The Long Struggle

Guest Post by The Zman

At this point, everyone who is anyone has chimed in with a misinformed hot take on the riot in Charlottesville. I’ve done my share on Gab about it, but I thought a full post was a better way to make myself clear on the subject. A feature of outsider politics is that every event requires a response. It becomes a way for everyone to position themselves in relation to everyone else. For instance RamZPaul is out reminding everyone that he does not like Richard Spencer, using Charlottesville as a jumping off point.

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Having had some time to think about my own range of responses over the last 48 hours or so, I think the most important take away is that a whole lot of people who never heard of the alt-right, now know there is another team on the field. We forget that most people don’t know Antifa from Auntie May. Over the last 48 hours I’ve had a lot of normal people ask me to explain what’s going on with these groups they are seeing on TV. Despite the media barrage, I’ve had a few normies say, “At least they are fighting the Left.”

That said, you can be sure that many of the CivNats and Buckley Cons were rushing to their nearest liberal and begging them for forgiveness. Poor old Gavin McInnes wore himself out telling his friends on the Left that his PoofBerry group disavowed everyone they were told to disavow.  Obviously I enjoy mocking Captain Buttplug more than I should, but he has a big audience. He and the other accommodationist types have a lot of influence and they are using this to fund raise and hurt our thing.

You learn more from failure than success, but success does offer good lessons. The Friday night torch light march into the park was a smashing success. It was clever and original. It also showed a high level of discipline. That was the sort of thing that you do when you know the system is willing to use any means necessary to stop you. You get creative and use their weight against them. The cops and politicians did not see it coming so they could not get their goons out of the flophouses to smash it up.

In retrospect, the alt-right should have simply cancelled the Saturday event, leaving the cops to figure out how to blame the inevitable Antifa rioting on the alt-right. That would have left them guessing about the sort of people they are facing. The important thing about the Left is they believe their own bullshit. That’s why they put so much effort into forcing their enemies to play the role designed for them. Outfoxing them and not playing that role is the best psychological weapon that can be deployed against the people in charge.

That’s not what happened and it is a good lesson for our side. The cops lied about their intentions and the politicians lied too. Cops are mostly guys who like pushing people around and they are not giving up that privilege for anything. They would mace a nursery school if their bosses ordered it. In all future dealings with the cops, the underlying assumption must be that the cops are lying. Security needs to be designed with the assumption that the cops are working with the other side. Charlottesville is the proof of it.

There’s another lesson. The whole point of the event was to unite all the factions of the Right, including the idiotic Nazi larpers and KKK clowns. I get it. They were there for you from the beginning. Not punching right is a big deal in this thing. They are super red pilled on the JQ. I get it, but the alt-right needs to understand that these micro groups do vastly more damage to the cause than any benefit gained from unity. The truth of life is you can’t save everyone. Some people get left behind and the Nazi larpers have to be sidelined.

I can hear the objections from some readers, but here’s the question. Do you want to win or do you want to be ideologically pure? If it is the former, it means getting the Chad and Stacy types to come to our side. The middle-aged guy with a mortgage and kids is not rallying to a knucklehead waving a Nazi flag. Pleasing the handful of yesterday men costs tens of thousands of recruits. You can’t win that way. If the alt-right makes ideological purity into a suicide pact, it will be their only accomplishment.

There is always someone who will say “the media will call us Nazis anyway, so why worry about it?” This is loser talk. If the media screams “Nazi” and they only have images of clean-cut, well dressed guys being polite and smart, the people will believe you. If on the other hand the media screams “Nazi” and you’re out waving Nazi flags, the public will believe the media. That’s how it works. Blaming the media for your failure to grasp this reality is just a way to excuse your lack of discipline and self-regard.

