Mere Anarchy is Loosed Upon the World

Guest Post by Southern Sage

I have to admit that I was a bit surprised at the vehemence of some of the replies to my recent guest post, “An Open Letter to West Virginians”.  Some of my fellow TBP´ers took strong exception to the military draft, voting, the political parties, and the existing world in general.

The intention of my article was to cause West Virginians to reflect before falling for the cynical and dishonest Democratic Party tactic of using sock puppet veterans as candidates, in a vile attempt to deflect attention from their true, treasonous program.  I used as an example the campaign of one Richard Ojeda in, of course, West Virginia.

I did not intend to support a military draft, applaud the senseless wars we are involved in, to praise our two main parties, or exalt the usefulness of voting under current conditions.  I surely did not mean to express support for the world as it is.  Anybody who has followed my comments should understand my basic positions on all of these points.

That said, let me reiterate my views on all of these things so you have a better idea of where I stand.

Military draft.  Like it or not, the “draft”, i.e., compulsory military service, is one of the bedrock obligations of a citizen and it has been since the Roman Empire.  In our particular case, service in the military dates back to medieval times in England when every man was required to serve according to their station.  Nobles had to provide a certain number of armed men for a certain number of days a year, knights had to maintain a horse, weapons and armor, and yeomen had to furnish themselves with weapons and train on a regular basis.  In many cases the yeomen were required to furnish themselves with the English longbow and practice regularly – this requirement won the battle of Agincourt for the English king.

In the American colonies all able-bodied white men were required to be members of the militia and could be called out on a moment´s notice.  The phrase lock, stock and barrel refers to the requirement that each man show up when ordered for active service or training with a functioning musket.  You had no choice in the matter.  It was the law.

As far as the United States is concerned, the militia laws are still on the books and can be enforced.  In practice, the National Guard and various state guard organizations currently perform the duties of the militia, but this could change.

The relevant law, however, does not apply to the militia.  The right of Congress to impose compulsory military service is clearly spelled out in the Constitution.  The Congress is authorized to raise armies and maintain a navy.  That, my friends, means a draft if Congress cares to impose it.  In fact, we have no draft today.  Every one of our service members is a volunteer.  The machinery for reinstating the draft is in place, however.  For most of our history Congress preferred a volunteer, professional army and navy.  Only in times of war were men compelled to service, either in the regular military or the militia.  I agree with this stance.  Not everybody wants to be a soldier and, barring an urgent need, we should not be forced to risk our lives and spend our time doing things we do not want to do.

The people who replied to the post seemed particularly upset with the lives lost in Iraq, Afghanistan and the other needless Middle East wars.  Some went back to the Vietnam War with their complaints.  With regard to the current wars, I opposed them when they were first dreamed up, believe they have been badly conducted, and I want them to be ended as soon as we can end them.  I believe they were fought primarily for the interests of Israel (I know they were fought for Israel but can´t go into the details) and blame George Bush, a moron, for starting them, and Obama for not ending them.  Trump is now stuck with these tar babies.  I mourn the lives lost, salute my fellow veterans who have suffered, but have no idea what the draft has to do with it, as no draftees have fought in these places.  If we did have a draft, however, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would not have lasted from 2003 to the present day.  That I can assure you.

As for Vietnam, I understand the bitterness of the veterans of that war.  It was the wrong war, at the wrong time, in the wrong place (why in hell were we fighting in Vietnam while allowing a Communist dictatorship to be created 90 miles from Key West?).  With all that, it was not “immoral”.  I have seen Communism up close and any fight against it is morally correct.  The problem with Vietnam is that it was a war dreamed up by liberal Democrats and, of course, it went to hell in a hand basket.

Voting and our political parties.  I thought I made it clear enough that I have hatred for one party, the Democrats, and complete contempt for the other, the Republicans.  Unfortunately, the current two-party system is the only game in town.  Only one party, the Republicans, has the potential to represent the interests of the American people.  As I think I pointed out, the Democrats constitute the Domestic Enemy and are a clear and present danger to the survival of our nation.

The Republicans, as weak and cowardly as they are, at least have a few people in the ranks who do love this country and are trying to turn things around.  That, my friends, is why Trump won.  Ordinary, decent Americans sensed that this was our last chance to try to right the ship through non-violent means.  Did they admire Trump as a Godly, upright man?  Hardly.  Everybody in the country knew who and what Donald Trump was.  But they also knew who and what Hillary is, and who is behind her.

I fully understand the anger, disgust, and revulsion that leads one to say, “Fuck this shit, I ain´t voting again!”  Do you think I have never thought that?  I have thought about far worse things, including loading my rifle and going out with a pack of dogs to give some of the scum who have ruined this country a taste of what they deserve.  The day may come when we will all join together to do it.

For the time being, however, we have to live in the real world, and that means doing what each of us can to fight back and to preserve this country through legal means.

