LLPOH: Getting Out Of Dodge

About 30 years ago, I took a series of jobs in Australia, turning around failing manufacturing businesses. We were there for a very few years, and during this time became eligible for Australian citizenship, which we took up. In return for saving one such failing business, I received shares in it, which I still hold today. Over the years I have remained an employee of that small private company, as has my wife, and visit regularly to see that it survives and thrives.

With respect to Australia, we love the people of the rural areas, and the land, passionately. We have never met finer people. City folk are much the same as they are anywhere, but Australian country folk are as fine as they come, as they are in the US. We love the “wide, brown land” of Australia.

“I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror
The wide brown land for me!”

So, it is obvious by now where this is going, and where I and my family are going. We are building our doomstead in Australia. I have kept this quiet for some time, as I value anonymity and privacy.

Australia does not have a Bill of Rights, and in some ways is far different than the US. Gun rights are substantially restricted, but virtually all guns are available, especially to those that live on the land. Freedom of speech is not specifically protected, but is so generally. Violent crime is far less than in the US. Murder is very rare, and almost all perpetrators are caught forthwith.

The political system is as dysfunctional as it is anywhere. The public debt is smallish, and the country has enormous reserves of natural resources, and has the ability to grow its population substantially over the coming decades if need be. It is a far kinder, gentler nation than the US, but that will need to be continually paid for. It has better prospects than most in so doing, owing to the above re resources and population growth, at least in the near term. It is referred to as “the lucky country” and with good reason.

The following three issues are critical to the plan we have implemented – Australian citizenship, part owner of small business, and employee of that same business. In combination, those three things have allowed us to implement plans over the past almost 3 decades that are now coming to fruition.

The benefits of citizenship are obvious – I can come and go as I please, plus citizenship passed through me to my offspring.

The business ownership allowed me to take and store and save business earnings that have already been tax paid. I am able to draw them down complete with tax credits as and when I see fit. I can access approx. $360,000 per year tax free of these earnings. If I access less, I actually get a refund of the taxes previously paid. This is very beneficial indeed.

Keeping employee status allowed us to access the private pension scheme (“superannuation”). It is a very tax effective scheme, and is meant to encourage people to self-fund retirement, rather than use the government pension system. Not only does your employer contribute a percentage of your income, a person can add more him or herself, either pre-tax or post-tax. I added a lot of post-tax funds, which has some significant benefits attached but which are too complex to visit here. The income prior to retirement is preferentially taxed, and post-retirement, all income generated by the scheme, and all income distributed by the scheme, are tax-free, if properly structured. And it does not depend on the amount.

Re the doomstead – the doomstead is on 40 odd acres of rural land, and is around half an hour from a regional center. The home/garage/shedding we have built are very substantial, and are independent from public water and energy. The homestead is water self-sufficient, with dams of a couple million gallons, and with perhaps 100,000 gallons per year filtered and sterilized rainwater collected for use in the house/pool. The outside areas will be irrigated via the dams through significant installation of pipes/pumps/filters. The option of bore water is available, but it is not high quality water, so unless necessary we will not use that option.

The house will have solar hot water, and solar electric panels will generate around 40 KW hours of electricity per day, complete with battery back-up for overnight. This will more than meet our needs, and we will sell some back to the grid. In the event of insufficient sunlight to power the battery bank, we will have a generator, and should that fail, we can tie into the grid.

The 40 acres is on a hillside with nice views, and is mixed as to its characteristics. Some of it is rocky and unusable, while some is nice pasture for a cow or two. Some of the in-between areas are being planted out for firewood and for fruit trees. A large area for growing food is under development, as are areas for egg production and such. The land is over-run with wildlife, especially kangaroos. There are goannas, and assorted birdlife, and echidnas, the odd wombat, perhaps a koala here and there (very hard to spot and only live in certain types of trees), and some of the world’s deadliest snakes about.

