Nine-Eleven by the Numbers

This should create an old fashioned TBP shitstorm.

Guest Post by Fred Reed

In the mysteriously continuing hoorawhaw over whether the Twin Towers were brought down by an “inside job,”I have often ignited the fury of the extraordinarily sensitive Truthers, who believe in intentional demolition,. My sin was pointing out that demolition is a physical undertaking. It is not metaphorical. Physical explosives in specific quantities must be put in actual places. If it cannot be shown that this would be physically possible, an inside job did not happen.

It is hard to get specifics from Truthers, but the centerline story is that Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, blew up the Towers. This was to provide a pretext for the US to attack Iraq. Sometimes the CIA and President Bush II are said to be involved.

Stories differ considerably. Several Truthers have said or implied that all 110 floors must have been rigged for demolition. This would explain why structural materials were converted into fine dust and why floors collapsed consecutively at a higher rate than (say the Truthers) can be explained by gravity. Well, OK. Whatever brought the Towers down did indeed do it rapidly.

Another centerline assertion is that nanothermite was used to melt through the steel columns supporting the buildings This stuff burns at a horrific temperature and can in fact be used to melt through things.

Using these assumptions, we will make worst-case baseline calculations and then modify the assumption as desired.

The Towers were held up by an exoskeleton of massive steel columns, fifty-nine on each of their four faces, for a total of 236). The 236 column segments visible on a single floor would require the placing of 236 charges. If we assume that a Mossad Demolition Expert (hereinafter MDE) can place one charge per night, then a single MDE would require 236 nights, or 7.87 months, to place charges on an entire floor. Of course, 236 Mossad agents could rig a floor in one night.

There being 110 floors, the entire Tower would have about 110 times 236 column segments or, to a close approximation, 25,960. This would take one MDE a bit over 71 years, though 236 MDEs could do it in110 nights, or just under four months. Of course, 25,960 MDEs could rig the entire building to blow in one night, but this seems improbable.

Let us assume that each column segment would require ten pounds of nanothermite. Thus a single floor would require 2,360 pounds or 1.18 tons. All 110 floors would then require 129.8 tons. We may guess, without really knowing, that several eighteen-wheelers would bring this from wherever Mossad gets its nanothermite.

Inside the Twin Towers. Note the steel column segments, completely visible from within offices. Key phrase: Completely visible. Since the Towers were office buildings, all or virtually all would be visible to office workers.
Inside the Twin Towers. Note the steel column segments, completely visible from within offices. Key phrase: Completely visible. Since the Towers were office buildings, all or virtually all would be visible to office workers.

But things become more complicated. To place the charges, the MDEs would have to remove the cosmetic covering from the column segments. It looks like plaster. Thus each MDE would have to be accompanied by a Trained Traceless Mossad Plasterer, or TTMP, to replace the covering unnoticeably. He could perhaps dry it quickly with a hair dryer. Of course if the covering is other than plaster, another sort of workman would be necessary. We will here not investigate the tonnage of plaster needed if indeed plaster was used.

Presumably Mossad has rapid replacers of various types of material, wood, drywall, wallpaper, what have you.

A minor complication would be getting rid of the fire-retardant insulation that usually covers structural steel, it being well known that heat both weakens steel and causes it to expand.

Doing all of this without drawing the attention of the office workers would seem problematic. (Unless they were Mossad Trained Suicide Office Workers, of course.) Another problem is that the janitorial and maintenance staff might wonder why strangers were running about with nanothermite and detonators and tearing plaster off column segments. The best explanation is that they were in the pay of Mossad.

Now, as aforesaid, these calculations can be modified to reflect different assumptions. For example, if we assume that only five pounds of nanothermite are needed to melt through a massive steel column, instead of ten, then the tonnage of nanothermite per floor can be reduced to just over half a ton . If only one pound per column segment is needed, then only 2390 pounds, a a bit over a ton, would serve for the whole building. If a tenth of a pound of nanothermite could cut a massive steel column, then 239 pounds would bring down the whole building.

If we further assume that only every other column has to be blown to bring the building down as observed, this halves the nanothermite weight again to a quarter ton, and so on.

If Truthers do not find these admirable calculations satisfactory, then by all means they should offer others. They may suggest a means of destruction that I have never heard of. The point is that a theory should be physically plausible.

Truthers might argue that dropping just one floor would be sufficient, which floor would jar loose the one below and so on in a chain reaction, thus requiring the placing of nanothermits on only one floor. This comes perilously close to the Official Story.

Since the Towers clearly began collapsing at or near the site of the plane strikes, the Israeli Suicide Pilots would have to know just what floor to run into. This would take good flying, but is certainly possible. I have heard that the suicide pilots trained by running El Al airliners into mock-ups of the Towers secretly built into a mountainside near the Dead Sea, but I regard this as speculative.

Now, Building Seven. Why blow it up at all? Doing so throws doubt on the desired conclusion that the Towers were knocked down by the airplanes since Building Seven didn’t have an airplane but dropped anyway. I have read several times that the CIA had incriminating documents in its office in the building, and planted charges to destroy them.

Now, Gentle Reader, if you or I wanted to destroy embarrassing documents, we would feed them into a paper shredder and burn the chaff in an incinerator. It seems that when the CIA wants to destroy documents, it blows up the building.

But enough on the housekeeping peculiarities of the ClA. Tell me a story, any story, but please, please make it physically possible.

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swimologist
swimologist
January 16, 2020 4:17 pm

I’m no fan of Israel, but all the Truther stuff is just ridiculous. They should stick to REAL conspiracies such as the assassinations of the 1960’s, for instance. Or the rise of the Deep State and the Orwellian behemoth FedGov after WWII (and before)

Hyperborean
Hyperborean
  swimologist
January 16, 2020 6:24 pm

Building 7

’nuff said

BL
BL
  Hyperborean
January 16, 2020 6:39 pm

Hyper- BINGO, BINGO, BINGO .

