Shall We Fight Them All?

Guest Post by Patrick J. Buchanan

Saturday, Kim Jong Un tested an ICBM of sufficient range to hit the U.S. mainland. He is now working on its accuracy, and a nuclear warhead small enough to fit atop that missile that can survive re-entry.

Unless we believe Kim is a suicidal madman, his goal seems clear. He wants what every nuclear power wants — the ability to strike his enemy’s homeland with horrific impact, in order to deter that enemy.

Kim wants his regime recognized and respected, and the U.S., which carpet-bombed the North from 1950-1953, out of Korea.

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Where does this leave us? Says Cliff Kupchan of the Eurasia Group, “The U.S. is on the verge of a binary choice: either accept North Korea into the nuclear club or conduct a military strike that would entail enormous civilian casualties.”

A time for truth. U.S. sanctions on North Korea, like those voted for by Congress last week, are not going to stop Kim from acquiring ICBMs. He is too close to the goal line.

And any pre-emptive strike on the North could trigger a counterattack on Seoul by massed artillery on the DMZ, leaving tens of thousands of South Koreans dead, alongside U.S. soldiers and their dependents.

We could be in an all-out war to the finish with the North, a war the American people do not want to fight.

Saturday, President Trump tweeted out his frustration over China’s failure to pull our chestnuts out of the fire: “They do NOTHING for us with North Korea, just talk. We will no longer allow this to continue. China could easily solve this problem.”

Sunday, U.S. B-1B bombers flew over Korea and the Pacific air commander Gen. Terrence J. O’Shaughnessy warned his units were ready to hit North Korea with “rapid, lethal, and overwhelming force.”

Yet, also Sunday, Xi Jinping reviewed a huge parade of tanks, planes, troops and missiles as Chinese officials mocked Trump as a “greenhorn President” and “spoiled child” who is running a bluff against North Korea. Is he? We shall soon see.

According to Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, Trump vowed Monday he would take “all necessary measures” to protect U.S. allies. And U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley bristled, “The time for talk is over.”

Are we headed for a military showdown and war with the North? The markets, hitting records again Monday, don’t seem to think so.

But North Korea is not the only potential adversary with whom our relations are rapidly deteriorating.

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After Congress voted overwhelmingly for new sanctions on Russia last week and Trump agreed to sign the bill that strips him of authority to lift the sanctions without Hill approval, Russia abandoned its hopes for a rapprochement with Trump’s America. Sunday, Putin ordered U.S. embassy and consulate staff cut by 755 positions.

The Second Cold War, begun when we moved NATO to Russia’s borders and helped dump over a pro-Russian regime in Kiev, is getting colder. Expect Moscow to reciprocate Congress’ hostility when we ask for her assistance in Syria and with North Korea.

Last week’s sanctions bill also hit Iran after it tested a rocket to put a satellite in orbit, though the nuclear deal forbids only the testing of ballistic missiles that can carry nuclear warheads. Defiant, Iranians say their missile tests will continue.

Recent days have also seen U.S. warships and Iranian patrol boats in close proximity, with the U.S. ships firing flares and warning shots. Our planes and ships have also, with increasingly frequency, come to close quarters with Russian and Chinese ships and planes in the Baltic and South China seas.

While wary of a war with North Korea, Washington seems to be salivating for a war with Iran. Indeed, Trump’s threat to declare Iran in violation of the nuclear arms deal suggests a confrontation is coming.

One wonders: If Congress is hell-bent on confronting the evil that is Iran, why does it not cancel Iran’s purchases and options to buy the 140 planes the mullahs have ordered from Boeing?

Why are we selling U.S. airliners to the “world’s greatest state sponsor of terror”? Let Airbus take the blood money.

Apparently, U.S. wars in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Somalia are insufficient to satiate our War Party. Now it wants us to lead the Sunnis of the Middle East in taking down the Shiites, who are dominant in Iran, Iraq, Syria and South Lebanon, and are a majority in Bahrain and the oil-producing regions of Saudi Arabia.

The U.S. military has its work cut out for it. President Trump may need those transgender troops.