The project itself will be fully completed, save for some of the issues re planting of gardens, trees, etc. We are fortunate that we can do this project all at once, and understand what we are implementing, and how we are doing it, is not going to be possible for most people. I do encourage everyone to implement their own plans, however, and work toward that end.

As mentioned, our plan took 30 years, and it was ever evolving, but we had a very good vision of what we wanted to do, and an approximate date when we would do it. If you do not start the journey, you cannot get to the destination.

We are located near our friends from the past, and have responsible, hard-working neighbors of fine character next to us – gentlemen farmers such as ourselves. My kids are going to college in Australia – the education, while not free, costs around $6000 for tuition per year. One is going to the best university in Australia (approximately Ivy standard), and the other will be living at home as soon as the doomstead is complete, commuting to a rural college around 20 minutes away.

I have implemented an exit strategy for my business, which I will perhaps discuss another time.

Another upside is that we get to access our US Social Security in Australia. That pleases me to no end, as it will be good to one day get something back for all we paid in taxes and SS over the years.

There is a significant downside, which I have mentioned in passing oft-times before. The US taxes its citizens on their world-wide income, and places severely onerous reporting requirements on its citizens living abroad. And US tax law does not mesh well with Australian tax law. This will be addressed carefully, as it must. A good tax attorney has been very beneficial to us.

We hope to have transitioned by year’s end. I know folks have talked about responsibility to stay and fight, about how it is cowardly to run away, etc. I in no way see it that way.

The US is a place that I love, with people that I love. But it is deeply flawed. The US people are getting what they want, as I believe is their right. But it is not what I want. The police state is too huge, the loss of rights too pervasive, and the international aggression too frequent. The two lazy wolves and the one highly productive sheep are voting on what to have for dinner, and more and more I feel I am the sheep in that scenario. And that disgusts me and makes a travesty of everything I have believed, and everything I have worked for. The politicians and the bulk of the populace stand idly by while productive society is disadvantaged and destroyed in order to benefit the non-productive bankers, corporate giants, welfare recipients, et al.

I have paid my dues and then some. It is time for a quieter, back to nature lifestyle. We love Australia, and we are of no doubt that the lifestyle we can and will lead in Australia will be far, far more peaceful and happy than that which we could enjoy in the US. The entire family is in agreement on this. I do not wish to support financially the corrupt system, and so I am taking steps to end such support. I will vote with my feet and with my wallet, and will no longer be the milk cow for a vast number of takers. I will ultimately be responsible only for property and sales taxes, and will otherwise be largely entirely free of any tax system.

One of the basic human freedoms is freedom to move and to live where one sees fit. We are exercising that freedom, while it lasts. I am not sure that it is going to last much longer – the US is making increasing efforts to discourage its citizens from living abroad, and it is ever more difficult to do so.

Again, I understand some will view these actions poorly. But, to them I say that I am not a slave, although I have begun to feel like it. I am able to choose my own path, and have worked long and hard with foresight so that my family and I can choose our own paths. I encourage everyone to look at what they can do to minimize their exposure to the yoke, and to plan for the day when they can break from servitude to a master who cares not for you, but rather only for what you can do for him. Rapidly the productive of society are being crushed by the sheer number of those that refuse to add anything. The wolves are voting to eat the productive sheep and the process is accelerating. If you can get out of the servitude, the sooner the better, as the noose is tightening every day.

I thank the Admin, and the friends of TBP, who are doing important work here. I will continue to try to add something of value.

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Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 3:59 pm

In my opinion, a gringo in South or Central America will do poorly indeed when TSHTF.

Rise Up
Rise Up
March 4, 2015 4:01 pm

@DRUD – good comment!

@TE “By watching the news I see they want me to hate the young, the old, the black, the immigrant, the pro-choicer or pro-lifer, hatred is imbedded and reinforced.”

