And Peace Online

Guest Post by John Stossel

And Peace Online

My New Year’s resolution: Make a careful distinction between speech and violence.

America’s First Amendment says “yes” to most speech, including speech that criticizes, insults — even speech that promotes hate. But the law applies only to government.

Private organizations can ban hate speech if they choose.

I can write columns saying nasty things about you — if newspapers, websites and my distributor are willing to run them. But the law says I can’t tell people to go beat you up. At the point that speech becomes a direct incitement to violence, the law says “no.”

That’s pretty clear.

Then there’s Gavin McInnes.

McInnes is a political commentator who takes pride in provoking the politically correct.

He makes nasty jokes that I wish no one would make, like, “Mexico sucks ’cause of Mexicans.”

At Stossel TV, we posted this video about him.

A few months ago, McInnes was invited to speak at a New York City Republican club. Before he even spoke, protesters vandalized the building.

In the speech, he held up a sword and told the audience to respect the example set by a Japanese 17-year-old, Otoya Yamaguchi. Yamaguchi had stabbed a socialist politician while he was giving a speech.

After McInnes’s speech, Antifa protesters confronted his followers, who call themselves the Proud Boys. Some Proud Boys looked eager to fight and brutally beat several Antifa protesters.

So is McInnes to blame? Did he incite violence by bringing up Yamaguchi? By saying “Western culture is the best”? By praising “violence in self-defense”? Or is he just a proud American urging his followers to defend themselves?

Should he be banned from the airwaves and social media?

McInnes renounced the Proud Boys after the street fight and says he won’t be their leader.

Nevertheless, CRTV dropped McInnes’s show “Get Off My Lawn.”

Facebook banned many Proud Boys accounts and eventually McInnes himself. He was also banned by PayPal and Amazon.

Before the fight, he’d been banned by Twitter. He was temporarily kicked off YouTube, supposedly for copyright violation, though critics say YouTube is more aggressive about enforcing copyright rules if people posting the material are controversial.

I understand the censors’ impulse to clamp down on speech that could lead to violence. But here’s why I think that approach is backward.

When I was a kid, homophobia was normal. Not only was gay marriage forbidden, gay sex was sometimes illegal. Police would even beat gay men for sport.

Today, most Americans’ attitudes are very different. What made that happen was open speech.

People watched gay characters on TV and came to like some of them. Bigots expressed hate, but people who heard them thought about what they said, and most rejected it.

Life changed dramatically for gays in America in a relatively short time. Free and open debate helped make that happen.

Speech can provoke violence, yes, but the greater danger is people losing interest in talking — giving up on arguments altogether. Then people often go “settle this outside.”

So while social media platforms can exclude McInnes if they want to, it’s better if they don’t.

The more we get accustomed to settling our disagreements with words, even offensive words, the less we need to settle disputes with fists and swords.

Will Americans become nicer now that people like McInnes are banned by Twitter? I doubt it.

To avoid political censors, some right-wingers fled recently to a Twitter-like platform called Gab. Gab prides itself on letting people say whatever they like. A company that hosted Gab on its servers banned Gab, so Gab relocated to another host.

Around the same time, one Gab executive says someone tried to blow up his parents’ propane grill, probably to punish him for permitting “hate speech” on Gab.

I don’t know where to draw the line on what speech is inappropriate for a given private venue.

But I know that the answer to hateful speech is more speech.

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Iska Waran
Iska Waran
December 26, 2018 10:50 am

Why else would Mexico suck?

A. R. Wasem
A. R. Wasem
  Iska Waran
December 26, 2018 12:31 pm

Mexicans are no different from anyone else – you just have to indicate to them who’s the jefe and all is well.

Grog
Grog
December 26, 2018 11:11 am

“When I was a kid, homophobia was normal. Not only was gay marriage forbidden, gay sex was sometimes illegal. Police would even beat gay men for sport.

Today, most Americans’ attitudes are very different. What made that happen was open speech.”

In a May 10, Texas A&M President Michael K. Young refused to discipline or fire professor Tommy Curry.

Curry called for white genocide, saying in a 2012 podcast “in order to be equal, in order to be liberated, some white people may have to die.”

Are you going to volunteer, Mr. Stossel?
Are you looking forward to that thought becoming normalized?

musket
musket
  Grog
December 26, 2018 12:04 pm

Young’s time is limited at best…….

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
December 26, 2018 2:54 pm

A little tolerance is a good thing. If you only want “normal” people around, well, the 50th percentile is only one percentile wide, and what will you do with the other 99 percentiles?
On the other hand, tolerating pedophilia is a bad thing. Tolerating drug abuse (and the crime that comes with it, once the addicts assets are consumed) is also a bad thing. Tolerating criminal corruption in politicians is a REALLY bad thing – they are stealing your tax money! Tolerating sects that abuse children, abuse women and encourage murder for apostasy is a REALLY bad thing- you’re living next to a time bomb!
Tolerating gays – maybe, until they start abusing children. Or spreading communicable diseases through their activities (straights need their STDs treated until cured too, don’t spread them!)
You have to decide how tolerant you are going to be – and what you will NOT tolerate, before you’re besieged and fighting for your life against those who won’t tolerate you. In the middle of a firefight is no time to be deciding what you stand for!

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
December 26, 2018 3:20 pm

For the record, homophobia is still normal.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
December 26, 2018 11:57 pm

it’s also not a phobia ^^

there’s perfectly rational reasons why you don’t want homosexuality to become normalized.

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
  Anonymous
December 27, 2018 9:01 am

Shigella, STDs, HIV spread to the straight community, blood disorders in the donated blood supply, hepatitis C … not to mention the corresponding moral rot it introduces into society with the breakdown of the traditional nuclear family and personal relationships.
There are reasons why nature and society removes disruptive aberration from the gene pool.

Zory
Zory
December 26, 2018 8:12 pm

Extremist words suppressed and whispered sound profound and empowering. The same words out loud will still sound profound and inspiring, if they are, but they are as likely to sound, and be,fearful and petulant.

overthecliff
overthecliff
December 27, 2018 9:58 am

Homosexuality cannot be normalized.

We must remember that God gave us our rights but we will have them only as long as we can defend them. Fake intellectual arguments are not going to preserve your rights unless you back them up with force.

unit472
unit472
December 27, 2018 10:35 am

Stossel says suggesting people ‘beat up’ other people is beyond the pale. If so why do we allow people like Bill Kristol to urge we wage war on others? Surely a ‘knuckle sandwich’, if unpleasant, is nowhere close to what a Marine Division or Carrier Strike Force can do to a population.

The only difference is that McInnes wants people who engage in mob violence to realize others are free to fight back while Kristol wants to use the military power of the United States to destroy countries he does not like.