The Moon landing and the shape of the Earth are different topics.
My cornerstone in both cases has been ‘why would you place your trust in people and organizations that have been proven to lie and fabricate evidence routinely over long spans of time in order to obtain wealth and power?’
Liars sometimes tell the truth- and it may very well be the case with both narratives- however experience has led me to believe that it is foolish to place trust in anyone or any institution which has proven themselves to be willing to use falsehoods intentionally to mask their actual intentions.
I only heckled a guy one time at Joker’s Club downtown OKC. I had too many shots and I wasn’t being mean, just a sloppy drunk who thought she was funny. Kind of like now on TBP, except I don’t drink much any more.
I was working Jokers the week of the Murrah bombing.
Not a great week or place to do comedy.
That was also one of my red pill moments- there were two blasts that morning, not one and I remember how there were 2 John Does until there weren’t. Both the second blast and the John Doe #2 just seemed to go down the memory hole.
Murrah Bldg was wakeup call. A lot of odd stuff never seen before and a rather odd perp. I had an appointment with VA there the next week. It cancelled. My rep died.
HSF, that was one of the eye openers for me. What happened to the other John Doe? He was on the news, there was a witness description and a crime artist drawing. It was there for a few days and then they just stopped talking about it, aaaaand it’s gone!
I was going to put this guy’s channel up and suggest that you have several “gigs” going on at the same time… kind of moonlighting as an oriental dude pumping the health benefits of yogurt, farming in New Hampshire raising bottles of syrup and writing philosophical observations on the world for monkeys at TBP.
Then, I came across the WTF podcast and now I’m beginning to think you really ARE a master of Dis Gize and Sub Ter Fooge.
Robbo, the entire episode can be summarized as – Shit Happens. Sometimes your on the wrong road and then something happens and you find yourself set straight, so to speak.
Some folks find out too late there’s no time to change the road you’re on
The apparent differences in those two pictures is easily explained and the explanation can be as easily tested.
I’m sure you have a globe so observe it from varying distances. Better still, take a picture of your globe from say two feet, another from say ten feet. Resize them so the globes are the same diameter and viola!
EL Coyote
January 13, 2018 12:32 pm
Ptolemy was white, right? We should never have listened to Coperniggus.
Your first link was a WTF? But you recovered nicely with Sinatra in the second. Some say that “vinyl” sounded better. That’s only because the music was better.
Vodka, they sing the song Volare as a group in the movie Mondays in the Sun. It’s in Spanish, the singer relates a dream as the earth receded and as the moon set his dream receded. Then the verse says – and I flew and I sang and I plucked colored stars…All this is missing from the English version that totally skews the meaning of the song.
When Poppa G passed, Nick called and my son and I joined him at his father’s bedside within five minutes. We put this album on the stereo and sat with him until the mortuary services came. Hospice was there, but we asked her to wait outside.
In a similar vein,
Dad had passed 20 years earlier. Mom had found a friendly gentleman, and they used to hit the senior circuit for dancing, and loved swing music. She outlasted that dude, too.
Fast forward a few years, and age and possibly genetics? start taking their toll, and here came dementia. (Her older sis succumbed to it).
Ma had a table top cassette player with an assorted collection of swing era tapes.
As she slipped from dementia into full blown Alzie’s, one of us kids would try to visit her daily in the assisted living facility, where all those poor souls were essentially on ‘lock down’ to prevent wandering off.
But when I’d visit, I’d plug in a tape of that music to try and re-fire some broken synapses of memory in her.
One day, I stopped at the caretakers desk (unsung heroes, in a good facility).
I was chatting with 3 young ladies and was telling them what I mentioned above.
I said when I play some swing music for Mom, she sits on the couch, and I try to get her to dance again, like the days she enjoyed. I said this white boy tries to move like she did, when I’d seen her with a smile and her moves.
I told the girls, “but, she doesn’t get up off the couch and join me here. She just laughs at me.”
Twenty minutes later, I’m in Mom’s room, and left the front door open.
Cued the tape, and I started dancing, but my back was to the door.
Made a spin move, turned, and saw one of the aforementioned caretaker gals standing in the doorway watching. Groan.
She says to me: “She’s right to laugh. You ain’t got any rhythm at all.” …and walked away.
Here ya go, mammy.
Missin’ ya Babe, and I hope you’re at peace wherever ya are. You earned it.
I worked with this old guy in South Houston at a refinery who insisted when he was driving truck in the 60s, he stopped at the little dive near Hollywood to shoot a game of pool and met (and spent the night with) Doris Day. Or Debbie Reynolds. He said he was really really drunk and wasn’t sure which one it was.
LOL
Thunderbird
January 13, 2018 1:16 pm
Without technology how do we prove to ourselves the earth is round? How can we prove to ourselves that the mental perceptions we get from technology is correct? We only have our five senses to verify our experience.
So with our five senses we can verify that the earth is flat by observing that the sun comes up on one side of our flat surface and goes down on the other side of it. What better proof of a flat surface than that?
What about direct knowing? Who among us really knows and can state by experience of direct observation that the earth is round. It is true that if a lie is continuously stated it becomes truth.
So be careful about debunking the obvious fact that our senses are telling us about the earth under our feet being flat.