Scoff at that if you want, throw up your hands and say to hell with it, it is all a rigged game, I am dropping out.  Go ahead, but before you do consider a few things.

When General Lee surrendered at Appomattox several of his more hot-headed subordinates urged him to order the Army of Northern Virginia to scatter and engage in guerrilla warfare.  What they wanted was to make the South ungovernable and hopefully wear down the Federal government in an endless war of attrition.

Lee wisely refused to even consider it.  He knew what it would mean.  The total destruction of the South and a legacy of bitterness and hate that would never heal, with no guarantee of any positive result.

So, if you want to say fuck it and burn the house down, be my guest.  As for me, my ancestors helped build the house, it is my house, and nobody is taking it away or burning it down.

Yes, I want nothing more than to clean out the swamp and see the bastards who have wrecked the country behind bars, but I will do it with lawful – yes lawful – authority.  I am not a thug or a gangbanger or an assassin.  I want these people locked up legally and branded for all time as traitors. I want it done under our laws and our Constitution.

I have lived in countries where “lawful authority” has all but broken down and I have been involved in campaigns to try to defeat terrorists and restore order.  Believe me, you do not want to go there.  It is ugly beyond description and the bullets fly both ways.  Criticize me for insisting on “lawful authority” if you want but understand what you are asking for.

The state of the world.  As for this topic, do you think I am a fan of George Soros or the Bilderbergers?  Perhaps I am an Illuminati agent?  Or a corrupt Globalist fool, like Paul Krugman or Paul Ryan or half of our Congress?

Read the papers.  President Trump is doing all in his power to confront these people. And taking grave risks in doing so.  He hasn´t accomplished everything you want?  He has disappointed you?  Welcome to the real world.  He is enmeshed in a spider´s web of treason and vested interests, faithless “allies” and declared enemies.  It is astonishing that he has managed to do what he has done.

I have worked in the bowels of the beast.  I am not making that up.  I personally witnessed the treason of Bill Clinton in his ties to the Chinese.  I saw the hopeless George Bush led by the nose into the Iraq War by Zionist agents.  I saw Obama at work and I know he was never a legitimate president.

But I never gave up and I never will.  This country is all I have to leave to my children.  Think of that before you demand that we throw it all away and give up hope.  Right now, hope is what we have left.

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Platoplubius
Platoplubius
June 18, 2018 8:01 pm

Stop lossing happened to soldiers of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars in which according to Bush was MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
MTV actually made a movie entitled Stop Loss that is half say decent.

In addition, complete media blackout on flag draped caskets prevented the PUBLIC from being forced to witness the human toll it took on Americans let alone the massive devastation our invasions on faulty pretext did to cultures that date back far longer than America’s miniscule existence of History.

There is no need for a draft noe anyways…ive said this for years…
Take away work options at home by off shoring jobs and making everybody have to obtain some sort of certificate bestowed by an “accredited” diploma mill and recent high school grads will voluntarily sign up to be cannon fodder for the Big corporations/Banks running this land!

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  Platoplubius
June 19, 2018 12:18 am

Especially if these grads have spent any amount of time consuming the travesties put forth by Michael Bay that are supposed to represent The Transformers cartoons I grew up watching which are nothing more than an Armed Forces recruitment video!

That and playing C.O.D. Black Ops for half their waking lives and Pledging allegiance to the “flag” every morning since preschool or head start and you have a constant stream of volunteers for your corporate invasion and occupation forces…all under the guise of vanquishing communism and now terrorism,

The never ending arms race and wars of Oceania! Cui bono?
It ain’t us or the poor saps being displaced from the “conflicts” and global eradication of the boogeyman terrorists, sounds nicer and who wouldn’t be for getting rid of all the “bad guys “

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
June 18, 2018 8:03 pm

“The Congress is authorized to raise armies and maintain a navy. That, my friends, means a draft if Congress cares to impose it. ”
A complete non-sequitur. “Raising” an army does not imply the power to enslave kids and pay them virtually nothing to risk death or crippling injuries.
Furthermore, there was no draft in the US until Lincoln took the highly unpopular course of instituting it during the Civil War, with the wealthy able to hire “substitutes.” The NYC Draft Riots ensued, with thousands dead, at which point Lincoln exempted NYC from the draft, implying that it was never legit.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  pyrrhus
June 18, 2018 8:34 pm

P – I agree with the sentiments. However, the Supreme Court decisions in this area seem to indicate that they accept the draft as Constitutional.

Llpoh
Llpoh
June 18, 2018 8:08 pm

SS – you clearly stated previously if drafted, people must report. Nowhere above do I see you reverse that position. Seems to me you are doubling down on stupid by saying there is a Constitutional right to draft, etc.

So, straight forward and without the bullshit – if a draft is implemented today, do you believe people should or must report for duty?

Re Constitution, there is no doubt that the framers had no intention of fighting foreign wars. If the Constitution has been so subverted that if it is used to justify drafting young to go and die in such, then it may be time to water the tree of Liberty with blood of patriots once again. Despots must not be allowed to subvert the Constitution for their own purposes.

