At The Crossroads

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Have you ever heard the story about Robert Johnson at the crossroads?

Johnson was a blues man, back in the ‘20s. The story goes he acquired his skill as a blues man by signing a contract with Legba – a term now out of currency for you-know-who.

The Devil, in case you don’t.

Johnson sold his soul to play the blues.

What has this to do with cars?

Another interesting crossroads approaches.

Electric cars are mostly sold on their speed – since it’s hard to sell them on their cost or their practicality, which is much too high (and much too low) respectively.  Elon Musk, for example, is very boastful about the Ludicrous Speed his EVs are capable of.

And, they are.

The Model S sedan is one of the quickest cars ever made – even vs. race cars. It can get to 60 in less than 3 seconds, which is  . . . Ludicrous Speed. The thing is a rocket.

Briefly, but still.

Ludicrous Speed is something worth spending money on – regardless of practicality or efficiency. People have done so for years. Porsche’s entire business was built on the concept.

But what happens – to EVs – if that one advantage goes away?

What if a Tesla can’t go any faster than a Corolla – but is unable to go as far as one? And takes at least 5-6 times as long (a minimum of 30-45 minutes) to get going again?

And costs at least twice as much – but only lasts half as long?

An EV’s battery life determines the EV’s useful life. Once the battery needs to be replaced, it’s time to recycle the car – because of the cost of the battery vs. the worth of the car; this happens after about eight years. Actually, sooner – because before batteries croak entirely they lose efficiency partially. Which means whatever the range of the car was when it was new it is less now.

Which means you spend even more time recharging. Eventually – inevitably – the EV can’t be recharged at all. It becomes functionally and economically kaput.

An IC -powered car has a useful life of 15-20 years. Its range never declines during this time and it always takes the same time (not more time) to refuel.

Other than speed, what reason is there to buy an EV?

There’s the “green” aspect, of course. But most of this is just posturing by affluent virtue signalers who wouldn’t be caught dead in something slow and unglamorous. Elon understands this.

Most people who spend substantially more for a car expect . . . substantially more.

Of something other than what they paid.

Of something other than impracticality.

A slow EV – or at least, one that’s no faster than any other car – is a car that is going to be a hard sell.

Well, EVs are about to have that problem, Houston – if the speed limiting tech that has already been mandated for cars sold in Europe comes here.

Which it will, almost inevitably- because it’s already on its way.

Speed Limit Assist, as it is styled (more here) will become de facto standard in cars sold here, even if it’s not formally mandated.

Because it’s been mandated in Europe.

For the same reason Daytime Running Lamps are de facto standard equipment in most new cars.

It is less trouble to manufacture cars one way rather than two ways. If Audi and VW and Porsche and BMW and Mercedes and Fiat and Land Rover and Jaguar and Mini are required by EU law to install speed limit “assist” their cars – because they are European brands and so subject to European laws – they are going to subject us to the same.

They will do so on the making-of-lemonaid-from-lemons principle.

The speed limiting “assist” will be marketed as a saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafety feature, of a piece with things like Lane Keep “assist” and automated brake “assist” and other “assists,” which you may have noticed are very quickly becoming de facto unavoidable in new cars, here and everywhere else.

Bear in mind the power (Darth Vader voice) of the Safety Cult – and the supine poltroonery of the car industry. How it eagerly presents its belly at the first sign of complaint or criticism on any matter claimed to be related to saaaaaaaaaaaafety.

It is a dogma of our times that “speeding” – and “aggressive” acceleration – are the apotheosis of unsafe.

Do you suppose, given the tech is now available to prevent it, that any manufacturer of cars will be able to continue selling cars that lack the tech?

For the children, of course.

And because it will save at least one life.

This, when it comes to pass, will be the ruin of all cars – as other than Transportation Modules. Because it will be the end of driving. At least, it will be the end of any point to it.

And it will be fatal to electric cars. Which will become nothing more than very expensive – and very impractical – cars.

But it will be Just Desserts for Elon, et al – who rent-seeked the EV into the monstrosity it has become, as opposed to what it might have been.

Government mandates – and government (taxpayer) money perverted the idea of developing EVs as more economical, more practical alternatives to conventional cars into a grotesque burlesque of the virtue-signaling rich mulcting the not-rich to finance glamour and glitz and  . . . Ludicrous Speed.

Somewhere, Legba is smiling.

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24 Comments
starfcker
starfcker
July 9, 2019 8:47 am

Eric, you’re making shit up again. “An EV’s battery life determines the EV’s useful life. Once the battery needs to be replaced, it’s time to recycle the car – because of the cost of the battery vs. the worth of the car; this happens after about eight years. Actually, sooner – because before batteries croak entirely they lose efficiency partially. Which means whatever the range of the car was when it was new it is less now” An early Tesla model S, 2012/2013/2014 with 50,000 miles on it cost about 50-60 grand brand new, and is still worth 35 or $40,000. , which is better resale than any other sedan.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  starfcker
July 9, 2019 9:29 am

Starfcker, you already rode this horse to death.

starfcker
starfcker
  Anonymous
July 9, 2019 10:44 am

what you meant to say was, I cannot refute what you are saying.

RiNS
RiNS
  starfcker
July 9, 2019 3:32 pm

gotta hand it to ya bud!
you are as persistent as a plantar wart when it comes to Tesla and EV’s in general.
But

If a car is 8 years old and has only 50k miles well
I hate to be blunt but, it is a toy not a vehicle..

40 g for something with a battery close to MTTF is suckers trade with idiot who ends up with a couple of tons of plastic and metal to be parted out..