I hated it when I had a kid in Science class who had their mind welded shut by nonsense: like Useless Idiots who think Darwin was Demonic or CO2 causes Global Warming; to them, facts are lies. Some people think the Earth is flat, or believe the Creation Myths of Genesis, or worse, Marx and Communism are intelligent.
BL
January 13, 2018 2:03 pm
HSF- How do we spin at 1100 MPH around the sun and yet we have many days with little or no wind at all? How is that possible?
Just in case your not being facetious, the operative word is “atmosphere”.
BL
January 13, 2018 2:08 pm
HSF- Would it take additional track to build a rail line on a curvature as opposed to a flat surface? I have read that NO allowance is made for any curvature of the earth by those who are charged with building railways.
Thunderbird
January 13, 2018 2:19 pm
What is really amazing is the lies that science can tell us and we believe. For example we can verify to ourselves using particles of iron that a magnet has a magnetic field and that the path this field has leaves the north pole of the magnet and enters the south pole of the magnet. Yet when it involves the earth the magnetic field path enters at the north pole and leaves the south pole. How is this explained?
Is it possible that the greater insight one has on ‘the true nature of reality’ that perceptions would be different??? for instance; everyone world wide knows water always finds its’ own level… in a swimming pool, small lake, large lake and even the Mediterranean Sea… yet for some reason not the ocean…. yet never when science explains the natural properties of water does one hear ‘except in the ocean’… funny how the navy has a newly developed ‘rail gun’ that is called ‘line of sight’ gun… it will reach 125 miles across the ocean at extremely high velocity… so if the war ship has one of these fore and aft wouldn’t you have line of sight of 250 miles??? amazing to say the least… stay with me here… since curvature by the ‘current formula’ given means that is absolutely impossible… would seem that those designing and experimentally firing this rail gun are uninformed as to the ‘current formula’… their reality is back some 500 years or more… then again it was written in a news article with pictures and video… can’t trust those… let’s trust something else – like hearsay… off point yet real ‘death is only a report card’….
Uncola
January 13, 2018 4:15 pm
The expression on that kid’s face combined with the caption is classic. One of my offspring had such an inquisitive mind and demanded the truth about Santa at age five with a similar type of earnest expression. Pretty cute
MarshRabbit
January 13, 2018 4:36 pm
The Flat Earth types I’ve met, it was all very tongue-in-cheek, functioning more like a social club than science. Kind of like Joe Rockhead’s Volunteer Fire Department on the Flintstones (since Bedrock is made of stone, there was never a fire. It’s just a hang-out).
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TC
January 13, 2018 5:27 pm
I watched an hour documentary on the flat Earth theory, but it failed to make me a believer. The only really interesting tidbit was some time lapse photography on the North Star, which never moves. (If the Earth wobbles on its axis as it goes around the sun resulting in seasons, how does Polaris not move?) It also had clips from NASA that were supposed to be in space, but clearly weren’t. OK, just because NASA has forged some clips doesn’t mean the Earth is flat. Anyone got a scientific documentary that the Earth is flat, then convince me.
jeranism on youtube looks at these questions with a more scientific point of view.
the truth is stranger than fiction’s channel looks into these and other interesting ideas with decidedly christian worldview. he digs into some crazy but relevant stuff.
So long as it’s “flat” enough to garden/grow edible plants on this inland, RURAL portion of of inland, elevated, RURAL, arable, UN-encumbered/UN-addressed county dirt provided to my care by the almighty “Author”, “I be a happy Man”.
RHS Jr
January 13, 2018 5:57 pm
When adults still haven’t learned HS Science, Math, English, History etc, I’m not going to fret about it if they have the God Given sense not to vote Democrat. About the only honest thing Henry Kissinger ever said was it is easier to kill a million Goy than control them. My corollary is: it is infinitely easier to ignore a million fools than educate one.
Thunderbird
January 13, 2018 6:43 pm
For all practical purposes the earth is flat. Roundness and color do not exist without an object of perception by our senses. When we observe the earth around us by our sense of sight it is mostly flat. When we drive across this country by car or truck or when we fly it appears flat. When we sail across the earth on a ship and then sail back to our point of departure the oceans are flat.
Only astro science tells us the earth is round and the universe started with a big bang. With this we have to believe by faith not fact. This is why the flat earth story carries such traction.
We humans are so gullible to suggestion. Why is it that so many believe the earth is round when all the evidence around us shows that the earth is flat?
Who out there has proof by observation that the earth is round?
I can’t even believe this needs to be defended.
This is the kind of stuff that gives “conspiracy theorists” a bad name.
So just cut it out right now, with your flat-earth nonsense.
Bubby Chubbles: on topics ideological we surely disagree most of the time. On flat earth we surely do not. Let me give you some friendly, if unsolicited, advice.
Don’t waste your time. I have spent countless hours debunking this crap and arguing with these morans on YouTube. You will not sway them. They will not listen to reason. If you corner them with facts or mathematics, they will ignore you or lash out.
I’m guessing that you never heard of the black sun….right?
Thunderbird
January 13, 2018 10:53 pm
It is reasonable to assume that the earth is flat because our sense of sight tells us it is so. Even our experience as we travel anywhere tells us it is so.