So what is the answer? You standing by your comments of yesterday? If you think that the young should be forced to sacrifice their lives in wars that are not the business of the US, as you clearly said, and have not reversed, you are out of your mind.

I understand you are against the wars. But it is also clear you are saying that you must report if drafted. Fuck that shit. Seriously.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
June 18, 2018 8:08 pm

Trump is a useful idiot and a moron if he believes he can get the “old America ” back and you are too if you believe it can be restored.

Your corporate masters play you off your own ignorance to how the system even works.

In the near future, everyone will be forced to make a conscious choice….
Get chipped or don’t.
You’re either with this NEW WORLD ORDER or your not!
Nothing else matters.
Be kind to one another!

diogenes
diogenes
  Platoplubius
June 19, 2018 8:05 am

Yep, Plato knows the REAL plan.

Gator
Gator
June 18, 2018 8:24 pm

I agree with much of what you say, and tried to respond in a thoughtful rather than rude manner to your other post, as I will do again here. Every war we have gotten into, going all the way back to WWII, was completely unnecessary and largely based on lies. 10’s of thousands of draftees were killed in them. The draft constitutes slavery. I will never support one.

You also speak of the wasteful Vietnam war, but then seem to imply that rather than engaging in a conflict over there, we should have instead invaded Cuba. Thats wrong, and for the same reasons as Vietnam was wrong. What other countries do domestically, and what system of government they have, is none of our business.

I agree with not wanting the bullets to fly here though. There are plenty of people out there waiting, and hoping, that it comes to that. I think such people need their head examined. I don’t want that, either. But, as I said in response to your other post, part of the reason why the GOP is so terrible is because people keep voting for them simply because they suck slightly less than the dems. Blindly pulling the lever for anyone that has an (R) next to their name is a big part of how we got into this mess in the first place. Millions of people do this with little thought every two years. GOP politicians know that they can safely ignore that huge voting block because they will show up and vote anyway just to keep the dems from gaining a majority. We have to demand more than that.

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
  Gator
June 18, 2018 10:36 pm

“I agree with not wanting the bullets to fly here though. There are plenty of people out there waiting, and hoping, that it comes to that. I think such people need their head examined. I don’t want that, either.”
Only those who have never seen conflict want one. But, it’s not going to be our choice – our enemies have control of the press and most of the government, and they want you dead. How many times do they have to tweet “I hope all the white people hurry up and go extinct” before you “get it”? How many commercials with interracial couples will it take to convince you they want you gone? How many one-sided campus “hearings”, how many SWATtings, how many “unarmed man dies in police encounter” stories?
The bullets will fly – because if they don’t, we will have given up without a struggle.
I ain’t wired that way.

CCRider
CCRider
June 18, 2018 8:54 pm

What a common example of nostalgic history. So the state can dream up wars-that SS disapproves of, of course (as if THEY give a shit about his opinion or any of ours) and our kids get to bleed fighting it. Fuck that. Send you kids SS. BTW I’m sorry to pop your bubble but in the next war troops on the ground are going to come carrying their own crosses. Mac Arthur saw it clearly. He predicted that land wars were over. He was born in a western outpost when one man with a gun fought another with a gun. When he left the service one bomb would massacre a million soldiers where they stood. He said then that wars are longer worth the price. Look at the ones since and tell me was wrong.

And the state worship demonstrated here is too much to bear. What exactly is ‘our country’? I feel no kinship to those yankee bastards in new england now as I did when I escaped 40 years ago nor the self righteous statists on the west coast. They’re not interested in my opinion nor I in theirs. I certainly feel no kinship to those lying, parasites in d.c. Any fool must now realize that they are solely motivated by money and power. Period. Here’s MY country:

https://library.duke.edu/digitalcollections/songsheets_bsvg301280/

Finally, lets talk anarchy. It means bottom up societal organization-the opposite of rule of a ruling class by force. It means human interaction strictly on the basis of voluntary exchange and the non-aggression creed. Try to imagine a society where you get to run your own affairs. But I know this is beyond SS’s ability to comprehend so go ahead and vote. Just know whatever the outcome THEY will still be in power. Democrazy is THEIR game.

diogenes
diogenes
  CCRider
June 19, 2018 8:11 am

Future wars are going to be fought with swarms of small drones (slaughterbots) It will be like the locusts described in the Book of Revelation.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-13/drone-swarms-are-the-new-fireworks-lighting-up-china-s-skies

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
June 18, 2018 9:21 pm

To all my fellow TBP’ers who seem to have given up on our country, fare thee well. I hope you find what you are seeking. I am going down with the ship.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Southern Sage
June 18, 2018 9:48 pm

SS – you need to look up the definition of country. It is a people – a nation – and its govt.

It is the govt TBPers have given up on, not the nation and not its people, at least not all its people.