StackingStock
StackingStock
  BL
January 16, 2020 7:42 pm

twin pines mall back to the future 1:16am
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Pequiste
Pequiste
  StackingStock
January 16, 2020 8:24 pm

I like concision. Thank you.

22winmag - TBP's top-secret Jew
22winmag - TBP's top-secret Jew
  StackingStock
January 16, 2020 11:17 pm

“I took their plutonium, and in return I gave them a shoddy bomb casing full of spare pinball machine parts.”

Hiroshima = Napalm clusterbomb

old white guy
old white guy
  Hyperborean
January 17, 2020 8:00 am

Ok, I will stop laughing at that someday.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean
  swimologist
January 16, 2020 6:52 pm

The core of neoconservative philosophy, drawing heavily from Plato, is the perpetual state of emergency that will bind the populace behind in a common cause created by the unseen philosopher kings. Once this populace is united, and it can only be united through emotional trauma or elation, it can be directed into the service of implementing the global financial control mechanism through continuous war that is necessary for the end of history.

9-11 was enacted for the same reason moon landing was faked – to unite the population of the USA. The moon landing convinced the people that anything was possible.. What better way to convince a people of its superiority than to have that people believe it went to the moon. Like “Hi Mom, we’re #1”.

The Project for the New American Century in the mid ’90s outlined the sequence of USA endless wars against all those nations not yet under the yoke of the BIS – Lebanon, Libya, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, North Korea. Remember than that Boris Yeltsin had sold out Russia so it was not part of the original plan back then. 9-11 was the emotional trauma enacted to unite the population and put it on its course of endless wars as proxy army for the BIS.

But one thing that ol’ Plato never contemplated was the the best laid plans of the philosopher kings could go FUBAR. Putin has all but neutered the privately owned central bank in Russia, China has likely reneged on its original promises to the BIS (as Chinks always do), and al-CIAda and ISIS-for-hire has failed to topple Assad with his state controlled central bank still in tact.

It’s funny thought that I laways interpreted the end of history in that there weren’t enough people left in the populace that could read, so there would be no more use for history. In the end it is a Morlocks and Eloi outcome.

mike
mike
  Hyperborean
January 16, 2020 7:13 pm

>neoconservative philosophy drawing heavily from Plato
Ouch, that really hurts.
You sure have proof for that??

Hyperborean
Hyperborean
  mike
January 16, 2020 7:22 pm

You can start by reading Plato’s Republic and then some of the works of Leo Strauss who is considered one of the first neoconservatives. The Leo Strauss Center is at the University of Chicago, which is considered the birthplace of neo-conservative thinking. And, who ponied up a big chunk of money to build and run the University of Chicago – yep, John D. Rockefeller, mister beneficiary of the end of history himself.

Balls in your court now.

mike
mike
  Hyperborean
January 16, 2020 10:56 pm

So a non-answer by you.
How about you give us your definition of “conservative” (w/o neo) in a short and concise way.
I promise I will then give mine.

Hans
Hans
  mike
January 17, 2020 3:49 am

How about the definition of neo-conservative, Hyper?

Hans F
Hans F
  Hans
January 17, 2020 6:52 am

Hey get a new name!!

Hyperborean
Hyperborean
  mike
January 17, 2020 6:57 am

Barry Goldwater

mike
mike
  Hyperborean
January 17, 2020 3:44 pm

Another non-answer.
OK, we’re done here.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean
  mike
January 18, 2020 10:47 am

The best answers are those you find for yourself. You’re just being lazy.

old white guy
old white guy
  Hyperborean
January 17, 2020 8:03 am

There was a quote on wisdom earlier, too bad it is sorely lacking.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean
  Hyperborean
January 16, 2020 7:13 pm

I will again direct TBP readers to the incredible, forgotten work of Daniel J. Boorstin titled “The Image”, released in 1962 just after Kennedy promised to send a man to the moon – the ultimate pseudo-event prior to 9-11. This is the first “Ontology of Media” where Boorstin outlines the framework for creating what he called ‘Pseudo-Events” through all forms of mass media.

And pseudo-event doesn’t necessarily mean it didn’t happen, it means it is a contrived event. So I will never say 9-11 didn’t happen, although I can go on ad nauseum about how the moon landing was bogus.

Stanley Kubrick
Stanley Kubrick
  Hyperborean
January 16, 2020 8:49 pm
Apple
Apple
  swimologist
January 16, 2020 6:55 pm

Well the official story is an obvious lie. Thats why there are truthers, like ae911, architects and engineers for 911 truth.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean
  Apple
January 16, 2020 6:57 pm

And Anti-Truthers, like NIST.

old white guy
old white guy
  Apple
January 17, 2020 8:04 am

There sure are a lot of nuts who are unable to believe what they see with their own eyes.

Apple
Apple
  old white guy
January 17, 2020 8:23 am

What did you see?
I saw a controlled demolition.

Rossa
Rossa
  old white guy
January 17, 2020 8:27 am

Well I’m not architect or engineer just an average woman on the street.

What I ‘saw’ with my own eyes on TV were two big planes fly into two towers and……disappear! Where did they go? Did they just stop and crash straight down vertically on top of the rubble that was all that was left of the buildings? Explode into dust?

Considering the size of the planes, weight and their momentum surely they should have come out the other side before crashing? They didn’t just hit a solid mass and disintegrate. There is space between all those steel columns, walls and glass for a ‘plane’ to fly through.

Same goes with the Pentagon. How come the gap wasn’t that wide, actually narrower than the plane that was supposed to have hit it (maybe both wings sheared off?) some of the windows were still intact, building was hardly burnt and the projectile (plane) didn’t get very far. It only penetrated the external wall, the internal wall of the pentagon at that point was still intact. Again, not a solid mass. So how and why did that happen?

Just wondering.

mark
mark
  swimologist
January 16, 2020 9:14 pm

“the Truther stuff is just ridiculous.”

swimologist…The devil really is in the details…and this devil is Mossad…you need to do a deep dive…here is a jackknife off the short board: there is a lot more then this little pool of truth to dive in.

