Whatever Happened to America?

Guest Post by Paul Craig Roberts

Over the course of my lifetime America has become an infantile country.

When I was born America was a nation. Today it is a diversity country in which various segments divided by race, gender, and sexual preference, preach hate toward other segments. Currently white heterosexual males are losing in the hate game, but once hate is unleashed it can turn on any and every one. Working class white males understand that they are the new underclass in a diversity country in which everyone has privileges except them. Many of the university educated group of heterosexual white males are too brainwashed to understand what is happening to them. Indeed, some of them are so successfully brainwashed that they think it is their just punishment as a white male to be downtrodden.

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Donald Trump’s presidency has been wrecked by hate groups, i.e., the liberal/progressive/left who hate the “racist, misogynist, homophobic, gun nut working class” that elected Trump (see Eric Draitser, “Why He Won,” in CounterPunch, vol. 23, No. 1, 2017). For the liberal/progressive/left Trump is an illegitimate president because he was elected by illegitimate voters.

Today the American left hates the working class with such intensity that the left is comfortable with the left’s alliance with the One Percent and the military/security complex against Trump.

America, the melting pot that produced a nation was destroyed by Identity Politics. Identity Politics divides a population into hate groups. This group hates that one and so on. In the US the most hated group is a southern white heterosexual male.

To rule America Identity Politics is competing with a more powerful group—the military/security complex supported by the neoconservative ideology of American world hegemony.

Currently, Identity Politics and the military/security complex are working hand-in-hand to destroy President Trump. Trump is hated by the powerful military/security complex because Trump wanted to “normalize relations with Russia,” that is, remove the “Russian threat” that is essential to the power and budget of the military/security complex. Trump is hated by Identity Politics because the imbeciles think no one voted for him but racist, misogynists, homophobic gun-nuts.

The fact that Trump intended to unwind the dangerous tensions that the Obama regime has created with Russia became his hangman’s noose. Designated as “Putin’s agent,” President Trump is possibly in the process of being framed by a Special Prosecutor, none other than member of the Shadow Government and former FBI director Robert Mueller. Mueller knows that whatever lie he tells will be accepted by the media presstitutes as the Holy Truth. However, as Trump, seeking self-preservation, moves into the war camp, it might not be necessary for the shadow government to eliminate him.

So the Great American Democracy, The Morally Pure Country, is actually a cover for the profits and power of the military/security complex. What is exceptional about America is the size of the corruption and evil in the government and in the private interest groups that control the government.

It wasn’t always this way. In 1958 at the height of the Cold War a young Texan, Van Cliburn, 23 years of age, ventured to show up at the International Tchaikovsky Piano Competition in Moscow. Given the rivalry between the military powers, what chance did an American have of walking away with the prize? The cold warriors of the time would, if asked, had said none.

But Van Cliburn electrified the audience, the Moscow Symphony, and the famous conductor. His reception by the Soviet audience was extraordinary. The judges went to Khrushchev and asked, “Can we give the prize to the American?” Khrushchev asked, “Was he the best.” The answer, “Yes.” “Well, then give him the prize.”

The Cold War should have ended right there, but the military/security complex would not allow it.

You can watch the performance here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV4wyxHMY9I

In other words, the Soviet Union, unlike America today, did not need to prevail over the truth. The Soviets gave what has perhaps become the most famous of all prizes of musical competition to an American. The Soviets were able to see and recognize truth, something few Americans any longer can do.

The supporters of this website are supporters because, unlike their brainwashed fellows who are tightly locked within The Matrix, they can tell the difference between truth and propaganda. The supporters of this website comprise the few who, if it is possible, will save America and the world from the evil that prevails in Washington.

Van Cliburn came home to America a hero. He went on to a grand concert career. If Van Cliburn had been judged in his day, as Donald Trump is today for wanting to defuse the dangerously high level of tensions with Russia, Van Cliburn would have been greeted on his return with a Soviet prize as a traitor. The New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, NPR and the rest of the presstitutes would have denounced him up one street and down another. How dare Van Cliburn legitimize the Soviet Union by participating in a music competition and accepting a Soviet prize!

Did you know that Van Cliburn, after his talented mother had provided all the music instruction she could, studied under a RUSSIAN woman? What more proof do you need that Van Cliburn was a traitor to America? Imagine, he studied under a RUSSIAN! I mean, really! Isn’t this a RUSSIAN connection?!

How can we avoid the fact that all those music critics at the New York Times and Washington Post were also RUSSIAN agents. I mean, gosh, they actually praised Van Cliburn for playing RUSSIAN music in MOSCOW so well.

Makes a person wonder if Ronald Reagan wasn’t also a RUSSIAN agent. Reagan, actually convinced Van Cliburn to come out of retirement and to play in the White House for Soviet leader Gorbachev, with whom Reagan was trying to end the Cold War.