But if you think the govt is still ok, then fare thee well, because it is likely insurmountably rotten. The likelihood it can be salvaged is nearly zero. Perhaps the people can be awakened, but the govt interests lie elsewhere.

Ivan
Ivan
  Llpoh
June 18, 2018 10:54 pm

YES^^^^

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  Llpoh
June 19, 2018 12:24 am

LLPOH said
It is the govt TBPers have given up on, not the nation and not its people, at least not all its people.

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I agree with LLPOH! Great point.
Better write this down, not sure it will happen again.

ed
ed
  Southern Sage
June 18, 2018 11:55 pm

Me too…only the dead have seen the end of war.

Jake
Jake
  Southern Sage
June 19, 2018 12:56 am

SS, it appears to me a lot of folks are ignoring or misreading or failing to comprehend a lot of what you are trying to get across. A lot of highly immature “it has been five minutes since the inauguration and the swamp hasn’t been drained and no one has hung Hillary or Obama so obviously Trump is a Zionist fraud and phony and I am never going to vote again wah wah wah wah.” The idea they are not real go-getters has crossed my mind as well.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Jake
June 19, 2018 1:22 am

Jake – it appears to me you are a moron, who is ignoring, misreading or failing to comprehend a lot of what we are trying to get across to SS.

We understand exactly what SS is saying. But he steadfastly calls for Americans to march off to war if so ordered by the government, and that horse we will not ride.

And given the rotten state of government, and given we have zero business making war outside of the US, with perhaps some limited exceptions, none of which having occurred in at least over 70 years, his call for citizens to obey an order to report is lunacy.

The business of Americans is America. And fighting in foreign lands is almost always none of our business.

diogenes
diogenes
  Llpoh
June 19, 2018 8:14 am

Llpoh is spot on!

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
  Jake
June 19, 2018 7:46 am

Thanks, Jake. We can only try!

diogenes
diogenes
  Jake
June 19, 2018 8:13 am

Jake, Smoke “Anon Dream Kush”
A couple of hits and you too can be a parallel universe 36DD chess master.

rhs jr
rhs jr
June 18, 2018 9:40 pm

One more contrived World War for the ZOG is a certainty, but the common people will be reduced to a survival mode. Hopefully it will become a Holocaust lesson that Mankind will “Never Forget” and brings about the elusive “Final Solution”.

Angel
Angel
June 18, 2018 10:15 pm

Glad You had to explain yourself…

Never read your first article…

But what you have written now was exactly what God wanted you to write…

Thanks…

Angel

[email protected]

This is a war between the light and darkness…

Darkness can never win against its creator and who said let their be light…

It comes down to a personal decision that each human being must make…

Is my soul for sale, shall I hide when those that want to harm me come for me and all those I love…

I fear not man or woman or demon…

I fear in never doing right by what is just in God’s Love for all mankind…

Tough Love is coming…

God is pissed…

Cheers…

Ham Roid
Ham Roid
June 18, 2018 10:17 pm

What more did the founders of this country face than we do now. It seems that we are virtually without a voice in our government. There are a couple that listen, but really.

One difference in our curcumstances is that our rulers live on the same continent as we do. Another is that very few have the balls of the founding fathers. It is plain to see.

But when you support a lawful takeover of a totalitarian, unlawful government, I think, in the end, you’re just kidding yourself.

Bot
Bot
June 18, 2018 10:24 pm

Well said, CCR.
A voluntary, free market society anchored on the non-aggression policy is the last best hope for humankind to find a way forward. The existing coercive and immoral nation state model with its monopoly on the use of violence is the bastard offspring of “democracy”. Better known as tyranny of the majority over the minority. Unfortunately I realize that such a free market model is a threat to the minority elite’s control of the money and power and would be fought with all the resources they can muster.

Angel
Angel
  Bot
June 18, 2018 11:18 pm

We face the real possibility of a:

Volcanic or Nuclear Winter Ice Age…

A Sun or man made activated EMP…

Plagues…

Earthquakes and Sunamis…

Which one or group of one I am not sure but between us we are headin back into an ice age that is for certain…

http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-proof-that-a-new-ice-age-has-already-started-is-stronger-than-ever-and-we-couldnt-be-less-prepared

Something dreadful is coming and we all feel it and whether I survive or not my plan is for my soul to be kept with God the creator of love and to hell with those who refuse to even allow a personal internal relationship with God…

I pray for all of Gods people to be one with God before they die…

Also

The corrupt insane who hold the levers of power in this world have not a molecule of the character to survive through what The Earth ias about to do as per her creator God who made her this way…

Thank God that I am with God…

That is all I need in this life and the next ; )

Blessings to all…

Love Angel…

Horseless Headsman
Horseless Headsman
  Angel
June 19, 2018 6:50 pm

I agree with the onset of the overdue ice age, but I feel it will be too slow/late to have a role in the denouement of the USA. I actually think a financial debacle will be the trigger, and what will give it staying power would be a shortage of oil. Oil usage has been the driving dynamic behind the forces that have allowed the world to it’s current state of insanity. A war in the ME could greatly reduce whats available. The knock-on effects would be severe. Anyway, I believe that or something similar is the only way to get this vampire squid off our faces.