So what is the point of telling people to ignore their perceptions about the earth and convince them it is round? What does this change in their lives? Nothing.
The perception of roundness of the earth can be compared to an ant noticing that there are people walking around in their world. It doesn’t change anything in their world.
The majority of people do not know by observation or experience that the earth is round. They just accept that it is round because they are told it is. But really they could care less. It takes an act of intelligence from the intellect that seeks greater knowledge to make the observations necessary to confirm that the earth is round. People are more interested in looking down at their cell phones and the drivel coming out of them than to be interested in the workings of the world they live in.
So to them living in their small world it is easy to convince them that the earth is flat. Since our civilization is literally dying don’t be surprised when the schools start teaching that the earth is flat. We who are observing the decline of western thought no longer take for granted that everyone around us is intelligent.
True, T-bird. I always found it funny that people think the earth is flat when EVERY other planet in our solar system is round. We can see them, we know they are vastly different planets in terms of make-up, size and other factors, but there are idiots who think Earth must somehow be different. And then, only because it goes against prevailing scientific knowledge and wisdom.
I’m hoping the ‘parent’ who posted the meme of the kid is just joking, as flat-earthers are the current butt-of-jokes of the Internet. If not, then that child should be taken away due to child abuse.
Ozum
January 14, 2018 1:46 am
Well if it’s flat, and there is the other side, like a coin, then there must be a helluva turn at the rim. I wonder how thick that would be… in feet, or miles ? Can’t we drill through easily enough?
It is generally agreed in the scientific community that the Earth spins on it’s axis at a speed of 1,000 mph. If we were to observe it from the top of the Arctic Circle it would rotate in a prograde manner (counterclockwise, or towards the east).
Let’s assume two 747 aircraft were to depart simultaneously from an airport in Quito, Ecuador (nearest major airport to the equator). One flies east, the other flies west, and both maintain an airspeed of 600 mph.
The aircraft flying west would by flying with the spin of the planet, while the plane flying east would be flying against the spin of the planet.
Please explain why the aircraft flying east wouldn’t arrive at it’s destination earlier than the plane flying west if the earth is spinning while the planes are in midair.
If you could do it in layman’s terms that someone of average intelligence could understand it would be greatly appreciated.
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Because the atmosphere rotates with the Earth. But there could be a difference in flight times because flying into the jet stream. If the atmosphere didn’t rotate with the Earth, we would be fighting several thousands mile an hour windspeeds everyday.
Anonymous
January 14, 2018 9:31 am
If the Earth is round and rotating at a constant rate, one revolution every 24 hours, how is it that days and nights are not of equal length all year round?
Above the Arctic, and below the Antarctic Circles, is the Sun observed to behave as it theoretically should?
axis of rotation relative to orbit of earf around sun.
hardscrabble farmer
January 14, 2018 9:31 am
I’m sorry, I don’t follow.
RiNS
January 14, 2018 9:58 am
Think of it as vectors.
Thunderbird
January 14, 2018 10:01 am
As you say the earth spins counterclockwise at 1000 miles per hour. I have verified the spin counterclockwise by watching the sun come up from the east while in the desert and watching the sun go down in the west while on an island in the pacific. In the desert I was standing latitude 40 looking east and on the pacific island I was standing at the Tropic of Cancer. Visualizing to myself that I was standing sideways between the north and south poles of the earth it appeared that the sun was coming round the planet towards me when observed from the east and it really appeared going around the earth away from me when observed from the west at so called sunset. I have yet to verify the speed of the rotation so will have to trust science on that.
Now the reason the aircraft flying east would arrive at it’s destination sooner than the aircraft flying west is this: The east flying aircraft would be getting a tail wind to help it and the aircraft flying west would be getting a head wind.
Again we have appearances here as far as our senses are concerned. But the intellect can intuit beyond the limitation of our senses with the help of an understanding of physics and mathematics.
Man is a creature of the earth with a body and mind created with limitation. The intellect is a creation of GOD in his image with a conscience. Religion is a creation for man in his limitation to guide his actions. The intellect when used correctly is a path back to GOD.
Everything on Earth, including the atmosphere, is tidally locked by gravity, which means it rotates with the Earth. So the only thing we see on Earth is motion relative to this rotating tableau. It’s true that this rotating motion can create winds, especially in the upper atmosphere, which will cause local effects that affect travel on Earth.
Okay, then why don’t clouds stay tidally locked by gravity and rotate with the Earth at 1,000mph?
Gravity is strong enough to keep the entire atmosphere of the planet locked into a 1:1 ratio of the Earth’s 1,000 mph spin, yet a single mote of dust is free to float upward in my study as I write this. It is so tightly locked to the Earth that the vacuum of space cannot pull it away, yet five-year-olds can fling paper airplanes across the room with ease.
What a strange and magical power this must be. So sayeth the scientiths.
I watched a small part of that David Ickes video while mopping the floor and discovered that the moon is a hollowed out celestial body which holds the equipment the lizard illuminati use to perform global mind control to create the Matrix we all believe to be our world. I would like my matrix modified to include dogs that wipe their feet before coming into the house.
hardscrabble farmer
January 14, 2018 11:26 am
Just so your haid don’t ‘spload, I am neither a believer in nor a disbeliever of Flat Earth/Globe Earth/Oblate Spheroid Earth. I am a doubter of mainstream explanations of how the physical world works as explained by dogmatic scientism in the same way that Martin Luther was skeptical of the Roman Catholic Doctrine of his day.