At best nothing moar than an expensive piece of yard art..

This car as presently configured will never work for everyday driving…
at least where I live.

niebo
niebo
  RiNS
July 9, 2019 9:13 pm

My father was in the car business, and somebody buying at 75 percent cost an old battery-powered car would be a case of, in his words, “where two fools met.”

Ponder that, because we have all run across this situation without recognizing it, although, I am sure, not in relation to electric cars.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  starfcker
July 9, 2019 4:46 pm

star,
the tesla dealership up here is across from the napa warehouse so when i go in to get a part i take a gander x the street–
for a few months the tesla lot was having more & more cars parked there,a bunch tesla,a bunch other makes which i assumed were trade ins–
was by there a week or so back & the lot was back to being nearly empty–
it doesn’t look good–

Morongobill
Morongobill
  starfcker
July 9, 2019 9:35 am

How much to replace the batteries?

RiNS
RiNS
  Morongobill
July 9, 2019 3:51 pm

from a Tesla forum…

Tesla’s Model S 85D has virtually no maintenance because its electric engine has far fewer moving parts than a regular internal combustion engine. The battery is guaranteed for eight years with unlimited miles and, after that, is replaceable for $12,000. The vehicle comes with a limited warranty and $600 yearly inspections are optional.

12G is a show stopper for most folks with a Brain in their head when it comes to fixing cars..

The world is gonna find out soon enuf how long these cars last. Then the resale value is gonna take a hit once reality and common sense is staring the common Joe in the face…

Entropic Chaos (EC)
Entropic Chaos (EC)
  RiNS
July 9, 2019 4:21 pm

electric engine

It’s an electric motor the size of a small keg of beer, too big for your fridge but similar.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  RiNS
July 9, 2019 9:57 pm

And if Tesla is out of business, how much to replace the battery then?

Grand Slam
Grand Slam
  pyrrhus
July 9, 2019 10:18 pm

No problemo: China Incorporated will be glad to sell you one for “only” $8K and a free 30 day warranty.

Constantly seriously annoyed
Constantly seriously annoyed
  starfcker
July 9, 2019 11:00 am

My friend has one of these tesla turds because he has more money than sense. But he doesnt drive it because of it needing to be charged instead of gassed up. So he drives his f150.

Prius
Prius
  starfcker
July 9, 2019 10:09 pm

Prius.

Travis Bickle
Travis Bickle
  starfcker
July 10, 2019 9:54 am

I checked cargurus and you are correct

old white guy
old white guy
July 9, 2019 10:27 am

Human beings just can’t seem to get out of their own way.

motley
motley
  old white guy
July 9, 2019 3:02 pm

Yea …. but you got to be cool … don’t you know!

TampaRed
TampaRed
July 9, 2019 4:39 pm
JC
JC
  TampaRed
July 9, 2019 5:27 pm

Plus they are coming up on the $12,000 battery swap. That’s gonna sting..

niebo
niebo
  TampaRed
July 9, 2019 9:23 pm

A hundred and five thousand dollars for an electric SEDAN?

A humberd thouthand dollarth for an elekticth thedan?

A humbed thou’and dollths fer a lectrith ‘edan?

A humbd thand doll fa letre ‘dan?

A humm n aw th let an

RiNS
RiNS
  niebo
July 10, 2019 7:11 am

I luv that comment neibo..

A great visual for what happens..

General
General
July 10, 2019 5:22 am

The range on my Tesla Model S 85 has lost about 10-15% of it’s battery capacity compared to new in five years. So no, it won’t have to be replaced in five more years at this rate. It will just be limited to city driving.

And as much as Eric harps about recharging, it’s a non-issue for city driving. In fact, never having to drive to s gas station is a huge plus. It saves a lot of time over the course of a year. It is inconvenient for trips though.

The main drawback is that is not as cost effective as a gas car. Which really limits electrics to the luxury market.

RiNS
RiNS
  General
July 10, 2019 7:34 am

I disagree. It is not even a luxury car. At the end of month I will be travelling to Ottawa in my new Ford Escape. Yeah its not luxury per say but it is a Titanium. All the tricks and whistles. I can go from my home in Nova Scotia to Stittsville in one day.

1484kms

Your “Luxury Car” cannot ever hope to make it.
Not not and not never.

But maybe it is a Luxury if and only if you don’t mind sleeping at a couple of Holiday Inn Express along the way.. Me I’ll pass and spend that money on Beer.

Might even splurge on a craft, boutique, beer or two..

also

10-15% loss in 5 years is unacceptable..
seriously, that isn’t luxury, that is fool’s and money easily parted…

How can you drive down the road with smile on face and stare in mirror at a fact such as this..
Unless burning money in a garbage can is now a luxury…

My 12 year old Ford Ranger has 242,000 kms on it.
It doesn’t burn oil.
Doesn’t suffer from reduced range.

And the best part, with regular oil changes at 40 bucks a pop and half that if I do it myself.
Go for another 200k.

EV’s are, and will be, silly cars. You are probably not a silly person but like the Monty Python skit for years ago, as long as those in involved realize how ridiculous everyone looks while getting about, the ruse will go on..

But once the strut is exposed everyone, well at least for folks like me, will be sitting back and prone to laugh..
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RiNS
RiNS
July 10, 2019 1:30 pm

mOAR TESLA FUCKERY

TampaRed
TampaRed
  RiNS
July 10, 2019 1:58 pm

what i want to know is,where were all those cops going on a rural illinois highway when they could have been patrolling in chicago?