I am making fun of what passes for reasoning today. Reason has been displaced by denunciation. If someone, anyone, says something, that can be misconstrued and denounced, it will be, the meaning of what was said not withstanding. Consider the recent statement by the Deputy Prime Minister of Japan, Taro Aso, in an address to members of his ruling political party. He said: “I don’t question your motives to be a politician. But the results are important. Hitler, who killed millions of people, was no good, even if his motives were right.”

To anyone capable of reason, it is perfectly clear that Aso is saying that the ends don’t justify the means. “Even if” is conditional. Aso is saying that even if Hitler acted in behalf of a just cause, his means were impermissible.

Aso, a man of principle, is instructing his party’s politicians to be moral beings and not to sacrifice morality to a cause, much less an American cause of Japanese rearmament so as to amplify Washington’s aggression toward China.

The response to a simple and straight forward statement that not even in politics do the ends justify the means was instant denunciation of the Deputy Prime Minister for “shameful” and “dangerous” remarks suggesting that Hitler “had the right motives.”

Arrgh! screamed the Simon Wiesenthal Center which saw a new holocaust in the making. Reuters reported that Aso had put his foot in his mouth by making remarks that “could be interpreted as a defense of Adolf Hitler’s motive for genocide during World War Two.” Even RT, to which we normally look for real as opposed to fake news, joined in the misreporting. The chairman of the Japanese opposition party joined in, terming Aso’s statement that the ends don’t justify the means “a serious gaffe.”

Of course the South Koreans and the Chinese, who have WWII resentments against Japan, could not let the opportunity pass that the Western media created, and also unloaded on Japan, condemning the Deputy Prime Minister as a modern advocate of Hitlerism. The Chinese and South Koreans were too busy settling old scores to realize that by jumping on Aso they were undermining the Japanese opposition to the re-militarization of Japan, which will be at their expense.

Aso is astonished by the misrepresentation of his words. He said, “I used Hitler as an example of a bad politician. It is regrettable that my comment was misinterpreted and caused misunderstanding.”

It seems that hardly anyone was capable of comprehending what Aso said. He clearly denounced Hitler, declaring Hitler “no good,” but no one cared. He used the word, “Hitler,” which was sufficient to set off the explosion of denunciation. Aso responded by withdrawing Hitler as his example of a “bad politician.” And this is a victory?

The media, even RT alas, was quick to point out that Aso was already suspect. In 2013 Aso opposed the overturning of Japan’s pacifist constitution that Washington was pushing in order to recruit Japan in a new war front against China. Aso, in the indirect way that the Japanese approach dissent, said “Germany’s Weimar Constitution was changed [by the Nazis] before anyone knew. It was changed before anyone else noticed. Why don’t we learn from the technique?” Aso’s remarks were instantly misrepresented as his endorsement of surreptitiously changing Japan’s constitution, which was Washington’s aim, whereas Aso was defending its pacifist constraint, pointing out that Japan’s pacificist Contitution was being changed without voters’ consent.

An explanation of Aso’s words, something that never would have needed doing prior to our illiterate times, has its own risks. Many Americans confuse an explanation with a defense. Thus, an explanation can bring denunciation for “defending a Japanese nazi.” Considering the number of intellectually-challenged Americans, I expect to read many such denunciations.

This is the problem with being a truthful writer in these times. More people want someone to denounce than want truth. Truth-tellers are persona non grata to the ruling establishment and to proponents of Identity Politics. It is unclear how much longer truth will be permitted to be expressed. Already it is much safer and more remunerative to tell the official lies than to tell the truth.

More people want their inculcated biases and beliefs affirmed by what they read than want to reconsider what they think, expecially if changing their view puts them at odds with their peers. Most people believe what is convenient for them and what they want to believe. Facts are not important to them. Indeed, Americans deny the facts before their eyes each and every day. How can America be a superpower when the population for the most part is completely ignorant and brainwashed?

When truth-tellers are no more, it is unlikely they will be missed. No one will even know that they are gone. Already, gobs of people are unable to follow a reasoned argument based on undisputed facts.

Take something simple and clear, such as the conflict over several decades between North and South leading to the breakup of the union. The conflict was economic. It was over tariffs. The North wanted them in order to protect northern industry from lower priced British manufactures. Without tariffs, northern industry was hemmed in by British goods and could not develop.

The South did not want the tariffs because it meant higher prices for the South and likely retaliation against the South’s export of cotton. The South saw the conflict in terms of lower income forced on southerners so that northern manufacturers could have higher incomes. The argument over the division of new states carved from former Indian territories was about keeping the voting balance equal in Congress so that a stiff tariff could not be passed. It is what the debates show. So many historians have written about these documented facts.

Slavery was not the issue, because as Lincoln said in his inaugural address, he had no inclination and no power to abolish slavery. Slavery was a states rights issue reserved to the states by the US Constitution.