Among the reasons Trump routed his Republican rivals in 2016 is that he seemed to share an American desire to look homeward.

Yet, today, our relations with China and Russia are as bad as they have been in decades, while there is open talk of war with Iran and North Korea.

Was this what America voted for, or is this what America voted against?

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Anonymous
Anonymous
August 1, 2017 8:32 am

Again, we find out that everything wrong in the world is America’s fault and the world will be much better off without us.

When America is gone, mankind can return to the perfect life of again living in the Garden of Eden.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  Anonymous
August 1, 2017 10:35 am

In recent years it is all Bush’s fault. I am not joking.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Zarathustra
August 1, 2017 3:31 pm

why?

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
August 1, 2017 8:48 am

Anon…..maybe the author remembers when America stood for something other than being the Lord of Planet Earth. And, in order to achieve that status, the millions of innocents killed is just acceptable casualties, as long as they are not members of your family.

unit472
unit472
August 1, 2017 9:12 am

It is totally unacceptable that North Korea has a nuclear arsenal.

If this regime can get away with it then the whole idea of limiting nuclear weapons goes out the window. This is not about whether the US has an interventionist or isolationist foreign policy , the antique views of Pat Buchanan notwithstanding. This is about keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of unstable dictators and regimes. Lose this battle and nuclear proliferation is a given and nuclear war inevitable.

Taiwan, South Korea, Japan might be first to go ‘nuclear’ if Kim Jong Un develops the capacity to launch nuclear tipped ICBMs. The US nuclear ‘umbrella’ will be worthless to them. The Philippines and Vietnam will have the same problem.

North Korea’s nuclear arsenal will achieve what China’s could not. Push the US out of the Western Pacific. That is why China is not doing anything about it. Kim Jong Un’s recklessness serves their purposes.

Kw
Kw
  unit472
August 1, 2017 10:31 am

quote “This is about keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of unstable dictators and regimes.”

The names Bush, Obama, Clinton, and now Trump comes to my mind when you say this.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  Kw
August 1, 2017 10:36 am

Not to mention Netanyahu.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  unit472
August 1, 2017 12:01 pm

“then the whole idea of limiting nuclear weapons goes out the window”

Are you joking? This is 70 year old technology. A good handyman w/ enough U 235 can build a Little Boy in his garage. How about WE start acting like a civilized nation? Or, is that “out the window?”

MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
  unit472
August 1, 2017 6:47 pm

Have you any idea what we did to n Korea during the Korean War? We killed over 3 million of them. If it was the US bombed with that many deaths, it would have been the equivalent of over 53 Million killed (1953 pop.)

After destroying North Korea’s 78 cities and thousands of her villages, and killing countless numbers of her civilians, [General] LeMay remarked, “Over a period of three years or so we killed off – what – twenty percent of the population.” It is now believed that the population north of the imposed 38th Parallel lost nearly a third its population of 8 – 9 million people during the 37-month long “hot” war, 1950 – 1953, perhaps an unprecedented percentage of mortality suffered by one nation due to the belligerence of another.”

for comparison
During The Second World War the United Kingdom lost 0.94% of its population, France lost 1.35%, China lost 1.89% and the US lost 0.32%. During the Korean war, North Korea lost close to 30 % of its population.

And this was just 60+ years ago. You think they’ve forgotten this? I know n Korea is a hell hole with a despotic family running concentration camps that will imprison 3 generations of a family that dares to criticize the leaders. I certainly don’t want them with nuclear weapons but that’s too late, they have them. And I understand why.

The question is how do we proceed? Even without nukes, the North has a 100,000 artillery pieces aimed directly at Seoul. And what ever we do, they are going to get off a few rounds if not many more.

Trump has been trying to get China to pressure them and that’s looking pointless. Un must know that Pyongyang would be vaporized should he actually launch a missile our way. Tough spot.

I’ll add that the Korean men I have met in my life are some of the toughest people I’ve ever encountered. And plenty intelligent too. That ground war must have been hell on earth.