WARNING—-NOT FOR THE SKIMMER BUMPER STICKER READER…WONK INVESTIGATORS ONLY. (sorry for the bad paragraph breaks – tried to fix).

MOSSAD RAN 9/11 ARAB ‘HIJACKER’ TERRORIST OPERATION
By Wayne Madsen

DETAILS OF WAYNE MADSEN REPORT–British intelligence reported in February 2002 that the Israeli Mossad ran the Arab hijacker cells that were later blamed by the U.S. government’s 9/11 Commission for carrying out the aerial attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. WMR has received details of the British intelligence report which was suppressed by the UK government of then-Prime Minister Tony Blair. A Mossad unit consisting of six Egyptian- and Yemeni-born Jews infiltrated “Al Qaeda” cells in Hamburg (the Atta-Mamoun Darkanzali cell), south Florida, and Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates in the months before 9/11. The Mossad not only infiltrated cells but began to run them and give them specific orders that would eventually culminate in their being on board four regularly-scheduled flights originating in Boston, Washington Dulles, and Newark, New Jersey on 9/11.

The Mossad infiltration team comprised six Israelis, comprising two cells of three agents, who
all received special training at a Mossad base in the Negev Desert in their future control and handling of the “Al Qaeda” cells. One Mossad cell traveled to Amsterdam where they submitted to the operational control of the Mossad’s Europe Station, which operates from the El Al complex at Schiphol International Airport. The three-man Mossad unit then traveled to Hamburg where it made contact with Mohammed Atta, who believed they were sent by Osama Bin Laden. In fact, they were sent by Ephraim Halevy, the chief of Mossad. The second three-man Mossad team flew to New York and then to southern Florida where they began to direct the “Al Qaeda” cells operating from Hollywood, Miami, Vero Beach, Delray Beach, and West Palm Beach. Israeli “art students,” already under investigation by the Drug Enforcement Administration for casing the offices and homes of federal law enforcement officers, had been living among and conducting surveillance of the activities, including flight school training, of the future Arab “hijacker” cells, particularly in Hollywood and Vero Beach.

In August 2001, the first Mossad team flew with Atta and other Hamburg “Al Qaeda” members to Boston. Logan International Airport’s security was contracted to Huntleigh USA, a firm owned by an Israeli airport security firm closely connected to Mossad International Consultants on Targeted Security ICTS. ICTS’s owners were politically connected to the Likud Party, particularly the Netanyahu faction and then-Jerusalem mayor and future Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. It was Olmert who personally interceded with New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani to have released from prison five Urban Moving Systems employees, identified by the CIA and FBI agents as Mossad agents.

The Israelis were the only suspects arrested anywhere in the United States on 9/11 who were thought to have been involved in the 9/11 attacks. The two Mossad teams sent regular coded reports on the progress of the 9/11 operation to Tel Aviv via the Israeli embassy in Washington, DC. WMR has learned from a Pentagon source that leading Americans tied to the media effort to pin 9/11 on Arab hijackers, Osama Bin Laden, and the Taliban were present in the Israeli embassy on September 10, 2001, to coordinate their media blitz for the subsequent days and weeks following the attacks. It is more than likely that FBI counter-intelligence agents who conduct surveillance of the Israeli embassy have proof on the presence of the Americans present at the embassy on September 10. Some of the Americans are well-known to U.S. cable news television audiences.

In mid-August, the Mossad team running the Hamburg cell in Boston reported to Tel Aviv that
the final plans for 9/11 were set. The Florida-based Mossad cell reported that the documented
“presence” of the Arab cell members at Florida flight schools had been established. The two Mossad cells studiously avoided any mention of the World Trade Center or targets in Washington, DC in their coded messages to Tel Aviv. Halevy covered his tracks by reporting to the CIA of a “general threat” by an attack by Arab terrorists on a nuclear plant somewhere on the East Coast of the United States. CIA director George Tenet dismissed the Halevy warning as “too non-specific.” The FBI, under soon-to-be-departed director Louis Freeh, received the “nonspecific” warning about an attack on a nuclear power plant and sent out the information in its routine bulletins to field agents but no high alert was ordered.

The lack of a paper trail pointing to “Al Qaeda” as the masterminds on 9/11, which could then be linked to Al Qaeda’s Mossad handlers, threw off the FBI. On April 19, 2002, FBI director Robert Mueller, in a speech to San Francisco’s Commonwealth Club, stated: “In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper either here in the United States, or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere that mentioned any aspect of the September 11 plot.”

The two Mossad “Al Qaeda” infiltration and control teams had also helped set up safe houses for the quick exfiltration of Mossad agents from the United States. Last March, WMR reported: “WMR has learned from two El Al sources who worked for the Israeli airline at New York’s John F. Kennedy airport that on 9/11, hours after the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) grounded all civilian domestic and international incoming and outgoing flights to and from the United States, a full El Al Boeing 747 took off from JFK bound for Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion International Airport. The two El Al employee sources are not Israeli nationals but legal immigrants from Ecuador who were working in the United States for the airline. The flight departed JFK at 4:11 pm and its departure was, according to the El Al sources, authorized by the direct intervention of the U.S. Department of Defense. U.S. military officials were on the scene at JFK and were personally involved with the airport and air traffic control authorities to clear the flight for take-off. According to the 9/11 Commission report, Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta ordered all civilian flights to be grounded at 9:45 am on September 11.” WMR has learned from British intelligence sources that the six-man Mossad team was listed on the El Al flight manifest as El Al employees.

WMR previously reported that the Mossad cell operating in the Jersey City-Weehawken area of
New Jersey through Urban Moving Systems was suspected by some in the FBI and CIA of being
involved in moving explosives into the World Trade Center as well as staging “false flag”
demonstrations at least two locations in north Jersey: Liberty State Park and an apartment complex in Jersey City as the first plane hit the World Trade Center’s North Tower. One team of Urban Moving Systems Mossad agents was arrested later on September 11 and jailed for five months at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn. Some of their names turned up in a joint CIA-FBI database as known Mossad agents, along with the owner of Urban Moving Systems, Dominik Suter, whose name also appeared on a “Law Enforcement Sensitive” FBI 9/11 suspects list, along with the names of key “hijackers,” including Mohammed Atta and Hani Hanjour, as well as the so-called “20th hijacker,” Zacarias Moussaoui.

