Vae Victis

Guest Post by The Zman

The FTN guys posted a special podcast on the American Revolution and the process that resulted in the Constitution. Instead of reciting the standard mythology about the Founders and their alleged love of liberty, they get into the economic motivations of the men who met in Philadelphia to restructure post-colonial America. They also talk about the men who were excluded, as well as the interests they represented. It’s a well done episode that gets into the forgotten parts of the founding story, as well as the economic motivations.

The basis of their analysis is the historian Charles Beard’s An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States. Beard argued that the structure of the Constitution and the process that produced it, was the result of the personal financial interests of the Founders. For example, George Washington had provided significant financing for the revolution, so the Constitutional guarantee that the newly formed nation would pay its debts, worked out pretty well for people like Washington and the other bond holders.

Beard built on earlier Progressive interpretations of American history and can probably be described as a proto-Marxist historian. His analysis of the Founding is that it was first a revolt against the monarchy and then a counter revolution against democracy by the mercantile class located in the cities. It was not just the issue of repaying war debts. The financial class also saw the Articles of Confederation as a hindrance to trade, because there was no central authority to strike trade agreements with foreign governments.

Beard is an interesting guy, who was very popular with the Left into the Cold War, but then fell out of favor in the 1960’s. This seems like an odd thing, given that his reading of American history is based in class conflict. The New Left historians, however, rejected that interpretation in favor of  racial and sexual conflict, which meant abandoning facts and standards in favor of emotion and vengeance. Neo-conservative historians rejected all of that in favor of selling the narrative of Americanism as a vehicle for present policy.

One of Beard’s insights was that the people located in cities not only have a different set of economic interests, but they also have a different relationship with government. In the 19th century, that meant the city dweller was much more receptive to socialism than the citizens in the country. The main reason was that the city dweller gets used to bumping up against government on a daily basis. It feels natural to them. Citizens in the country, particularly in the 19th century, had little contact with the state, so it seemed alien to them.

This suggests something about the nature of socialism, as throughout history urban populations have supported authoritarians, while rural populations have not. In the ancient world, a savvy tyrant like Peisistratus could appeal to the masses of urban poor, to challenge the power of the aristocrats. On the other hand, authoritarian appeals work much better in high density environments. Still, daily familiarity with the power of the state makes people more trusting and comfortable with it. Socialism relies on that trust.

Of course, the defect of class-conflict historiography is that it tries to jam all facts into a model of society. Instead of the theory explaining history, history is used to explain the theory. There’s no question that the men who met in Philadelphia had direct financial interest in the outcome. They were also motivated by all the usual stuff like patriotism, regional loyalty and petty stupidity. That stuff is every bit as interesting as the economics and just as important. In other words, history is both particles and waves.

More important and related to the podcast, is the fact that the people who drive history have personal interests. The men who revolted against the king, did so because they saw an advantage in it. Once they gained control of the country, they were not about to give it away or arrange things to their disadvantage. After all, the whole point of the revolution was to get a better deal. The Articles of Confederation were simply an interregnum, while the new elite figured how they were going to lock in their position after evicting the old elite.

That was the point of the Constitution and the point of all subsequent changes to it, including the Civil War. Similarly, the mythology of the founding, as well as the “second founding” as neoconservative historians call the Civil War, is part of locking in that position via the miracle of propaganda. All of the soupy romanticism of American history is intended to convince the rest of us that the current arrangements are the result of Providence. Political arrangements are not about ideals. they are about power.

This is an important lesson for anyone in dissident politics. The first goal, that which everything bends toward, is to gain power. This is why the New Left has rolled through the culture. They first seized power and then cooked up timeless principles to justify their position. It’s also why the legacy Right’s appeal to principle must be rejected. Limiting your options by self-imposed rules and inviolable principles is a recipe for failure.  The truth of life is that politics is about power. First you seize power and then vae victis.

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Airman Higgs
Airman Higgs
July 19, 2018 10:40 am

This time Zman gets it exactly correct, and even knocks it out of the park. NOT ONE STATE, be it city-state or nation state or any other kind, in the entire history of the planet, was established because the founders were looking to provide a home for the regional population with liberty and justice for all. Not one. Not ever. Not America, not Russia, not China, not Switzerland. Ever.

