The Electoral College Debate

Guest Post by Walter E. Williams

The Electoral College Debate

Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, seeking to represent New York’s 14th Congressional District, has called for the abolition of the Electoral College. Her argument came on the heels of the Senate’s confirming Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. She was lamenting the fact that Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, nominated by George W. Bush, and Justices Neil Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, nominated by Donald Trump, were court appointments made by presidents who lost the popular vote but won the Electoral College vote.

Hillary Clinton has long been a critic of the Electoral College. Just recently, she wrote in The Atlantic, “You won’t be surprised to hear that I passionately believe it’s time to abolish the Electoral College.”

Subjecting presidential elections to the popular vote sounds eminently fair to Americans who have been miseducated by public schools and universities. Worse yet, the call to eliminate the Electoral College reflects an underlying contempt for our Constitution and its protections for personal liberty. Regarding miseducation, the founder of the Russian Communist Party, Vladimir Lenin, said, “Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.” His immediate successor, Josef Stalin, added, “Education is a weapon whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.”

A large part of Americans’ miseducation is the often heard claim that we are a democracy. The word “democracy” appears nowhere in the two most fundamental documents of our nation — the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. In fact, our Constitution — in Article 4, Section 4 — guarantees “to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.” The Founding Fathers had utter contempt for democracy. James Madison, in Federalist Paper No. 10, said that in a pure democracy, “there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual.”

At the 1787 Constitutional Convention, Virginia Gov. Edmund Randolph said that “in tracing these evils to their origin, every man had found it in the turbulence and follies of democracy.” John Adams wrote: “Remember Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a Democracy Yet, that did not commit suicide.” At the Constitutional Convention, Alexander Hamilton said: “We are now forming a republican government. Real liberty” is found not in “the extremes of democracy but in moderate governments. … If we incline too much to democracy, we shall soon shoot into a monarchy.”

For those too dense to understand these arguments, ask yourselves: Does the Pledge of Allegiance say “to the democracy for which it stands” or “to the republic for which it stands”? Did Julia Ward Howe make a mistake in titling her Civil War song “Battle Hymn of the Republic”? Should she have titled it “Battle Hymn of the Democracy”?

The Founders saw our nation as being composed of sovereign states that voluntarily sought to join a union under the condition that each state admitted would be coequal with every other state. The Electoral College method of choosing the president and vice president guarantees that each state, whether large or small in area or population, has some voice in selecting the nation’s leaders. Were we to choose the president and vice president under a popular vote, the outcome of presidential races would always be decided by a few highly populated states.

They would be states such as California, Texas, Florida, New York, Illinois and Pennsylvania, which contain 134.3 million people, or 41 percent of our population. Presidential candidates could safely ignore the interests of the citizens of Wyoming, Alaska, Vermont, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana and Delaware. Why? They have only 5.58 million Americans, or 1.7 percent of the U.S. population. We would no longer be a government “of the people”; instead, our government would be put in power by and accountable to the leaders and citizens of a few highly populated states.

Political satirist H.L. Mencken said, “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic.”

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anarchyst
anarchyst
October 17, 2018 2:47 pm

There is no “debate”. The electoral college was put in place as an “equalizer”–to prevent the presidency from being decided by a few populous states and disregarding the wishes of the voters and the rest of the states. If the electoral college was abolished, New York and California would decide the presidency–not a good idea.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anarchyst
October 17, 2018 3:03 pm

You and I know that, but your average mouth-breathing “voter” doesn’t. I don’t think the Constitution has done much to stop the mob nor cronies, but can you imagine what these useless eaters would do during a Constitutional Convention?? *shudder*

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  anarchyst
October 17, 2018 8:21 pm

Also to reduce the effects of vote fraud…

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
October 17, 2018 3:14 pm

I always ask people “what’s the name of the country?”. The name of the country is not “America”, it’s “The United States of America”. A union of sovereign states. That’s why states were given equal suffrage in the senate, making it – gasp – “undemocratic”.

If you thought Florida in 2000 was a clusterfuck, imagine a nationwide recount. If the Dems were in danger of losing, they’d be finding thousands of extra ballots on Indian reservations and voter turnout in Philly would be about 197%.

Thankfully amending the Constitution to get rid of the Electoral College is very hard. The biggest risk is that a couple of state legislatures populated by credulous Republican dunderheads might sign onto the National Popular Vote compact. Hopefully that will be found unconstitutional – although I don’t know the legal basis for such a finding. The fact that NPV is stupid as hell may not mean it’s unconstitutional.

llpoh
llpoh
  Iska Waran
October 17, 2018 4:36 pm

Amending the Constitution to get rid of the electoral college is beyond hard. It would take convincing Wy, AK, ND, SD, etc. to put their nuts on a brick then hit them with a sledgehammer. No way in hell that it is ever gonna happen. Nev-ah.

