THE OLD MAN AND THE SEA – 2011

Written in September 2011 when I still believed the country could be saved. My passion has dimmed considerably over the last five years. Libertarianism does not work during a Fourth Turning. Maybe after the death and destruction wrought by those in control, people will come to their senses. And maybe not.

 

 

“The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists.” Ernest Hemingway

“Though the Federal Reserve policy harms the average American, it benefits those in a position to take advantage of the cycles in monetary policy. The main beneficiaries are those who receive access to artificially inflated money and/or credit before the inflationary effects of the policy impact the entire economy. Federal Reserve policies also benefit big spending politicians who use the inflated currency created by the Fed to hide the true costs of the welfare-warfare state.” Ron Paul

Ernest Hemingway and Ron Paul never met. Ron Paul was completing medical school in 1961 when Hemingway committed suicide at his home in Idaho. I think they would have hit it off. I stumbled across the quote from Hemingway above. Those words could have come directly out of the mouth of Ron Paul. Both men spent their whole lives seeking the truth and presenting their ideas in a blunt straightforward manner. Hemingway is one of the most renowned writers in American history, with classics such as A Farewell to Arms, For Whom the Bell Tolls, and The Sun Also Rises to his credit.

He won the Nobel Prize for literature in 1954. He constructed a new literary style characterized by lean, hard, sparse dialogue. He influenced literature and young authors for decades. As a teenager I was immediately drawn to his gritty realistic novels. There was no nonsense to his novels. They always involved man’s struggle against death and hardship. Most of his best work was done in the 1920s and 1930s, but he produced one of his finest works in 1951 towards the end of his life. Hemingway won the Pulitzer Prize for his story about an epic battle between an old man and a great marlin.

Ernest Hemingway was bigger than life. Hemingway’s real life reads like a Stephen Spielberg Indiana Jones movie. He was an ambulance driver in World War I, where he was seriously wounded. He had four wives. He lived in Paris during the 1920s associating with other famous “Lost Generation” writers. He was a correspondent during the Spanish Civil War and World War II, while also joining in the fighting. He survived two plane crashes and multiple car accidents. He battled alcoholism and mental illness, eventually taking his own life, just as his father, brother and sister had done before him. His novels reflected the pain, struggle and inevitability of death that permeated his own life.

The Old Man and the Sea is a novel about Santiago, an old fisherman whose life is approaching its conclusion, and his final heroic struggle against a great marlin and the evil sharks that ultimately devour his prize. The mark of a great writer is the ability to tell a story that means many things to many people. Hemingway described his aim in writing this novel:

“No good book has ever been written that has in it symbols arrived at beforehand and stuck in. … I tried to make a real old man, a real boy, a real sea and a real fish and real sharks. But if I made them good and true enough they would mean many things.”

His novels always had a gritty reality to them. This particular novel is rich with symbolism and life lessons that are timeless and relevant today. The plot of the story is quite basic, but the character analysis reveals much deeper insights. For eighty-four days, Santiago, an aged Cuban fisherman, has set out to sea and returned empty-handed. So strikingly unlucky is he that the parents of his young, devoted apprentice and friend, Manolin, have forced the boy to leave the old man in order to fish in a more prosperous boat. On the eighty-fifth day he decides to sail far into the Gulf Stream past where most fishermen would dare venture alone. A big fish, which he knows is a marlin, takes the bait that Santiago has placed one hundred fathoms deep in the waters. The old man expertly hooks the fish, but he cannot pull it in. Instead, the fish begins to pull the boat.

Unable to tie the line fast to the boat for fear the fish would snap a taut line, the old man bears the strain of the line with his shoulders, back, and hands, ready to give slack should the marlin make a run. The great fish pulls the boat for two straight days. The entire time, Santiago endures constant pain from the fishing line. Whenever the fish lunges, leaps, or makes a dash for freedom, the cord cuts Santiago badly. Although wounded and weary, the old man feels a deep empathy and admiration for the marlin, his brother in suffering, strength, and resolve. On the third day, the fish tires and Santiago is able to kill him with his harpoon. He lashes it to the side of the boat and begins the long journey home.

As Santiago navigates toward his destination, the marlin’s blood leaves a trail in the water and attracts sharks. The first to attack is a great mako shark, which Santiago manages to slay with the harpoon. In the struggle, the old man loses the harpoon, which leaves him vulnerable to more shark attacks. The vicious predator sharks continuously attack Santiago’s trophy and despite killing several of the sharks, his battle became ultimately hopeless. He fights a gallant fight, revealing man’s finest qualities of bravery, confidence, courage, patience, optimism, and intelligence during the struggle.