The issue, Lincoln said in his inaugural address, was the collection of the tariff. There was no need, he said, for invasion or bloodshed. The South just needed to permit the federal government to collect the duties on imports. The northern states actually passed an amendment to the Constitution that prohibited slavery from ever being abolished by the federal government, and Lincoln gave his support.

For the South the problem was not slavery. The legality of slavery was clear and accepted by Lincoln in his inaugural address as a states right. However, a tariff was one of the powers given by the Constitution to the federal government. Under the Constitution the South was required to accept a tariff if it passed Congress and was signed by the President. A tariff had passed two days prior to Lincoln’s inaugeration.

The South couldn’t point at the real reason it was leaving the union—the tariff—if the South wanted to blame the north for its secession. In order to blame the North for the breakup of the union (the British are leaving the European Union without a war), the South turned to the nullification by some northern states of the federal law and US Constitutional provision (Article 4, Section 2) that required the return of runaway slaves. South Carolina’s secession document said that some Northern states by not returning slaves had broken the contract on which the union was formed. South Carolina’s argument became the basis for the secession documents of other states.

In other words, slavery became an issue in the secession because some Northern states—but not the federal government—refused to comply with the constitutional obligation to return property as required by the US Constitution.

South Carolina was correct, but the northern states were acting as individual states, not as the federal government. It wasn’t Lincoln who nullified the Fugative Slave Act, and states were not allowed to nulify constitutional provisions or federal law within the powers assigned to the federal government by the Constitution. Lincoln upheld the Fugative Slave Act. In effect, what the South did was to nullify the power that the Constitution gives to the federal government to levy a tariff. Apologists for the South ignore this fact. The South had no more power under the Constitution to nullify a tariff than northern states had to nullify the Fugative Slave Act.

Slavery was not, under the Constitution, a federal issue, but the tariff was. It was the South’s refusal of the tariff that caused Lincoln to invade the Confederacy.

You need to undersand that in those days people thought of themselves as citizens of the individual states, not as citizens of the United States, just as today people in Europe think of themselves as citizens of France, Germany, Italy, etc., and not as citizens of the European Union. In was in the states that most government power resided. Robert E. Lee refused the offer of the command of the Union Army on the grounds that it would be treasonous for him to attack his own country of Virginia.

Having explained history as it was understood prior to its rewrite by Identity Politics (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/23/know-called-civil-war-not-slavery/), which has thrown history down the Orwellian Memory Hole, I was accused of “lying about the motivations of the South” by a reason-impaired reader.

In this reader we see not only the uninformed modern American but also the rudness of the uninformed modern American. I could understand a reader writing that perhaps I had misunderstood the secession documents, but “lying about the motivations of the South”? It is extraordinary to be called a liar by a reader incapable of understanding the issues. President Lincoln and the northern states gave the South complete and unequivable assurances about slavery, but not about tariffs.

The reader sees a defense of slavery in the secession documents but is unable to grasp the wider picture that the South is making a states rights argument that some northern states, in the words of the South Carolina secession document, “have denied the rights of property . . . recognized by the Constitution.” The reader saw that the documents mentioned slavery but not tariffs, and concluded that slavery was the reason that the South seceded.

It did not occur to the reason-impaired reader to wonder why the South would secede over slavery when the federal government was not threatening slavery. In his inaugural address Lincoln said that he had neither the power nor the inclination to forbid slavery. The North gave the South more assurances about slavery by passing the Corwin Amendment that added to the existing constitutional protection of slavery by putting in a special constitutional amendment upholding slavery. As slavery was under no threat, why would the South secede over slavery?

The tariff was a threat, and it was a tariff, not a bill outlawing slavery, that had just passed. Unlike slavery, which the Constitution left to the discretion of individual states, tariffs were a federal issue. Under the Constitution states had no rights to nullify tariffs. Therefore, the South wanted out.

It also does not occur to the reason-impaired reader that if the war was over slavery why have historians, even court historians, been unable to find evidence of that in the letters and diaries of the soldiers on both sides?

In other words, we have a very full context here, and none of it supports that the war was fought over slavery. But the reader sees some words about slavery in the secession documents and his reasoning ability cannot get beyond those words.

This is the same absence of reasoning ability that led to the false conclusion that the Deputy Prime Minister of Japan was an admirer of Hitler.

Now for an example of an emotionally-impaired reader, one so emotional that he is unable to comprehend the meaning of his own words. This reader read Thomas DiLorenzo’s article (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/21/lincoln-myth-ideological-cornerstone-america-empire/) and my article (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/28/weaponization-history-journalism/) as an “absolution of the South” and as “whitewashing of the South.” Of what he doesn’t say. Slavery? Secession? All that I and DiLorenzo offer are explanations. DiLorenzo is a Pennsylvanian. I grew up in the South but lived my life outside it. Neither of us are trying to resurrect the Confederacy. As I understand DiLorenzo, his main point is that the so- called “civil war” destroyed the original US Constitution and centralized power in Washington in the interest of Empire. I am pointing out that ignorance has spawned a false history that is causing a lot of orchestrated hate. Neither of us thinks that the country needs the hate and the division hate causes. We need to be united against the centralized power in Washington that is turning on the people.