Finally, the main lesson here is that the people in charge are not going to leave the field without a fight. They will fight to the last man. The last few weeks, there has been a whiff of triumphalism on the alt-right, leading up to this event. Listening to Mike Enoch last week, I got the sense he thought this was going to be a great turning point. Richard Spencer was posting his version of the The Port Huron Statement. Charlottesville was a good reminder that we are just at that early days of the great culture war of the 21st century.

I’m fond of saying that it is a long war and everyday will not be sunshine and lollipops. This is the long twilight struggle of our people, so learning how to take a punch, even the self-inflicted ones, is important. The people organizing and trying to build organizations are not professional organizers. They are learning on the fly, so that means making mistakes. Success counts on the leaders learning from mistakes and the rank and file holding them to the highest standard. The leaders need to get better and we need to get better.

Tomorrow, the struggle continues.

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starfcker
starfcker
August 14, 2017 7:31 am

Pay attention, Yobo. This is a pretty good point. “There is always someone who will say “the media will call us Nazis anyway, so why worry about it?” This is loser talk. If the media screams “Nazi” and they only have images of clean-cut, well dressed guys being polite and smart, the people will believe you. If on the other hand the media screams “Nazi” and you’re out waving Nazi flags, the public will believe the media. That’s how it works. Blaming the media for your failure to grasp this reality is just a way to excuse your lack of discipline and self-regard.” That photo of clean cut dudes in polo shirts with the tiki torches was awesome. Those are your neighbors, your colleagues, your people. MY people. Those images are gold.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  starfcker
August 14, 2017 8:11 am

Interesting tidbit: The driver of the car, James Alex Fields, who belonged to a white supremacy group Vanguard America based in Charlottesville is a jew according to the chatter on several sites that I have seen.His mother’s last name is Bloom.

A jewish skinhead white supremacist, if you live long enough you will see it all.

Stubb
Stubb
  Anonymous
August 14, 2017 8:39 am

Yeah, I heard the bus driver’s grandma’s cousin was Italian. Fuckin’ unreal all the coincidences.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
August 14, 2017 11:22 am

Alleged driver.

musket
musket
  starfcker
August 14, 2017 9:00 am

Star: The SW engineer and mba types are totally different and they have no clue as to how to deal with them except thru anger and the usual sullen and morose responses……not a big fan of the tikis though………

BL
BL
  starfcker
August 14, 2017 10:38 am

Star- If you dress a nazi in preppy clothes without the swastikas, are they any less nazis? That does not change their goals. Glad you thought that charade was awesome.

starfcker
starfcker
  BL
August 14, 2017 1:23 pm

Bea, the protest was about removal of some confederate monument. That ain’t my issue, either, but I don’t like it. I don’t believe in letting pussies push you around on anything. Don’t like a statue of Robert E. Lee? Tough shit. Society can’t function if we cater to the whims of someone who feels offended. I used to live down by the beach, in a town called Hollywood. Right up the street was a park called Young Circle. They had a display (been there since I was a little kid) of the five flags that have flown over Florida. One of them was the confederate flag. That’s not an insult. That’s HISTORY. Lefties got it taken down. At this point in time, it doesn’t symolize anything. There are plenty of people who feel that way besides me. That doesn’t make me a nazi, or a kkk footsoldier. ZMan is right, those people are fools, they are ready made cartoon bad guys for the left to grandstand about, and self defeating. That said, what about Yo, and those like him? It’s exactly the same thing. Let’s pretend Yo never mentioned jews, or Nazi’s for a second. Now what’s your beef? Yo has been here longer than me. I have no real issue with him, other than posting nazi shit on TBP. I hate the Nazi shit, but for the same reasons as above. I’m not a racially sensitive person. Racism isn’t my issue. Do I hate someone pointing out the rest of what be points out? Of course not. I’m a big fan of him walking right up to that edge, I would encourage him to curl his toes over that edge. I don’t worry about the evil that lurks in the heart of men. It’s how you behave that matters. Those dudes in preppy clothes with tiki torches are showing the world they intend to stand up and be counted. I’ll bet most of them could care less about Nazi’s or KKK. They care about the destruction of America by leftist trash. I admire them.

