There are people saying it’s a rorschach test — whatever you want to see you will find.
I disagree.
What I see there is very much what a private CEO might say to someone “investigating” — and there’s utterly nothing wrong with it in that context, because there is no “or else.” And that’s the key, when you get down to it — there has to be an “or else” for it to be actionable, either politically or otherwise.
Does any of this rise to that level? IMHO, nope. It borders on it, but threading that needle is not only perfectly ok it’s part and parcel of being a chief executive of any organization. Those who disagree with that have never run anything in their life.
At the end of the day that’s what I see here — a bunch of people who have never run anything. They believe nobody has to walk up to the bright lines, but not cross them. They believe nobody has to make the tough calls. They believe nobody should expect honest loyalty from anyone.
What’s the difference between “honest loyalty” and not?
The difference is that “not” is malicious prosecution based on invented narratives or otherwise corrupt acts.
Comey, like it or not, was Trump’s subordinate. As his boss Trump had every right to expect and, when he questioned whether he was receiving it, directly ask for exactly what he did ask for — honest loyalty.
He didn’t get that from inauguration day forward. I remind you that Hillary’s “email server being wiped with a cloth” did not go away as an issue on inauguration day. Nor did the Russian Uranium deals. Nor did Seth Rich’s death. Nor did a whole host of other potential scandals both in the DNC and RNC.
The so-called “focus” on “Russian interference” is, from all evidence to date, a sideshow. Should it be run into the ground? You bet. But so should all the rest of these issues and as far as anyone can determine exactly none of them are. Further, there are clear conflicts of interest between Comey, some of his underlings and Clinton and Comey failed to do anything about them.
Were Trump’s conversations uncomfortable for Comey? Yep.
Why?
Because Comey had, for quite some time, been failing to do his ****ing job.
When those conversations failed to produce corrective action on Comey’s part what would you expect to be next?
In Trump’s position you can’t threaten to fire someone if they don’t cut the crap, because that might be construed as obstruction.
But you sure as hell can demand honest loyalty and if you don’t immediately see corrective action in the form of receiving it you can then fire the person involved, which is exactly what happened.
That would be nice and neat, with the entire sordid episode being able to be tossed into the bin, but for what happened in the hearing.
You see, Comey admitted to not one but two incidents that are at least grounds for instant firing and, I suspect, constitute stand-alone felonies.
First was the “leaking” of material to his “buddy” who then made sure they were published in the press. I remind you that at minimum this breached Comey’s duty to the FBI and his oath of office. But worse, if there was any classified material involved in those “leaks” he also broke the law — period, full-stop.
Second, and at least as serious if not more-so, was that he admitted to interference in the Hillary email investigation by Lynch — and did nothing about it.
I’ve seen arguments that Trump should “let it go” now that (1) Comey confirmed he wasn’t under investigation and (2) that there was no “interference” by Trump. To that I respond with an emphatic NO.
Both of these incidents need to be run into the ground and the chips allowed to fall wherever they may. From what I heard yesterday there appear to be multiple serious felonies involved here both by Comey and a host of other people, including Lynch. For the AG to actively interfere in a criminal investigation is about as serious as it gets in terms of corruption and that must not be allowed to stand.
Our nation is literally crumbling around us because of the lack of the rule of law when it comes to wealthy and powerful people. You get ****ed up the ass daily by this in the medical field, when it comes to so-called “social media” where you are bought and sold without your knowledge, through the so-called “education” system (especially “higher” education) and more. Nowhere is this more corrosive than at the highest levels of the Federal Government and when the AG of the United States attempts to rig an election by interfering with an investigation that should have, and would have, forced Hillary to withdraw a year or more prior to the election you have a serious problem.
That was a blatant and outrageous attempt to coronate someone. It failed, but those who tried it, including Comey and Lynch, need to rot in ****ing prison. Until and unless that investigation happens, in the open, and is run into the ground there is exactly no reason for you to show any respect to the law, to the cops, to the FBI, to the government, to anyone who claims “authority.” The law either applies to everyone and is enforced evenly against all or it deserves no deference or respect by anyone.
“Second, and at least as serious if not more-so, was that he admitted to interference in the Hillary email investigation by Lynch — and did nothing about it.”
I was thinking his public address announcing, in effect, that Hillary did nothing wrong was what he did about it.
Damn. Karl just fuckin cussed their asses out, didn’t he? He’s right, y’know. None of them get any respect from me, and only such deference as they can enforce. Without exception, every single member of the outgoing administration should be in jail, waiting trial on charges ranging from various crimes of corruption to treason.