Carried away by emotion, the reader dashed off an article to refute us. My interest is not to ridicule the reader but to use him as an example of the emotionally-impaired American. Therefore, I am protecting him from personal ridicule by not naming him or linking to his nonsensical article. My only interest is to illustrate how for too many Americans emotion precludes reason.

First, the reader in his article calls DiLorenzo and I names and then projects his sin upon us, accusing us of “name-calling,” which he says is “a poor substitute for proving points.”

Here is his second mistake. DiLorenzo and I are not “proving points.” We are stating long established known facts and asking how a new history has been created that is removed from the known facts.

So how does the emotionally-disturbed reader refute us in his article? He doesn’t. He proves our point.

First he acknowledges “what American history textbooks for decades have acknowledged: The North did not go to War to stop slavery. Lincoln went to war to save the Union.”

How does he get rid of the Corwin Amendment. He doesn’t. He says everyone, even “the most ardent Lincoln-worshipping court historian,” knows that the North and Lincoln gave the South assurances that the federal government would not involve itself in the slavery issue.

In other words, the reader says that there is nothing original in my article or DiLorenzo’s and that it is just the standard history, so why is he taking exception to it?

The answer seems to be that after agreeing with us that Lincoln did not go to war over slavery and gave the South no reason to go to war over slavery, the reader says that the South did go to war over slavery. He says that the war was fought over the issue of expanding slavery into new states created from Indian territories.

This is an extremely problematic claim for two indisputable reasons.

First, the South went to war because Lincoln invaded the South.

Second, the South had seceded and no longer had any interest in the status of new territories.

As I reported in my article, it is established historical record that the conflict over the expansion of slavery as new states were added to the Union was a fight over the tariff vote in Congress. The South was trying to keep enough representation to block the passage of a tariff, and the North was trying to gain enough representation to enact protectionism over the free trade South.

It is so emotionally important to the reader that the war was over slavery that he alleges that the reason the South was not seduced by the Corwin Amendment is that it did not guarantee the expansion of slavery into new states, but only protected slavery in those states in which it existed. In other words, the reader asserts that the South fought for an hegemonic ideology of slavery in the Union. But the South had left the Union, so clearly it wasn’t fighting to expand slavery outside its borders. Moreover, the North gave the South no assurances over the South’s real concern—its economic exploitation by the North. The same day the North passed the Corwin Amendment the North passed the tariff. Clearly, it was not assurances over slavery that mattered to the South. Slavery was protected by states rights. It was the tariff that was important to the South.

Whereas the tariff was the issue that brought the conflict to a head, correspondence between Lord Acton and Robert E. Lee shows that the deeper issue was liberty and its protection from centralized power. On November 4, 1866, Lord Acton wrote to Robert E. Lee: “I saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will, and secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy.” Acton saw in the US Constitution defects that could lead to the rise of despotism. Acton regarded the Confederate Constitution as “expressly and wisely calculated to remedy” the defects in the US Constitution. The Confederate Constitution, Acton said, was a “great Reform [that] would have blessed all the races of mankind by establishing true freedom purged of the native dangers and disorders of Republics.” https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/09/no_author/famed-libertarian-writes-robert-e-lee/

Lee replied: “I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it.”

A present day American unfamiliar with the 18th and 19th century efforts to create a government that could not degenerate into despotism will see hypocrisy in this correspondence and misread it. How, the present day American will ask, could Acton and Lee be talking about establishing true freedom when slavery existed? The answer is that Acton and Lee, like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, understood that there were more ways of being enslaved than being bought and sold. If the battle is lost over the character of government and power becomes centralized, then all are enslaved.

Lee’s prediction of a government “aggressive abroad and despotic at home” has come true. What is despotism if not indefinite detention on suspicion alone without evidence or conviction, if not execution on suspicion alone without due process of law, if not universal spying and searches without warrants?

What I find extraordinary about today’s concern with slavery in the 1800s is the lack of concern with our enslavement today. It is amazing that Americans do not realize that they were enslaved by the passage of the income tax in 1913. Consider the definition of a slave. It is a person who does not own his own labor or the products of his own labor. Of course, if the slave is to live to work another day some of his labor must go to his subsistance. How much depended on the technology and labor productivity. On 19th century southern plantations, the slave tax seems to have been limited short of the 50% rate.

When I entered the US Treasury as Assistant Secretary, the top tax rate on personal income was 50%. During the medieval era, serfs did not own all of their own labor. At the time I studied the era, the top tax rate on serfs was believed to have been limited to one-third of the serf’s working time. Given labor productivity in those days, any higher tax would have prevented the reproduction of the labor force.

