Guest Post by Martin Armstrong
An off-duty Los Angeles police officer pissed-off at teens traipsing on his lawn pulled out his gun and fired a shot during a sidewalk scuffle with several minors. Protests were sparked after a video that was filmed on Tuesday afternoon emerged showing the confrontation between the off-duty LAPD cop and a group of teens who he had apparently accused of walking on his lawn. The confrontation ends with the officer pulling his gun out and firing a shot that did not hit anyone as the teens fled.
In London, the average policemen was unarmed. If there was any incident that required an armed confrontation, then a special squad was called in. Here this off-duty cop is just nuts. These are clearly not a gang, they are teenagers walking home from school. Kids will be kids. Walking on someone’s lawn did not give this insane policeman the right to drag this kid to his property for what reason? He should be fired immediately.
Looks to me like he was being attacked by a gang of “teens” and took minimal measure to defend himself by firing a warning shot that didn’t endanger them.
What would you be doing in the same situation?
What would Marty be doing in the same situation? Most likely soiling his pants and reaching for some toilet paper. Unfair assessment? Maybe, but so is this article and video used to support it.
Since the video doesn’t show how this started, it is difficult to know exactly why the cop acted as he did. Looks to me like maybe he was defending himself. Maybe he was just being a hard guy who was intent on throwing his badge and gun around and ended up having to defend himself. Maybe he was totally wrong. Armstrong’s jumping to conclusions only supports a narrative or an agenda used to prop up a strawman.
This video and the “reporting” of the “facts” is something I would expect from CNN. Terrible and biased article that doesn’t deserve the time to read.
This wasn’t on public property or something.
He was on his own lawn, the “teens” were trespassers that refused to leave it an attacked him in the process.
The video clearly shows the teens closing in on the cop. The video also shows one of the teens attacking the cop by ramming him. It is pretty obvious that things would have escalated without the cop firing a warning shot. My beef is with Martin Armstrong. Not the cop.
Martin Armstrong would have wet himself and hived himself off to his London safety zone. What a pantywaist.
If the facts are as stated I assume the officer will be fired. Of course, just as we do not seize the firearms of every citizen because one citizen misuses his firearm, it make no sense to disarm police because one cop is an idiot.
The UK is not as heavily armed as the US so the average police officer may not require a sidearm but it is risky to ask police to patrol and make arrests without the ability to bring lethal force to bear against a dangerous criminal.
unit472……………read the Anon and mike longo comments; they are spot-on.
The people in the UK are not armed because they are used to being treated as inferiors by their ruling class. If the facts are as they appear the teens should be in jail, but since it is LA country and progressive “justice” reigns he will probably be disciplined for defending himself against savages.
Our inner cities are festering hives of the depraved and criminally inclined. Its a warning to normal people.
Martin Armstrong…How dare you mis-intrupet The facts in that Vid…I watched the whole thing…Those Yutes put hands on the officer, well outnumbered..& struggling with 7 or 8 of them?? ..Once he had them in front of & on his left side..What did you want him to do??..Lie down & get stomped?? You take his job for a week without a sidearm…Lets see you do his job..mike in Ct
Bullshit. The cop fired his -actually looked more like an accidental discharge- only after he was attacked and knocked down by a large group of cholos
Armstrong should pull his head out of his ivory tower. Urban kids will not be kids.They aspire to be gangstas and thus should be handled as such.
BTW, Armstrong has it wrong. Disarming cops in UK and other leftard led European nations has only increased crime. Thank God ‘Merican cops still pack some authority.
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In fairness, our numbers are inflated by and large because of Saturday night bar fights in northern resource towns. Aside from reproducing what else is there to do???
Francis, the UK misreprots its crime statistics horribly. Where else on earth is a murder recorded as a murder if someone is charged and convicted? In the event no one is convicted-ie the victim was poisoned, shoot, strangled and knifed but no one is charged-then its not a murder? Please.
London has more violent crime than NY. And you blame the north? This is like the denizens of Harlem blaming the crime rate in NYC on the people leaving broadway shows and hitting the bars afterward.
Francis is a canuck, so I thought he was referring to Canada’s somewhat surprising placement.
The UK’s actually worse than that, many moderately violent crimes don’t get reported at all because the victim both feels that nothing will be done about it and fears he or she might actually be prosecuted on top of it.
Flash, Armstrong’s head is not up in his ivory tower.
The cop did the right thing. An off-duty LEO is a citizen who has the right to engage in self-defense. Had he had no gun, it could have ended very badly for him.