The scavengers devour the marlin’s precious meat, leaving only skeleton, head, and tail. Santiago chastises himself for going “out too far,” and for sacrificing his great and worthy opponent. He arrives home before daybreak, stumbles back to his shack, and sleeps very deeply. The next morning, a crowd of amazed fishermen gathers around the skeletal carcass of the fish, which is still lashed to the boat. Manolin, who had been worried sick over the old man’s absence, is moved to tears when he finds Santiago safe in his bed. The boy fetches the old man some coffee and the daily papers with the baseball scores, and watches him sleep. When the old man awakens, the two agree to fish as partners once more. The old man returns to sleep and dreams his usual dream of lions at play on the beaches of Africa.

Sadness, resignation and the inevitability of death permeate the pages of this brilliant novel. But it is grace under pressure in the face of overwhelming odds that is the true message Hemingway leaves with the reader. There is no avoiding death, but the critical test of mankind is how you live your life and how you endure the suffering and pain that are inflicted upon you.

The Honor in Struggle, Defeat & Death

“But man is not made for defeat,” he said. “A man can be destroyed but not defeated.” –  Ernest Hemingway, The Old Man and the Sea 

“It is good to have an end to journey toward; but it is the journey that matters, in the end.” – Ernest Hemingway

Life is a journey. At the end of every worldly journey, death awaits. That is a certainty. The ending will be the same for everyone who walks this earth. What matters is the course chosen on the voyage through life. The vast sea represents life’s journey, with its ebbs, flows, and storms that must be navigated. In Hemingway’s portrait of the world, death is inevitable, but the finest men will nonetheless refuse to give in to its power.  In both the sea and in life, there are a number of possibilities that lie hidden from the common eye; some are gifts to be treasured and some are problems to be defeated.

Neither will be found unless man embarks upon the journey. If man is lucky enough to discover a treasure he must fight until death to retain it; if man is unlucky enough to discover an evil lurking underneath the surface of the sea, he must fight it bravely and nobly until the end. In either case, it is the struggle that is all- important, and a man obtains the status of hero if he battles the sea (life) with grace under pressure. The only way to obtain the status of hero is to set sail on the uncertain sea of life.

Ron Paul, trained as a doctor in the early 1960s, served his country as an Air Force flight surgeon from 1963 through 1968 during the Vietnam War. He’s been married for 54 years and has raised five children. He has delivered 4,000 babies during his medical career, while routinely providing free care to poor patients and refusing to accept Medicare or Medicaid payments. He has also refused to accept a government pension, seeing it as immoral and hypocritical. He could have spent his life running his medical practice, playing by government mandated rules, and becoming a multi-millionaire. Instead he chose to embark on an uncertain journey into the sea of Washington politics.

He decided to begin his struggle against tyranny, big government and currency debasement by the Federal Reserve on August 15, 1971. While still a medical resident during the 1960s, Paul was influenced by Friedrich Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom, which led him to read many publications by Ludwig von Mises. He became acquainted with economists Hans Sennholz and Murray Rothbard, and credits them with his interest in the study of economics. He came to believe what the Austrian school economists wrote was confirmed when President Richard Nixon “closed the gold window” by implementing the U.S. dollar’s complete departure from the gold standard. On that day, the young physician decided to enter the rough treacherous seas of politics, saying later, “After that day, all money would be political money rather than money of real value.”

Winning and losing are not what is important in life, as we all will lose out to death in the end. It is the honor gained during the struggle that matters. It’s the legacy we leave for future generations. Did we fight the good fight, or did we sit idly by while life passed by? Did your life mean something to someone? You can stay safely on the shore or you can jump into your skiff and sail into the deep water and conquer your marlin.

Both Santiago and the marlin display qualities of pride, honor, and courage, and both are subject to the same eternal law: they must kill or be killed. As Santiago reflects when he observes the weary warbler fly toward shore, where it will inescapably meet the hawk, the world is filled with marauders, and no living thing can escape the unavoidable struggle that will lead to its demise. Man and fish will struggle to the death, just as ravenous sharks will ravage an old man’s prize catch.

Ron Paul chose to join the struggle in 1976 when he was elected a Congressman from Texas for the first time. His years in Washington have been a never ending struggle against corruption, the military industrial complex, and the Federal Reserve currency manipulators. He has been a lone fisherman fighting for truth and liberty for over three decades. We are all pulled by our own individual marlins.

Ron Paul has endured scorn and derision, much like Santiago endured from the other fishermen after going eighty four days without a catch. He has always stayed focused on the important issues that have led to the relentless decline of the American Empire: liberty versus security, freedom versus government control, and sound money versus persistent Federal Reserve created inflation. He has fought forces within his own party and in the opposition party. Despite fighting this battle alone for decades and being bloodied and battered, he has never given up the fight.