So what explains the concern about wage slavery in 1860 but not in 2017?
The answer seems to be Diversity Politics. In 1860 blacks had the burden of wage slavery. In 2017 all have the burden except for the rich whose income is in the form of capital gains and those among the poor who don’t work. Identity Politics cannot present today’s wage slavery as the unique burder of a “preferred minority.” Today those most subjected to wage slavery are the white professionals in the upper middle class. That is where the tax burden is highest. Americans living at public expense are exempted from wage slavery by lack of taxable income. Consequently, the liberal/progressive/left only objects to 19th century wage slavery. 20th Century wage slavery is perfectly acceptable to the liberal/progressive/left. Indeed, they want more of it.

People can no longer think or reason. There seems to be no rational component in their brain, just emotion set into action by fuse-lighting words.
Here is an example hot off the press. This month in Cobb County, Georgia, a car was pulled over for driving under the influence of alcohol. The white police lieutenant requested the ID of a white woman. She replied that she is afraid to reach into her purse for her license, because she has read many stories of people being shot because police officers conclude that they are reaching for a gun. Instead of tasering the woman for non-compliance, yanking her out of the car, and body slamming her, the lieutenant diffused the situation by making light of her concern. “We only shoot black people, you know.” This is what a person would conclude from the news, because seldom is a big stink made when the police shoot a white person.

The upshot of the story is that the lieutenant’s words were recorded on his recorder and when they were entered as part of the incident report, the chief of police announced that the lieutenant was guilty of “racial insensitivity” and would be fired for the offense.

Now think about this. A little reasoning is necessary. How are the words racially insensitive when no black persons were present? How are the words racially insensitive when the lieutenant said exactly what blacks themselves say? And now the clincher: Which is the real insensitivity, saying “we only shoot black people” or actually shooting black people? How is it possible that the officer who uses “racially insensitive” words to diffuse a situation is more worthy of punishment that an officer who actually shoots a black person? Seldom is an officer who has shot a black, white, hispanic, Asian, child, grandmother, cripple, or the family dog ever fired. The usual “investigation” clears the officer on the grounds that he had grounds to fear his life was in danger—precisely the reason the woman didn’t want to reach into her purse.

For a person who tries to tell the truth, writing is a frustrating and discouraging experience. What is the point of writing for people who cannot read, who cannot follow a logical argument because their limited mental capabilities are entirely based in emotion, who have no idea of the consequence of a population imbued with hate that destroys a nation in divisiveness?

I ask myself this question everytime I write a column.

Indeed, given the policies of Google and PayPal it seems more or less certain that before much longer anyone who speaks outside The Matrix will be shut down.

Free speech is only allowed for propagandists. Megyn Kelly has free speech as long as her free speech lies for the ruling establishment. Her lies are proteced by an entire media network backed by the Shadow Goverment and the Deep State.

 

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Art
Art
September 18, 2017 8:51 pm

I am really tired of hearing about Hitler. Can anyone make an f-ing point without bringing up Hitler?

TheDeplorableOldeVirginian
TheDeplorableOldeVirginian
  Art
September 19, 2017 3:12 am

First they came for the people who were really tired of hearing about Hitler…

Then they came for the people who were really tired of hearing about the people who were really tired of hearing about Hitler…

Then they came for the people who were really tired of hearing about the people who were really tired of hearing about the people who were really tired of hearing about Hitler…

Sancho
Sancho
September 18, 2017 9:27 pm

“The most hated group is a southern white heterosexual male”
Wrong, you forgot to add “Baptist”
Once, in the south near the Appalachians, while chewing tobacco and spitting in an empty Dr Pepper bottle, that guy told me: “…in today America, being white, heterosexual, poor and anything less that brilliant is the worst s***t that can happen to you…”.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
September 18, 2017 10:10 pm

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Ozum
Ozum
September 19, 2017 1:31 am

Great column, PCR. Love your writing; AND, I can read and understand it ! I’m a rarity, eh wot?

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
September 19, 2017 2:04 am

“Whatever Happened to America?”

Central bankers. That’s what happened.

Ever since before the Revolution these rotten cocksuckers have been meddling in the affairs of this land. They have never stopped…….not even when A. Jackson shook them loose. They always kept pushing, prodding and prying behind the scenes to subjugate this country and it’s citizens. They have had a complete stranglehold on us since Dec. 1913. Almost 104 years.