Suter was allowed to escape the United States after the FBI made initial contact with him at the
Urban Moving Systems warehouse in Weehawken, New Jersey, following the 9/11 attacks. Suter was later permitted to return to the United States where he was involved in the aircraft parts supply business in southern Florida, according to an informed source who contacted WMR. Suter later filed for bankruptcy in Florida for Urban Moving Systems and other businesses he operated: Suburban Moving & Storage Inc.; Max Movers, Inc.; Invsupport; Woodflooring Warehouse Corp.; One Stop Cleaning LLC; and City Carpet Upholstery, Inc. At the time of the bankruptcy filing in Florida, Suter listed his address as 1867 Fox Court, Wellington, FL 33414, with a phone number of 561 204-2359.

From the list of creditors it can be determined that Suter had been operating in the United States since 1993, the year of the first attack on the World Trade Center. In 1993, Suter began racking up American Express credit card charges totaling $21,913.97. Suter also maintained credit card accounts with HSBC Bank and Orchard Bank c/o HSBC Card Services of Salinas, California, among other banks. Suter also did business with the Jewish Community Center of Greater Palm Beach in Florida and Ryder Trucks in Miami. Miami and southern Florida were major operating areas for cells of Israeli Mossad agents masquerading as “art students,” who were living and working near some of the identified future Arab “hijackers” in the months preceding 9/11.

ABC’s 20/20 correspondent John Miller ensured that the Israeli connection to “Al Qaeda’s” Arab
hijackers was buried in an “investigation” of the movers’ activity on 9/11. Anchor Barbara Walters helped Miller in putting a lid on the story about the movers and Suter aired on June 21, 2002. Miller then went on to become the FBI public affairs spokesman to ensure that Mueller and other FBI officials kept to the “Al Qaeda” script as determined by the Bush administration and the future 9/11 Commission. But former CIA chief of counter-terrorism Vince Cannistraro let slip to ABC an important clue to the operations of the Mossad movers in New Jersey when he stated that the Mossad agents “set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area.” The “intelligence operation” turned out to have been the actual 9/11 attacks. And it was no coincidence that it was ABC’s John Miller who conducted a May 1998 rare interview of Osama Bin Laden at his camp in Afghanistan. Bin Laden played his part well for future scenes in the fictional “made-for-TV” drama known as 9/11.

WMR has also learned from Italian intelligence sources that Mossad’s running of “Al Qaeda”
operatives did not end with running the “hijacking” teams in the United States and Hamburg. Other Arab “Al Qaeda” operatives, run by Mossad, were infiltrated into Syria but arrested by Syrian intelligence. Syria was unsuccessful in turning them to participate in intelligence operations in Lebanon. Detailed information on Bin Laden’s support team was offered to the Bush administration, up to days prior to 9/11, by Gutbi al-Mahdi, the head of the Sudanese Mukhabarat intelligence service. The intelligence was rejected by the Bush White House. It was later reported that Sudanese members of “Al Qaeda’s” support network were double agents for Mossad who had also established close contacts with Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh and operated in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Eritrea, as well as Sudan. The Mossad connection to Al Qaeda in Sudan was likely known by the Sudanese Mukhabarat, a reason for the rejection of its intelligence on “Al Qaeda” by the thoroughly Mossad penetrated Bush White House. Yemen had also identified “Al Qaeda” members who were also Mossad agents. A former chief of Mossad revealed to this editor in 2002 that Yemeni-born Mossad “deep insertion” commandos spotted Bin Laden in the Hadhramaut region of eastern Yemen after his escape from Tora Bora in Afghanistan, following the U.S. invasion.

French intelligence determined that other Egyptian- and Yemeni-born Jewish Mossad agents
were infiltrated into Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates as radical members of the Muslim
Brotherhood. However, the “Muslim Brotherhood” agents actually were involved in providing
covert Israeli funding for “Al Qaeda” activities. On February 21, 2006, WMR reported on the U.S. Treasury Secretary’s firing by President Bush over information discovered on the shady “Al Qaeda” accounts in the United Arab Emirates: “Banking insiders in Dubai report that in March 2002, U.S. Secretary of Treasury Paul O’Neill visited Dubai and asked for documents on a $109,500 money transfer from Dubai to a joint account held by hijackers Mohammed Atta and Marwan al Shehhi at Sun Trust Bank in Florida. O’Neill also asked UAE authorities to close down accounts used by Al Qaeda. The UAE complained about O’Neill’s demands to the Bush administration. O’Neill’s pressure on the UAE and Saudis contributed to Bush firing him as Treasury Secretary in December 2002” O’Neill may have also stumbled on the “Muslim Brotherhood” Mossad operatives operating in the emirates who were directing funds to “Al Qaeda.”

After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the rise to power of the Taliban in Afghanistan, Sharjah’s ruler, Sultan bin Mohammed al-Qasimi, who survived a palace coup attempt in 1987, opened his potentate to Russian businessmen like Viktor Bout, as well as to financiers of radical Muslim groups, including the Taliban and “Al Qaeda.” Moreover, this Israeli support for “Al Qaeda” was fully known to Saud intelligence, which approved of it in order to avoid compromising Riyadh. The joint Israeli-Saudi support for “Al Qaeda” was well-known to the Sharjah and Ras al Khaimah-based aviation network of the now imprisoned Russian, Viktor Bout, jailed in New York on terrorism charges. The presence of Bout in New York, a hotbed of Israeli intelligence control of U.S. federal prosecutors, judges, as well as the news media, is no accident: Bout knows enough about the Mossad activities in Sharjah in support of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, where Bout also had aviation and logistics contracts, to expose Mossad as the actual mastermind behind 9/11. Bout’s aviation empire also extended to Miami and Dallas, two areas that were nexuses for the Mossad control operations for the “Al Qaeda” flight training operations of the Arab cell members in the months prior to 9/11.