Hemingway’s novel suggests that it is possible to transcend natural law. The very inescapability of destruction creates the terms that allow an admirable man to rise above it. It is specifically through the endeavor to combat the inevitable that a man can prove himself. Indeed, a man can prove this resolve over and over through the worthiness of the adversary he chooses to fight. Santiago, though devastated at the end of the novel, is never defeated. Instead, he emerges as a dignified conqueror. Santiago’s struggle does not enable him to change man’s position in the world. Rather, it enables him to meet his most noble destiny.

After toiling fruitlessly for decades in the corrupt halls of Congress, surrounded by sharks, scorned by the corporate mainstream media pundits, and ignored by a public that has chosen security and delusions of credit based wealth over freedom and personal responsibility, Ron Paul chose to take on his greatest challenge – seeking the Presidency of the United States. The odds were overwhelmingly against him in 2008 and they are again in 2012.

He is 76 years old and has every right to be sitting on his porch in Lake Jackson, Texas enjoying the twilight years of his life. He is driven by his sense of duty to future generations of our once great country. Even though deep in his heart he knows this struggle will end in defeat, he endures. He will continue to spread his message of liberty, freedom, sound money and an optimism that has attracted millions of young people to his worldview. Like Santiago, Ron Paul is determined to show “what a man can do and what a man endures.”

Pride as the Source of Greatness & Determination

“His choice had been to stay in the deep dark water far out beyond all snares and traps and treacheries. My choice was to go there to find him beyond all people. Beyond all people in the world. Now we are joined together and have been since noon. And no one to help either one of us.”Ernest Hemingway, The Old Man and the Sea 

“The original American patriots were those individuals brave enough to resist with force the oppressive power of King George. I accept the definition of patriotism as that effort to resist oppressive state power. The true patriot is motivated by a sense of responsibility and out of self-interest for himself, his family, and the future of his country” – Ron Paul

The reason Santiago ventured into the deep waters of the Gulf, far past where a lesser fisherman would dare endeavor, was pride. It wasn’t the false pride of vanity, but the pride described by St. Augustine as “the love of one’s own excellence”. It was a virtuous pride revealing his greatness of soul and faith in his own abilities. Santiago’s pride ended up being his tragic flaw. He went out beyond the boundaries of a normal fisherman. In the end he was ruined, along with his prize, by the malevolent sharks. His run of bad luck was an affront to his pride and drove him to go beyond his limits.

Hemingway does not denounce Santiago for being full of pride. On the contrary, Santiago stands as testimony that pride inspires men to greatness. Because the old man concedes that he killed the mighty marlin largely out of pride, and because his capture of the marlin leads in turn to his heroic transcendence of defeat, pride becomes the source of Santiago’s greatest strength. Without a fierce sense of pride, that battle would never have been fought, or would have been forsaken before the end.

Ron Paul has a clear vision of the America our forefathers imagined. It is a vision of a people free from government control of every aspect of their lives. It’s a vision where the people keep what they earn and don’t pay half to government to be redistributed based upon a politician’s re-election aspirations. It’s a vision where the people are free to make their own choices and free to succeed or fail based on their own merits. It’s a vision where a truly free market exists and private bankers do not control and manipulate the currency.

It’s a vision that calls for a strong national defense, not being the policeman to the world. It’s a vision where we follow the U.S. Constitution and the rule of law. It’s a vision where a limited government ensures the liberties and freedoms of the population. It’s a vision that calls for balanced budgets, sound money, and citizens and corporations accepting the consequences of their actions. If Santiago was a fisherman in the U.S. today, he would be required to have a license to fish, a permit for his boat, pay taxes on his catch, and probably have to release the marlin because it was endangered. Some government thug would have met Santiago at the dock and written him a ticket for being at sea too long and illegal feeding of sharks.

Is Ron Paul running for President because he desires power, control and glory? Anyone who has ever seen Ron Paul or heard him speak knows he is decent man desperately trying to convey his message:

“The most basic principle to being a free American is the notion that we as individuals are responsible for our own lives and decisions. We do not have the right to rob our neighbors to make up for our mistakes, neither does our neighbor have any right to tell us how to live, so long as we aren’t infringing on their rights. Freedom to make bad decisions is inherent in the freedom to make good ones. If we are only free to make good decisions, we are not really free.” 

It is Ron Paul’s pride and unswerving belief in his message of freedom that inspires him to forge ahead in this grueling voyage destined to fail in the eyes of the media and political sharks that circle him, attacking at every opportunity. What these superficial toadies will never understand is that winning isn’t what is important to Ron Paul. It’s the message and the truth that matters. His pride enables him to endure. It is endurance that matters most in Hemingway’s conception of the world—a world in which death and destruction, as part of the natural order of things, are unavoidable. Hemingway seems to believe there are only two options: defeat or endurance until destruction; Santiago and Ron Paul have chosen the latter. Their stoic determination is mythic, nearly Christ-like in proportion.