The real danger is the military equipment sent into American towns and cities fresh from Mideastern battlegrounds. You don’t need a friggen tank to stop a handful of punks. That equipment is aimed at us.
Sorry, I try to be respectful of guest articles, but reading this was like reading fake news; watching the video and reading the story were world’s apart. It was not a pissed off cop who walked out of his house and started shooting, nor was it just kids but a gang who would not leave when asked and began the altercation. There was also the indication that this was ongoing harassment. The only thing I can agree with is that maybe the officer should have called it in and waited, but as an officer, he may already have known the law probably could not have done anything anyway. Which brings us back to the little innocents (gang), who, knowing they will not be procecuted, we’re emboldened to ignore private property and trespass.
Accidental discharge pretty clearly, he had no control and the gun was pointed down not where you fire a warning shot. Maybe he was justified in grabbing the kid, no video of the precipitating event, however someone that incompetent should not be carrying.
So where do you fire a warning shot in a crowded city neighborhood with people crowding all around you?
Down insures a safe backstop, anything else leaves shooting something or someone you don’t want shot wide open to pure luck.
No way was that a warning shot, it was unintended and that is the problem. None of us have any idea what started the episode and he might have been justified in holding the kid, but to draw and have a round go off without intention is a problem, it could easily have hit anyone, even someone in a nearby house.
Heartily agree David. My first thought was that it was an accidental discharge caused by a trigger discipline problem on the part of the cop. One of the first and most rudimentary rules of gun handling/concealed carry seems to have eluded this guy during his training. Who knows what really happened prior to him drawing his weapon. Everyone will create their own narrative to satisfy their world view. The single most important factor here is that this guy should not have had his finger on the trigger unless he planned on shooting someone. He needs to be suspended, retrained in both weapons handling, and in how to de-escalate a tense situation. If he’s been involved in any similar situations previously, he should probably be fired.
Yeah thats the ticket, lets put you in with a mob of feral teens and demonstrate how to defuse a violent situation.
Can you also tell us where the flowers for your funeral should be sent beforehand.
A lot of brave idiots who would “have handled it differently”. You can end up dead thinking like that. Feral youth have no regard for life.
They would have handled differently, but somehow never know exactly how.
Or at least to tell us how it should be done with anything realistic for a violent confrontation situation that occurs somewhere besides on a movie set.
I’ve got the perfect solution for that cop.
Find a dummy that looks like Clint “Gran Torino” Eastwood. Place the dummy in a chair on the front lawn and put a fake shotgun in its lap. Then develop a voice activation system for the dummy that senses someone nearby and says with a snarl, “Get off my lawn.”
Problem solved. Heh.
I find this extremely misleading. Disarming Leo officers is leftist crap. The video starts out with confrontation in progress. It is most unclear what started it all. If this were you or I, putting hands on someone would be assault,without rights read might be unlawful detention, and being forcefully removed from one place to another, used to be called kidnapping. Discharge of a firearm in the city limits would probably be serious in LA. Let alone how many other charges go with a civilian pulling what the officer did. My constitution gives me the right to resist unlawful arrest or detention. It used to anyway. Someone tell me that cop couldn’t have been better served with his cellphone camera.
He could have taken that kids pic and had an apb and dealt with him downtown. Arrogance on the Leo’s part led him to think that kid would not resist, in the middle of a crowd. It seems this is over walking In the grass. Was this worth it?? Would any of us roll over for this. We know not whether the kid apologized for the infraction. Being detained and dragged for walking on grass is extreme to say the least. Did the officer show his badge? There is so much wrong with this. We can’t jump to conclusions, so this whole thing is to whip up sentiment for gun control for cops!
Seriously?? Let’s ask how are the statistics on the bobbies that get killed for not being able to shoot back. How many get to shoot at them, and not have to even duck to get away. We know how statistics get skewered to support the narrative.
I find it absurd in this country that gives us the right to protect ourselves, that taking away the right of the people we hire to protect us can’t protect themselves should be debated , is ludicrous, inane at best. That is why we keep our swords sharp and powder dry.
Another expert in law enforcement tells us how to do it.
mangledman is the kind of guy who sees a Kitty Genoveese being attacked and murdered and keeps on walking.
You back to your safezone snowflake. Then call the cops.
Whether it was an AD or a warning shot, it sure ended the situation quickly.
I must admit that I had prejudged the cop a bit when I saw the headline. I’m not sure what happened before the video but if I got shoved into a bush (the one at the beginning) and was surrounded by a mob that was becoming violent and emboldened, I doubt that I would have handled that situation any better than the cop.