I get that feeling/message also. It’s the old divide and conquer game, and the lamestream news media trumps it up to the max. The only conclusion I can find for the absolute destruction of civility and breakdown of common decency and fairness (by government as well as society in general), is an archonic/demonic influence that is attempting to rule over the entire planet. I don’t know if it’s a traditional God vs. Satan battle, a cosmic war by extraterrestials using humans as pawns, a “posioning of the well” from the environment, or some other unknown force.

Maybe it’s just mass hysteria…but the powers that be sure like stirring it up.

Montefrio
Montefrio
March 4, 2015 4:25 pm

@llpoh

I’d say in general you’re correct about gringos down here, but I’d be curious to learn your reasons for believing as you do. I’ve been down here eleven years now and had the advantage coming in of being bilingual, as are my children, both of whom live in Spanish speaking places, both of whom have been successful professionally in no small measure because they’re bilingual. I’m thoroughly assimilated into our small village now, although I’ll always be a foreigner. Having a native of the country for a daughter-in-law (and now a native-born grandson as well) is also a help, if and when TSHTF; I’m not entirely convinced, but live to a great extent as if I were.

As you know, rural folk are friendly as a rule, particularly if one is friendly to them first. I live in a country that has had and has its share of problems, particularly economic problems, but the locals take those problems as they come and I’ve largely learned to do likewise.

Again, I thank you for your fine essay and the lively discussion it’s inspired!

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 4:39 pm

Monte – I think gringos will by and large be seen as rich outsiders when TSHTF, at least the johnny come latelies. I think they will be targeted. Just my guess.

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 4:53 pm

These are some of the things I believe in: hard work, personal responsibility, law abidingness, education, thrift, honesty in dealing with employees, customers and suppliers, small government, low taxes, integrity, fair play, level playing fields, family, delayed gratification, living within ones means, debt avoidance, liberty, non-aggressive govt.

How is the US with respect to those things? Or any other country, for that matter? The values that created the great US nation no longer exist, by and large. Almost all the things I mentioned have been eroded, or entirely wiped out.

Best I can tell, it is what the majority want. So be it. What they want is not what I believe in. And they also want me to fund this system. I am unwilling to continue to do so.

I read yesterday that 79% of Americans want SS payments to increase, and they want the “wealthy” to pay for it. Never mind that SS already pays a person two or three times more than they put in.

And never mind that the “wealthy” have no hope in hell of having enough money to do so.

But that is the narrative – tax the wealthy, whoever they are – as they can afford it.

And ignore the fact that the “non-wealthy” are as a group taking no responsibility for themselves via hard work, thrift, debt avoidance, proper education, living within their means. Nope – the answer to their problems are to take more from the “wealthy”.

The lazy wolves are voting on what to have for dinner. And they now outnumber the productive sheep.

I am out of that game. They can eat a different sheep.

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 4:55 pm

Admin – you old softie.

And you were right about banksters.

Boy, there were some blistering wars. Everyone would go off in a huff. And the funny thing, the wars were over details, and the differences were minor at best. Hilarious.

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 4:57 pm

Admin was downright nice to Steph and Otto. And I kid you not. He was not even warmed up.

indialantic
indialantic
March 4, 2015 5:00 pm

Llpoh,

Good show, “mate”. I am happy for you and your family. Beat feet as quickly as you can and don’t look back. Cheers!

Administrator
Administrator
  indialantic
March 4, 2015 5:24 pm

Llpoh

Have you learned their language?

Administrator
Administrator
  Administrator
March 4, 2015 5:26 pm

Lucky you are a citizen.

Montefrio
Montefrio
March 4, 2015 5:06 pm

@lloph

Thanks. “By and large” could possibly be escalated to “nearly always”, but that’s largely because of the way those gringos live. They are the folks who take no trouble to learn the language and who live in gated communities with wine-tastings and polo matches, snapping their fingers to summon the help (the little bells of yesteryear are out of fashion). They make no effort to assimilate while whining incessantly about the failure of Latinos to do so in the US. They are right to complain in one sense: when in Rome and so on. Unless one is willing and able to assimilate, best not to emigrate.