I have used a lot of cage rattling examples just to get the discussion going and I have also provided a great deal of evidence that points to a systemic abuse of data, information, and images in order to craft a narrative that supports otherwise unsupported claims. NASA is a prime example. They behave as much as a propaganda organization as they do a scientific one and yet they deliberately conceal, mislead or obfuscate that role in the furtherance of whatever their true ends are. Organizations like that do not deserve unquestioning belief in their claims because they have proven themselves unworthy of our trust. That does not mean that they are incapable of telling the truth or that many of their claims are indeed factual, only that one would be foolish to accept them on their face. That’s not the fault of the person who doubts the claims, it is the complete responsibility of the ones who misled the public to begin with.
Let’s be very honest about this- very few people on this planet have the intelligence to fully grasp a fraction of these concepts, never mind enough of them to create any kind of unified theory capable of understanding them on even a superficial level. Most of us, however, do possess the ability to trust in our senses and to observe the world around us and create a system that allows us to survive for seven or eight decades in a hostile environment filled with peril. That says a great deal about our sensory capacity and our instincts in using them.
When someone talks about Gravity, they really don’t have the first clue as to what it is. It is a theory, not a reality and it works in many ways that are contradictory to the premise. For example, it is stated that Gravity is a powerful force that keeps all things tied to the surface of the Earth, from the entire atmosphere that would logically float off into the vacuum of space were it not for this force, to the smallest particle. We would therefore assume that it was a universal force that affected all things equally, yet this is not the case. Take the molecule of water. H2O is bound to the surface of the planet by the force of gravity as evidenced by the seas and by the polar ice caps, but once that molecule alters into it’s gaseous state- Viola! It floats above the surface, away from the force of gravity. In order to account for this gaping hole in gravitational logic, scientists must employ another set of particulars that were heretofore meaningless when we were talking about the exact same molecule. Now gravity takes a back seat to the atmosphere in order to make sense of this observable phenomenon- the same atmoshphere that is said to be held to the surface of the Earth by the powerful force of…GRAVITY!
You can see where anyone with an IQ on the right hand side of the bell curve might raise an eyebrow at that explanation. Further, press a scientist to explain to you the precise cause of Gravity, this powerful/not so powerful force that affects all things equally/on occasion/sometimes/never depending on vacuums/atmospheres/states of matter/proximity to other masses/the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin. The look is priceless.
I’m not here to convince anyone of anything, I’m here to figure things out. If ridicule is your way of helping a neighbor out, then who am I to tell you that you are in error? I can promise you that if something can’t be explained in a manner that can be apprehended logically but is dependent upon formulas only certain people are capable of understanding, then I will almost certainly take a pass and move on to the next puzzle.
When I was getting edumacated in Journalism at the HH Herbert School of Journalism (which HATED the Gaylords until the Gaylords donated a big wad of cash and built the Gaylord College of Journalism right there behind/beside Sooner Stadium need I say more?), I took a class in Quantitative Analysis. Yeah, Master’s Program shit, so what? You making fun of me funny man?
Anyway, the professor, a former geekazoid from CSPAN I think, assigned me to give an hour-long presentation on factor analysis. Idiot. I came in with a 15 slide presentation showing the actual two-dimensional graphic that represents the Integral Calculus and statistical analysis involved in how each factor that appears to have correlation is further analyzed to determine if the statistical value can support the causal relationship between two data points.
I showed MYSELF that a factor analysis has mathematical grounding. The professor LOATHED me. Classmates treated me like a leper.
Whatever. I set the curve in that class and all my classes. Wimpy libtard journalism professors gonna take Maggie on? Really?
Fatty
January 14, 2018 11:41 am
I think gravity is reality not theory, but I don’t know what it is or how it works. I’ve never been satisfied with the various “theories” to explain it and the anomalies hf mentions.
“…and then my young prodigy quoted Isaiah 40:22 and explained to me how neal degrasse tyson is a complete lying douchebag. i love her.”
I love it. Wait until she gets to the Airplane and NASA rocket ship section… with the Moon Rover.
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hsf….even though you are serious, you gave me my 1st chuckle of the day.
You assume I am serious. Sometimes I am comedic.
Yes, but you have a track record on the Moon Landing.
The Moon landing and the shape of the Earth are different topics.
My cornerstone in both cases has been ‘why would you place your trust in people and organizations that have been proven to lie and fabricate evidence routinely over long spans of time in order to obtain wealth and power?’
Liars sometimes tell the truth- and it may very well be the case with both narratives- however experience has led me to believe that it is foolish to place trust in anyone or any institution which has proven themselves to be willing to use falsehoods intentionally to mask their actual intentions.
YMMV
I only heckled a guy one time at Joker’s Club downtown OKC. I had too many shots and I wasn’t being mean, just a sloppy drunk who thought she was funny. Kind of like now on TBP, except I don’t drink much any more.
I was working Jokers the week of the Murrah bombing.
Not a great week or place to do comedy.
That was also one of my red pill moments- there were two blasts that morning, not one and I remember how there were 2 John Does until there weren’t. Both the second blast and the John Doe #2 just seemed to go down the memory hole.