Grace Under Pressure

“Every man’s life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and how he died that distinguish one man from another.”Ernest Hemingway

“Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference. Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. Liberty has meaning only if we still believe in it when terrible things happen and a false government security blanket beckons.” Ron Paul

Hemingway unquestionably likens Santiago to Christ throughout the novel. Like Christ, he is filled with goodness, patience, and humility. The forces of evil, however, are arrayed against Santiago, as seen when he fends off the sharks. Similarly, Christ had to clash with the wicked Pharisees in Jerusalem. Both men’s struggles end with shame and humiliation.

Christ is betrayed, beaten, forced to carry his own cross, and is crucified, with arms outstretched and bleeding hands nailed to the cross. Santiago is betrayed by the sharks and his spirit crushed. Arriving home a disconsolate man, he struggles up the hill with his mast across his back, much like Christ bearing the cross up to Calvary. When he finally lies down in his bed, his arms are stretched straight out with palms up, and his hands are bleeding. It is an obvious reflection of Christ on the cross.

Having read hundreds of articles by Ron Paul and watched an equal number of interviews he has given over the last five years, his goodness, patience and humility shine through in every instance, along with his knowledge, diligence and charitable nature. The ideologues on the left wing and the right wing that dominate the dialogue in the mainstream media despise Dr. Paul and his message. They attempt to denigrate and humiliate him through their propaganda machines by twisting his words and misrepresenting his positions.

They fear his message of individual responsibility and peaceful interaction with all nations. Those in power want to control our lives and force American values upon other nations. If Dr. Paul’s ideas were to take root with the American people, the era of corporate fascist big government would be over. The welfare – warfare state would begin to wither away. Dr. Paul, much like Santiago and Christ, never lashes out at the forces of evil confronting him along his journey. He is stoic and resolute as he spreads his message of truth, liberty and hope.

Santiago’s favorite baseball player was Joe DiMaggio. The Yankee Clipper was the greatest ballplayer of his era. His 56 game hitting streak has never been surpassed. He led his team to nine World Series victories in his thirteen seasons. He played much of his career with painful bone spurs in his heel. His father was a fisherman, as were generations before him. DiMaggio inspired Santiago with his leadership qualities and the determination to win, in spite of handicaps. The image of the baseball hero playing in pain gave Santiago renewed vigor and stamina to bear his own pain. Joe DiMaggio was later used by Simon & Garfunkel as a symbol of an America longing for its past glory:

Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio,
Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
What’s that you say, Mrs. Robinson.
Jolting Joe has left and gone away,
Hey hey hey.

Mrs. Robinson

Joe DiMaggio was a symbol of excellence, perseverance, determination and leadership. He overcame adversity and triumphed despite his constant pain. Ron Paul has persevered through decades of obscurity and adversity. But, now his time has come. He is the intellectual godfather of the Tea Party movement. The neo-conservative element of the Republican Party has attempted to hijack the true Tea Party message of limited government, individual liberty, non-interventionism in foreign lands, freedom to live our lives without a smothering government bureaucracy dictating mandates at every turn, and a sound currency not controlled by a private banking cabal.

As our country spirals downward due to the complete hijacking of our political system by the moneyed interests on Wall Street and the military industrial complex, leading us into never ending wars, Ron Paul’s message is finally striking a chord, especially among the young people who will be saddled with the crushing debt created by those in power. Despite the blatant lies and attempts to discredit and ignore him, Ron Paul charges forward with perseverance and courage unheard of in a man his age. He doesn’t do it for the glory, but for the unborn future generations who have no voice in their future.

Santiago dreams of lions throughout the novel first as cubs playing on the beach and ultimately as noble warriors, signifying great strength and a sense of renewal and vitality. They inspire confidence and optimism about the future. The old will give way to the young. The aged majestic warrior, through his example of bravery, courage and persistence, leaves the young warriors with a shining example of living life to its utmost and sacrificing personal glory for the good of the many. Ron Paul may not win the Presidency, but the example he has set for the young people of this country has laid the groundwork for a better tomorrow. His message of liberty, freedom and responsibility will resonate far after he has left this earth.

All of the symbols employed by Hemingway add to premise that life is an endless struggle with illusory rewards. In order to achieve nobility in life, a person must exhibit bravery, poise, courage, patience, optimism, and intelligence during the struggle. Then, even if the prize is lost, the person has won the battle, proving himself capable of retaining grace under pressure, the ultimate test of mankind. Ron Paul’s life is a shining example of grace under pressure.