We share our values in every jot and tittle: you provided a good summary of Beliefs/Values that if universally shared would make the world a better place for ourselves and our posterity. And I’m afraid I agree with you that from what I can see from afar, those values are no longer held by the majority in the US or nearly anywhere else; maybe no place else.

ragman
ragman
March 4, 2015 5:30 pm

Ll: good luck, dude, you fuckin’ EARNED it! Served yer country, worked yer ass off, paid yer taxes, saved for retirement. Now you and fam want to un-ass this stinking shithole? It’s no one ‘s bidness but yours. I don’t blame you one bit. I’d go to Hungary if I could, but I can’t so Western NC is my destination. Never been Down Under but a couple of movies from the old days are among my favorites. “The Sundowners”, “On The Beach”, and the Quigley thing come to mind. Rolf Harris’ “Tie Me Kangaroo Down” is a neat old song from the 60s. Safe travels and give us an update now and then.

Administrator
Administrator
  ragman
March 4, 2015 5:38 pm

ragman

You forgot Road Warrior.

Welshman
Welshman
March 4, 2015 5:35 pm

Llpoh,

Maybe you can get a couple of camels for the ranch and break them in for riding around the ranch.
I have read that the Australian Desert is home to 750,000 feral camels. They were going to cull 250,00 camels and make camel jerky, but that plan never got any traction.

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
March 4, 2015 5:38 pm

LLPOH has every right to go to Australia. I wish him well. The simple fact is that most of us won’t. We will fight it out here, like it or not. We are getting very close to the day when all of this will be decided for you. We are in a death struggle, though a cruise through the local Walmart or shopping mall may make this difficult to accept. Things can and will change with astonishing speed. Most of us will be belching our way through beer and Buffalo wings one day and a few weeks later will be cursing ourselves for not having bought another 1000 rounds of .223 and a dozen more magazines. Cheers, SS

Peaceout
Peaceout
March 4, 2015 5:38 pm

People move around this globe from country to country everyday, for whatever reasons, seeking sanctuary, chasing job opportunities, reconnecting with family, tired of government oppression, NSA whistleblower and whatever, pick a reason, does that make them all cowards? Are they running from something or running to something better. I would like to think that whatever each persons reasons are they should just be theirs alone and the rest of us really have no business judging them.

Good on you Llpoh, battle on.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
March 4, 2015 5:38 pm

LOL! That water buffalo is giving Aussie llpoh the come hither look!

ottomatik
ottomatik
March 4, 2015 5:42 pm

Admin & Lloph- Both you old fuckin codgers can lick asshole. I am not offended in the least, look at my thumbs down, yeah baby, that’s what Im talkin’ bout, success!!! I have to give credit to bitch Stephanie though, she had the balls to sling shit forthright(Bravo). It’s refreshing to see an opinionated millennial vent frustration at a waning Boomer.
Stephanie- Keep it up, and fire back, wear Admins Bitch Badge with pride, the battles are only getting tougher. Like Admin says America needs you, and your peers to do the heavy lifting. If we don’t fight how will we know what to lift. Im impressed that your here, it gives me reassurance.

To all of those who gave me thumbs down, without comment, cowards.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
March 4, 2015 5:43 pm

LLPOH escaping the tyrannical arms of the USA tax ’em till they die program!

(This weasel was trying to kill and eat the woodpecker.)
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IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
March 4, 2015 5:45 pm

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Administrator
Administrator
  IndenturedServant
March 4, 2015 5:56 pm

The Millennials are saving the world. They are using their billions in student loan debt to eat out.

SSS
SSS
March 4, 2015 5:59 pm

“If Steph and Ottomatik think my comments were mean, they would cower in a corner when you, me, Stuck, Smokey, Davos, Colma, and AWD would have an all out war. Those were the days.”
—-Admin

Hey, hey!!!! What about me? Do you remember the knock-down, drag-out fights we had over stuff like Billy Joe Armstrong and Southwest Airlines? And Sketchers sneakers versus New Balance? Those were important issues, real game-changers. Heh.