Is Jokers still open? That was a great room.
Jokers is still open.
Murrah Bldg was wakeup call. A lot of odd stuff never seen before and a rather odd perp. I had an appointment with VA there the next week. It cancelled. My rep died.
HSF, that was one of the eye openers for me. What happened to the other John Doe? He was on the news, there was a witness description and a crime artist drawing. It was there for a few days and then they just stopped talking about it, aaaaand it’s gone!
If you were comedic sometimes you would still be working clubs. Perhaps that is why you are farming?
You haven’t been here for long have you Hollywood?
Regrets, I’ve had a few, but then again, too few to mention.
Great song eh!
I was going to put this guy’s channel up and suggest that you have several “gigs” going on at the same time… kind of moonlighting as an oriental dude pumping the health benefits of yogurt, farming in New Hampshire raising bottles of syrup and writing philosophical observations on the world for monkeys at TBP.
Then, I came across the WTF podcast and now I’m beginning to think you really ARE a master of Dis Gize and Sub Ter Fooge.
http://www.wtfpod.com/
Anyway, I’ve had a couple of regrets too, but like you, I did it my way.
Is why I am Maggie, Martha and Mom. And sometimes, Maggita, which I like more and more.
Robbo, the entire episode can be summarized as – Shit Happens. Sometimes your on the wrong road and then something happens and you find yourself set straight, so to speak.
Some folks find out too late there’s no time to change the road you’re on
The apparent differences in those two pictures is easily explained and the explanation can be as easily tested.
I’m sure you have a globe so observe it from varying distances. Better still, take a picture of your globe from say two feet, another from say ten feet. Resize them so the globes are the same diameter and viola!
Ptolemy was white, right? We should never have listened to Coperniggus.
Gallileo was Italian. I coulda married Gallileo and been his inspiration to fly to the Moon. I coulda been a contender.
https://youtu.be/5hxibHJOE5E
Without clicking on the link I am willing to bet $1,000 that I know what one of those clips are.
Just out of curiosity, what’s your guess? And write em down so I don’t cheat.
Your first link was a WTF? But you recovered nicely with Sinatra in the second. Some say that “vinyl” sounded better. That’s only because the music was better.
Vodka, they sing the song Volare as a group in the movie Mondays in the Sun. It’s in Spanish, the singer relates a dream as the earth receded and as the moon set his dream receded. Then the verse says – and I flew and I sang and I plucked colored stars…All this is missing from the English version that totally skews the meaning of the song.
Did you listen to Jerry Vale?
Fly Me to the Moon by Sinatra
edit to add: I did not see Vodka’s comment until I posted my response.
I knew it.
HF, I’m thinking of two numbers between 1 and 10…
3,7
You lose.
When Poppa G passed, Nick called and my son and I joined him at his father’s bedside within five minutes. We put this album on the stereo and sat with him until the mortuary services came. Hospice was there, but we asked her to wait outside.
In a similar vein,
Dad had passed 20 years earlier. Mom had found a friendly gentleman, and they used to hit the senior circuit for dancing, and loved swing music. She outlasted that dude, too.
Fast forward a few years, and age and possibly genetics? start taking their toll, and here came dementia. (Her older sis succumbed to it).
Ma had a table top cassette player with an assorted collection of swing era tapes.
As she slipped from dementia into full blown Alzie’s, one of us kids would try to visit her daily in the assisted living facility, where all those poor souls were essentially on ‘lock down’ to prevent wandering off.
But when I’d visit, I’d plug in a tape of that music to try and re-fire some broken synapses of memory in her.
One day, I stopped at the caretakers desk (unsung heroes, in a good facility).
I was chatting with 3 young ladies and was telling them what I mentioned above.
I said when I play some swing music for Mom, she sits on the couch, and I try to get her to dance again, like the days she enjoyed. I said this white boy tries to move like she did, when I’d seen her with a smile and her moves.
I told the girls, “but, she doesn’t get up off the couch and join me here. She just laughs at me.”
Twenty minutes later, I’m in Mom’s room, and left the front door open.
Cued the tape, and I started dancing, but my back was to the door.
Made a spin move, turned, and saw one of the aforementioned caretaker gals standing in the doorway watching. Groan.
She says to me: “She’s right to laugh. You ain’t got any rhythm at all.” …and walked away.
Here ya go, mammy.
Missin’ ya Babe, and I hope you’re at peace wherever ya are. You earned it.
Thx, big-band just as “relevant” today.
I worked with this old guy in South Houston at a refinery who insisted when he was driving truck in the 60s, he stopped at the little dive near Hollywood to shoot a game of pool and met (and spent the night with) Doris Day. Or Debbie Reynolds. He said he was really really drunk and wasn’t sure which one it was.
LOL
Without technology how do we prove to ourselves the earth is round? How can we prove to ourselves that the mental perceptions we get from technology is correct? We only have our five senses to verify our experience.
So with our five senses we can verify that the earth is flat by observing that the sun comes up on one side of our flat surface and goes down on the other side of it. What better proof of a flat surface than that?
What about direct knowing? Who among us really knows and can state by experience of direct observation that the earth is round. It is true that if a lie is continuously stated it becomes truth.