Gay Veteran
Gay Veteran
  unit472
August 2, 2017 4:51 pm

“…Push the US out of the Western Pacific….”

GREAT

Mercy Otis Warren
Mercy Otis Warren
August 1, 2017 9:38 am

“It is totally unacceptable that North Korea has a nuclear arsenal.”

So what would you advise President Trump to do about it? Exactly what kind of military options would you employ — keeping the 1950s in mind (i.e. the Chinese did not yet have nukes and they did not yet make almost everything we consume)?

unit472
unit472
  Mercy Otis Warren
August 1, 2017 12:31 pm

Couple of points. An ‘atomic’ bomb of the sort we dropped on Japan is not a civilization or even a modern city destroyer. That is what North Korea has so far managed to test.

The casualties at Hiroshima were so high because the Japanese did not realize what was coming. They thought the 3 B-29’s were a recon or weather flight. Bombers came by the hundreds and so they did not seek shelter. The Nagasaki bomb, though a bit more powerful, missed its aim point and the topography of the city ( hilly) mitigated the blast effect so the casualties were lower.

The real danger is North Korea developing a thermonuclear bomb and putting it on a missile. If hitting a US city anytime soon might be a stretch detonating one over the Tokyo urban complex is not. It took the US 7 years to go from Trinity to a 10 megaton hydrogen ‘bomb’ and 7 more to miniaturize the bomb to fit on a missile warhead but we had to ‘invent’ the technology. The North Koreans don’t.

A multi megaton blast over Tokyo or Seoul would end the world as we know it. The world economy would collapse as share prices and supply trains collapsed. Did you know the South Korean economy is larger than that of Russia? Japan’s 3 times that of South Korea.

North Korea must be disarmed and soon so that it never has the capability to destroy a major economy.

Mercy Otis Warren
Mercy Otis Warren
  unit472
August 1, 2017 1:43 pm

This history lesson is all well and good, but you did not answer the question. What military options would you employ to disarm the North Koreans which would not risk triggering the very nuclear detonation we all hope to avoid? The problem with pre-emptive war is that no one can accurately predict the collateral damage nor the unintended consequences. Can you assure me that China will not launch a retaliatory nuke if we use traditional ordinance and troops to disarm N. Korea? The most brilliant US military strategist ever probably (Douglas MacArthur) grossly underestimated the probability of China’s entry into the first Korean War as well as their resolve. He thought the only way to win on the Korean peninsula was to strategically nuke the major transit junctions just north of the Yalu River. We had the same problem in Vietnam. How would you propose that we win a second Korean War — without using nukes?

Javelin
Javelin
  Mercy Otis Warren
August 1, 2017 4:35 pm

Not to forget, BOTH China and Russia border N Korea…..a US “preemptive” move could get very bad very quickly

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Javelin
August 1, 2017 5:30 pm

Make that … WILL go bad very quickly.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
August 1, 2017 9:55 am

unit 472…..agree, but the timing is important; a good phrase is ‘nip it in the bud’, which happened to be when Scum Bill Clinton was in office and after Billions spent in bribery, he took N. Korea’s word that they would stop their nuclear program – YUK, YUK, they are still laughing at the U.S over that one. But, Bill did get accolades for stopping N. Korea.

C’mon Dem’s, let’s hear you clap at the situation now.

Prusmc
Prusmc
  kokoda - the most deplorable
August 1, 2017 9:05 pm

Let’s ask and answer the one vital question: what would HRC do?

TampaRed
TampaRed
August 1, 2017 11:44 am

From The National Interest,
“Why China Should Fear Trump’s Tweets”

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-china-should-fear-donald-trumps-tweets-21725

Javelin
Javelin
  TampaRed
August 1, 2017 4:39 pm

A well written piece.. thanks

Desertrat
Desertrat
August 1, 2017 11:56 am

People seem to forget or ignore the fact that North Korea invaded South Korea in 1950. Killed a bunch of non-combatants as well as South Korean army guys and US army guys.

No, we did not carpet bomb.