An amendment requires two thirds support from both the house and senate. And then – here is the kicker – it requires agreement of 3/4 of the states. That means that only 13 states need to vote against it. Le’t’s count the small pop states that would get screwed by this: all of ém.

They can quit talking about this shit. It is never going to happen.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Iska Waran
October 17, 2018 8:22 pm

Voter registration in LA County is already 150% of eligible voters…That’s million of fraudulent votes right there.

Stephen Hawking sucks Donkey Balls
Stephen Hawking sucks Donkey Balls
October 17, 2018 3:29 pm

If we really wanted each state to be equally represented, why different numbers of electoral votes?

Btw, Trump did win the popular vote…the popular electoral vote.

card802
card802
October 17, 2018 3:44 pm

The idea that highly populated states would be able to dictate to the rest of the country is the argument I use when debating a prog on their issue of gerrymandering.
They of course would love it if every liberal infested shitty had even more influence over us deplorables.

Dead Cat's Head
Dead Cat's Head
October 17, 2018 3:53 pm

Who gives a fuck what this dumb cunt thinks?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
October 17, 2018 4:13 pm

If you think libs hate the Electoral College now, just wait until Congress legislates that congressional seats be apportioned based upon the number of CITIZENS in each state – not just DENIZENS. (Trump is having the Census Bureau ask about citizenship on the 2020 census.) That would also affect the Electoral Vote counts of various states. California would lose EV’s, for example. Article 1, section 2, clause 3 reads:

“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.”

Some would claim that illegal aliens would count as “free Persons”, but they’re obviously “Indians not taxed”.

Bilco
Bilco
October 17, 2018 4:30 pm

Why don’t this idiot hit it back to whatever sub-human shit hole her ancestry ties her to. Then she can preach her Socialist bullshit there. After all she sure acts UN-American

steve
steve
October 17, 2018 4:45 pm

The electoral college was started in 1804. Only after hearing this bug eyed freak did I realize the founding fathers got it all wrong. What other gems will spill forth from this professorial, poignant, powerful, political princess?

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 17, 2018 5:23 pm

A Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. – B. Franklin

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
October 17, 2018 7:15 pm

This is what happens when people are too stupid to comprehend the concept of “republic”, checks and balances, and separation of powers. Those voting for her are dumber than she is.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
October 17, 2018 7:24 pm

All you need to do is look at Maryland politics and you will understand the reason for an electoral college . All democrats need to do is win 3 counties and Baltimore City and they are in !
Yes I know the current Governor Hogan is a republican but that was and still is a fluke due to how screwed up Martin O’Malley and Anthony Brown left the state .
The areas in Maryland needed to win statewide have 2 absolutes 1) the highest number of government employees and 2) the highest number of welfare dependent population
ENOUGH SAID

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Boat Guy
October 17, 2018 10:45 pm

Illinois has 102 counties. “They” only need to win one most of the time.

Ricky Ricardo Returns
Ricky Ricardo Returns
October 17, 2018 8:09 pm

Hokay, Rucy, I Splain,

Alexy Unoccupied-Cortex won the Demo primary in her district because that district is about 99 and 44/100’s percent pure Puerto Rican. PR’s, if given the chance, will vote for another PR solely because the candidate is a PR. No other reason. “Democratic Socialism” was not why she won the Demo primary.

None of them know what “Democratic Socialism” is, or particularly care what it is. All they care about is identity politics. They don’t care that little Alexy is as dumb as a rock. They don’t care that “Democratic Socialism” is a cover name for Communism.

Crazy Maxine is regularly re-elected from a district in Watts that until recently was 99 and 44/100’s percent pure African-in-America. Given a chance, AIA’s will vote for another AIA. No other reason. Doesn’t matter that she is dumb as a rock, and ugly too.

Beta-Boy O’Rourke in Texas is trying to use the appeal of identity politics in hopes of being elected senator from Texas. He thinks that if he can convince the Mexicans that he is hispanic, they will vote for him for that reason alone. That approach has worked before in the southwest states. Might work again.

Diversity leads to identity politics (IP). People in general, except for YT, will vote for the candidate who is a member of their ethnic group. If the IP voter must choose between two member of his ethnic group, he will choose the one who promises more GibsMeDat.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Ricky Ricardo Returns
October 17, 2018 10:53 pm

Walk Away is part of a grand reshuffling I believe we are seeing. We will have to see the break down of stats in a few weeks but I believe the reason for the unhinged behavior and violence from the leftard scum is because significant numbers of their previously “owned” constituencies have had enough and are realizing where their best interests lay. At least enough to cause this behavior.

Donkey Balls
Donkey Balls
  Ricky Ricardo Returns
October 18, 2018 8:03 am

Forgive me, what is YT?