Bout’s path also crossed with “Al Qaeda’s” support network at the same bank in Sharjah, HSBC.
Mossad’s phony Muslim Brotherhood members from Egypt and Yemen controlled financing for
“Al Qaeda” through the HSBC accounts in Sharjah. Mossad’s Dominik Suter also dealt with HSBC
in the United States. The FBI’s chief counter-terrorism agent investigating Al Qaeda, John O’Neill, became aware of the “unique” funding mechanisms for Al Qaeda. It was no mistake that O’Neill was given the job as director of security for the World Trade Center on the eve of the attack. O’Neill perished in the collapse of the complex. Mossad uses a number of Jews born in Arab countries to masquerade as Arabs. They often carry forged or stolen passports from Arab countries or nations in Europe that have large Arab immigrant populations, particularly Germany, France, Britain, Denmark, Sweden, and the Netherlands.

For Mossad, the successful 9/11 terrorist “false flag” operation was a success beyond expectations. The Bush administration, backed by the Blair government, attacked and occupied Iraq, deposing Saddam Hussein, and turned up pressure on Israel’s other adversaries, including Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Hamas, and Lebanese Hezbollah. The Israelis also saw the U.S., Britain, and the U.N. begin to crack down on the Lebanese Shi’a diamond business in Democratic Republic of Congo and West Africa, and with it, the logistics support provided by Bout’s aviation companies, which resulted in a free hand for Tel Aviv to move in on Lebanese diamond deals in central and west Africa. Then-Israeli Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu commented on the 9/11 attacks on U.S. television shortly after they occurred. Netanyahu said: “It is very good!” It now appears that Netanyahu, in his zeal, blew Mossad’s cover as the masterminds of 9/11.

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, author and syndicated columnist. He has written for several renowned papers and blogs. Madsen is a regular contributor on Russia Today. He has been a frequent political and national security commentator on Fox News and has also appeared on ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, and MS-NBC. Madsen has taken on Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity on their television shows. He has been invited to testify as a witness before the US House of Representatives, the U.N. Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, and a terrorism investigation panel of the French government.

As a U.S. Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security programs for the U.S. Navy. He subsequently worked for the National Security Agency, the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA Corporation, and Computer Sciences Corporation. Madsen is a member of the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ), the Association for Intelligence Officers (AFIO), and the National Press Club. He is a regular contributor to Opinion Maker

The Wikileak’s report, and the WMR report above shows the collaboration of President George H.W. Bush and the Israeli government that the 9/11/2001 attack was a joint operation between the U.S., U.K., and Israel governments, as a false-flag event for the dual purpose of manipulating public support for a war against Iraq and Afghanistan, along with the regime change of 7 countries in 5 years on behalf of Israel.

The problem is that two countries: Iran and Syria are left as unfinished business. This explains why the U.K. continues to hold Julian Assange in U.K. imprisonment after nearly seven years. In June 2012, after his extradition appeal was denied by the Supreme Court, Assange sought refuge in the Ecuadoran embassy. He applied for asylum on the grounds that extradition to Sweden could lead to eventual prosecution in the United States for actions related to WikiLeak’s.

The publishing of State Secrets will most likely see Julian Assange isolated from his lawyers and the press and ultimate death in a U.K. prison. The recent build-up of the U.S. military in the Middle East would indicate that President Trump is going to make good the regime change of Iran and Syria. The recent rocket attack on a U.S. Army base in Iraq, by Iranian Revolutionary Guards has given the President a basis for an attack on Iran. The only question is when it will take place.

George H. W. Bush, $240 billion in Brady Bonds, 9-11, and Cantor Fitzgerald’s destruction: COUNTERFEIT debt instruments INVOLVING FRAUD IN THE U.S. BANKING SYSTEM were due the day after the 9.11 attacks. The $240 billion in stolen currency–which may lead to trillions of U.S. banking fraud–was obtained resulting from George H. W. Bush’s presidential abuse of power in cahoots with other federal unpunished criminals like Bush Sir’s ex-Treasury Sec. Nicholas Brady and Bush Sir’s ex-Sec. of State James Baker III. The George H. W. Bush $240billion fraud of 1991 was never repaid since the ten-year Brady bonds involved in the fraud transaction–purchased before September 13, 1991 using fraudulent collateral, faked signatures, and gold bullion as security came due on September 12, 2001, the day after the 9.11 attacks. Allegedly, they were underwritten and held by the trustee, Cantor-Fitzgerald bond brokerage firm, whose offices on floors 101-105 in the North Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) were destroyed on 9.11 along with the Brady bond evidence. No requirements to pay them back, and it covers up another Bush family financial crime and sizable legal debt and a global terrorism network.

Cantor Fitzgerald was the only major bond house in the WTC that had its personnel “left unrescued”, unlike other bankers in the WTC where their CEOs were sitting with CEO of MITRE (runs for fed. military and NORAD lots of high tech airplane radio-controlling machines) Warren Buffett in the Offutt AFB in Oklahoma City from early morning of 9-11-01. – — Mary Schneider contributed additional research for this report. [Mary was illegally fired by the Department of Homeland Security for her whistleblower activity in the Orlando, FL Immigration office to protect America.] –Is the situation so bad that patriotic intelligence agents–worried about the future of their own families–are increasingly bypassing “purchased” compromised mainstream media outlets because they don’t trust them to tell the truth anymore? Do continued poor congressional poll ratings indicate Americans have a gnawing inner feeling that their elected legislators are conspiring to cover-up credible evidence of a controlled demolition of the WTCs on 9.11 or pre-emptive war based upon lies?