As for breaking 120 in golf, piffle. I had an 84 two weeks. The stars got so far out of alignment that I followed up with a 94 just to rebalance the Universe.

Administrator
Administrator
  SSS
March 4, 2015 6:06 pm

SSS

Those Green Day threads were intense.

I even have to admit you were right.

My new sneakers, bought with a 30% off coupon at Kohl’s.

Billah's wife
Billah's wife
March 4, 2015 6:05 pm

Ha ha Billah you know good n well Billah Jr is a major retard who ain’t got no chance once the shit hits the fryin pan. He’s in a class uh full blown retards and they all call him ‘the retard fag’ so shitballs, that ain’t a good sign when it comes to survivin. Let’s be honest here hon, that boy is gonna be worth one good meal and that’s it. His boyfriend jamal is another ball uh ear wax tho.

JC
JC
March 4, 2015 7:10 pm

I didn’t most of the posts.

I would like to say to Stephanie Shepard

Take a big pile of sand and a tiny hammer and pound some sand up your a$$..

To Llpoh

Good luck down there,

stephanieneedstogochangerhertampon
stephanieneedstogochangerhertampon
March 4, 2015 7:11 pm

Some people with no opportunities can only whine and complain about others who made a conscious decision to better their future outlook.

SKINBAG
SKINBAG
March 4, 2015 7:11 pm

Yeah, must be nice. A ‘perfectly planned life’ coming to fruition. Everything has worked out so very fine for you it seems. What about the others that also planned a ‘perfect’ life plan and worked their balls off to make it all come true and then LIFE happened – An investment turned bad – a bad accident with huge hospital bills – a corporate ‘downsizing’ – illness – 401K money that mostly ‘evaporated’.”

WATCH OUT FOR THOSE DEADLY SNAKES !

SKINBAG
SKINBAG
March 4, 2015 7:17 pm

NOTHING HAS CHANGED – “IT’S EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF”

Kasserine
Kasserine
March 4, 2015 7:33 pm

Steph:

You stupid fucking troll.

Just wait until the police state has a steel baton up your ass sideways. You will wish you had had been one of the brave people you previously branded as cowards in this forum.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
March 4, 2015 7:33 pm

Wow! What a thread in a very short time ,too. Llpoh, we know you are a tough old bastard( a term of endearment) you will have to fight FSA in Austrailia as well. Wish you the best. We can tell you have earned the respect of most visitors here.

SSS
SSS
March 4, 2015 7:40 pm

Yikes. Two concessions by Admin in one thread. One on Occupy Wall Street to Llpoh (hijacked by the Left) and the other on Sketchers sneakers to me (as in “Who Gives a Shit?”). Unprecedented, TBP fans.

Fun site to visit often, except when it isn’t. Even then, it is always informative and interesting. The TBP “family” (stretching the definition of the word) makes it so. Anyway, no other site like it on the Internet. None.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
March 4, 2015 7:52 pm

Yesterday the US congress broadcast to the world that they serve a foreign government, one that prefers war to diplomacy, as long as it is the US funding and fighting them.

LLPOH is right. Fuck this country.

Didius Julianus
Didius Julianus
March 4, 2015 8:16 pm

Regarding “Skinbag” – It is truly good for Llpoh that his plans were on track or on track enough for him to realize them.

The rest of us, who planned and failed, partially failed, partially succeeded or never planned at all, well that’s life. I count myself in one of the later categories but still very fortunate. My wife and I have had numerous plans go awry but not, thank God, the ones that set us on our current course (many were decisions we made that without us knowing it at the time came together when an opportunity presented it to us and we took it instead of wondering if we should or should not). Moving to another country is not for the faint of heart and not without its difficulties but staying the course even through the shit of feeling out of place and other stuff too numerous to mention here has its benefits. It is clear Llpoh mastered steadfastness many many moons ago.