So be careful about debunking the obvious fact that our senses are telling us about the earth under our feet being flat.
https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round#page-2
I hated it when I had a kid in Science class who had their mind welded shut by nonsense: like Useless Idiots who think Darwin was Demonic or CO2 causes Global Warming; to them, facts are lies. Some people think the Earth is flat, or believe the Creation Myths of Genesis, or worse, Marx and Communism are intelligent.
HSF- How do we spin at 1100 MPH around the sun and yet we have many days with little or no wind at all? How is that possible?
Just in case your not being facetious, the operative word is “atmosphere”.
HSF- Would it take additional track to build a rail line on a curvature as opposed to a flat surface? I have read that NO allowance is made for any curvature of the earth by those who are charged with building railways.
What is really amazing is the lies that science can tell us and we believe. For example we can verify to ourselves using particles of iron that a magnet has a magnetic field and that the path this field has leaves the north pole of the magnet and enters the south pole of the magnet. Yet when it involves the earth the magnetic field path enters at the north pole and leaves the south pole. How is this explained?
http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=65
You’re welcome.
Is it possible that the greater insight one has on ‘the true nature of reality’ that perceptions would be different??? for instance; everyone world wide knows water always finds its’ own level… in a swimming pool, small lake, large lake and even the Mediterranean Sea… yet for some reason not the ocean…. yet never when science explains the natural properties of water does one hear ‘except in the ocean’… funny how the navy has a newly developed ‘rail gun’ that is called ‘line of sight’ gun… it will reach 125 miles across the ocean at extremely high velocity… so if the war ship has one of these fore and aft wouldn’t you have line of sight of 250 miles??? amazing to say the least… stay with me here… since curvature by the ‘current formula’ given means that is absolutely impossible… would seem that those designing and experimentally firing this rail gun are uninformed as to the ‘current formula’… their reality is back some 500 years or more… then again it was written in a news article with pictures and video… can’t trust those… let’s trust something else – like hearsay… off point yet real ‘death is only a report card’….
The expression on that kid’s face combined with the caption is classic. One of my offspring had such an inquisitive mind and demanded the truth about Santa at age five with a similar type of earnest expression. Pretty cute
The Flat Earth types I’ve met, it was all very tongue-in-cheek, functioning more like a social club than science. Kind of like Joe Rockhead’s Volunteer Fire Department on the Flintstones (since Bedrock is made of stone, there was never a fire. It’s just a hang-out).
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I watched an hour documentary on the flat Earth theory, but it failed to make me a believer. The only really interesting tidbit was some time lapse photography on the North Star, which never moves. (If the Earth wobbles on its axis as it goes around the sun resulting in seasons, how does Polaris not move?) It also had clips from NASA that were supposed to be in space, but clearly weren’t. OK, just because NASA has forged some clips doesn’t mean the Earth is flat. Anyone got a scientific documentary that the Earth is flat, then convince me.
what did you watch/who made the vid?
The Flat Earth Conspiracy by Eric Dubay
jeranism on youtube looks at these questions with a more scientific point of view.
the truth is stranger than fiction’s channel looks into these and other interesting ideas with decidedly christian worldview. he digs into some crazy but relevant stuff.
crazy in a dumb way…
yeah, to those who worship rocks and odin it seems dumb.
GREAT! we’re good then
Flat Earf Maff fer Dummies
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So long as it’s “flat” enough to garden/grow edible plants on this inland, RURAL portion of of inland, elevated, RURAL, arable, UN-encumbered/UN-addressed county dirt provided to my care by the almighty “Author”, “I be a happy Man”.
When adults still haven’t learned HS Science, Math, English, History etc, I’m not going to fret about it if they have the God Given sense not to vote Democrat. About the only honest thing Henry Kissinger ever said was it is easier to kill a million Goy than control them. My corollary is: it is infinitely easier to ignore a million fools than educate one.
For all practical purposes the earth is flat. Roundness and color do not exist without an object of perception by our senses. When we observe the earth around us by our sense of sight it is mostly flat. When we drive across this country by car or truck or when we fly it appears flat. When we sail across the earth on a ship and then sail back to our point of departure the oceans are flat.
Only astro science tells us the earth is round and the universe started with a big bang. With this we have to believe by faith not fact. This is why the flat earth story carries such traction.
We humans are so gullible to suggestion. Why is it that so many believe the earth is round when all the evidence around us shows that the earth is flat?
Who out there has proof by observation that the earth is round?
OBSERVATION:
THE EARTH CASTS A ROUND SHADOW ON THE MOON, you idiots…
Doesn’t take any high “technology” to see this.
Plus, didn’t Magellan circumnavigate the globe?
Musta been my lying-liberal school that made that up.
Many people have done it since.. you can even personally take a cruise ship that does it:
https://www.princess.com/learn/cruise-destinations/world-cruises/
I can’t even believe this needs to be defended.
This is the kind of stuff that gives “conspiracy theorists” a bad name.
So just cut it out right now, with your flat-earth nonsense.
https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round#page-2
Bubby Chubbles: on topics ideological we surely disagree most of the time. On flat earth we surely do not. Let me give you some friendly, if unsolicited, advice.