Why did federal judges throw out evidence that FBI translator Sibel Edmonds heard names of ten prominent American politicians and heads of federal agencies involved in drug money laundering and financing the 9.11 attacks? Are they dirty too? Why was district immigration adjudications officer Mary Schneider fired because she uncovered an illegal Muslim marriage ring linked to “hijacker” Mohamed Atta and Khalil bin Laden? And it’s not news that eight of Tony Blair’s British intelligence agents (four killed in a fire-fight) attempted to blow up the Chicago subway? Will it take citizens encircling the White House and Congressional office buildings with handcuffs to stop the crime? The evidence is that strong.

Justice for the 9/11 attacks has yet to be achieved on behalf of the 3,000 victims of 9/11 and their families. But Cosmic justice will be swift and thorough to those who planned and executed the world’s largest crime of 9/11/2001. God will avenge the victims whose blood cries out for vengeance. The Apostle Paul states in Romans 12:9 that God will avenge the victims.

mark
mark
  mark
January 16, 2020 10:25 pm

For those interested this is easier to read:

https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=1332210

Llpoh
Llpoh
  mark
January 16, 2020 11:55 pm

For those interested, the collected works of William Faulkner is an easier read.

mark
mark
  Llpoh
January 17, 2020 11:01 pm

Ok, Llpoh my friend here is my collected works of the 911 ‘TOP 9’ investigations….if interested save it, and over the weeks, months, years (took me years) eat the elephant one bite at a time (or not).

Page 1 on No.1 is all you need at a glance to know everything else is a lie.

1. US Military False Flag Attack Against Its Own Citizenry Demands A War Crimes Tribunal

HERE IS THE ONE VID ON PAGE ONE OF THE CRUISE MISSILE THEY COULDN’T CONFISCATE THAT HIT THE PENTAGON THAT IS STILL ON THE NET.

9/11 FACT: The Pentagon Was Hit By A Cruise Missile From The US Military Arsenal

2. 9/11 SECURITY COURTESY OF MARVIN BUSH
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html

3. “September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor” – Full version (1/3)

4. “September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor” – Full version (2/3)

5. “September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor” – Full version (3/3)

6. 9/11 – New World Order

9/11 As False-Flag, State-Sponsored Terror; Global War OF Terror; One-World (Luciferic/Antichrist/) Religion & New (Jew) World Order Electronic Warfare-Digital Enslavement-Beast System cum Civilian Targeting Program

7. No Explanation For Building #6 Implosion On 9/11

No Explanation For Building #6 Implosion On 9/11

8. 9/11 Conspiracy Fully Uncovered, Rebekah Roth, Author of Methodical Illusion & Methodical Deception
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6SeHSHEFHo

9. Dustification and Twin Towers conspiracy
https://www.theunspeakable.org/dustification/

M G
M G
  mark
January 18, 2020 10:59 am

Hey… I was reading one of your posts about D.E.W. technology and research. Is that here or at another blog?

Lebowski
Lebowski
  mark
January 17, 2020 1:36 am

Is Wayne Madsen still alive?

Hans
Hans
  Lebowski
January 17, 2020 3:53 am

Yes, he is sheltering in place on the moon.

Lebowski
Lebowski
  swimologist
January 17, 2020 1:33 am

Can’t seem to get the response button to work, strange right?

ottomatik
ottomatik
January 16, 2020 4:38 pm

That was even weaker than the 911 commission, Fred, please stick to writing about burritos and senoritas.

Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
  ottomatik
January 16, 2020 4:44 pm

Where’s that dang Paula, making candles?

M G
M G
  Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
January 16, 2020 5:04 pm

This is too dull for dullards. Kidding! (if she sees that, I will pay dearly…)

22winmag - TBP's top-secret Jew
22winmag - TBP's top-secret Jew
  ottomatik
January 16, 2020 5:30 pm

” If it cannot be shown that this would be physically possible, an inside job did not happen. ”

Vomit.

Tarpan
Tarpan
January 16, 2020 4:40 pm

That commentary is pathetic.Extreme nos. saying nothing. Both buildings had down times, one just prior to 9/11. One building had a group of Israeli art students for a year with full clearances and boxes of fuses.

Lebowski
Lebowski
  Tarpan
January 17, 2020 1:37 am

Rebecca Roth right?

Bilco
Bilco
January 16, 2020 4:41 pm

I have no doubt that the two planes brought down the buildings. My questions have always been. Was it allowed to happen,and could there have more on those planes than just the plane hitting the buildings. In any case. Shortly after.Government sure grew.

Lebowski
Lebowski
  Bilco
January 17, 2020 1:38 am

You just proved to everyone here that you are NOT a structural engineer by trade

Sionnach Liath
Sionnach Liath
  Bilco
January 17, 2020 8:55 am

In the 1970’s I was working in the Savings and Loan business. The Federal Home Loan Bank of NY, the S&L regulator, had offices near the top of one of those buildings, and I was in those offices frequently. Every time I went into that building and up those elevators, it scared the hell out of me. One could feel the building sway with the winds. People in the S&L offices t would tell me they hated working there; it made them feel seasick. I came to believe that there were actual structural deficiencies in the construction of the buildings. I am not an engineer, but I have to think that the terrible level of stress created by the explosions of the planes, combined with the pre-existing structural issues simply overcame the lower floors as the weight of the upper floors collapsed on them. I cannot comment on bldg. 7

Jaz
Jaz
  Bilco
January 17, 2020 9:15 am

Suit case nukes?

MTD
MTD
January 16, 2020 4:42 pm

I stopped reading at Guest Post by Fred Reed.

Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
  MTD
January 16, 2020 6:44 pm

That’s cause your stupid and your momma dresses you funny. How many teeth do you have? Hopefully more than your IQ.

Paulita Senorita!
Paulita Senorita!
  Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
January 17, 2020 6:49 am
Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
  Paulita Senorita!
January 17, 2020 9:48 am

200.

Whose this Friend of Paulita, you got people wearing team jerseys?

M G
M G
  Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
January 17, 2020 10:06 am

Gotta get you up to speed, pal… where’s Yo?