BL
BL
  starfcker
August 14, 2017 2:28 pm

I’m sure you believe what you are saying.

starfcker
starfcker
  BL
August 14, 2017 4:29 pm

Just curious, what part of that do you find hard to believe?

BB
BB
August 14, 2017 8:29 am

The alt-right must clean up it’s image if it is to appeal to the white middle class.No more Nazis flags ,no more Hitler talk .They should be well shaved and wear clean nice clothes.When I saw the images yesterday I knew the media would use slander and lies to deceive the white public.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  BB
August 14, 2017 9:15 am

I agree with BB, gotta drop the Nazi flags and KKK shit. The white race is superior in so many ways. It’s obvious. Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia – it’s not white people doing the killings. Every city that’s filled with niggers is a shit hole.

White people didn’t block the freeway (when the white woman was murdered by a Somali cop – here in Minneapolis.)

I’m sick of BLM, and all the niggers that want to invent ways for them to get even more ‘free’ money.

That’s what these ‘white’ marches should be about.

norman franklin
norman franklin
August 14, 2017 10:11 am

Most excellent analysis Dutch. The ((rotten)) fruit of progressives is all that needs to be hammered on. Continue to point out the epic fails that all the nig-nog run leftists shit holes have become and you win the argument with the center. As for the nazi flags, leave them at home. The Alt right needs to soul search and decide today. Do you want to be right or do you want to win?

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 14, 2017 10:32 am
Maggie
Maggie
  Diogenes
August 14, 2017 11:31 am
AC
AC
  Administrator
August 14, 2017 11:22 am

Watson really is a piece of shit. His ‘new right’ is the left.

JLW
JLW
August 14, 2017 10:48 am

You can bet that many of the Nazi flag types are scum bag Fed informants and agitators.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  JLW
August 14, 2017 10:53 am

Yup. Just as the “rash” of threats to Jewish centers were caused by… *shock*… Jews. And the mosque burning was by a Muslim. And the black church was burned by a black man. And the hijab removal was a lie, etc. etc.

TJF
TJF
August 14, 2017 11:06 am

Did something happen in Charlottesville over the weekend? All I saw was a headline that said, “Jaywalker Struck and Killed by a Car”. The article then went on to say that the driver fled the scene to escape an angry mob that was attacking him.

GilbertS
GilbertS
August 14, 2017 3:24 pm

I concur with his point about dress. When I see protesters and they’re all dressed like filthy vagrants and thugs, I tend to write them off immediately, no matter what the cause or its value. If I were in charge of a protest, I would have all the affinity group leaders institute a strict Sunday Church Dress Code. No polo and slacks or shirt and tie, no march.
I’m not a nazi, but I can’t help offering the nazis this advice: Drop the antique German political symbols from 100 years ago. If you really think waving that crap and wearing the memorabilia is relevant, you’re a fool. You look foolish. You’re a poseur. If you can’t find your own original symbology that doesn’t include the swastika, the lightning bolt, or the iron cross, you’re already out. And leave the Confederate Battle Flag at home, too. It’s not relevant and if you were a true Son of the South, you would fly the Stars and Bars. And most people would assume you were a patriot, since they wouldn’t know the Stars and Bars if they were wrapped in them and lit on fire.

Nothing makes you look like a retarded hick faster than showing off that nazi shit.

