Full Story on What’s Going on In Oregon – Militia Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution…

Via The Conservative Treehouse

Many people will awaken today to the news of approximately 100 to 150 armed militia taking control of a closed Wildlife Park Headquarters, and not know the full back-story – so here it is:

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The short summary is:  in an effort to draw attention to a ridiculous arrest of a father and son pair of Oregon Ranchers (“Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46,) who are scheduled to begin five year prison sentences (turning themselves in tomorrow January 4th 2016), three brothers from the Cliven Bundy family and approximately 100/150 (and growing) heavily armed militia (former U.S. service members) have taken control of Malheur Wildlife Refuge Headquarters in the wildlife reserve.  They are prepared to stay there indefinitely.

Here’s the long version: including history, details, links video(s) and explanations:

Hammond Family

Hammond Family

HISTORY: (aa) The Harney Basin (were the Hammond ranch is established) was settled in the 1870’s. The valley was settled by multiple ranchers and was known to have run over 300,000 head of cattle. These ranchers developed a state of the art irrigated system to water the meadows, and it soon became a favorite stopping place for migrating birds on their annual trek north.

(ab) In 1908 President Theodor Roosevelt, in a political scheme, create an “Indian reservation” around the Malheur, Mud & Harney Lakes and declared it “as a preserve and breeding ground for native birds”. Later this “Indian reservation” (without Indians) became the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

(a) In 1964 the Hammonds purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

(a1) By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres and stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Being approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

(a2) During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told that, “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”. 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

(a3) By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentional diverted the water to bypassing the vast meadowlands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers that once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede and now the once thriving privately owned Silvies pains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

(a4) By the 1990’s the Hammonds were one of the very few ranchers that still owned private property adjacent to the refuge. Susie Hammond in an effort to make sense of what was going on began compiling fact about the refuge. In a hidden public record she found a study that was done by the FWS in 1975. The study showed that the “no use” policies of the FWS on the refuge were causing the wildlife to leave the refuge and move to private property. The study showed that the private property adjacent to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge produced 4 times more ducks and geese than the refuge did. It also showed that the migrating birds were 13 times more likely to land on private property than on the refuge. When Susie brought this to the attention of the FWS and refuge personnel, her and her family became the subjects of a long train of abuses and corruptions.

(b) In the early 1990’s the Hammonds filed on a livestock water source and obtained a deed for the water right from the State of Oregon. When the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) found out that the Hammonds obtained new water rights near the Malhuer Wildlife Refuge, they were agitated and became belligerent and vindictive towards the Hammonds. The US Fish and Wildlife Service challenged the Hammonds right to the water in an Oregon State Circuit Court. The court found that the Hammonds legally obtained rights to the water in accordance to State law and therefore the use of the water belongs to the Hammonds.*

(c) In August 1994 the BLM & FWS illegally began building a fence around the Hammonds water source. Owning the water rights and knowing that their cattle relied on that water source daily the Hammonds tried to stop the building of the fence. The BLM & FWS called the Harney County Sheriff department and had Dwight Hammond (Father) arrested and charged with “disturbing and interfering with” federal officials or federal contractors (two counts, each a felony). He spent one night in the Deschutes County Jail in Bend, and a second night behind bars in Portland before he was hauled before a federal magistrate and released without bail. A hearing on the charges was postponed and the federal judge never set another date.

(d) The FWS also began restricting access to upper pieces of the Hammond’s private property. In order to get to the upper part of the Hammond’s ranch they had to go on a road that went through the Malhuer Wildlife Refuge. The FWS began barricading the road and threatening the Hammonds if they drove through it. The Hammonds removed the barricades and gates and continued to use their right of access. The road was proven later to be owned by the County of Harney. This further enraged the BLM & FWS.