No one establishes a government in order to provide freedom and justice and economic prosperity for the masses any more than anyone has ever established a corporation with the intention of giving the full extent of their personal time and energy and resources to unknown people and living in abject poverty and servitude for the rest of their lives, and for the exact same reasons.

I get the romantic appeal of the dominant narrative that has been set up regarding the founding of America and the great wisdom and foresight of the Founding Fathers. I was born and raised in the Matrix, same as everyone else. And there are a *LOT* of people who want nothing more than to have their illusory steak and believe that they are eating it too, because ignorance truly is bliss. Right up until your usefulness is all used up and you get flushed down the hatch to make room for the next human resource.

And if that appeals to you then by all means eat, drink and be merry. And may history forget that you were our brethren.

MarshRabbit
MarshRabbit
  Airman Higgs
July 19, 2018 6:41 pm

“No one will give you justice; you have to take it” (paraphrase of Malcolm X)

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
July 19, 2018 11:12 am

I don’t quite see the point in telling people without any power that other people, who do have power, are interested in consolidating that power. I like the post, it’s very well written, I am just not too sure that I understand what the take away is supposed to be.

Maybe it’s just too early here in LaLa land.

Neuday
Neuday
  Hollywood Rob
July 19, 2018 2:43 pm

Not too early, but rather, too late. You live in Mexico now.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
July 19, 2018 11:25 am

Yes, the founders were the elite of the country, but in many ways they were “new money.” If you tour George Washington’s or Thomas Jefferson’s residences, and then go to Europe and tour the residences of the European aristocrats at the time (which I’ve done) you realize just what upstart trailer trash the founders were compared to the aristocrat Europeans, who had a 2000 year head start.

The miracle of this country is not just the revolution, but the speed and scale of the prosperity unleashed over the next 200 years. To a point where a middle class Americans by the 1960’s, could tour Europe in ugly polyester outfits, ordering steak dinners etc.

The free market is always the goal, and creates prosperity and freedom.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
July 19, 2018 12:43 pm

The Elites job is to stay in power. Power come through the barrel of a gun(Mao).
I think Zman was trying to say we can’t win with reasonable debates or rebuttals, we have to get more creative. If I’m right about my assumption then I agree with him but I worry that we may become just like things we despise in the godless left.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
July 19, 2018 1:34 pm

The bribery necessary to get the Constitution ratified in several States undoubtedly came from the bankers….So that tells you who really wanted this strong central government…The people didn’t.

BB
BB
July 19, 2018 2:11 pm

The Means ( anything ) justify the ends ( power ) .It really that simple if you have no morals like most leftist liberal progressives.

MarshRabbit
MarshRabbit
July 19, 2018 2:31 pm

“The function of the law is not to provide justice or to preserve freedom. The function of the law is to keep those who hold power, in power.” Gerry Spence

unit472/
unit472/
July 19, 2018 3:40 pm

Its probably not possible for a contemporary resident of the United States to imagine what Colonial America was. 4 million people with an entire continent to settle and develop. They wanted to get on with it. Aside from slaves and land grants to cronies of the British King, any inequality of wealth was purely a matter of talent and effort. If you were bold and up to the challenge and had an axe and a musket you could set out for the frontier and clear some of the richest farmland the world had. Schooling was mostly a homespun affair not where you learned it. If you had a trade better still you could set up shop anywhere there were farmers in need of your craft. No licenses needed. Your skill was your ‘license’. Since there was no money to speak of you might get paid in crops, barrels of whiskey or the labor of your customers and their animals but it meant in a 20 years you could build your own little Mount Vernon.

The British Crown wanted to tax and regulate all this freedom.

Unbeatable
Unbeatable
July 19, 2018 4:47 pm

Right on, Z-man. Show me a good loser, and I’ll show you a loser.

TJF
TJF
July 19, 2018 5:31 pm

Only read the opening sentence so far. To me, FTN means one thing and one thing only and it goes back to my navy days.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
July 19, 2018 9:12 pm

I read the book many years ago. I thought it was interesting.