But even after the truce was signed in 1953, the North Korean government unendingly continued to bad-mouth the US and continue its development of its military–at the expense of all other industry and the well-being of its citizens not in the military or in government office.

No effort at defusing the hostility has done any good. None. No matter what compromises have been offered, the North Korean effort toward becoming a nuclear threat has continued. The hostile rhetoric is now in its third generation of nutzoidal leadership.

When somebody is staring at you while holding a gun and screaming threats about killing you, do you merely wait for him to take the first shot?

(I was on a passenger-freighter, returning to the States from Manila, two days out of Yokohama when the North invaded. The Russians were jamming the usual news radio frequencies, so we didn’t really know what was happening. Four years later I went to occupation duty in South Korea. I had lost two friends in the combat there. So, my opinion? Screw the evil bastards.)

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Desertrat
August 1, 2017 12:34 pm

It makes more sense to worry about Pakistan’s nukes than those of North Korea – Fat Boy’s chest beating notwithstanding. Should we launch a preemptive strike against Pakistan? What are we supposed to do – occupy North Korea? We haven’t even been able to pacify Afghanistan – a country of illiterate goatfuckers whose primary mode of transportation is donkey carts.

unit472
unit472
  Iska Waran
August 1, 2017 1:18 pm

South Korea, a nation of 45 million, could handle any occupation/pacification of a North only half its size. It is also the case that Koreans are a disciplined, organized people and the impoverished North unlikely to rebel at being governed by the far richer and less brutal South.

The problem is China doesn’t want a unified democratic Korea even if it meant the withdrawal of US forces from the peninsula. Might have been possible under Hu Jin Tao but President Xi’s China is moving away from free market liberalism and towards totalitarian control.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
  unit472
August 1, 2017 1:28 pm

liked that comment

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  unit472
August 1, 2017 1:38 pm

I’m sure they’ll be throwing flower petals onto our troops’ path and greeting us as liberators. Just like Iraq.

MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
  Desertrat
August 1, 2017 6:49 pm

Ahhh, yes we did carpet bomb the North in the Korean War.

lone wolf
lone wolf
August 1, 2017 3:11 pm

Many good points and insights contributed by all…
From every angle, it seems like a full-blown” Mexican Standoff” to me.
All the more reasons to stock up whiskey and Pottasium Iodide pills…

The Modern Chronicler
The Modern Chronicler
August 1, 2017 3:43 pm

It is totally unacceptable that North Korea has a nuclear arsenal.

Unacceptable by what standards, rules, or laws?

The DPRK’s reasons for building nuclear weapons are various. They wanted a bargaining chip as they knew post-Cold War that without the USSR providing aid, they were going to fall farther and farther behind an ever-wealthier South Korea, and they also wanted assurances from the U.S. that Washington wouldn’t attack. This last point was supposedly accomplished with the 1994 Agreed Framework, but Republican reluctance in Congress to provide the oil supplies and light-water reactors to North Korea as per the Framework, plus the North’s development of a uranium enriched program, led to the breakdown of the Agreement by 2003.

George W. Bush’s arrival in the White House witnessed a reversal from Bill Clinton’s policy of engagement (Bill once personally hosted a DPRK army marshal in 2000 in the White House). There were speculations of a Clinton-Kim Jong Il summit, as Madeline Albright had visited Kim in Pyongyang.

(Not that this means Clinton did everything right, but historical context is necessary).

By the time the Agreed Framework was dead, Saddam Hussein had been toppled, and Ariel Sharon was demanding Bush take out Syria. There were voices calling for Iran as well. Kim did not ignore this – with the “Axis of Evil” speech fresh in memory, North Korea’s leaders knew that there were possibly next. They stepped up their efforts to go nuclear, and this they did in 2005, as nightly news showed report after report after report of IEDs going off in Iraq. “Mission Accomplished” much?