Ed, I think it was you who once told me ‘Friends don’t put each other in jail.’ Still it would be a reality winner if it ever happened.
I think Trump gave them a chance to go quietly into that good night and they mistook his gift to them as a weakness. The hubris of the uniparty may well be it’s undoing.
Agree with KD on this point. There is no reason to show any respect for ‘the law’ the law of the jungle that is, not the eternal law of the land written on our hearts since the dawn of man. (Don’t kill, steal, covet, or lie.) The rest is just color of law, code type bullshit designed to make the owners richer.
The so called social contract is now torn asunder as its fabric is reveled to be a hole cloth. Since fraud viviates any contract we are under no moral or ‘legal’ obligation to follow such an obviously false narrative. That in a nutshell is the answer to most of the problems we the people face. Withdraw consent, decline to state, become ungovernable to the fascist apparatchiks of the deep state. Once enough people (maybe 10%) have learned this and put it into practice the whole structure crumbles into an ozzymandis like heap of rubble and the rebuilding can commence.
I found this somewhere a long time ago, sorry I can’t give credit where it is due.
‘One basic truth can be used as a foundation for a mountain of lies, and if we dig down deep enough in the mountain of lies, and bring out that truth, set it on top of the mountain of lies; the entire mountain of lies will crumble under the weight of that one simple truth. And nothing is more devastating to a structure of lies than the revelation of the truth upon which the lies were built. Because the shock waves of the revelation of truth reverberate, and continue to reverberate throughout the entire earth for generations to follow, Awakening even those who had no desire to be awakened to the truth.’
jamesthedeplorablewanderer
June 10, 2017 8:51 pm
Would anyone care to nominate “that truth” which levels a mountain of lies?
Here’s one:
“The murder of Seth Rich illustrates the depths and levels to which a corrupt political party will go in order to enforce a mafia-like obedience among its adherents. Said adherents are expected to display Jim-Jones type loyalty, drinking the cool-aid on command, even when the leaders of said corrupt political party demonstrate mendacity, theft and organized abomination to, on and on the behalf of themselves. The DNC’s betrayal of Bernie to reward Hillary is an incident of corruption, and the publication of this betrayal later cost Seth Rich his life, as an example to anyone else who might contemplate holding the truth above partisan politics”.
by Karl Denninger
So here’s the prepared testimony…
I’ve read it several times.
There are people saying it’s a rorschach test — whatever you want to see you will find.
I disagree.
What I see there is very much what a private CEO might say to someone “investigating” — and there’s utterly nothing wrong with it in that context, because there is no “or else.” And that’s the key, when you get down to it — there has to be an “or else” for it to be actionable, either politically or otherwise.
Does any of this rise to that level? IMHO, nope. It borders on it, but threading that needle is not only perfectly ok it’s part and parcel of being a chief executive of any organization. Those who disagree with that have never run anything in their life.
At the end of the day that’s what I see here — a bunch of people who have never run anything. They believe nobody has to walk up to the bright lines, but not cross them. They believe nobody has to make the tough calls. They believe nobody should expect honest loyalty from anyone.
What’s the difference between “honest loyalty” and not?
The difference is that “not” is malicious prosecution based on invented narratives or otherwise corrupt acts.
Comey, like it or not, was Trump’s subordinate. As his boss Trump had every right to expect and, when he questioned whether he was receiving it, directly ask for exactly what he did ask for — honest loyalty.
He didn’t get that from inauguration day forward. I remind you that Hillary’s “email server being wiped with a cloth” did not go away as an issue on inauguration day. Nor did the Russian Uranium deals. Nor did Seth Rich’s death. Nor did a whole host of other potential scandals both in the DNC and RNC.
The so-called “focus” on “Russian interference” is, from all evidence to date, a sideshow. Should it be run into the ground? You bet. But so should all the rest of these issues and as far as anyone can determine exactly none of them are. Further, there are clear conflicts of interest between Comey, some of his underlings and Clinton and Comey failed to do anything about them.
Were Trump’s conversations uncomfortable for Comey? Yep.
Why?
Because Comey had, for quite some time, been failing to do his ****ing job.
When those conversations failed to produce corrective action on Comey’s part what would you expect to be next?
In Trump’s position you can’t threaten to fire someone if they don’t cut the crap, because that might be construed as obstruction.
But you sure as hell can demand honest loyalty and if you don’t immediately see corrective action in the form of receiving it you can then fire the person involved, which is exactly what happened.
That would be nice and neat, with the entire sordid episode being able to be tossed into the bin, but for what happened in the hearing.
You see, Comey admitted to not one but two incidents that are at least grounds for instant firing and, I suspect, constitute stand-alone felonies.