CCRider
CCRider
  Bot
June 19, 2018 8:40 am

It’s a hard swallow BOT. We all had democracy force fed down our throats from kindergarten. It’s expected now as a matter of course. It will take some time for people to absorb the concept of total freedom. Just like in the animal kingdom where the strong prey on the weak those people over the millennia, devoid of empathy and lustful for power have seized on this truth and ruled accordingly. Democracy is the end result (we all can pray) of that. Naturally there will be those like SS, well intentioned but myopic, pining on with all this “our” country, “our” government, “our” way of life” bullshit. He asks us to join in his pleasant hallucination. No. I want to live in a ‘country’ where I have only servants-not leaders. Where none of my neighbors have even the slightest inclination to tell me how to live my life. I want to go where field artillery rounds are legal-where meth (whatever that is) is sold on street corners. That’s going to scare folks like SS but I revel in the thought. Total individual freedom doesn’t scare me-slavery does.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
June 18, 2018 10:53 pm

Thanx, Llpoh,cc,gator,Plato,phyrss,ham.
I lack your collective eloquence.
Sage, you should have stopped while you were behind. In 40 hours I went from rethinking my stance to realizing you are the one I was referring to on another site when I said a lot of deluded conservatives would think they were doing Good and Trump a favor by rounding up us holdouts and executing us for the greater good.
When you go down with the ship ever so proudly and you meet my buddies and their families be sure and thank them for their service.
Q-anons amuse me, You alarm me.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 18, 2018 11:01 pm

Well said SS.
I understood all your points in the 1st article.
Agree with all you stated.

Perhaps the most important point that most just appreciate:
“It is astonishing that he has managed to do what he has done.”

And he is still trying to do more, especially immigration and EPA!!!

I do have a couple of very major head bumps with Trump on Syria and H!-B visa’s to displace American workers when they are doing the job requirements.

Steve C
Steve C
June 18, 2018 11:02 pm

”…War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today…” — John F. Kennedy

If you want to know just how good a reputation I enjoy and just how much prestige I am bestowed when I inform someone that I am a Vietnam era draft resistor I will tell you – Zero!

I guess we still have a long way to go…

At any rate, here is an interesting take on selective slavery from an old Antiwar.com column in 2004:

Maybe We Do Need a Draft
by Al Lorentz Posted on June 19, 2004

With all this talk about a draft, I thought that, as a professional soldier, I’d throw my two cents worth in.

Let me begin by saying that I’m against a general draft for a number of reasons. Conscription makes free citizens into slaves and the property of the state. A draft also gives the state a large standing army, and having such an army creates too great a temptation for politicians to use it.

However, I find it patently un-American and unpatriotic to place the burden of war on a small stratum of society. I’m not speaking of just the actual blood and guts fighting, but the entire burden of war.

War is a sad event that, in a great nation like the United States, should be shared equally.

First, there is the issue of whose children shall actually go and do the fighting and dying. I notice that the children of our political elite are not here with us in Iraq. I think we need a rather selective draft to fix this obvious oversight.

Specifically, we need to draft, right now, the children of every politician in our federal government and every executive in our military industrial complex. We must also draft the wife or husband of each politician and defense contractor.

They will be put into frontline combat units in the most dangerous areas. They could, for instance, be used as shock troops in operations like Najaf and Fallujah. After all, if it’s good enough for our kids and spouses, it’s got to be good enough for theirs.

These spouses and kids need to serve on a “first in, last out” basis. They will be required to roll up their sleeves and take the anthrax and other experimental injections and drugs that the soldiers do. They will go to war with the same equipment the rest of us use, and if there is a shortage of items like body armor, boots or uniforms, they will be at the end of the receiving line.

Second, there is the issue of solidarity within the government. Take, for instance, the status of reservists, men and women who patriotically remain in the military on a reserve status and go to war when they are called upon.

In almost every case (except perhaps for officers, who actually get a good paycheck), the soldiers and reservists must not only leave behind family and friends, they must also leave behind their jobs. We usually take a massive pay cut for the privilege of living in squalid conditions away from family and friends in defense of our Republic.

For the record, most of us reservists didn’t sign up for the money; we signed up to defend our country. But given that the last few wars we’ve been sent to fight have NOT been in defense of our Constitutional Republic, but rather of some politician’s notion of “global security” or “national interest,” pardon me if we get a little upset at the wrecking of our careers, our bank accounts and our families.

I believe the oath of enlistment we took said something about defending the Constitution, not about defending some despotic little regime such as Kuwait or liberating people 10,000 miles from our home. Remember, we are a Constitutional Republic, not an Empire.