(e) Shortly after the road & water disputes, the BLM & FWS arbitrarily revoked the Hammond’s upper grazing permit without any given cause, court proceeding or court ruling. As a traditional “fence out state” Oregon requires no obligation on the part of an owner to keep his or her livestock within a fence or to maintain control over the movement of the livestock. The Hammonds intended to still use their private property for grazing. However, they were informed that a federal judge ruled, in a federal court, that the federal government did not have to observe the Oregon fence out law. “Those laws are for the people, not for them”.

(f) The Hammonds were forced to either build and maintain miles of fences or be restricted from the use of their private property. Cutting their ranch in almost half, they could not afford to fence the land, so the cattle were removed.

(g) The Hammonds experienced many years of financial hardship due to the ranch being diminished. The Hammonds had to sale their ranch and home in order to purchase another property that had enough grass to feed their cattle. This property included two grazing rights on public land. Those were also arbitrarily revoked later.

(h) The owner of the Hammond’s original ranch passed away from a heart attack and the Hammonds made a trade for the ranch back.

(i) In the early fall of 2001, Steven Hammond (Son) called the fire department, informing them that he was going to be performing a routine prescribed burn on their ranch. Later that day he started a prescribed fire on their private property. The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves. There was no communication about the burn from the federal government to the Hammonds at that time. Prescribed fires are a common method that Native Americans and ranchers have used in the area to increase the health & productivity of the land for many centuries.

(j) In 2006 a massive lightning storm started multiple fires that joined together inflaming the countryside. To prevent the fire from destroying their winter range and possibly their home, Steven Hammond (Son) started a backfire on their private property. The backfire was successful in putting out the lightning fires that had covered thousands of acres within a short period of time. The backfire saved much of the range and vegetation needed to feed the cattle through the winter. Steven’s mother, Susan Hammond said: “The backfire worked perfectly, it put out the fire, saved the range and possibly our home”.

(j1) The next day federal agents went to the Harney County Sheriff’s office and filled a police report making accusation against Dwight and Steven Hammond for starting the backfire. A few days after the backfire a Range-Con from the Burns District BLM office asked Steven if he would meet him in town (Frenchglen) for coffee. Steven accepted. When leaving he was arrested by the Harney County Sheriff Dave Glerup and BLM Ranger Orr. Sheriff Glerup then ordered him to go to the ranch and bring back his father. Both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined that the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.

(k) In 2011, 5 years after the police report was taken, the U.S. Attorney Office accused Dwight and Steven Hammond of completely different charges, they accused them of being “Terrorist” under the Federal Antiterrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. This act carries a minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum sentence of death. Dwight & Steven’s mug shots were all over the news the next week posing them as “Arsonists”. Susan Hammond (Wife & Mother) said: “I would walk down the street or go in a store, people I had known for years would take extreme measures to avoid me”.

(l) Shortly after the sentencing, Capital Press ran a story about the Hammonds. A person who identified as Greg Allum posted three comments on the article, calling the ranchers “clowns” who endangered firefighters and other people in the area while burning valuable rangeland. Greg Allum, a retired BLM heavy equipment operator, soon called Capital Press to complain that he had not made those comments and request that they be taken down from the website. Capital Press removed the comments. A search of the Internet Protocol address associated with the comments revealed it is owned by the BLM’s office in Denver, Colorado. Allum said, he is friends with the Hammonds and was alerted to the comments by neighbors who knew he wouldn’t have written them. “I feel bad for them. They lost a lot and they’re going to lose more,” Allum said of the ranchers. “They’re not terrorists. There’s this hatred in the BLM for them, and I don’t get it,” The retired BLM employee said. Jody Weil, deputy state director for communications at BLM’s Oregon office, indicated to reporters that if one of their agents falsified the comments, they would keep it private and not inform the public.

(m) In September 2006, Dwight & Susan Hammond’s home was raided. The agents informed the Hammonds that they were looking for evidence that would connect them to the fires. The Hammonds later found out that a boot print and a tire tracks were found near one of the many fires. No matching boots or tires were found in the Hammonds home or on their property. Susan Hammond (Wife) later said; ” I have never felt so violated in my life. We are ranchers not criminals”. Steven Hammond openly maintains his testimony that he started the backfire to save the winter grass from being destroyed and that the backfire ended up working so well it put out the fire entirely altogether.