As some have said, I may wish I was in Llpoh’s shoes in some regards, but we all have where we are at this present moment to take if from here and move forward with our knowledge and resources at hand. If you don’t start where you are and go forward, you will never know where you could have ended up and may end up only wishing you “could” have, knew you “could” have and be jealous of those that did. If you try your very best and do not succeed and do it with good character, hopefully someone in a better position will take notice and take you under their wing. If not, well, you know you maintained your integrity and determination in the face of the difficulties.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
March 4, 2015 8:22 pm

Llpoh

I mean this sincerely, best of luck in your move to Aussieland. It’s a small planet and the net is making it smaller all the time so really it’s no different than if just moved across town. You will still be here at TBP daily, right? Well, I sure hope so.

I’m late in the door tonight so I hope I’m not duplicating what has been said.

AC
AC
March 4, 2015 8:44 pm

You really have to hand it to the Australians – they had the good sense to dig a giant ocean-sized trench around their country.

geo3
geo3
March 4, 2015 8:45 pm

Wish I was younger, as an old friend ex-pated to the Kangaroo isle decades ago. He was an elementary ed grad at the time there were no jobs here. Aussies were hiring and he has been there since. Interesting that they paired him with another Yank who also knew me.

I may explore Greenland, as the Midwest seems the same this winter.

Persnickety
Persnickety
March 4, 2015 9:03 pm

@llpoh, there’s one big, big detail I don’t see addressed here – maybe you just don’t want to discuss it yet, or ever, or it’s not a final choice. If you live there without renouncing US citizenship, you don’t escape the US empire’s grasp. You get to collect SS but you keep paying tax forever. You only stick it to the US if you renounce your citizenship – and even then it comes with costs. Are you planning to renounce? Or are you just another American tax-slave like most of us, just incidentally living in a sort of Texas with a funny accent?

Billah's wife
Billah's wife
March 4, 2015 9:08 pm

I have ter warn ya llpoh, Billah Jr cannot be allowed ter harvest vegetables from the doomstead garden if we are allowed in. Manys a time I been eatin a piece uh corn off the cob and it hits me like a ton uh bricks – this piece uh corn tastes like rank anus and it’s cuz Billy Jr was left alone in the kitchen. That boy kin shove a whole food pyramid up his bung hole. Eggplants, kohlrabi, medium sized pieapples – it’s disturbing on one hand but sorta amazin on the other.

Sensetti
Sensetti
March 4, 2015 9:15 pm

LLPOH I’am disappointed you did not address my above post and give me your thoughts on Australia’s inability to defend itself.

Australia is totally dependent on the United States to keep the Dragon at bay

See below

“Australia’s biggest threat is China, Australian Strategic Policy Institute report finds.

THE greatest risk to Australia’s future security is a combination of China’s frightening economic growth and the possible withdrawal from the region of a weakened United States.

A new discussion paper from the government-funded Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) out today says such a scenario would make Australia more vulnerable to “foreign aggression’’ than at any time since 1942.

“The re-emergence of China as a great power will be Australia’s greatest foreign policy challenge during the 21st century,’’ it says.
“Canberra will have to carefully balance Australia’s growing economic relationship with China and its traditional alliance with the US. The major threat to this balancing act would be if America’s fiscal problems forced it to slash defence spending and withdraw from the East Asian region.’’

http://www.news.com.au/national/australias-biggest-threat-is-china-australian-strategic-policy-institute-report-finds/story-fncynjr2-1226824729488

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
March 4, 2015 9:27 pm

Well, Loop, I certainly applaud your decision.

Now adopt me.

the tumbleweed
the tumbleweed
March 4, 2015 9:28 pm

I don’t begrudge anyone for leaving, or for choosing to stay. The fact is, each man has to pick his own strategy. And no matter what you pick, you might find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time. No way around it, you can only try to minimize the chance.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
March 4, 2015 9:28 pm

Steph, plenty of Americans retire to foreign lands, nothing cowardly about that.