Don’t waste your time. I have spent countless hours debunking this crap and arguing with these morans on YouTube. You will not sway them. They will not listen to reason. If you corner them with facts or mathematics, they will ignore you or lash out.
Ignore them.
A more fun idea that is harder to debunk is the New Chronology being pushed by some Russian mathematicians…
Chubbs
I’m guessing that you never heard of the black sun….right?
It is reasonable to assume that the earth is flat because our sense of sight tells us it is so. Even our experience as we travel anywhere tells us it is so.
So what is the point of telling people to ignore their perceptions about the earth and convince them it is round? What does this change in their lives? Nothing.
The perception of roundness of the earth can be compared to an ant noticing that there are people walking around in their world. It doesn’t change anything in their world.
The majority of people do not know by observation or experience that the earth is round. They just accept that it is round because they are told it is. But really they could care less. It takes an act of intelligence from the intellect that seeks greater knowledge to make the observations necessary to confirm that the earth is round. People are more interested in looking down at their cell phones and the drivel coming out of them than to be interested in the workings of the world they live in.
So to them living in their small world it is easy to convince them that the earth is flat. Since our civilization is literally dying don’t be surprised when the schools start teaching that the earth is flat. We who are observing the decline of western thought no longer take for granted that everyone around us is intelligent.
True, T-bird. I always found it funny that people think the earth is flat when EVERY other planet in our solar system is round. We can see them, we know they are vastly different planets in terms of make-up, size and other factors, but there are idiots who think Earth must somehow be different. And then, only because it goes against prevailing scientific knowledge and wisdom.
I’m hoping the ‘parent’ who posted the meme of the kid is just joking, as flat-earthers are the current butt-of-jokes of the Internet. If not, then that child should be taken away due to child abuse.
Well if it’s flat, and there is the other side, like a coin, then there must be a helluva turn at the rim. I wonder how thick that would be… in feet, or miles ? Can’t we drill through easily enough?
Mebbee we be flotin’ on oil.
It is generally agreed in the scientific community that the Earth spins on it’s axis at a speed of 1,000 mph. If we were to observe it from the top of the Arctic Circle it would rotate in a prograde manner (counterclockwise, or towards the east).
Let’s assume two 747 aircraft were to depart simultaneously from an airport in Quito, Ecuador (nearest major airport to the equator). One flies east, the other flies west, and both maintain an airspeed of 600 mph.
The aircraft flying west would by flying with the spin of the planet, while the plane flying east would be flying against the spin of the planet.
Please explain why the aircraft flying east wouldn’t arrive at it’s destination earlier than the plane flying west if the earth is spinning while the planes are in midair.
If you could do it in layman’s terms that someone of average intelligence could understand it would be greatly appreciated.
The plane, starting off, has same retro grade motion relative to the earth. Sort of like a Merry-go-round at playskool…
Come on Scrabbel. You are better at being a dumbass than this…
You talk shit to MarshRabbit about his mindfuck when your needle is stuck in one yer own
I like how all these fakers calculate the Coriolis Effect when making long-range rifle or artillery shots.
What morans!
yep
One thing is fer shure! If Scrabbel wuz in a foxhole about to be overrun by gooks would he be asking for the guys with the guns to use the tables or instead just say “fuck it” lob in the shells without dem. Him splain’ it to the guys with da..
“Cuz ma feelz dat that da earf is flat”
RiNS- Would you like to tackle my rail line question?
okay what is the question
RiNS- See above question at 01/13 at 2:08pm
I’m sure you can come up with something.
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So what?
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It doesn’t matter for trains…think Great Circle Routes.
Because the atmosphere rotates with the Earth. But there could be a difference in flight times because flying into the jet stream. If the atmosphere didn’t rotate with the Earth, we would be fighting several thousands mile an hour windspeeds everyday.
If the Earth is round and rotating at a constant rate, one revolution every 24 hours, how is it that days and nights are not of equal length all year round?
Above the Arctic, and below the Antarctic Circles, is the Sun observed to behave as it theoretically should?
axis of rotation relative to orbit of earf around sun.
I’m sorry, I don’t follow.
Think of it as vectors.
As you say the earth spins counterclockwise at 1000 miles per hour. I have verified the spin counterclockwise by watching the sun come up from the east while in the desert and watching the sun go down in the west while on an island in the pacific. In the desert I was standing latitude 40 looking east and on the pacific island I was standing at the Tropic of Cancer. Visualizing to myself that I was standing sideways between the north and south poles of the earth it appeared that the sun was coming round the planet towards me when observed from the east and it really appeared going around the earth away from me when observed from the west at so called sunset. I have yet to verify the speed of the rotation so will have to trust science on that.
Now the reason the aircraft flying east would arrive at it’s destination sooner than the aircraft flying west is this: The east flying aircraft would be getting a tail wind to help it and the aircraft flying west would be getting a head wind.
Again we have appearances here as far as our senses are concerned. But the intellect can intuit beyond the limitation of our senses with the help of an understanding of physics and mathematics.
Man is a creature of the earth with a body and mind created with limitation. The intellect is a creation of GOD in his image with a conscience. Religion is a creation for man in his limitation to guide his actions. The intellect when used correctly is a path back to GOD.