(n) During the trial proceedings, Federal Court Judge Michael Hogan did not allow time for certain testimonies and evidence into the trail that would exonerate the Hammonds. Federal prosecuting attorney, Frank Papagni, was given full access for 6 days. He had ample time to use any evidence or testimony that strengthened the demonization of the Hammonds. The Hammonds attorney was only allowed 1 day. Much of the facts about the fires, land and why the Hammonds acted the way they did was not allowed into the proceedings and was not heard by the jury. For example, Judge Hogan did not allow time for the jury to hear or review certified scientific findings that the fires improved the health and productivity of the land. Or, that the Hammonds had been subject to vindictive behavior by multiple federal agencies for years.

(o) Federal attorneys, Frank Papagni, hunted down a witness that was not mentally capable to be a credible witness. Dusty Hammond (grandson and nephew) testified that Steven told him to start a fire. He was 13 at the time and 24 when he testified (11 years later). At 24 Dusty had been suffering with mental problems for many years. He had estranged his family including his mother. Judge Hogan noted that Dusty’s memories as a 13-year-old boy were not clear or credible. He allowed the prosecution to continually use Dusty’s testimony anyway. When speaking to the Hammonds about this testimony, they understood that Dusty was manipulated and expressed nothing but love for their troubled grandson.

(p) Judge Michael Hogan & Frank Papagni tampered with the jury many times throughout the proceedings, including during the selection process. Hogan & Papagni only allowed people on the jury who did not understand the customs and culture of the ranchers or how the land is used and cared for in the Diamond Valley. All of the jurors had to drive back and forth to Pendleton everyday. Some drove more than two hours each way. By day 8 they were exhausted and expressed desires to be home.

On the final day, Judge Hogan kept pushing them to make a verdict. Several times during deliberation, Judge Hogan pushed them to make a decision. Judge Hogan also would not allow the jury to hear what punishment could be imposed upon an individual that has convicted as a terrorist under the 1996 act. The jury, not understanding the customs and cultures of the area, influenced by the prosecutors for 6 straight days, very exhausted, pushed for a verdict by the judge, unaware of the ramification of convicting someone as a terrorist, made a verdict and went home.

(q) June 22, 2012, Dwight and Steven were found guilty of starting both the 2001 and the 2006 fires by the jury. However, the federal courts convicted them both as “Terrorist” under the 1996 Antiterrorism Act. Judge Hogan sentenced Dwight (Father) to 3 months in prison and Steven (son) to 12 months in federal prison. They were also stipulated to pay $400,000 to the BLM. Hogan overruling the minimum terrorist sentence, commenting that if the full five years were required it would be a violation of the 8th amendment (cruel and unusual punishment). The day of the sentencing Judge Hogan retired as a federal judge. In his honor the staff served chocolate cake in the courtroom.

(r) On January 4,, 2013, Dwight and Steven reported to prison. They fulfilled their sentences, (Dwight 3 months, Steven 12 months). Dwight was released in March 2013 and Steven, January 2014.

(s) Sometime in June 2014, Rhonda Karges, Field Manager for the BLM, and her husband Chad Karges, Refuge Manager for the Malheur Wildlife Refuge (which surrounds the Hammond ranch), along with attorney Frank Papagni exemplifying further vindictive behavior by filing an appeal with the 9th District Federal Court seeking Dwight’s and Steven’s return to federal prison for the entire 5 years.*

(t) In October 2015, the 9th District Court “resentenced” Dwight and Steven, requiring them to return to prison for several more years. Steven (46) has a wife and 3 children. Dwight (74) will leave Susan (74) to be alone after 55 years of marriage. If he survives, he will be 79 when he is released.