Like I said, I would do a protest strictly with dress clothes. Let the support and security people worry about specialized gear and baseball helmets and whatnot. The bulk of the march needs to be clean-cut guy-nextdoor types. No angry shouts, no nasty words. THink of Wacko Glenn Beck’s 9/12 march where everyone was just family types. The left could call names, but everyone who showed up was nice, clean-cut, decent, they didn’t leave a massive mess behind them, and it was inclusive-there were all races in that march. You can have a protest without turning into a batshit crazy yelling match. And when the left shows up to attack, THAT is where your designated security and support groups go into action. A goonsquad of bikers (remember Gathering of Eagles?) can wall of the wackos while the clean-cut folks march. Just my .02

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
August 14, 2017 5:30 pm

Gee, who’d a thunked it??? Using Nazi symbolism & KKK symbolism failed to send the intended message? I fucking SHOCKED! Fucking losers shot themselves in the foot before they ever left their front door to fight.

It matters not though. The alt-right won’t win like this. There’s no coherent message from the alt-right being put forth, there’s no leadership, there’s no plan beyond “demonstrate”. The other day I posted this link…I doubt anyone looked at it but this would be a good time to have a look because these leftist asswipes have a plan, they have a playbook and it’s right here: https://itsgoingdown.org/

EDIT: Forgot to add that labeling Generation Z as Generation Zyklon is as equally fucked up as using Nazi and KKK symbolism. Assclowns!!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  IndenturedServant
August 14, 2017 6:14 pm

You sound like the leftists who kept saying “THIS TIME Trump has totally gone TOO FAR and everyone is gonna turn on him now!!!” every day up until the election.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
August 14, 2017 6:42 pm

Fact is the alt-right…….new and old got fucking pwned this past weekend. Perfectly destroyed.

I sincerely doubt they’ll recover with the media now fully in charge of directing the message.

Tea Party – 0
Alt-right – 0
New alt-right – negative 1,000,000

Anyone who’s been here long enough will likely recall that I called this shit years ago………some fringe group would go full retard and bring down hell on all the good being attempted.

No goal. No Plan. No leadership. = Full on fail. Enjoy assclowns!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  IndenturedServant
August 14, 2017 6:53 pm

You posted this twice? IndenturedServant… you’re starting to act a bit like Shia. The alt-right and /pol/ starting to get under your skin? This doesn’t end well if you don’t stop long enough to take a deep breath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvath7wUa4M

rhs jr
rhs jr
August 14, 2017 11:28 pm

I was the North Florida Coordinator for Florida Prop 209; the KKK wanted to come to events in their garb but I told them anything KKK would be poison and I’d have them ejected; they seemed crude. I did meet a number of young National Socialist but they were perfect gentlemen that you’d mistake for GIs.

Truther
Truther
August 15, 2017 10:30 am

Everyone here is talking about putting lipstick on a pig (making nazis wear dress shirts and shit, image control to gain wider appeal). The Tea Party was the alt right the middle class were part of. The spooks infiltrated and posed as nazis etc and worked with CNN to promote the Tea Party as alt right racists because there was no leadership. Nobody was there to defend from the top so it dissolved because polo wearing middle aged men with families, good jobs, and a mortgage cannot afford to lose everything when their face is plastered on CNN as a nazi. There must be a million man march of the original Tea Party with real men with real beliefs of patriotism, clean cut to gain wider appeal. Oh and there must be great non controversial leadership. Maybe even somewhat of a widely appealing non denominational religious bent (non violent etc). Then no matter what CNN does these men won’t lose their jobs. Of course the spooks will probably drive a car though another crowd and pose as one of these million men so CNN can then debunk the movement. Nobody worth their salt is willing to pose as a loser lefty and do something stupid to destroy the left because then (just like the congressional shooting at a baseball game) it made news for 7 hours then CNN dropped it like a hot potato because that was against their narrative. No men marched (they were at work to pay their mortgage). Either we must take vacation days and march when the left fuck up or we lose this war. The war being a patriotic love of America. Not a white America etc. nothing wrong with being a nationalist for everyone but the media and govt work together to the keep the public fractured. Nothing scares the govt more than a united citizenry that will hold them accountable. Trump has now made the 30 fake republicans show their true colors. Both parties are working together to maintain control and power. If you do not see this you are a mindless fool.