That “teen” threatened to kill the officer, hence his detention (listen closely). The cops handling of the situation was far more restrained than I would have been. One only needs to recall Ferguson to imagine what could easily transpire.
As for disarming cops, more libtard bullshit. Flash’s chart demonstrates clearly that the Bobbies are up to their asses in shit and by the time the “Special Squad” arrives everyone is already dead.
The only thing that will constrain groups of feral teens is a well armed citizenry and law enforcement personell.
Lippy little spics were looking for trouble. Well they fucking found it.
Thugs will be thugs. Your home is your domain and you shouldn’t have to be threatened and harassed by punks or anyone else. These ferals were on the attack and if they would have gotten the upper hand would you have wanted to be in that situation? Not me. Simple solution, stay off my property and you won’t have any problems.
The officer did the right thing as he was about to be mobbed by the “yutes”, knew he was carrying a gun, and didn’t want one of them to snatch it away.
I take his side 100%, but you should hear the teevee news coverage here. Even the cops are pissing on this poor homeowner.
I can’t tell what the grabbed teen did that pissed off the cop so much in the first place, but the cop clearly handled the situation badly by repeatedly dragging the kid across the lawn. Yes, he obviously has a right to defend himself, but as a cop he should be trained to defuse situations, which he didn’t do. Most cops that I have seen resort to force almost immediately once their their authority is challenged.
Initiating an arrest of a member of a larger group, in the absence of immediate back-up, was tactically unsound no matter how much it was indicated by fact.
Cop made the mistake of thinking his authority would suffice. In this day and age, I’m astonished he’d make that mistake, but when in the heat of anger we all don’t always arrive at the best decisions.
We’re not there yet, but in a few years it wouldn’t surprise me that more of us will be faced with a difficult choice between kowtowing to gangs of feral people or choosing to quite literally mow them all down. I fear that “the cops” will be useless in maintaining order, and escalating violence will press us into extremely difficult situations.
This is among the wondrous benefits of Holy Homogeneous Diversity. We can’t have nice things (like peace and order) in the presence of Diversity.
Any law abiding person should carry a weapon. If you don’t like that idea then don’t carry weapon. If a bad person picks the wrong person well oops. Yes even cops. Makes a bad decision with your weapon you pay a price. Oh yeah break the law go to jail. Crooked cop life in jail.
Job One: Never, EVER carry a gun in your waistband.
ALWAYS carry a gun in a solid holster, on a reinforced belt.
The ideal (IMO) is a steel-reinforced belt like that available from Alien Gear, and a thick, durable holster like the Incog from Edge Works.
This is the single best way to reduce fumbles with a loaded gun.
As to the “facts” in the video, recall that in the USA, feet and fists kill more people than rifles and shotguns combined.
“Unarmed” assailant or assailants is a LIE. The only men in the world who are truly unarmed are quadriplegic. Everyone else is armed with natural weapons fully capable of killing.
I agree. Movies drive me crazy when a person who should know better runs around with a pistol stuffed inside their belt. Wrecking cars and jumping off buildings yet the pistol is always there and full of ammo. Good thing they never reload in movies because fishing a magazine out of a pocket isn’t very speedy or graceful. Especially in skinny jeans.
It is possible that the cop in the above video had one of these inside the waste band holsters:
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I prefer that front/appendix carry as your pistol doesn’t print and it is easier to protect. I have a few of them for different cary guns and they work great. I have an inside the waste band magazine holder for single stacks too. The Double stacks would be a bit too bulky for me.
First time adding an image to a comment and if won’t work for some reason.
Here is a link.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2238630144/blackhawk-inside-the-waistband-holster-kahr-cw9-cw40-p9-p40-k9-k40-leather-tan
They dont look like feral gang to me. They all tolerated the guy on their side of the driveway for a long time before trying to get his hands off. Only when the adult male who has from their words claimed but not proven himself to be a cop by showing a badge gets to the hedge dividing his own house and is about to take the boy into his own yard, then one other guy comes and started removed his hands, and another then crash tackles. They could have hit him over the head, or all attacked, but they did the least necessary to prevent the boy being abducted by a man who had not properly identified himself or followed rules. They all were ok with waiting for police up until he tried taking the teen to his house. They did as little as necessary to ensure the unifentified off duty cop did not get the boy into his house. That THEY called the police on HIM and he let the kid go as soon as they arrived instead of showing a badge and reading his rights and calling the backup himself.