(u) During the court preceding the Hammonds were forced to grant the BLM first right of refusal. If the Hammonds ever sold their ranch they would have to sell it to the BLM.

(v) Dwight and Steven are ordered to report to federal prison again on January 4th, 2016 to begin their re-sentencing. Both their wives will have to manage the ranch for several years without them.

To date they have paid $200,000 to the BLM, and the remainder $200,000 must be paid before the end of this year (2015). If the Hammonds cannot pay the fines to the BLM, they will be forced to sell the ranch to the BLM or face further prosecution. (more citations here)

Hammond Family

Hammond Family

Now you can watch this video where Ammon Bundy responds to why he and his brothers are involved. (This was recorded two days ago on Jan 1st):

After a protest rally supporting the Hammond family yesterday, a pre-planned group, including the Bundy Brothers, left a peaceful protest at the Harney County Sheriffs Office and went to the closed (for holiday) Malheur Wildlife Refuge, where they have seized and occupied the refuge headquarters.

Statement from Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward:

“After the peaceful rally was completed today, a group of outside militants drove to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge, where they seized and occupied the refuge headquarters. A collective effort from multiple agencies is currently working on a solution. For the time being please stay away from that area. More information will be provided as it becomes available. Please maintain a peaceful and united front and allow us to work through this situation.” (link)

Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Headquarters

Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Headquarters

(Via Oregon Live) […] The Bundy family of Nevada joined with hard-core militiamen Saturday to take over the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, vowing to occupy the remote federal outpost 50 miles southeast of Burns for years.

The occupation came shortly after an estimated 300 marchers — militia and local citizens both — paraded through Burns to protest the prosecution of two Harney County ranchers, Dwight Hammond Jr. and Steven Hammond, who are to report to prison on Monday.

Among the occupiers is Ammon Bundy, son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, and two of his brothers. Militia members at the refuge claimed they had as many as 100 supporters with them. The refuge, federal property managed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, was closed and unoccupied for the holiday weekend.

In phone interviews from inside the occupied building Saturday night, Ammon Bundy and his brother, Ryan Bundy, said they are not looking to hurt anyone. But they would not rule out violence if police tried to remove them, they said.

“The facility has been the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds,” Ammon Bundy said.

“We’re planning on staying here for years, absolutely,” he added. “This is not a decision we’ve made at the last minute.” (more)

Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is located roughly south of the town of Burns, Oregon. The refuge area is roughly T shaped with the southernmost base at Frenchglen, the left top at Malheur Lake and the right top at Harney Lake.

Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is located roughly south of the town of Burns, Oregon. The refuge area is roughly T shaped with the southernmost base at Frenchglen, the left top at Malheur Lake and the right top at Harney Lake.

A letter dated January 1st outlines the position of the Bundy brothers, as well as the 150+ in the Militia as it relates to the Hammond family:

With great concern and love and much consideration from prayer, I come to you Harney County Sheriff of Oregon David M. Ward, rancher Steven Dwight Hammond, and rancher Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr.,

I, Cliven D. Bundy, have been involved for several weeks in the background striving to understand and comprehend your dilemmas in Harney County, Oregon. I understand that the grass that was burnt on each side of the fence was grazing rights that had been created through beneficial use, one side of the fence being private property and the other side of the fence being private property rights. The fires that were set were for a good purpose and had good results.

The United States Justice Department has NO jurisdiction or authority within the State of Oregon, County of Harney over this type of ranch management. These lands are not under U.S. treaties or commerce, they are not article 4 territories, and Congress does not have unlimited power. These lands have been admitted into statehood and are part of the great State of Oregon and the citizens of Harney County enjoy the fullness of the protections of the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution limits United States government.

It is my suggestion, Steven Hammond, that you go and check yourself into Harney County jail asking for protective custody. It is my suggestion, Dwight Hammond, that you go and check yourself into Harney County jail asking for protective custody. It is my suggestion, Harney County Sheriff David Ward, accept these two ranchers into your jail, notify the United States Solicitor in Washington DC that you have these two ranchers in Harney County jail, that they will remain there indefinitely under your protective custody and the protection of We the People of Harney County and We the People of the United States of America.