Kim’s reasoning that nuclear weapons would provide a real defense against a U.S. invasion were well-founded. Moammar Qaddafi agreed to give up Libya’s nuclear program, and a few years later, the very same Obama administration officials (read: Hillary Rodham, wife of Bill) who praised him as an ally and partner later cackled on TV about his demise (Qaddafi was caught by rebel fighters who beat him, sodomized him with a sharp, pointy object, and then killed him after torturing him). It is only because Vladimir Putin, ah that “Hitler” (again, courtesy of Hillary Rodham, wife of Bill), that Syria hasn’t been overrun by monotheistic Middle Easterners who decapitate children and Catholic priests, rape women and sell them in public auctions, throw homosexuals from buildings, deface centuries-old art, and are establishing Sharia law to an extent that would make Al-Qaeda blush. Without Vladdy Daddy, would have Basher Al-Assad benefited from having nukes?

Today, North Korea is more confident than ever regarding nukes. Its technology is certainly primitive, but it has held off the U.S. It made George W. Bush de-list the DPRK from the State Department’s list of terror-sponsoring countries, and when Barack Obama took office, it had more nukes than when Obama arrived. Obama’s record is mixed, with limited success in passing and implementing sanctions. But sanctions would need years to work to yield effect, and 12 years after North Korea first declared itself a nuclear weapons state, it has tested nukes several times. Its know-how has grown as time has become even scarcer.

Now, we who are in the U.S., we who are Americans in the west, look at North Korea strictly as a faraway problem that our bombers and missiles can solve. But what about our South Korean adn Japanese allies, all within range of North Korean missiles/artillery?

A proper understanding of the Korean Peninsula’s geopolitical circumstances – North vs. South – is sine qua non to grasp why North Korea insists on nukes.

North Korea’s leaders, while evil, are not ignorant. They are aware that South Korea has already “won” the Korean War if the Korean War is defined as a contest of legitimacy. Both Korean states declare ownership and sole political legitimacy over the entire peninsula and despite talks, agreements, family reunions, and even joint sports delegations, consider the other outlaw, renegade, and utterly irreconcilable rivals.

Activists along the Yalu and Tumen Rivers (usually South Koreans and Korean-Americans) report that North Korean people are consuming South Korean media and have been doing so for a few years now. USBs are distributed illegally and clandestinely; South Korean TV shows, news programs, documentaries, etc., have already made it clear to many within the DPRK that south of the DMZ is a Korea where food is shockingly plentiful and diverse; where even the average folks dress well; where all can earn enough to drive large cars; where nobody is stunted due to malnutrition; where people are not slaves of the Yankee imperialists.

With this in mind, Kim Jong Un has stepped up his regime’s equivalents of the Gestapo and of the Stasi. To be found with South Korean media is a serious crime. Kim knows that the South Korea of 2017 isn’t the dirt-poor, nearly-failed state with a GDP lower than that of certain African countries as was the case when his grandfather was in his early 50s.

As such, Kim wants to gradually, over many years, to exhaust South Korea into submission.

He wants to use occasional, even once-a-few-years skirmishes to intimidate the South; he wants to bribe them into submission, with external threats which are bolstered by internal assistance. What we in the U.S. (minus former U.S. GIs and diplomats who were there then) often overlook is that during the previous decade, under 2 leftist presidents, South Korea was bitterly and unabashedly anti-American, tearing U.S. flags in protests, demanding the expulsion of our troops, trying to take down a statue of General Douglas MacArthur, and even attacking our soldiers on the streets. North Korea saw all this and manipulated this frenzy in the name of “Korean nationalism.” Many analysts feared that by 2010, the U.S.-ROK alliance would have literally ended.

This could not have been possible without the active and deliberate work of Fifth Columnists who are known to be pro-DPRK spies, many of whom have illegally visited Pyongyang to receive orders. They are agitators who want to ideologically compromise South Korea, prying it away from its status as a U.S. ally into the arms of the DPRK. It is frightening that this nearly happened during Kim Jong Il’s time.

It is true that in 2017, the anti-American fever has largely subsided, a far cry from where it was 10 years ago. But it’s likewise realistic to predict that it could be rekindled.