I’m nearly certain that every single response given by readers to this post will in some way be tied to or traced back to central bankers. But by all means, we should absolutely bitch and moan daily about niggers, beaners, the govt, SJW’s, cultural marxism, communism, fascism, taxes, obesity, our shitty education system, our continual loss of freedom, corruption, crime, inflation, housing, guns, feminism, the WALL, health care, retirement, social security, the welfare state, (s)elections, tRump, Hitlary, Obama, the UN, terrorism, ISIS (pig shit be upon them), Al Qaeda (pig shit be upon them), wars, MIC, oil, student loans, credit cards, seven year car loans, Ninja mortgages, Boomers, Millenials, Gen X’ers, youtube, amazon, google, facebook, twatter, the internet, muslim invaders in europe, EMP’s, nukes, false flags, black swans, Geo. Soros, Bitcoin, gold suppression, silver suppression, confiscation of both, Russia, China, N. Korea, school shootings, drugs, Dreamers, DACA, Merkel, TPP, NSA, CIA, FBI, copfuks, asset forfeiture, military equipment for cops, attacks on the 2A, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, Republicans, democrats, the Swamp, Melania’s choice of choos, BLM, racism, SPLC, the First Wookie’s cock, Iran, Iraq, Somali pirates, socialism, crime, ghettos, rape, rape culture, GMO’s, pizzagate, Monsanto, F-35, hacking, identity theft, credit scores, tattoos, all the various sexual orientation fucking freaks, free speech zones, Constitution Free zones, leftist professors, SHTF, TPTB, shadow govt, deep state, islam (pig shit be upon it), JFK, Dick Cheney, Israel, Syria, Putin, pussy grabbing, rigged (s)elections, the JEWS and a Billion other things that ail this country.

We should absolutely continue to bitch and moan about these things because eventually, one of these centuries, all of this bitching and moaning will finally pay off right?

We sure as fuck don’t want to develop a plan to educate sheople or seek leadership to get rid of the central bankers. Hell, we don’t even want to consider it much less discuss it.

I understand though. If we all worked together and focused on solving the ONE THING that enables everything I mentioned above and more………we’d run out of shit to bitch about and have to grant another central bank a new charter just so we could feel whole again.

It’s for the best really. The sheople would have no idea what to do with the fruits of their own labor. They’d never understand the concept of being debt free or not having their wealth eroded and stolen from them 24/7. They simply wouldn’t be able to function in a world with out inflation. Besides the central bankers have been working so hard for so long, they DESERVE everything they take from us and it would be very unAmerican of us to deprive them of that right? It also wouldn’t be fair to saddle your children and grandchildren with the burden of freedom or to deprive them of their permanent debt servitude right? I thought you’d agree.

So, lets not even try. Just disregard this whole comment, keep bitching about minutia and have a really good day.

BL
BL
  IndenturedServant
September 19, 2017 2:18 am

Excellent comment I/S.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  BL
September 19, 2017 2:19 am

Not really. Just the mindless ramblings of an idiot.

BL
BL
  IndenturedServant
September 19, 2017 2:37 am

Too bad for America we don’t have 300 MILLION idiots just like you. I’m up late with a throbbing tooth, one I just spent a lot of money on and should not be hurting. Story of my miserable life.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  BL
September 19, 2017 3:29 am

Come on up to the PNW and I’ll pop it out in a jiffy! 🙂

Stucky
Stucky
  IndenturedServant
September 19, 2017 7:08 am

I_S

I can feel your frustration oozing from your fingertips.

You are right about Bankers. Even Jesus, meek and mild, threw the sonsofbitches from the temple. They will always be with us, unfortunately. However, if we only, or even mostly talked about Bankers, this would become a boring forum.

During the entire decade I attended church pastored by the greatest teacher I have personally known, Dr. W, a theologian and professor at Fort Wayne Bible College, now Taylor University. I still remember many of his sermons, they were that good.

You said — “We sure as fuck don’t want to develop a plan to educate sheople ….. Hell, we don’t even want to consider it much less discuss it.”.

I don’t think that’s entirely true. Let me explain.

Dr. W gave a sermon titled; “Your Life: More Caught, Less Taught”. His illustrations centered around family (esp children) and Jesus (how most people come to know him).

He said that children are Great Watchers. That they watch what you DO, much much more than what you say, or teach. That if you teach them to respect their mother but, if you treat her with disrespect, then all your teachings are for nothing.

Likewise, he said far more Christians are drawn to the Lord by lives we lead than by the words we say. That you can’t pretend to love your neighbor on Sunday, and treat them like crap on Monday … and then hope to effectively witness to them. They will “catch” the fraud that you are.

Likewise, I think many here (I know I do) “catch” the real issues by the posts we make …. especially when the “real” us is revealed via personal stories/decisions we make. That’s where the rubber meets the road, where real life happens, and is caught.

Just look at yesterday’s QOTD regarding calling yourself. There’s really a LOT of great advice and life stories in the responses that I caught. Sometimes you need to “read between the lines”. Other times it’s right out there: “Buy more gold!!”

All I’m saying is that it’s not as dire as your current frustrations make it appear. We’re all learning a lot from each other …. even when we’re not “teaching”.

Chin up, ol’ boy!!