Lebowski
Lebowski
  MTD
January 17, 2020 1:39 am

Why, who is he and why don’t you trust him?

steve fagundes
steve fagundes
January 16, 2020 4:44 pm

1 and 2 were destroyed by nuclear devices. Now, before you smirk, roll your eyes and casually dismiss that as just more truther rubbish, enlighten yourself and do the research.

Now if you do the research and still aren’t convinced, then I’d be all ears for your explanation as to how those buildings were basically pulverized from top to bottom. It sure as hell was wasn’t caused by a jet fuel triggered collapse, “nanothermite”, or any other standard demolition explosive.

gman
gman
  steve fagundes
January 16, 2020 5:18 pm

can’t see how it could be a nuke of any description, but their astounding total collapse into a pile of complete rubble (two of them no less!) certainly wasn’t because of the aircraft or jet fuel.

Lebowski
Lebowski
  gman
January 17, 2020 1:40 am

Why not? Veterans Today spelled out the nuke theory in great detail

Apple
Apple
  steve fagundes
January 16, 2020 6:57 pm

I’d shout ‘nonsense’ except for all the ground zero cancers and all the radioactive materials they measured in the air.

Martels Hammer
Martels Hammer
  Apple
January 16, 2020 8:41 pm

The cancers were caused by the myriad of toxic materials floating around. I know two cancer survivors who worked the pile. Zero radioactivity at the site zero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Martels Hammer
Martels Hammer
  steve fagundes
January 16, 2020 8:38 pm

Have you ever been to the WTC site before or after. You sir are a liar or a moron or both.

Hans
Hans
  Martels Hammer
January 17, 2020 4:07 am

Mr Hammer, he is both and now is being treated at the Barry Obomba
Institute for Recidivism.

Steve
Steve
  steve fagundes
January 16, 2020 10:48 pm

I saw a massive steel beam 4-7 stories tall, disintegrate into dust while falling through the air. It was a video by Judy Woodruff video. “Dustification” can occur with nuclear explosions.

Hans
Hans
  Steve
January 17, 2020 4:09 am

“Dustification” LOL, must have been used on the cartoon channel.

Apple
Apple
  Hans
January 17, 2020 8:26 am

Didnt you see the dustcloud that coated absolutely everything and everyone? It was on tv and in every clip of the day.

Steve
Steve
  Hans
January 17, 2020 4:23 pm

Hans, My Friend,
You can watch the video and I was wrong. I said the beams that disappeared were 4-7 stories (50-90 feet). No, it was about 700 feet tall. See for yourself at 4:45, 7:19, 7:50, 8:08.

Apple
Apple
  Steve
January 17, 2020 8:25 am

Yes, i saw that as well

gilberts
gilberts
  steve fagundes
January 16, 2020 11:51 pm

And your proof is???

Because the idea a nuclear weapon seems so laughably insane, words fail me.
Even now, had a nuclear weapon been detonated in NYC, there would be some detectable fallout.

Apple
Apple
  gilberts
January 17, 2020 8:27 am

There is.

gilberts
gilberts
  Apple
January 17, 2020 12:10 pm

Sauce? I looked and didn’t see any.

Hans
Hans
  steve fagundes
January 17, 2020 4:04 am

There would radiation over the entire area, if nukes were used, Steve.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Hans
January 17, 2020 5:56 am

D. E. W.
Directed energy weapon
Research
Wake up sheeple

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
January 17, 2020 1:51 pm

best theory in my opinion….

M G
M G
  Hans
January 17, 2020 6:31 am

Hans? You dismiss a lot of evidence from other sources? You and Franz got anything on this?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/01/mystery-solved-the-wtc-was-nuked-on-911/

(Open-File Report 01-0429). Here’s a link to the chemistry table and another to the DOE report, “Study of Traces of Tritium at the World Trade Center” (UCRL-JC-150445):

Barium and Strontium: Neither of these elements should ever appear in building debris in these quantities. The levels never fall below 400ppm for Barium and they never drop below 700ppm for Strontium and reach over 3000ppm for both in the dust sample taken at Broadway and John Streets.

Thorium and Uranium: These elements only exist in radioactive form. Thorium is a radioactive element formed from Uranium by decay. It’s very rare and should not be present in building rubble, ever. So once again we have verifiable evidence that a nuclear fission event has taken place.

Lithium: With the presence of lithium we have compelling evidence that this fission pathway of Uranium to Thorium and Helium, with subsequent decay of the Helium into Lithium has taken place.

Lanthanum: Lanthanum is the next element in the disintegration pathway of the element Barium.

Yttrium: The next decay element after Strontium, which further confirms the presence of Barium.

Chromium: The presence of Chromium is one more “tell tale” signature of a nuclear detonation.

Tritium: A very rare element and should not be found at concentrations 55 times normal the basement of WTC-6 no less than 11 days after 9/11, which is another “tell tale” sign of nukes.

Temperatures at Ground Zero were between 600 and 2,000°F for six months after 9/11.

The clinchers though are the USGS dust samples and the Department of Energy (DOE) water samples. The USGS dust samples not only show elevated levels of elements such as uranium, thorium, barium, strontium, yttrium, chromium, copper, zinc, sodium and potassium, they show that the quantities of a dozen elements rising and falling predictably over a dozen sample locations. The only process that can explain this is nuclear fission. The DOE collected water samples from the basement of Six World Trade 11 days after 9/11 that contained tritium at 55 times background levels. This proves nuclear fusion took place.

gilberts
gilberts
  M G
January 17, 2020 12:10 pm

Sorry, but veterans today is not a reliable source. I read them, too, until I realized their content looked like bullshit.

http://conservative-headlines.com/2015/02/veterans-today-is-a-fake-news-website/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Today

veteranstoday.com

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/veterans-today/
https://taskandpurpose.com/dont-get-trapped-by-fake-news-blue-falcons

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  M G
January 17, 2020 12:12 pm

The US routinely used and still uses nuclear weapons in Iraq and other countries. Those bombs turned building to dust….

“However, what is little known is that for the past 25 years the United States and its allies have routinely used radioactive weapons in battle, in the form of warheads and explosives made with depleted, undepleted or slightly enriched uranium.”