Didius Julianus
Didius Julianus
March 4, 2015 9:33 pm

Hi Sensetti,

I agree that could be a problem. On the other hand, it is a matter of perspective. The greatest danger to Australia may be its willingness to allow the U.S. to use it. While it could be the China would wish to attack and occupy Australia since it is a vassal of the U.S., it might be that a more independent Australia, which has more economic and trade interests arguably with China (and the rest of east Asia and Oceania) than with the U.S., would be fine. That might also be an idealistic view so Australia needs to think about its long term interests – Is it better to be aligned as a trading partner and economic ally with China and the Asian/Oceania region say 20 to 50 years from now or to try to maintain a more U.S. facing stance during these times. Which is more sustainable long term? I am not sure, just throwing this out as the picture is more complicated than the good but coming from a certan perspective view point you referenced.

bb
bb
March 4, 2015 9:58 pm

Senitte ,I don’t understand why you would leave northern Arkansas. Beautiful mountains , mostly white people you have known all your life.You have plenty of water , food and other natural resources.You seem to have a safe place to ride out the coming storm.Why leave ?

Sensetti
Sensetti
March 4, 2015 9:59 pm

Snick says: If you live there without renouncing US citizenship, you don’t escape the US empire’s grasp

Is what I’am posting unreadable? Australia has next to no military, what do you mean escape the empires grasp? The whole of Australia is dependent upon the “US Empire” for its security.
Once the shooting starts China will occupy the Continent in short order.

bb
bb
March 4, 2015 10:01 pm

Kill Bill , I will adopt you.You ,me and little bb…….and my mom.

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 4, 2015 10:03 pm

Sensetti – few nations can fend off China. Tyranny of distance helps. But it is a risk.

Every country can be defeated. The US is being defeated from within and without. Within fifty years the US will be Hispanic.

Sensetti
Sensetti
March 4, 2015 10:07 pm

bb The United States will more than likely get hit with one or more nukes in WW3. None of the top three military powers, US, Russia, China has a reason to Nuke the land down under. That’s the reason I have considered a move outside the US mainland to places such as Australia.

bb
bb
March 4, 2015 10:12 pm

Sensetti , why would you consider relocating to Australia.? Didn’t you read what you wrote about China attacking Australia. And then there Tasmania . You have any idea what is happening in that little country. Have you been drinking?.I have .

Sensetti
Sensetti
March 4, 2015 10:24 pm

LLPOH, really Australia is a great move. Who cares if China invades! That beats walking around with radiation sickness.

Here’s the deal. Normalcy Bias always invades the conversation. Fourth Turnings ALWAYS come with war, this time will not be different!!

LLPOH it’s always a crap shoot, best of luck to you and yours. Just consider my words and leave a backdoor open in the land down under.

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bb
bb
March 4, 2015 10:25 pm

I will be in the eastern part of Tennessee or Western NC mountains. Bristol Tenn or Kingston Tennessee.Those areas are looking good for me.But if I had the money I would go to Australia or New Zealand. It’s sad we are all trying to figure out how get away from our own government.

Sensetti
Sensetti
March 4, 2015 10:27 pm

bb there’s a difference between occupying a country and destroying a country.

Sensetti
Sensetti
March 4, 2015 10:35 pm

LLPOH, correct the US, if anything is left, will be Hispanic while all of Europe will be Muslim. I could easily post those demographics but who cares.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
March 4, 2015 10:39 pm

If you really want to escape the tentacles of the Zionist US Empire, move to Iran. Friendly people, most of which speak some english, great food and some really beautiful and interesting terrain. It is also inexpensive.

Watch the empire crumble from the balcony of your very own bungalow overlooking the Caspian Sea.

Didius Julianus
Didius Julianus
March 4, 2015 10:57 pm

Fallout from the northern hemisphere is not likely to contaminate the southern very much and not too much risk of southern hemisphere nuclear targets.