Everything on Earth, including the atmosphere, is tidally locked by gravity, which means it rotates with the Earth. So the only thing we see on Earth is motion relative to this rotating tableau. It’s true that this rotating motion can create winds, especially in the upper atmosphere, which will cause local effects that affect travel on Earth.
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Okay, then why don’t clouds stay tidally locked by gravity and rotate with the Earth at 1,000mph?
Gravity is strong enough to keep the entire atmosphere of the planet locked into a 1:1 ratio of the Earth’s 1,000 mph spin, yet a single mote of dust is free to float upward in my study as I write this. It is so tightly locked to the Earth that the vacuum of space cannot pull it away, yet five-year-olds can fling paper airplanes across the room with ease.
What a strange and magical power this must be. So sayeth the scientiths.
and so it goes
Otay.
I watched a small part of that David Ickes video while mopping the floor and discovered that the moon is a hollowed out celestial body which holds the equipment the lizard illuminati use to perform global mind control to create the Matrix we all believe to be our world. I would like my matrix modified to include dogs that wipe their feet before coming into the house.
Just so your haid don’t ‘spload, I am neither a believer in nor a disbeliever of Flat Earth/Globe Earth/Oblate Spheroid Earth. I am a doubter of mainstream explanations of how the physical world works as explained by dogmatic scientism in the same way that Martin Luther was skeptical of the Roman Catholic Doctrine of his day.
I have used a lot of cage rattling examples just to get the discussion going and I have also provided a great deal of evidence that points to a systemic abuse of data, information, and images in order to craft a narrative that supports otherwise unsupported claims. NASA is a prime example. They behave as much as a propaganda organization as they do a scientific one and yet they deliberately conceal, mislead or obfuscate that role in the furtherance of whatever their true ends are. Organizations like that do not deserve unquestioning belief in their claims because they have proven themselves unworthy of our trust. That does not mean that they are incapable of telling the truth or that many of their claims are indeed factual, only that one would be foolish to accept them on their face. That’s not the fault of the person who doubts the claims, it is the complete responsibility of the ones who misled the public to begin with.
Let’s be very honest about this- very few people on this planet have the intelligence to fully grasp a fraction of these concepts, never mind enough of them to create any kind of unified theory capable of understanding them on even a superficial level. Most of us, however, do possess the ability to trust in our senses and to observe the world around us and create a system that allows us to survive for seven or eight decades in a hostile environment filled with peril. That says a great deal about our sensory capacity and our instincts in using them.
When someone talks about Gravity, they really don’t have the first clue as to what it is. It is a theory, not a reality and it works in many ways that are contradictory to the premise. For example, it is stated that Gravity is a powerful force that keeps all things tied to the surface of the Earth, from the entire atmosphere that would logically float off into the vacuum of space were it not for this force, to the smallest particle. We would therefore assume that it was a universal force that affected all things equally, yet this is not the case. Take the molecule of water. H2O is bound to the surface of the planet by the force of gravity as evidenced by the seas and by the polar ice caps, but once that molecule alters into it’s gaseous state- Viola! It floats above the surface, away from the force of gravity. In order to account for this gaping hole in gravitational logic, scientists must employ another set of particulars that were heretofore meaningless when we were talking about the exact same molecule. Now gravity takes a back seat to the atmosphere in order to make sense of this observable phenomenon- the same atmoshphere that is said to be held to the surface of the Earth by the powerful force of…GRAVITY!
You can see where anyone with an IQ on the right hand side of the bell curve might raise an eyebrow at that explanation. Further, press a scientist to explain to you the precise cause of Gravity, this powerful/not so powerful force that affects all things equally/on occasion/sometimes/never depending on vacuums/atmospheres/states of matter/proximity to other masses/the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin. The look is priceless.
I’m not here to convince anyone of anything, I’m here to figure things out. If ridicule is your way of helping a neighbor out, then who am I to tell you that you are in error? I can promise you that if something can’t be explained in a manner that can be apprehended logically but is dependent upon formulas only certain people are capable of understanding, then I will almost certainly take a pass and move on to the next puzzle.
then best take the pass.
I acknowledge your inability to explain it logically.
Thank-you.
Great!
MAga
https://water.usgs.gov/edu/watercyclesummarytext.html
I get it.
When I was getting edumacated in Journalism at the HH Herbert School of Journalism (which HATED the Gaylords until the Gaylords donated a big wad of cash and built the Gaylord College of Journalism right there behind/beside Sooner Stadium need I say more?), I took a class in Quantitative Analysis. Yeah, Master’s Program shit, so what? You making fun of me funny man?
Anyway, the professor, a former geekazoid from CSPAN I think, assigned me to give an hour-long presentation on factor analysis. Idiot. I came in with a 15 slide presentation showing the actual two-dimensional graphic that represents the Integral Calculus and statistical analysis involved in how each factor that appears to have correlation is further analyzed to determine if the statistical value can support the causal relationship between two data points.
I showed MYSELF that a factor analysis has mathematical grounding. The professor LOATHED me. Classmates treated me like a leper.
Whatever. I set the curve in that class and all my classes. Wimpy libtard journalism professors gonna take Maggie on? Really?
I think gravity is reality not theory, but I don’t know what it is or how it works. I’ve never been satisfied with the various “theories” to explain it and the anomalies hf mentions.