I suggest an Evidentiary Hearing or a Grand Jury be formed by We the People.

I feel that this action is immediately important, that it should be taken place before 10:00 am Saturday, January 2, 2016. I will hold these suggestions private until that time then I will release this letter to those having state and county jurisdiction and to the media.

Cliven D. Bundy (LINK)

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Prayers for everyone !

References:

♦ Full Facts On Hammond Case HERE

♦ BEST Local Reporter Twitter Feed HERE

♦ Oregon Live Article HERE

♦ Bundy Ranch Facebook HERE

♦ Bundy Ranch Website HERE

♦ Malhuer National Wildlife Refuge – Resource HERE

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Hollow man
Hollow man
January 4, 2016 11:55 am

Well they certainly look the part. Lol. Just shows who the real terrorists are. The governmentt, muslims, inner city gangs. Us poor white folk days are numbered

OutLookingIn
OutLookingIn
January 4, 2016 12:00 pm

Land “grabbing” bureaucratic “little Hitlers” expanding and protecting their fiefdoms.

Government is a societal cancer. It NEVER gets smaller without being :forced to by the people.

Taxation by government is NEVER reduced except when forced to by the people, or used as a “bribe” by crooked politicians who NEVER keep their promises to the people.

Excessive governmental regulatory cancer and taxation without representation are both a governmental “disease” which require removal by the legal surgery of the people, for the people’s benefit.

To paraphrase JFK, when legal government opposition demonstrations are declared “illegal” and the people’s voices ignored, often the ONLY avenue left is force.

Let the “government” reap what they have sowed.

Dutchman
Dutchman
January 4, 2016 12:03 pm

He said / they said….. this is so fucked up – no way to figure it out.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 4, 2016 12:18 pm

I understand the building is/was an empty building.

Assuming this is right I suppose it would make sense for the government to make a military assault on it to regain control of that building.

And show what kind of people work in Federal law enforcement as well.

Suzanna
Suzanna
January 4, 2016 12:24 pm

Oh boy,
Isn’t it clear as a bell that the Fed gov wants these lands
to fall under Fed ownership and management and wants
these ranchers gone?

The terrorist label and the imprisonment of these men is
to serve as a warning and threat to any others in the area.
The fine imposed is just enough financial punishment to
make any profit null and void. Clearly, the imprisonment
and fine are designed to bankrupt the family, and force them
out.

I don’t think these ranchers will prevail and preserve their
property rights. The Fed can and will use any means to
destroy these people. David v Goliath many times over.
Maybe a miracle will occur?

I have read that “the plan” is to remove most/all private property
rights from the people over time. The big ranches out west are
just the beginning. They will never leave us alone. They want
us dead and gone.

Suzanna
Suzanna
January 4, 2016 12:28 pm

Dutchman,

The videos and text were clear, why is there a problem
figuring things out? You either don’t care or …. you are
on the wrong side.

drm
drm
January 4, 2016 1:03 pm

Even if this entire history is 100% true, and I’m not grating that it is, an armed takeover is the worst possible way to respond. All it guarantees is that most people will be against you. The civil rights movement in the 1960s involved both armed activists and nonviolent people who thought more deeply about their strategy. Which do you think worked better?

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 4, 2016 1:11 pm

drm

Yeah, much better to just go along with things without doing anything to upset the overlords.

Maybe they will leave you alone if you do, or at least put you off till last anyway.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 4, 2016 1:17 pm

MSM needs to investigate the armed takeover of Eric Holder ROTC building in collage. .How were all charges dropped ?How did he manage to become Att General Was there hostages?Was he affiliated with B Panthers?

I. C.
I. C.
January 4, 2016 1:41 pm

Suzanna wrote, “They will never leave us alone. They want us dead and gone.”