First was the “leaking” of material to his “buddy” who then made sure they were published in the press. I remind you that at minimum this breached Comey’s duty to the FBI and his oath of office. But worse, if there was any classified material involved in those “leaks” he also broke the law — period, full-stop.
Second, and at least as serious if not more-so, was that he admitted to interference in the Hillary email investigation by Lynch — and did nothing about it.
I’ve seen arguments that Trump should “let it go” now that (1) Comey confirmed he wasn’t under investigation and (2) that there was no “interference” by Trump. To that I respond with an emphatic NO.
Both of these incidents need to be run into the ground and the chips allowed to fall wherever they may. From what I heard yesterday there appear to be multiple serious felonies involved here both by Comey and a host of other people, including Lynch. For the AG to actively interfere in a criminal investigation is about as serious as it gets in terms of corruption and that must not be allowed to stand.
Our nation is literally crumbling around us because of the lack of the rule of law when it comes to wealthy and powerful people. You get ****ed up the ass daily by this in the medical field, when it comes to so-called “social media” where you are bought and sold without your knowledge, through the so-called “education” system (especially “higher” education) and more. Nowhere is this more corrosive than at the highest levels of the Federal Government and when the AG of the United States attempts to rig an election by interfering with an investigation that should have, and would have, forced Hillary to withdraw a year or more prior to the election you have a serious problem.
That was a blatant and outrageous attempt to coronate someone. It failed, but those who tried it, including Comey and Lynch, need to rot in ****ing prison. Until and unless that investigation happens, in the open, and is run into the ground there is exactly no reason for you to show any respect to the law, to the cops, to the FBI, to the government, to anyone who claims “authority.” The law either applies to everyone and is enforced evenly against all or it deserves no deference or respect by anyone.
Period.
“Second, and at least as serious if not more-so, was that he admitted to interference in the Hillary email investigation by Lynch — and did nothing about it.”
I was thinking his public address announcing, in effect, that Hillary did nothing wrong was what he did about it.
Damn. Karl just fuckin cussed their asses out, didn’t he? He’s right, y’know. None of them get any respect from me, and only such deference as they can enforce. Without exception, every single member of the outgoing administration should be in jail, waiting trial on charges ranging from various crimes of corruption to treason.
Ed, I think it was you who once told me ‘Friends don’t put each other in jail.’ Still it would be a reality winner if it ever happened.
I think Trump gave them a chance to go quietly into that good night and they mistook his gift to them as a weakness. The hubris of the uniparty may well be it’s undoing.
norman franklin-
“reality winner”……….. I see what you did there.
Yep, reality winner indeed. Good one, Norm.
Agree with KD on this point. There is no reason to show any respect for ‘the law’ the law of the jungle that is, not the eternal law of the land written on our hearts since the dawn of man. (Don’t kill, steal, covet, or lie.) The rest is just color of law, code type bullshit designed to make the owners richer.
The so called social contract is now torn asunder as its fabric is reveled to be a hole cloth. Since fraud viviates any contract we are under no moral or ‘legal’ obligation to follow such an obviously false narrative. That in a nutshell is the answer to most of the problems we the people face. Withdraw consent, decline to state, become ungovernable to the fascist apparatchiks of the deep state. Once enough people (maybe 10%) have learned this and put it into practice the whole structure crumbles into an ozzymandis like heap of rubble and the rebuilding can commence.
I found this somewhere a long time ago, sorry I can’t give credit where it is due.
‘One basic truth can be used as a foundation for a mountain of lies, and if we dig down deep enough in the mountain of lies, and bring out that truth, set it on top of the mountain of lies; the entire mountain of lies will crumble under the weight of that one simple truth. And nothing is more devastating to a structure of lies than the revelation of the truth upon which the lies were built. Because the shock waves of the revelation of truth reverberate, and continue to reverberate throughout the entire earth for generations to follow, Awakening even those who had no desire to be awakened to the truth.’
Would anyone care to nominate “that truth” which levels a mountain of lies?
Here’s one:
“The murder of Seth Rich illustrates the depths and levels to which a corrupt political party will go in order to enforce a mafia-like obedience among its adherents. Said adherents are expected to display Jim-Jones type loyalty, drinking the cool-aid on command, even when the leaders of said corrupt political party demonstrate mendacity, theft and organized abomination to, on and on the behalf of themselves. The DNC’s betrayal of Bernie to reward Hillary is an incident of corruption, and the publication of this betrayal later cost Seth Rich his life, as an example to anyone else who might contemplate holding the truth above partisan politics”.