He has single handedly battled his great fish (Big Government, Big Finance, Big Military) for four decades with no helpers and many detractors. His journey is nearing its end. But it isn’t how it ends that matters. The journey is what separates the noble lion (Ron Paul) from the hyenas (corrupt politicians) and jackals (media). Ron’s message will not die. His son will carry the torch. The young people who have been inspired by his words and example will carry the torch. All of our lives will end the same way. The lesson to be learned from Ron Paul is how we should live our lives.

The ideologically myopic pundits that pass for the intelligentsia in the mainstream media scornfully declare that Ron Paul has no chance of winning, when all critical thinking citizens recognize that he has already won. They can destroy him, but he will not be defeated.

“Up the road, in his shack, the old man was sleeping again. He was still sleeping on his face and the boy was sitting by him watching him. The old man was dreaming about the lions.”  – Ernest Hemingway, The Old Man and the Sea 

“Ideas are very important to the shaping of society. In fact, they are more powerful than bombings or armies or guns. And this is because ideas are capable of spreading without limit. They are behind all the choices we make. They can transform the world in a way that governments and armies cannot. Fighting for liberty with ideas makes more sense to me than fighting with guns or politics or political power. With ideas, we can make real change that lasts.” Ron Paul

 

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Stucky
Stucky
September 20, 2011 2:56 pm

“Well, “Stucky,” I hope Ron Paul can forgive your sins and save you from the wrath to come.” –Richard

Well … Dick …. I am already suffering wrath ……….. I live in central Jersey. Hell will be a vacation.

llpoh
llpoh
September 20, 2011 6:38 pm

Hey – ten down one up for my analysis of RP’s chances. Logic has no place in any conversation regarding RP.

Ok – I will sswitch sides.

It is now clear to me that R00P will win in a landslide. Absolutely. He is the bringer of light and all will see this fact shortly – including the FSA and all of the left-wing whackjobs.

He cannot lose.

Let the thumbs up rain down on me now.

Smokey
Smokey
September 20, 2011 7:15 pm

llpoh,

If your post gets read, there will be so many thumbs up it will probably crash the fucking blog.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
September 20, 2011 7:54 pm

Had to thumbs-down, because you mentioned it….

If it was that easy, Perry and Bachman would declare themselves small-government TEA party candidates and, with the aid of these soft-headed talk radio jocks, the run-of-the mill knee-jerk rupublican would actually believe it!

Dave Doe
Dave Doe
September 20, 2011 7:56 pm

Religous fervor has nothing to do with logic. Sort of like trying to use standard units of measure when talking about Smokey’s Pole.

Survey Says ….

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Colma Rising
Colma Rising
September 20, 2011 7:57 pm

At least you didn’t get your comment hidden like Smokey.

Awesome.

AKAnon
AKAnon
September 20, 2011 9:28 pm

Colma, Yes I sent the article to some friends & family. God love ’em (and so do I, someone has to), but I have relatives who voted for Obama last time. They are very literary, and hopefully fans of Hemingway. I hope they are seeing the error of their 2008 choices, and if they are looking for an alternative, I aim to push them towards RP. I also have neo-con relatives who will vote for whomever the Reps pick. Less likely they will endorse RP, but I can dream.

Unfortunately, they all live in So Cal, so their vote is unlikely to mean anything anyway. But if they each tell 2 friends, who each tell 2 friends, and so on, and so on, and….

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
September 20, 2011 10:11 pm

Today, Newsjunkie hath opened Pandora’s Box on TBP.

Apollo
Apollo
September 20, 2011 10:29 pm

@Admin

Yes I see Ron Paul as the Old Man. But Old Man can be very useful. Sort of like Paul Volcker coming back for a year to fix a few things. Just that to run extremely demanding political campaign, to win, to govern, it is better for Younger Man.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
September 20, 2011 10:40 pm

Erica Goldson for POTUS!

newsjunkie
newsjunkie
September 20, 2011 11:29 pm

Doc,
You have taken it to a whole new level! I’m in stitches.

Timeisrunningout
Timeisrunningout
September 20, 2011 11:32 pm

Well done. This is the top article posted on TBP in the last 3 years. Perhaps because it ends with hope that Ron Paul has started a movement that will outlast his life on earth. I think people are really starting to get it regarding the foolishness of our leadership since we went off the gold standard and created bubbles to mask the root cause of our decline.

KSH
KSH
September 20, 2011 11:49 pm

You guys are a riot. I love this postboard. The article and the comments are pretty darn good. I didn’t like Hemingway or anyone who reportedly killed themselves, like Curt Cobain, because I think that there are too many negative assumptions in their thinking that they spread to others minds too, like my sons. For instance, “even if you win, you will fail”. It is true that spiritual wealth is better to have than material wealth, but the spirit will never tell you to kill yourself. I think it is really sad that Hemingway was being followed and reports show the FBI had recorded many hours of surveillance too. So, I think they kind of pushed his insanity along.