North Korea will grow ever bolder and more daring, engaging South Korea in a cycle of threats and perhaps even shooting incidents, only to back down in calls for negotiations. South Korea is likely to then grant concessions, bit by bit. Calls for reconciliation over war will push the South Korean government to go along with agreements. It will be so subtle and slow that few South Koreans will notice – after all, aren’t written statements with promises to work together better than thousands of rockets flying and landing?

Let us not forget that even during the Cold War, the DPRK established its own unification policy: a confederation system (one country, two systems) – but in reality, the DPRK would never tolerate half of the peninsula operating under a separate government. It would outwardly accept Seoul’s “capitulation” in a so-called “peace process” which would invariably obligate America to withdraw its troops, as that surrender (which would only be known to be such by Pyongyang itself) would chip away at the civil liberties and constitutional freedoms of South Korea. Then, over years if not a decade or more, absorption into the Korean confederation template – which would then quickly see the “gradual” become “abrupt” and by then, any opposition by South Korean politicians or citizens would be too little, too late.

And within this context, North Korea would indeed have won the Korean War – in the only way that truly matters: geopolitical supremacy and hegemony.

This is the ultimate purpose of Kim Jong Un’s nuclear program. To frighten South Korea or to warn America is only part of the package. Seoul and Washington must double-down if they want to avoid in the 21st Century what we witnessed in Vietnam in 1976: unification under the communists.

The Modern Chronicler
The Modern Chronicler
August 1, 2017 5:25 pm

We lost a lot of time from Clinton to Trump. Both Clinton and Bush 43 made some mishaps, and under Obama (surprisingly), some good moves were made (sanctions). But these sanctions take years to really take effect, and from 1994 to 2016, North Korea went nuclear, tested its weapons several times, all the while it made Bush 43 blink first (the State Department under Bush 43 removed North Korea from its list of terrorism-sponsoring states). All this while it terrorized South Korea with attacks on ROK Navy ships and civilian settlements and while it continues to own and operate 21st Century gulags which rival Stalin’s in their hellish cruelty.

Since some of y’all subscribe to AmRen’s ideology of racial realism and the classification of the races by IQ, we’ve got our hands full here. Kim Jong Un is a fat, spoiled, and bloodthirsty bastard, but he isn’t stupid. He, as a Korean, is from a race whose average IQ is in the low 100s. The Koreans in the North’s leadership may be retrograde in their thinking and theirs is a mostly failed state, but they aren’t your Arab/African/Latin American tinpot dictators. North Korea is KOREAN (duh, LOL)… and Koreans (in the South and in America, through decades of outstanding performance in academics, with so many of them with Harvard, Yale, UPenn, Columbia, UC Berkley, Stanford, etc. degrees) are known for being quite brainy.

Just FYI, folks… the closest race to the Koreans genetically speaking are the Japanese, and we all know how smart they are. They fought America on an equal footing in the Pacific War, and their electronics, automobiles, ships, etc have been world-class for decades. If the Japanese (or Koreans) had a country half the size of the U.S., with its diversity and wealth in natural resources, they’d be the world’s biggest economy.

Either way, I wouldn’t be surprised if the “North Korean nuclear problem” is essentially unchanged after Mike Pence takes oath on January 20, 2025 (knock on wood).

MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
  The Modern Chronicler
August 1, 2017 6:59 pm

By 2025, if things haven’t gone out of control by then, the situation will be a lock solid stand off. The North will have attained the necessary technology to launch a nuke our way and they’ll have plenty of them. It’ll be MAD all over again. Kinda of what we now have with China.

I imagine they’ll continue running the country like a living nightmare but short of destroying it to save it, what are we going to do?

The terrifying aspect is their obvious intention to sell their technology to other nightmares and sure as shit, one of those nukes is going to fall into the absolute wrong hands. After it’s set off, there are ways to determine it’s origin. Than we can say adios, cya on the other side.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
August 1, 2017 8:39 pm

We don’t have to fight them all. The Russians and Assad will take care of Syria. The Saudis will handle Yemen. We can keep stirring the shit in Iraq and keep Iran busy. That leaves Korea. That won’t happen because the nuclear threat there is just made up shit.