissed it away almost from the word go. We want to be ruled by elected representatives who will create and maintain a civil and equal society, but all we got and will get are power hungry sociopaths.
People are tired of fighting just to be governed by the insane, and the insane are the ones we always look to. History is a great teacher but we never learn from it.
Fuck it, self reliance is the natural way, even if the doomstead has a freaking pool! You know how to go Gault in style!

Bevie a liquid-gold for us, but don’t forget us, ‘n’ may god bless you ‘n’ yours even more.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
March 4, 2015 7:41 am

Nah, you didn’t hurt my feelings. This is the internet. But what is the difference between Llpoh building his doomstead in Australia and the Wall Street preppers buying up their safe havens in New Zealand. You rally against all the idiots on Wall Street, CEOs, and all the men on top of the business pyramid. Are they not also protecting the achieved success though their own blood, sweat, and tears?

Administrator
Administrator
  Stephanie Shepard
March 4, 2015 7:53 am

I rail against Wall Street bankers, mega corp CEOs, and billionaires who have raped and pillaged the wealth of the country. I believe they have rigged the system to enrich themselves. I believe they have committed traitorous acts.

Llpoh has been a small businessman for decades, building a manufacturing business in the US competing against the mega-corps who outsourced their manufacturing to China. He has employed Americans, paid them good wages, paid a huge amount of taxes, and has slowly accumulated wealth by living beneath his means for his whole life.

How you could possibly attempt to compare what llpoh has accomplished versus the Wall Street scum is mind boggling to me. You seem to be missing a comprehension gene.

Llpoh is probably approaching 60 years old and like most successful entrepreneurs is attempting to live his final years of retirement the way he sees best for him and his family. And you scorn him for 30 years of planning, hard work, and success???

Your comments make you look like a fool. But, you are hard headed. We all know that. You fancy yourself an entrepreneur, except you haven’t put in the years of hard work, pain, toil, risk, and sweat. After you’ve achieved something, let me know and I’ll sing your praises.

bb
bb
March 4, 2015 7:41 am

Steph , lipoh is an excellent example of what hard work , planning and perseverance can accomplish. He is reaping the benefits of a well thought out plan for himself and his family.I can only wish him well.

tbessi
tbessi
March 4, 2015 7:41 am

So close to China as the West helps start WWIII. That’s not cowardly that’s brave, you’ll be our first line of defense and one of the first one’s picked off when China takes the helm from the good old USSofA. Enjoy, sounds like a blast!

card802
card802
March 4, 2015 7:41 am

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Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 7:43 am

Damn. A world class beatdown being administered by the Admin.

Newbies – this is how it used to be every day around here.

Clam – I served my country in arms, I paid my taxes, supported my community, and created jobs. I have never been forced out of anyplace I have ever been. I have made a choice. I have done enough. Now is time for me and mine.

Your turn to step up to the plate. Not that that will happen.

Faux Queue
Faux Queue
March 4, 2015 7:43 am

Good on ya, mate! Australia is a great choice.

While I’ll never leave America alive, it’s easy to see why others do. My stand comes here.

Best of luck and g’day to ya.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
March 4, 2015 7:45 am

Llph- Then why are you letting them run you out of the country? Why you letting these asshats defeat you?

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 7:49 am

Thanks Faux. Thanks card. And all the others. Not you clam.

There are several wedgetail eagles that circle my land. Like eight foot wingspans. Big fuckers. No baldies tho.

stanley
stanley
March 4, 2015 7:50 am

@Llpoh

” the US is making increasing efforts to discourage its citizens from living abroad, and it is ever more difficult to do so.”

Correction: The US is making it nearly impossible for US citizens to get their survival pesos out of America. Soft exit visas/capitol controls on the middle class. You can leave any time you want to, but removing even the smallest of assets has become nearly impossible. Americans are free to starve anywhere on the planet as long as their money stays in US government hands.

“Another upside is that we get to access our US Social Security in Australia.”

It is my belief that this will soon come to an end. I think in the near future Social Security will be denied to citizens living outside the borders of Freedom and Democracy. Those who got out before those changes will be grandfathered in and may get some portion of their stolen wages back if they left before the change. Others who wait will be too late.

We are hoping to exit the by the end of 2015. Many difficulties, visa headaches, apostilled documents, whimsical bureaucracies galore, & other unfun hurdles to be overcome.