Politicians believe that the military and reservists can be deployed frequently, for long periods of time, without causing any problems. As a result, soldiers are leaving the military in a steady flow, so many that the military has put into effect a “stop loss” program, which basically means, “You ain’t getting out until we say so, contracts and regulations be damned.”

Perhaps we need to level the playing field a bit. Whenever our nation goes to war, our political leadership must be given the glorious privilege of bearing the same burdens that we troops do. This is a basic principle called “jump first, eat last,” or leading by example. A good leader faces the same hardships as his or her soldiers, making sure that their needs are taken care of first, even if it means that he or she does without.

Therefore, when troops go into the field, all of our “public servants” need to move out of their homes and into tents or barracks with conditions identical to those of the soldiers. They will eat the same kind of food that their soldiers do and sleep in the dirt, on cots or in bunk beds.

They will also take a 50% cut in pay, although they will get to keep their benefits and retirement programs. We won’t ask them to go so far as to shut down their businesses and lose their clients (as some of us in the reserves must), but they will have to get by on less just like the rest of us do. They will, of course, be protected by the Soldiers and Sailors Civil Relief Act from creditors seizing their homes, property and businesses while they are deployed.

They will not be allowed to see their spouses (who, you’ll recall, will be serving in the frontlines) or children, but they will be given free postage on their mail home. We will allow AT&T to set up pay phone banks just like the soldiers have over here (yes, we have to pay for those calls). We’ll also have “Internet cafés” set up so that they can wait in line and sit in a hot tent to send an email to their families. Maybe we’ll spring for a web cam or two!

We won’t make them face actual danger, though; that’s the job of the trained professionals. Besides, if their children and spouses are serving in combat, they will have enough on their minds as it is.

Of course, we could just limit ourselves to only declaring wars and deploying troops to defend our Constitutional Republic, but then what do I know? I’m only a soldier.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Steve C
June 19, 2018 8:20 am

Steve……..that is amazing.
I’m in.

Copperhead
Copperhead
June 19, 2018 12:19 am

How many lawful orders did the colonists disobey during the revolution? Fuck your lawful orders, the government isn’t getting my children for cannon fodder. BTW I was in the military for 10 years and wouldn’t want anyone to go through that experience, it corrupts people’s souls.

Not Sure
Not Sure
June 19, 2018 1:21 am

I understand your desire to hope in the formation of our constitutional republic out of the ashes of whatever we are under today, but until a government is formed we can trust in, the military can and will be used for nefarious purposes that would prevent me from giving years of my life or giving my blessing to my children to be drafted into today’s army.
If being drafted strictly for the defense of the nation by a government of, for and by the people, drafts have a way of bringing home the tragic loss of life to all families across America that would mean much less willingness of Americans to engage in war unless absolutely necessary. Today with a volunteer army, Americans could care less about where we are fighting or the loss of life in such remote locations.
So to close, I could see a draft being necessary, but not in America’s current state and only after we could feel secure that our government will not send our young men and women into harms way for financial gain of the corporations.

bigfootmm
bigfootmm
June 19, 2018 2:44 am

SS, for a smart guy the landscape of your views has some smoking volcanoes in it. When you declare that if the draft had been extant in those Middle East wars they would have ended sooner and no doubt about it.

Holy smokes, man! Tangling with that web of snakes was a monstrous mistake from the get go. All we did was energize them to focus on US rather than the infighting they are famous for lo these many years. The government you seem to want is one that gets in there and kicks ass, rather than the gov’t Washington and Jefferson wanted when they said, “no entangling alliances” and trade with all war with none or some such. Why is that so hard for you to understand? It’s my government right or wrong? It’s been said here before that the gov’t is not America. You have it bassackwards and I think you would do well to dwell on whether a gov’t has the right to enslave you through taxes, drafts, regulations, laws, guns, and whatever else the bastards in office can think up while making it nearly impossible to change things through voting in a two-party system where each party is for sale so that vested interests get the benefits and the rest of us get boots on our necks. You like that do you?

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
  bigfootmm
June 19, 2018 7:52 am

I wish people would read what I say. I was THERE and saw what was behind the Iraq War. I know it was a criminal mistake. In fact, what actually happened and why is worse than you can imagine.

As for all you folks out there who want no government, lots of luck with that. The Founding Fathers sat down and CREATED a government. They would have considered your extreme libertarian views nothing short of insane. The problems with our government hae been caused by the PEOPLE, who are too lazy, stupid or greedy to demand that our elected leaders do the right thing.

As for the Founding Fathers beibg opposed to foreign wars on principle, that is nonsense. True, they would be horrified at the wars we have fought on Israel’s behalf in the Middle East and most of the others, but they were perfectly willing to fight foreign powers to expand our national territory.

The ignorance of history is appalling proof of the failure of our educational system.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  Southern Sage
June 19, 2018 1:04 pm

SS
Your own ignorance is equally astounding to me.