Some of us ‘get it’. A lesser group wants to reciprocate — but that lesser group is growing.

bb
bb
January 4, 2016 1:42 pm

Sorry to say but wrong fight , wrong way to fight , wrong time to fight.. If they live through this they will still be sent to prison and lose their land .Got to be a better way.

drm
drm
January 4, 2016 2:09 pm

No anonymous. It is not better to just go along. Did you even read what I said? The example I gave is not of people who just went along with their overlords.

To some of you, this may be “clear”, but to many of us it is not. We see lots of people making false accusations all the time. Conspiracy theories run rampant. So you need to make and prove your case to those who do not have the same experience. And seizing buildings and pointing guns at law enforcement, especially these days, is not the way to do that.

Constman54
Constman54
January 4, 2016 2:17 pm

Where is your line? How many times have you moved it? When will you stop moving your line? We have all done it and continue to do it.

Pretty soon there will be no line to move and they will be standing at your door with cuffs.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
January 4, 2016 2:18 pm

Take a look at a satellite image of the refuge. It’s multiple buildings spread out within rifle range of each other. Simply storming the place will be no easy task. I have a National Wildlife Refuge near me and the buildings are typically closed and winterized in winter so this complex may be without water unless the militia guys find the valve to turn it on.

I’ve read several in depth stories about this deal. The Hammonds are getting fucked if the reports are accurate and have been getting fucked for decades. That being said, they apparently are not willing to go to the same lengths the militia appears to be willing to go. That puts armed militia action in my mind a bridge too far. I would think that there should be some other method short of armed takeover to be heard.

The feds like to BBQ people like the militiamen in these situations and they don’t even care if it’s on live teevee. Reports seem to indicate that one or more known or suspected fed provocateurs have infiltrated these militiamen and this could be a set up. Whether that’s true or not, these guys will do more harm than good when it comes gun control. The govt and govt controlled media will spin this to their maximum advantage and we’ll all lose.

If they feds really want to ramp shit up they ought to make another move on the Bundy ranch this week. If I was the Bundy chirren, that’s exactly why I would have stayed close to home.

What was that saying about living in interesting times?

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
January 4, 2016 2:21 pm

From Oath Keepers:

“We cannot force ourselves or our protection on people who do not want it. Dwight and Steven Hammond have made it clear, through their attorney, that they just want to turn themselves in and serve out their sentence. And that clear statement of their intent should be the end of the discussion on this. No patriot group or individual has the right or the authority to force an armed stand off on this family, or around them, against their wishes. You cannot help someone who does not want your help, and who are not willing and ready to take a hard stand themselves.”

nkit
nkit
January 4, 2016 2:22 pm

Montel Williams says National Guard should shoot to kill… Sherrif says militia doesn’t care about Hammonds

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-04/montel-williams-calls-shoot-kill-oregon-showdown-militiamen-respond-they-are-ready-f

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
January 4, 2016 2:26 pm

I don’t know if taking over this building will offer any solution, but good grief is this not bureaucracy run amok? And I don’t get how the BLM could appeal a sentence like this. Was the judge who allowed it smoking crack?

Persnickety
Persnickety
January 4, 2016 2:29 pm

“I’ve read several in depth stories about this deal. The Hammonds are getting fucked if the reports are accurate and have been getting fucked for decades. That being said, they apparently are not willing to go to the same lengths the militia appears to be willing to go. That puts armed militia action in my mind a bridge too far. I would think that there should be some other method short of armed takeover to be heard. ”

Yes, yes, and yes. The Hammonds are totally victims here, but don’t seem to have ANYTHING to do with the “militia” actions.

The thing reminds me, in the dumbest possible way, of John Brown’s raid on Harpers Ferry, 1859.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 4, 2016 2:34 pm

Westcoaster,

Taking over the building has at least brought it to public attention in place of being swept under the rug as it was before.