I think the Ozzies are going full fascist as rapidly as the rest of of the Five Eyes countries, but godspeed to you for taking the chance and making it happen. I hope you find your own nirvana.

stanley

I wish you and your loved ones only the best of all possible worlds. Take care of what matters most –

stanley

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 7:52 am

Clam – not defeated. Just done. Your turn. Done my bit. Done got tired of the fight. I have fought hard for a very long time. It takes a toll on me, and on my family. We deserve to live peacefully after so many battles.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
March 4, 2015 7:54 am

Congrats llpoh! My go to place would be Spain purely because of the people. Even though Spain is fucked like the US, I’d much rather go through SHTF with Spaniards than Americans. Still, I’ll make my stand right where I am. I’ve got a front row seat for what is likely to be the Greatest Show On Earth. It’s gonna be like a giant Gallagher Show! Who knows, maybe that piano wire in my back pocket will get some mileage!

My hopes and dreams were largely based on the America that was sold to me the first 25 years of my life. I may still get there………it’s gonna be a squeaker though!

Your plans and execution are admirable! I hope you get many decades to enjoy your reward. I’ve always thought Australia would be a great place to live but I’m not a fan of those insanely deadly snakes and the spiders that have you on the menu. Worse than that, wind drives me insane and wide open spaces have loads of it. Living in the Coober Pedy in a subterranean house would be cool though!

I’m looking forward to hearing of your new adventures going forward. I won’t try to give you any advice because you are one of those rare kinds of people that is several steps ahead of the game because you consistently make good decisions. Enjoy!

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 7:54 am

Thanks Stanley. Your points are well taken. Good luck.

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 7:57 am

Admin – 60 is in sight. Yikes.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
March 4, 2015 7:58 am

“I rail against Wall Street bankers, mega corp CEOs, and billionaires who have raped and pillaged the wealth of the country. ‘

Many of those people also think of themselves as successful entrepreneurs who are just looking for safe havens for their money as well. There is a bottleneck that has been created because of government interference and heavy taxation of all businesses. It is not surprising to me that the mega rich are protecting their wealth in the stock market right now and not investing in the economy. With 70 months at 0% interest I would bet on all the horses too. Yes, they game is rigged, are they also not hedging their bets to continue to make money?

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
March 4, 2015 7:59 am

Wow! This thread has some smokin’ comments!

Admin said:
“I think Novista got pissed off about something and announced he wouldn’t be posting or commenting anymore. I think he is still out there reading TBP. He’s in New Zealand.”

Who was the guy out in California who got torqued and then bailed?

There was a guy who posted quite a bit from Australia.

Olga
Olga
March 4, 2015 8:06 am

Sounds like a fabulous plan – good luck and have fun – you deserve it!

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
March 4, 2015 8:15 am

Damn! I haven’t seen admin kick an ass like this in a loooong time. Never thought it would be Clammy’s!

Clammy, you are seriously embarrassing yourself.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
March 4, 2015 8:20 am

IS: I really don’t care if anybody disagrees with me. I have always been the minority opinion on this website strictly because of being a Millennial. Considering the fourth turning is ramping up, it also doesn’t surprise me when opinions become staunch.

flash
flash
March 4, 2015 8:37 am

admin, thanks for the update on Novista.

I/S , I think the California cat you refer to is Colma ( Tonto) a real hero worshiper….disappeared about the same time as Novista..they were buds a well.

harry p.
harry p.
March 4, 2015 8:44 am

No matter what anyone says your homeland isnt some plot of land that govts can claim, its wherever you make your home. Congrats on the long plan, let me know if you might need someone with descent long gun skills to protect the doomstead, other than keeping my belly full and my guns loaded i am pretty cheap.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
March 4, 2015 8:52 am

Yeppers Clammy………you gotz it all figgerd out! Carry on!

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
March 4, 2015 8:54 am

Thanks flash.

Did we have an expat here from Australia? I might have my forums crossed.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
March 4, 2015 9:06 am

Good for you I wish you all the success in the world.

And you owe no allegiance to anyone or anything that fails to show you the same.

Please do not pick up that awful accent.

Billah's wife
Billah's wife
March 4, 2015 9:06 am

Oh mah gawd. Me n Billah would absolutely lurv to join ya down under at yer doomstead llpoh! We don’t work particularly hard, but I did train our lab to lick peanut butter in a very rythmic fashion from off billah’s gonads. I CAN BE IN CHARG

Along them same lines, I would strongly recommend you never ever join me ‘down under’, as there is a seriously funky smell in my nethers I ain’t been able ter git rid of fer years and years. But I AM BILLAH’S WIFE!