Novista
Novista
September 21, 2011 5:29 am

Appreciate your comment, Welshman.

Sometimes grim stories have to be shared.

newsjunkie
newsjunkie
September 21, 2011 9:01 am

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eugend66
eugend66
September 21, 2011 9:21 am

I Like that, alot !

Muck About
Muck About
September 21, 2011 5:48 pm

@Novista: Thanks for sharing. I would have firmly grasped Nurse Troppo Ratchit and tossed her out on her ass.

I am a very firm believer in self determination as to when, where and how to leave this mortal coil. I think it is up to the individual to determine (if he/she is strong enough to think it out in advance) the way they die. After all, dying is the last thing you get to do on this earth and I for one, want to do it right and not leave a mess behind for anyone to clean up.

But first, you have to admit you’re mortal and draw a line in the sand that, when crossed, allows you to take action to die with dignity and your loved ones understanding what it’s all about. Once you’ve accepted what is, sooner or later, going to happen, plan for it, prepare for it and then forget all about it and live the rest of your life, half of each day as if it is your last on earth and the other half of the day as if you were going to live forever.

MA

Novista
Novista
September 22, 2011 2:51 am

Muck About

Thanks for your comment. Excellent point of view, especially the last part. Half and half. Brilliant.

Stan
Stan
September 23, 2011 10:11 am

I would like to point out that Hemmingway only killed himself after he went to a psychiatrist who gave him electric shock treatment and after that, he could not write any more.

TeresaE
TeresaE
September 23, 2011 11:33 am

Amen Stan, amen.

And this was considered “scientifically proven” when they were doing it to him. Same as it was “fact” that bleeding you out was good and the earth was flat.

This reason alone leads me to wonder how millions of otherwise intelligent Americans, even those that have opened their eyes to the fiscal realities, refuse to believe that the same misguided and faulty science is “proven” when it comes to popping ten separate poisons approved by their doctors.

I am an equal opportunity doubter, I doubt ANY and ALL info being released that is filtered in some way from our government.

Hemmingway believed that the doctors, and the scientific community, knew best.

I will learn from his lesson.

string
string
September 23, 2011 12:19 pm

RP is a dangerous populist right-wing pseudo-libertarian racist quack.
His record on the environment and abortion is abysmal and wrong-headed.
Good luck if you managed to get him elected. You’re gonna need it.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
September 23, 2011 1:18 pm

String got his name at birth when his unsuspecting moms, thinking him a mere menstrual cramp, removed her tampon and PLOP!…

string
string
September 23, 2011 3:45 pm

See. I rest my case. That’s just a sad and pathetic response from someone who wished to be taken seriously.
Like most right-wing libertarians I’ve dealt with, this is the kind of angry, hateful and narrow mindedness that is always just below the surface.
I’ve found in dealing with right-wing sycophants of people like RP and worse, his son Rand, that there is a tendency towards bigotry that is easily triggered, and that there is very little depth of thought given to the issues. I feel sorry for you. To go through life with that much anger, hatred and tension has got to be a miserable existence. I hope that you will see the light and find peace and happiness before you get too old to enjoy life.
Have a nice weekend.

AWD
AWD
September 23, 2011 3:52 pm

String:

The responses you received clearly had nothing to do with politics, but more along the lines of you being a douchebag.

I hope you will see the light that being a liberal POS is what is destroying this country. I hope you wake the fuck up and get off the tracks, because the train is coming and you and your liberal jerk-off friends are going into the fire with all the rest of the trash.

string
string
September 23, 2011 4:09 pm

I’m not a Keynesian or a pseudo-Keynesian Monetarist or whatever the fuck these guys like Greenspan, Bernank, Krugman, et. al aspire to be. I happen to agree with RPs stance on monetary issues. Esp. w.r.t. the FRB and a debt based monetary system.
I think the welfare state has failed us miserably for several generations.
However, RP is not the kind of person I can get behind.
I’m a left-libertarian (ala Noam Chomsky) or as one friend likes to say an Anarcho-syndicalist.
With your knee-jerk responses and assumptions, you miss the mark completely. But, like I said, that is par for the course, and not unexpected.
It is a big and complex world, and I’m sure you find it difficult to fit everything into neat, simple, little compartments. Maybe that’s why there’s always so much anger simmering.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
September 23, 2011 4:44 pm

String:

So you have a candidate in mind that will remotely, and honestly (key word) do what he says, mean what he says and point the country anywhere near your mark?