What the public does about it may turn out to be another story, but at least they won’t be able to say they didn’t know about it.

nkit
nkit
January 4, 2016 2:37 pm

I’m seeing this as a bunch of people that are fed up with the tyranny of the BLM. The BLM actually administers or owns 247.3 million acres, or one eighth of the country. It’s Office of Law Enforcement and Security functions as a federal law enforcement agency of the U.S. government.

The BLM is part of that worthless, bloated Dept. of the Interior which should be done away with. The land they hoard should belong to the individual states. Why do we need the federal government controlling the acreage and resources within the states?

Dutchman
Dutchman
January 4, 2016 3:05 pm

It’s stupid. The Hammonds were stupid to not to sell and just go somewhere else. All they did was waste their lives, trying to go against the force of the US government.

There is a time to draw a line in the sand – but with all the jurisdictions – and overlapping rules / regulations – I know all bullshit – but that’s a complete can of worms.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
January 4, 2016 3:28 pm

I was trying to find the source for something I read last night but cannot locate it.

It seems that a known or suspected fed provocateur had ingratiated themselves to Cliven Bundy by attending church with him etc and it is this person and possibly another who “convinced” the BUndy chirren to take up this cause.

I have no idea if it’s true.

If the militiamen are truly fighting to defend the constitution as they claim, can they defend their current actions with the same document?

As it stands now, because of their actions, no one can visit that NWR including researchers involved in long term studies or SSS and his wife traveling the country enjoying their retirement. The militia has no legs to stand on here. The only way they leave is in cuffs or in body bags. Perhaps the Bundy chirren need to heed their fathers advice to the Hammond’s and turn themselves into the county sheriff to avoid being killed by a bunch of feds? The feds are not going to be happy spending the next few weeks or months freezing their asses off dealing with them. I’ve been there. It’s a stark and brutal environment out in the middle of nowhere. Feds like climate controlled environments with amenities.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
January 4, 2016 3:34 pm

I’d be willing to bet that the Bundy chirren are going to read about the takeover of their own family ranch and even the eventual death of the father from a deep dark federal hole somewhere. Sad.

ottomatik
ottomatik
January 4, 2016 4:30 pm

It’s possible they don’t give a fuck what anyone posts on the internet about their stand.
It’s their line, they obviously drew it.
The location was hand picked, centered at the heart of the controversy, devoid of innocent by-standards. Clearly a lot of thought and planning went into this, I am sure all have made peace with the likely fiery end game scenario.
I certainly do not know enough about the details of the situation to make a value judgement, but they have balls, big brass ones, on display. A condition not often seen these days.

Archie
Archie
January 4, 2016 5:18 pm

The corrupt and anti white guberment is of course capable of incinerating these wonderful lads. But to compare this scenario to Waco is a bit misplaced in my opinion. If I recall correctly, the Waco folks were painted by the Zionist media as religious nut jobs. It worked and no one cared. Janet Reno was manipulated into giving the go ahead to the mass murder. (Can you imagine if they were some whacky jewish sect? It would have been another holocaust! Never again!)

I don’t think the Feds and their media lackeys can pull it off this time. These are just pissed off white men with guns, the scariest sight imaginable to our pussified leadership. Do you really think the national guard or some other criminal gang within the alphabet soup of guberment will kill them all? I don’t. But if so, the “optics” would be horrendous for said leadership. I think they will let things simmer down and maybe lessen the bullshit charge against the Hammond duo as a compromise.

In any case, I would urge TBPers to go to liberal websites on this issue. The bloodthirsty liberals want the whole lot exterminated by and large. They are psychos, and worthy of straitjackets, if not work camps. A goodly number of them are on anti depressants. I know. I grew up with them, dated them, and have them in my fucked up family. Liberals are impervious to logic, reason, history and anything else you can think of. Republicans by the way are just as stupid on certain topics. Do not engage any of them in debate unless you like, for example, the feeling of running your car over your torso.