Gayle
Gayle
March 4, 2015 9:13 am

Llpoh

I’m certain many here are envious of this great opportunity you have, myself included. I’ve always thought one of the factors leading to the greatness of the former America is that it was populated with people carrying your mindset and possessing something in their DNA which propelled them towards the adventure of leaving the familiar and creating better lives for themselves. I wish you well.

My only caveat is that when all is said and done in this stormy period of history, I suspect there will finally be nowhere to run to, no place to hide, especially for the intelligent, resourceful, and independent like you, who pose danger to any tyrannical system. But you have purchased some more time, no doubt, for your family to enjoy fully the fruit of previous sacrifice and hard work. Godspeed.

Welshman
Welshman
March 4, 2015 9:22 am

Clamy,

Your youth is showing.

Llpoh,

I have been waiting for this story for a long time. Every time you mention it, I go into a day dream of what Llpoh doomer pad is like. While not available to most, your plan is BOLD and well executed. While Dr. Hope and I have hit maybe a double or triple, you have hit a home run for a ball that won’t be found.

To live on the fringe of society I think your income will see you through. Although I have more of yoke around my neck, it takes some wealth not to be on ground zero. No plan is perfect, due to the unknowns, but yours has a good foundation. You are one smart Indian. Good luck.

TC
TC
March 4, 2015 9:25 am

@Stephanie – have you read “Atlas Shrugged?” It might change your mind a bit.

Billy
Billy
March 4, 2015 9:32 am

It’s Llpoh’s choice.

He’s paid his dues, made his bones. Contributed more than most. If he want’s to pop smoke and call it a day, that’s on him. He’s earned that right, as far as I’m concerned…

We’ve often played the “what if?” game here… “what if” we had the resources to go anywhere, live anywhere. What would we do?

Simple. If we had the resources, I’d pack our shit and relocate to Switzerland. Buy some 500 year old farm, teach myself how to play the alpenhorn, raise purple cows and get used to wearing a funny lookin’ hat… maybe even set myself up as a ‘smithy…

But that takes phenomenal resources… like, hitting the Powerball kind of resources…

So, we have contingency plans.

My wife and son are both legally entitled to live in Europe. When shit goes wonky, they are to take whatever resources they can carry, pack a bag and hop the next flight to Stuttgart. After that, well, I’ve given them my opinion on where the safest places will probably be, based on homogenous population, debt ratio, levels of education, etc… if they choose safe harbor in those places, then good on them.

But I’m not permitted to live there. I can stay for short periods of time on a visa, but not permanently – especially when shit goes sideways.

And so I will stay here, for good or otherwise. If it is my fate to go down fighting, then it is what it is… we all die.

All I ask is for the chance to choose how I go out.

But my son must survive. He is the last of us, and he knows it. Find safe harbor. Work hard. Marry as best you can. Have many children. Continue the line. That’s all that matters, really. I’m expendable, and I know it. And I’m okay with that.

Good luck, Llpoh.

Chicago999444
Chicago999444
March 4, 2015 9:32 am

Stephanie, would you have called the Jews and other minorities of Nazi Germany “cowards” for saving their own lives, and fleeing to the U.S. or some other safe haven?

Ilpoh, I wish you luck. It sounds as though you have planned this and thought it through very thoroughly, and your capabilities as the owner-manufacturer of a manufacturing concern, as well as your past experience in a variety of jobs, will serve you well.

I wish I’d done more to prepare for this time of my life, and this dire hour in our history, and I respect those who have.

Paulo
Paulo
March 4, 2015 9:34 am

Lipoh,

Best of luck, mate.

My folks, ww2 vets, moved to Canada in ’68 to escape the Hunter Pt riots and general decline of US. We used to live in the Bay Area when it was rural. It has only gotten worse. I have always considered myself lucky to have grown up Canadian. We have many friends from Austrailia who have moved here, as in many ways the mindset is similar, (at least in rural Canada). Best to you as you go forward and please post news and developments.

We…my wife and I, have our 15 year developed ‘stead. We have a good 16 acres, 1/2 bush (forest/woodlot) and 1/2 pasture, a pond with nesting mallards, extensive gardens, greenhouses, and we live on an excellent salmon river with terrific fish runs. We have a great view of ‘the mountain’, as well. Our neighbours are great and family is close by.

We have never looked back and I wish you and family the same good luck and good fortune.

When Stephanie types grow up and take their blinders off they will realize TPTB have filled their bank accounts on their naievete and ignorance. My folks faced the same wrath when they left USA almost 50 years ago.

regards

Tommy
Tommy
March 4, 2015 9:46 am

Look forward to hearing more from your new adventures Llpoh.

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