Washington warned about partisanship to party-politics and foreign entanglements and alliances , sorta like what we have with NATO, now.
And before you get started with your rebuttal, I hope you finish reading this,
Yes, campaign Trump declared he wanted to withdraw the U.S. outta NATO, however, MAGA MAN has only encouraged U.S. allies members of NATO increase their military spending towards NATO, in which they have, not because of 3D chess moves on Trumps part, rather on NATO members agreeing it was time for countries like Japan, France and Australia to develop their military arsenal,
The military industrial pharmaceutical prison industry just opened up new markets to sell their shit to…besides Israel and Saudi Arabia.

This is why I’ve said, just like WWI became the Great War because of the alliances….this go around, the elite have it planned for NATO Vs. the BRICS, IRAN while Turkey an Germany will drop NATO or vice verrsa…, Both are already developing energy deals with Russia and China…

If you think my use of the word “planned” was hypberole,

you need to wake up and smell the napalm,

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
June 19, 2018 3:16 am

Footsie.
Well said.

Llpoh
Llpoh
June 19, 2018 3:56 am

Footsie – well said indeed.

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June 19, 2018 4:58 am

In this day in age, the only thing more preposterous and implausible than CONgress drafting written Declarations of War would be CONgress declaring a draft.

Think people.

It’s the only thing that would shut down America like a nationwide French garbage worker’s strike!

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
June 19, 2018 6:11 am

I always try to come down on the side of reality.

Human beings engage in ritualized slaughter, warfare is part and parcel of who we are as a species. Like it or don’t, makes no difference in terms of our natural behavior. Having said that it is best to be on the side of virtue and reason. The evil an raise an army every bit as easily as the good, probably easier. Those being led have no say.

Life is filled with risk. The best remedy is to have a wide variety of skill-sets to deal with as many eventualities as you are likely to encounter during the course of your life. There is rarely a day that I find myself unable to use something that I learned during my time in service, most of those tidbits having nothing to do with killing; discipline, resolve, determination, flexibility, brotherhood, leadership, practical application, maintenance, hygiene, order, fitness. The military has a way of making men dig down and find out what it is that they are made of and in showing them just how much further they can go than if they had tried on their own. I was a super trooper in my day, the most ardent, robotic follower you could imagine and look how I turned out. If you think that people can’t figure out that while they are being trained they are being used as well, you are mistaken. When you are loosed upon the world your confidence and abilities can find their true calling in whatever it is that you choose to make your own. The world is filled with men who now possess these attributes but who no longer are under the sway of those who once used them. Odoacer and Alaric were trained in the Legions and we all know how that worked out for Rome.

I have children of my own and I do not wish to see them killed for a government I no longer respect or have any loyalty to, but I would not stop them from serving knowing what it might do for them and how the day may come when their abilities may become necessary in order to defend more important things than the kakistocracy.

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow
  hardscrabble farmer
June 19, 2018 10:23 am

Bingo! As a fellow veteran of 23 years I fully concur with your assessment of military service and the skill sets gained through the same. Great post HSF… Chip

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  hardscrabble farmer
June 19, 2018 2:34 pm

Excellent points!
Well said addition to the overall conversation.

Truther
Truther
June 19, 2018 7:42 am

WIthout the draft only the patriotic, bible fearing, gun toting normal non snowflake will be rushed off to die leaving shindig onlynliberal snowflakes with face piercings and tattooed left behind to destroy the country…..

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
June 19, 2018 7:56 am

All this huffing and puffing over some steroid-abusing West Virginian Democrat! Tell you what, folks. Go on dreaming about a country without a government, an army, or laws. I hope you get what you wish for. Having lived in countries overrun by terrorists because the government was incapable of maintaining order, I hope you enjoy it. I also hope you enjoy the socialist paradise your childish refusal to face reality will some day bring to you. I have lived in the kind of country the Democrat’s want for you – Cuba – and it ain’t that pretty at all!

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Southern Sage
June 19, 2018 8:03 am

You have to drop the ‘terrorist’ lingo.

One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 19, 2018 9:52 am

If there was a draft, us citizens would pay much more attention to what their gov was doing (that is the lesson of history).

US Citizens have proven themselves to be unable to handle the luxury of having an ‘all volunteer’ military – unfortunately.

Mercy Otis Warren
Mercy Otis Warren
June 19, 2018 11:46 am

“Yes, I want nothing more than to clean out the swamp and see the bastards who have wrecked the country behind bars, but I will do it with lawful – yes lawful – authority. I am not a thug or a gangbanger or an assassin.” SS

“Go on dreaming about a country without a government, an army, or laws.” SS

These statements seem to be the heart of the disagreement here.

How is any government authority lawful; that is how is it different than the authority claimed by a thug, a gang banger or an assassin? Logic dictates that it is not. In fact, the state/government is nothing more than a gang writ large.