Peaceout
Peaceout
January 4, 2016 5:41 pm

This story reminds me of a show that is currently playing on Netflix called ‘Making a Murderer’ which is about how county and state officials railroad a pair of family members into a murder conviction to avoid being held accountable for their own wrong doings. They completely destroyed these men’s lives. If you haven’t seen it, you should, you will feel outrage towards our judicial system that you have not felt before and you will lose trust that fairness for all people will ever be realized.
This Hammonds situation is a totally different story but it basically has the same elements of a lack of due process, impartiality, common sense and fairness that ‘Making a Murderer’ story has. Whoever heard of a man having to go back to prison twice for the same crime because somebody decides they weren’t in there long enough? Is this vindictive and obviously done to force the family to turn the land over to the BLM? Of course. Is there a reason the Hammonds land can’t cohabitate with the BLM lands? Of course not. This just a straight up power grab because the Hammonds refused to go along to get along.
Pathetic. Good on the patriots for making a stand and drawing attention to blatant story of the Federal Government over running, chewing up and spitting out the common man with no consequence.

kokoda
kokoda
January 4, 2016 5:45 pm

Godd people being done monetary and physical harm by our ‘beneficial’ government; scratch that, we have a terrorist government.

The EPA pulls similar Nazi tactics against the citizens.

Wonder why any intelligent person distrusts our government, since it is NOT for the people and by the people.

rbt137
rbt137
January 4, 2016 7:13 pm

I had no idea king george

was/is a local judge named hogan.

never forget, king george was the law at one time
(((it is people like hogan & the prosecutor & BLM that make “the law”
absolutely meaningless)))

hogan should have his map (face) and his address published.

between hogan & ovomit, (out of control government) there will be a run on pitchforks.

AKAnon
AKAnon
January 4, 2016 7:16 pm

Regardless of how you feel about their tactic, motives, morals, etc., one undeniable take-away is that the militia would have been unable to do this without their own firearms. Same with Bundy part 1. So much for those folks that say 2nd Amendment is irrelevant in the 21st century-“the Gov’t has too much firepower to fight back”. Power may come from the muzzle of a gun, but so does resistance.

iconoclast421
iconoclast421
January 4, 2016 7:40 pm

I get the feeling we are not being told the whole story. This stinks of bribery and corruption. What would the IRS find if they audited the Karges and other unsavory characters in the BLM?

underfire
underfire
January 4, 2016 8:35 pm

(Black) Montel Williams says National Guard should shoot to kill…those protesting, with a legitimate grievance…. re incarceration of five years for failure to keep a burn contained.

Does he also think shoot to kill is an appropriate response against the flash mobs that seize, rob and destroy private property on a regular basis? Who’s only motivation is to loot and destroy.

What can you say. The black bigoted mind defies any attempt at logic.

Suzanna
Suzanna
January 4, 2016 11:32 pm

Now there are more reports about why the BLM has
been playing foul ball to evict the remaining ranchers.

The minerals and gas and uranium? under the ground,
that is what the gov. wants. And if they do want it, they
will take it. The Hammonds have been ruined already,
and if they are forced to sell, it will go to gov anyway.
Gov got them to sign a first right of refusal agreement.

I don’t know what the Bundy brothers et al can do about it.
Taking that federal building may be a poor idea. The gov
will take that building back if they choose to. I dread the
idea of that. I hope nobody gets hurt. I am thinking they
ought to say sorry and go home. Or, they will dig in.
Hammonds apparently said they are not involved.

Unfortunately, gov. will take anyone’s land if they want to.
Heck, they take whole countries.

Montel Williams? What a nerve. He has no right to say,
“shoot to kill.” What an ass.

Dutchman, sorry I was so rude, really, please forgive me.

Suzanna
Suzanna
January 4, 2016 11:47 pm

change of topic/sorry

found this/”Where is the media outrage?”

http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=35024

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 5, 2016 6:05 am

Not only ranchers but gold miners claims