You’re motherfucking the wrong guy. Your first post was so full of vitriolic shit that you earned every response. Go now… kneel at the bust of your billionaire masters who undoubtedly fund your favorite reading… and await your very own money shot.

string
string
September 23, 2011 4:47 pm

I seem to know everything about your knee-jerk responses. They’re worn out, tired and, frankly pretty boring.
Anyway, have fun with your RP campaign. I honestly hope you guys make it onto the GOP (or whatever) ticket for 2012. Sadly, I think Wall St. will be pushing their bitch, Mr. Soetoro, into a second term. Hopefully, you guys will learn something along the way. I know it’s a long shot, since one must be open minded in order to learn. But, hey there’s always a chance.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
September 23, 2011 4:50 pm

Hey String:

Your skank was the talk of the town, so I figured I’d give the old village bicycle a whirl…

I was unimpressed.

string
string
September 23, 2011 4:59 pm

You guys really are the best.

Thinker
Thinker
September 23, 2011 6:22 pm

String’s writing and insults are remarkably similar to Brigitte’s on the Schwetty Balls thread.

Novista
Novista
September 23, 2011 6:46 pm

Wow, when I read “RP is a dangerous populist right-wing pseudo-libertarian racist quack”, I thought “Don’t feed the troll!”

Then I saw that eating the troll was better.

The rest of stringy’s diatribe salvo was soooo 2008. For all his big and complex, and uncompartmented thinking, all he brought to the gunfight was a toy pistol with wet and old caps. Just as well, surrounded by all those strawmen, one spark would have created self-immolation.

Joseph Schumpeter would have been pleased.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
September 23, 2011 6:52 pm

Thinker:

If it was Briggite, then she re-registered.

I do detect a style from somewhere… but I dismiss that intuitionbecause the first post was out of a Moveon playbook.

String could have a chance if it reinvented itself.

Second String?

It’s not as if the following posts were unacceptable, hell, I’m somewhat of a lefty in a populist sense (like the Xthreads on the 4th T forum) but sheeeeot… come in like a cock and run like a chicken is pretty strange.

SES

Novista
Novista
September 23, 2011 6:56 pm

string, btw

“too old to enjoy life” … LOL. I’m 75 and enjoying every moment — especially watching a show reminiscent of the Roman arena, lions attacking the weak. And weak certainly describes the thinking of one who still believes the left-right paradigm. The two Janus faces of the One Party system is doomed to destroy itself.

AWD
AWD
September 27, 2011 9:16 pm

Adnim:

Check this out. A real-life episode of “Old Man and the Sea”

Monster blue marlin caught after 28-hour battle off Cabo San Lucas
http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/30401/monster+blue+marlin+caught+after+28-hour+battle+off+cabo+san+lucas/

Thinker
Thinker
September 27, 2011 9:27 pm

Great find, AWD. Awesome story.

AWD
AWD
September 27, 2011 9:31 pm

Thinker:

It was a great “catch”. hahaha

Jennifer Hyatt
Jennifer Hyatt
October 11, 2011 3:13 am

Hi all.

A bunch of us grass roots supporters are throwing him a moneybomb. It is called Black THIS Out. I am sure you have noticed how much the media is ignoring Ron, so we are going to have the largest event of the year and that might get them to notice us! This time around we have a facebook page that we are pushing….http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=181997088537471 and we have a website…blackthisout.com. If you could help spread the word, that would be wonderful!

The event is being held on Oct. 19th…the anniversary of the day the British surrendered and we won the Revolutionary War. I figure we might try to win a second revolution on that date.

Any mention would be incredibly helpful. We are trying to spread the word to as many Ron Paul supporters as possible. As always, on Oct. 19th, people are told to donate directly to the official Ron Paul website…http://www.ronpaul2012.com/ That way everyone can feel safe donating. If you are maxed out, there is a SuperPac for Ron called http://www.revolutionpac.com/.

AWD
AWD
December 23, 2011 3:05 pm

This was a great thread, from beginning to end. Admin reminiscing. Things have changed haven’t they? Great piece admin.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
December 23, 2011 3:54 pm

OMG

Am I an anarcho-syndicalist now?

Lol

Nah. Still a dunce.

Three sheets in the wind…

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
December 24, 2011 7:32 pm

The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists.” – Ernest Hemingway

True. No. Yes. Agreed.

What didnt work this time around was the temporary prosperity..the broken windows are still broken.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
December 24, 2011 7:36 pm

Hopefully, you guys will learn something along the way. I know it’s a long shot, since one must be open minded in order to learn. But, hey there’s always a chance. -String

How, prezactly, is this, what you posted, in any way open minded?

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
December 24, 2011 7:38 pm

Hey String, I posit your an idiot, but once you realize that your an idiot, you might be able to learn something, I dunno, like how to think like me. I tell you this only because I am ‘open-minded’

flash
flash
December 25, 2011 1:04 pm

simply awesome, Jim.
You’ve become quite the wordsmythe , topping every article you pen with the next.
You really should get an agent.
best wishes…
fa

Three Sheets In The Wind
Three Sheets In The Wind
December 25, 2011 7:07 pm

You see them, comments, Administrator?