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Stucky
September 19, 2017 7:45 am

Yep! Yesterday went south the minute I woke up. Shoulda stayed in bed!

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Stucky
September 19, 2017 12:08 pm

There is nothing wrong with banking per se. There is tremendous value in honest banking. Someone needs to protect money from theft, etc. and the lending of money against savings (with appropriate interest paid/charged) is a key foundation of societal growth. But that can only be said about HONEST banking, not fractional reserve banking, or fiat banking, or central banking, or any system involving legal tender laws, etc. And as for Jesus, in addition to merchants, he threw out the money changers, not bankers. Gentile money was not allowed to be used (legal tender laws), so jewish money was required. You can guarantee that if there was a government/religious requirement on money, there was PROFIT to be gained in its exchange. Once again, not HONEST banking or money, but rather government/religious leadership FORCE applied to the free market.

It is important to distinguish these things because it is ONLY dishonest banking that has been the bane of our culture. All the HONEST bankers have been driven from the market by the Federal Reserve and other governmental regulations.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Stucky
September 19, 2017 3:14 pm

Hey Stucky, your response grew quite a bit while I slept. I get your point and you’re right for the most part.

I appreciate the “teaching and learning” that goes on here as much as anyone but nearly everyone of us is already aware. I do believe things are as dire as I make it appear. We all fear the next market crash, race war, civil war, world war, 9/11, EMP, govt owned viruses like that patented version of Ebola owned by the Army that got out a few years back. Every bit of that is financed by the fucking central bankers. Instead of living our lives to the fullest we spend some of it attempting to prepare to survive the evils foisted upon us by unelected assholes.

It just seems to me that bitching about all the stuff that is enabled and paid for by central bank money is no different than coming home to a flooded basement and bailing it out by hand with a one gallon bucket without ever having turned off the source of the flood. Why bother right? I would assume that for intelligent, well aware people which most of TBP are, this should be glaringly obvious.

We’re simply not providing the correct education to the people who need it most. I ponder why that is quite often. The leftists seem to be very adept at using resources like technology and social media in the fight very effectively. They have a plan, a multi pronged plan in fact to bring about some heinous form of socialism to this formerly great land. That is apparent for all to see. They are adept at creating outrage that causes their followers to take action. They have significant financial backing, sympathetic media and even legal experts that keep things largely on track. Their messages are effective whether we like it or not.

Compare that to the conservatives. Is there no one of talent on the right who possesses the same skills, drive and ability to lead and motivate people? Central banking robs every fucking one of us 24/7, democrat and republican alike. It divides and destroys this nation, I cannot believe that short, simple messages similar to effective ad campaigns like “This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs.” cannot be created and deployed on social media etc to educate and inform people at a base level as to how this country is being destroyed. Show people how they are being systematically robbed and made into debt slaves to make the rich, which everyone already hates, richer.

It just seems like a no brainer to put together a group of right leaning, psychologists, advertising experts, tech and social media experts, effective educators and anyone else that could help educate people. We could stop wasting time and energy by arguing about the downside of gun control, education etc when even more heinous shit is being implemented on a weekly basis that works against us. Students are already pissed off and depressed about their financial futures. Why shouldn’t we leverage that before the leftists introduce free college for everyone and it becomes a non-issue?

Stucky
Stucky
  IndenturedServant
September 19, 2017 3:41 pm

“We’re simply not providing the correct education to the people who need it most.”

Education is costly, takes time, and few are interested in. But I understand you point. There’s a faster and easier solution.

Take all your money out of the bank. Stick it under a mattress. Use only cash. Never use credit, or a credit card again. A few tens of millions doing this … just might starve the beast to death.

But, I’ll bet my both my nuts that you deal with the bank.

Why, if you’re so against them?

Well, you have your reasons. And that’s fine. I am NOT judging you or criticizing you, or anything like that. Just pointing out (perhaps the obvious) that it’s easy to rail against the bank, but damn near impossible for you/me/us to divorce them.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Stucky
September 19, 2017 4:35 pm

I’m not sure you understand the distinction between your corner neighborhood bank and the central banks that impoverish the planet. Even if you ended the foreign, privately owned central banks you can still have your neighborhood banks. The Glass-Steagal act was enacted specifically to end the incestuous relationship between consumer banks and the big investment banks. It worked well but limited the evil and profit of the investment banks so under Clinton they finally succeeded in having it repealed and we are currently enjoying the results leading up to The Great Depression v2.0 which many think happened in 2008 but it has not occurred as of yet.

You are correct in that it’s hard to avoid banks. The only interaction I have with banks is for my mortgage and that relationship will end permanently no later than 10-1-2017. On or before that day I will pay off my house and the only remaining debt I have and be debt free for all eternity.