Some gangs are more capable, efficient, benevolent and lenient with tendencies toward liberty and justice (that would probably describe the founding of the US). But there is no escaping the fact that the foundation of any state is based on violence; the threat of violence and the act of stealing. If it were otherwise, it would be the lion’s club or a condo association.

So does a state that is geared toward justice and liberty get a pass on its initial and continuing act of theft because of its subsequent virtuous tendencies? Maybe, but the theft never goes away.

In his book – The City of God – St. Augustine said this: “Justice being taken away, then, what are kingdoms but great robberies? For what are robberies themselves, but little kingdoms? The band itself is made up of men; it is ruled by the authority of a prince, it is knit together by the pact of the confederacy; the booty is divided by the law agreed on. If, by the admittance of abandoned men, this evil increases to such a degree that it holds places, fixes abodes, takes possession of cities, and subdues peoples, it assumes the more plainly the name of a kingdom, because the reality is now manifestly conferred on it, not by the removal of covetousness, but by the addition of impunity. Indeed, that was an apt and true reply which was given to Alexander the Great by a pirate who had been seized. For when that king had asked the man what he meant by keeping hostile possession of the sea, he answered with bold pride, “What thou meanest by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, whilst thou who dost it with a great fleet art styled emperor.”

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Mercy Otis Warren
June 19, 2018 12:53 pm

Mercy..
Good to hear from you.

Mercy Otis Warren
Mercy Otis Warren
  Fleabaggs
June 19, 2018 2:33 pm

Thanks Flea. Every so often life pauses to allow a comment or two on TBP. Glad to see you chiming in again too.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  Mercy Otis Warren
June 19, 2018 1:26 pm

That pirate’s response to Alexander the Great is more intelligent and eloquent than three quarters of the American population hahaha

Joe Bauers, AKA Not Sure
Joe Bauers, AKA Not Sure
June 19, 2018 2:20 pm

If the United States was established to protect the rights of the individual, why does it seem to be exactly the opposite? Has there ever been a state in the history of the world that has been successful at protecting the rights of the individual? Taxes are theft, and it seems that no matter how much they take it’s never enough. To take the fruits of my labor against my wishes is a crime. To spend the wealth stolen from me to purchase weapons to kill people who are no threat to me or my property, except in the abstract, is a crime. I do not consent.

Thank God we did not end up with Hillary. That’s the best I can say about Donald Trump. We Americans have enjoyed the privilege of the US Dollar being the world reserve currency in large part due to the Petrodollar arrangement, that has afforded us wealth beyond our dreams and allowed us to spend well beyond our means at the expense of the rest of the world. Donald Trump through his sanctions, tariffs and foreign policy has done everything humanly possible to hasten the demise of our world reserve currency status. The rest of the world used to look at the US Dollar as a haven of stability. No longer. Look at the results of these sanctions and “trade deals” and you see a mad scramble by the rest of the world to set up exchanges and systems to find a way around trading with Dollars, and Trump has done nothing but give them all reasons to redouble their efforts to get out of Dollars. The one thing we had to sell that would support our economy was the dollar as the world reserve currency and the rest of the world was our customer in purchasing those dollars. Donald Trump is spitting in his customers faces and telling them “Fuck you!” I doubt that Hillary in her gluttonous fervor to fill the Clinton Foundation coffers would have done more harm to our prosperity and way of life.

The only possible difference voting will make at this point is at which speed we get flushed into the sewer, and it’s pretty hard to tell which party will send us there faster.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  Joe Bauers, AKA Not Sure
June 19, 2018 2:46 pm

Well said “Not Sure”!

Someone else who gets it! This is why I call Trump a useful idiot!
I have made the points you have made in some form or fashion before!
But your comment has put it together in RARE TRUTHFUL FORM!
Russia just dumped 47 billion in U.S. treasuries the other day.

The pace of dollar dumping seems to be accelerating under Trump, exactly what I said he was put there to do.
A globalist wolf in a nationalist wolf costume!
The perception managers are very good at their jobs! And the level of deceptions sold to us foe generations make for a difficult delusion to overcome for too many of us.

“Yet the individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”
J Edgar Hoover

Stucky
Stucky
June 19, 2018 2:45 pm

“The problems with our government hae been caused by the PEOPLE, who are too lazy, stupid or greedy to demand that our elected leaders do the right thing.” ——— SS

+1000

Especially and primarily “greed”; — people ALWAYS vote for their OWN best interests.

This goes back all the way to George Washington. It even goes back to the Revolution, as people decided to fight, or not fight, depending on their own self interests.

The Lord giveth and the government taketh away. As government got bigger and bigger they doled out more and more “free” shit. And look where we are today … whereby it seems half the population works for some level of government or gets free shit from the government.

With freedom comes responsibility. But, when a government coddles its citizenry from cradle to grave then the burden of responsibility is quickly abandoned. It only gets worse from here no matter who POTUS is.

So, I gotta tell ya, Southern Sage — we’re fucked six ways to Sunday. But, I do appreciate (really) that you’ll go down fighting.