Yeah, you’re a great writer… on top of that you’re an admirable human being.

What would you do if you did the year’s events in review?

I’ll tell you what… You’d be overwhelmed. A whole lot of shit has come and passed… passed the short attention span of the viewing public, that is… but has it passsed really? Where would one start? The Arab Spring? Quantative Easing and the Silver Bounce of the spring? Ron Paul, the Old Man and the Sea? Boots in the faces of peace?

Would it be the “Tea Party” flop in congress? Would it be the oil of Libya or the Bear in China?

Nah. Fuck all that.

It would be the mirror’s reflection of us all.

You’ve made me proud, Administrator, every step of the way. You write with heart and use your head. Ideology is but a crutch… your humanity has shown time and again that not only can you make do perfectly when the crutch is kicked away, but more importantly, you are in your element when you throw it away, or better yet, use it to beat those who think they have you pinned about their fat heads with ease.

You make me proud because you aren’t full of shit. You’re a human being, and every word shows it.

You aren’t afraid to show it… your humanity… and that alone places you in a unique spot in this remarkable blogosphere of contrarianism. Sure, it’s a small corner in the world with a small pedestal to perch upon…

It is a quality pedestal. It isn’t a transient pedestal. It’s YOUR pedestal, and time will surely show it is where “it’s” at.

From metropolis to countryside, you will have a home. I guarantee your readers would agree. Sure, you’re not raking in the dollars for it, but should you ever need, you will NEVER go without.

Chin up, Mr. Q… You’re not done yet.

Gitano
Gitano
December 26, 2011 10:16 am

Hemingway was the original expat…..

I would come back to Africa but not to make a living from it. I could do that with two pencils and a few hundred sheets of the cheapest paper. But I would come back to where it pleased me to live; to really live. Not just let my life pass. Our people went to America because it was the place to go then. It had been a good country and we had made a bloody mess of it and I would go, now, somewhere else as we had always had the right to go somewhere else and as we had always gone. You could always come back. Let others come to America who did not know that they had come too late. Our people had seen it at its best and fought for it when it was well worth fighting for. Now I would go somewhere else. We always went in the old days and there were still good places to go.”

Ernest Hemingway, 1934

Lonejack
Lonejack
December 26, 2011 5:52 pm

@ Colma Rising:

“A powerful piece. It flies in the face of the “whoever dies with the most toys” bullshit that many Libertarian-oriented folks have.”

Go to hell, CR. This underhanded swipe at libertarians is an ignorant mischaracterization so passe that its rejoinder no longer warrants courtesy. I am inclined to wonder whether you are confusing “libertine” with “llbertarian.”

Libertarians revere RP. Even my anarchist friends, who refuse to vote on philosophical grounds, honor him for his courage and integrity. Among my many libertarian friends and associates, I find a few congenital rule-haters, curmudgeons, hermits, misfits, nerds, and misanthropes, but I have yet to encounter someone who buys into the “most toys bullshit.”

If your cavalier assertion refers to the beltway psuedo-libertarians who suck, or seek to suck, at the federal teat, such as the Cato Institute or the Koch brothers, then you should say so, and I would cut you some slack, although even then you should be called out for not knowing what you are talking about.

To the admin..thank you for your righteous work.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
December 26, 2011 6:55 pm

Funny thing happened to me…. A meat-headed blow-hard popped in and took a shot at an old comment…. a comment I stand by.

LoneJack: Obviously, we know different people. I’ve taken in more libertarian work than most and have great respect for the theory.

Being a political and economic theory, it is a social science theory. Like most social sciences, those who adhere to it rarely do so in a stringent manner…. In fact, many people I know adhere to that Gordon Gekko bullshit that consider themselves die-hard libertarians.

I do not consider myself a libertarian because I actually DO know exactly what I’m talking about. Your complete lack of elaboration to your point causes me to conclude that you’re a knee-jerk, soft-headed idealogue. What the fuck are you talking about?

There is a plethora of “Libertarian” thought… if you think about it, my comment was a stab at the idea that profit is the sole motivation for humanity. This article was a piece that invoked other ideals… honor, constancy, integrity and many more intangibles that Ron Paul reflects. These are qualities that, even if he were a socialist, I would respect.

So, Lone Jack, if you don’t prove to be a skulking cur and provide evidence that my assesment that you are a knee-jerk window-licker wrong, please do… but be aware that I will run circles around you should you stumble with a comment like that heaping cum-rag you just plopped.

One more thing: You will refer to me as “Jefe” Colma or Mr. Rising, lest I napalm your posts for the fun of it.