For everything else I use credit unions. Checking, savings and debit/credit cards are all though credit unions. I have one credit card that is used about 4-5 times per year and gets paid in full, usually before the due date, and always before interest charges are added. I only use our debit card to purchase gas. Everything else is paid by cash in person or by check if I have to mail something. I maintain a $200 balance in my checking plus what’s needed to pay any outstanding checks. I maintain $500 in a savings account that has consistently paid 5% since before 2008. Apart from that, all my assets are maintained outside of any bank or credit union.

It’s not about starving the beast. It’s about cutting off the beasts head and shitting down it’s neck. I want nothing less than a full revocation of the feds charter and repeal of the fed reserve act. The United States could then bring back our National Banks with sound money. It won’t be easy. It won’t be painless. And, it will take a great deal of time. I just want to get started. H. Ford said that if the people knew the true nature of our banking system there’d be war by morning.

What I’m really curious to discover is what our traitorous and corrupt politicians have promised to the fed as collateral for all the debt? Apart from the labor of current and unborn citizens, I’m betting that ALL public lands, dams and even our Interstate Highway systems have been pledged as collateral.

Nothing worth doing is ever easy Stucky. That’s why such endeavors are so essential to being human. We need to struggle and suffer make it meaningful and valuable. I should add that I don’t even have kids but I’d go to war right this minute if the end result was ending the central banking stranglehold on this planet.

Stucky
Stucky
  IndenturedServant
September 19, 2017 4:57 pm

Thanks I_S for taking the time.

The first several years we were married (not Ms Freud) we vacationed in St Simons Island, GA. Just a wonderful lovely charming place. Then, we’d take the 20 minute or so drive to Jekyll Island … we’d see the “cottages” of the rich and famous of bygone years. Wow … the wealth.

Oh … bankers. Yeah, I don’t get the full big picture. The beast of Jekyll Island … or whatever that title is … tried to read it once. Then twice. Couldn’t finish it cuz I’m just not into that topic. I might give it another shot. I can see now it’s pretty important.

Again, thanks for the post.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  Stucky
September 19, 2017 5:01 pm

Stuck,

The Creature from Jekyll Island is a pretty good book, but it’s rather dated. I think it was published around the time of the S&L crisis so all of it’s case studies occurred long in the past. However you can skip those parts. I haven’t read Dr. Paul’s End the Fed but it might be the better book on the subject if only because it is recent.

Big Dick
Big Dick
  IndenturedServant
September 19, 2017 10:46 am

I am happy to say I am an equal opportunity hater. You name it, I hate it!

Anon
Anon
  IndenturedServant
September 19, 2017 11:37 am

Wow Indentured, how do we get THAT message out? Imagine a million man march on the Federal Reserve building. Imagine, a bunch of accountants, with mathematical formulas, showing publicly how the Federal Reserve is stealing from all of us continuously.
I have said it to just about everyone that goes off on a tangent about one of the problems you highlight above. I simply tell them that the Federal Reserve, and other central bankers are stealing while we are all looking the other way. When they inevitably ask for the solution, I simply tell them to repeal the Federal Reserve act and the income tax act. The rest will fix itself. Then the crickets…..

DRUD
DRUD
  IndenturedServant
September 19, 2017 5:42 pm

Just set it to music and you’ve got the 21st century version of “We Didn’t Start the Fire.”

BL
BL
September 19, 2017 3:01 am

PCR fell off of my list of people worth reading, all of the bullshit academe are out in the open now for what/who they are. Time for Mericans to stand on their own, we don’t need mouthpieces to tell us how to think and what to think.

Enough already with these blowhards and celebs crafting the narrative for the ruling cabal to stay in complete control. Enough already with the actor politicians and banksters. It is all really just enough.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
September 19, 2017 9:31 am

Don’t need people to tell us what and how to think?

That won’t be a popular idea in this age of itching ears.

BL
BL
  Anonymous
September 19, 2017 11:42 am

Anon- You are right……people just can’t get enough of divide and conquer blather to the nth degree every damn day. I’m sick of the constant nyah, nyah everywhere. I’m ready to tune out of this insanity completely.

Axel
Axel
September 19, 2017 6:13 am

I do like the fact that he brought up “denunciation” as a primary principle by which many operate today. Kinda like screaming, ” she’s a witch!” in the Salem of old. The act demonizes the target at the same time reinforces the perception of “virtue” of the denouncer. Astounding that in our technologically advanced and supposedly enlightened age that we fall back on old failings of human nature. But that’s all part of Fourth Turnings, isn’t it. To fall back into failings of the past?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Axel
September 19, 2017 9:33 am

But maybe she is a witch?

Better not take any chances, better safe than sorry ya’ know.

racistwhiteguy
racistwhiteguy
September 19, 2017 11:35 am

Two things happened that forever ruined this country…the 19th amendment and the civil rights amendment.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
September 19, 2017 12:05 pm

Whatever happened?

1) War on Drugs
2) NeoCons
3) Repeal of glass steagall
4) Israel
5) The entire fucking Bush family
6) War on Terror