“Ross Caputi was there with the U.S. 1st Battalion 8th Marines. He told me, “We used the SMAW-NE, and guys raved about how you could fire just one round and clear a building.” Concrete bunkers and buildings were instantly incinerated and collapsed. The DOD was not disappointed.”

https://www.newsweek.com/how-us-made-use-radioactive-bombs-routine-443732

gilberts
gilberts
  Mygirl...maybe
January 17, 2020 12:32 pm

I believe you are referring to Depleted Uranium weapons, which is different from a nuclear weapon. DU does not explode; it is extremely dense and makes a great penetrator.

I looked at the article and they explain these are not nuclear weapons, but radioactive weapons. Big difference.
Also, you would need to fire them at the WTC to get any effect.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  gilberts
January 17, 2020 11:42 pm

Where does nuclear radiation come from? The weapons are made using uranium.

gilberts
gilberts
  Mygirl...maybe
January 18, 2020 3:45 am

Nevertheless, a nuclear weapon is not a radiation weapon. You typed nuclear weapon. A DU 30mm round is not a nuclear weapon. A dirty bomb is not a nuclear weapon. A hydrogen bomb IS a nuclear weapon and not a radiation one.

Steve
Steve
  Hans
January 17, 2020 4:23 pm

WRONG HANS,
The nuclear devices were detonated deep with in the bedrock at the bottom of the buildings. This directed the blast wave straight up through the building causing a “dustification” of porcelain, concrete, steel and fusing of dissimiliar materials. See 27:30 BTW, there were many “unusual” isotopes found in the debris.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  steve fagundes
January 17, 2020 5:54 am

D. E. W

daddysteve
daddysteve
January 16, 2020 4:51 pm

If Reed really wanted the hard numbers from the truthers that he just can’t seem to find , he might try “Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth”. And in a hijack the thread sort of way , how about the entire Kansas state legislature being taken to a Nat. Guard base for a secret briefing.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  daddysteve
January 16, 2020 7:08 pm

Rumors swirl…missing nukes in Colorado swarms of drones on the hunt.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 16, 2020 4:53 pm

I’ve never heard a “Truther” claim that mossad planted explosives. What I have heard is that GW’s nephew had recently obtained the security contract ( has been verified as true) and that the building had been undergoing a series of “lock downs” at night for over a month- reason being to do “elevator repair.”
Not coincidentally the ownership of the 2 towers had changed hands within the month prior and that the buildings had been insured for 3x the value paid–all just coincidence and of no significance to Fred.

If it would take a single “mossad agent” 277 days to plant sufficient explosives to top;le the towers, how many days(nights) would it take a crew of 12 contractors( elevator maintenance guys) to plant the explosives at critical support beams/columns?
Much smarter architects, engineers, structural physicists and big-brained MIT guys have determined that it was not a natural collapse from fire–but Tijuana Fred has it all figured out…….

Hyperborean
Hyperborean
  Anonymous
January 16, 2020 7:33 pm

To me the “proof” of the inside job is the dog that didn’t bark. All protocol out the window to finish “The Pet Goat”. And not so much a flinch from ol’ GWB.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean
  Hyperborean
January 16, 2020 7:34 pm

Was the goat Baphomet? Why not Green Eggs and Ham?

Jaz
Jaz
  Hyperborean
January 17, 2020 10:51 am

Yes, with the limitless budgets our spy & law enforcement agencies ‘missed’ it. Then they use the event as an excuse for more power and money and they still miss things like Boston Marathon Bombing, San Bernadino Muslims and Las Vegas. Yet, people like Fred are still believers.

Martels Hammer
Martels Hammer
  Anonymous
January 16, 2020 8:43 pm

Fred is no lean expert or a manufacturing engineer. A lot easier to assist in taking the three buildings done than he thinks. Obviously building 7 was brought down!

CCRider
CCRider
January 16, 2020 4:55 pm

So freddy’s total analysis of building 7’s free fall collapse into its exact footprint is that there’s this new invention called the paper shredder? Oooh, deeeep thinking.

What we learned in 8th grade civics is that the jury is not empaneled to solve the crime. We’re there ro decide if the state has made their case. Not according to this juror. I’ll leave the technical analysis up to experts like fred (I guess) and

https://www.ktva.com/story/41015153/fire-did-not-cause-world-trade-center-building-7-collapse-uaf-study-suggests

Pequiste
Pequiste
  CCRider
January 16, 2020 8:34 pm

Larry “Very Lucky Fucker” Silverstein told the entire Godless world what happened to building 7:

He had the lease, the insurance, and the fore knowledge of the event. Scumbag should have been hung drawn and quartered for his interview regarding the terrible pre-planned event.

(Sorry Fred, you look mighty uninformed about this.)

StackingStock
StackingStock
  Pequiste
January 16, 2020 9:40 pm

Silverstein told the entire Godless world what happened to building 7:

TRUTH!!!!!!

Hans
Hans
  CCRider
January 17, 2020 4:19 am

Rider, “7” was very badly damage from failing debris of
the Towers.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  CCRider
January 17, 2020 6:00 am

There is 99.99% chance of a collapsing building NOT collapsing within its foot print naturally. It takes extremely competent professionals to make a footprint collapse a reality. But we are to believe 3 building, one untouched, magically on the same day fell, in place, in its own footprint. Wow. Serious sheeple here.

Jerry
Jerry
January 16, 2020 5:03 pm

Nuke pits placed just underneath air conditioning freon….Boom

Steve
Steve
  Jerry
January 16, 2020 10:52 pm

Molten granite in the bedrock underneath the buildings that took months to cool. indicative of temps found only in nuclear explosions.

M G
M G
January 16, 2020 5:05 pm

Dullard bait…

gman
gman
January 16, 2020 5:15 pm

anyone who watches wtc 7 coming down knows without any doubt that a controlled demolition took place. hands down, no question, end. how it got done and why is not clear, but it was a pre-planned inside job by some very large organization.

Hans
Hans
  gman
January 17, 2020 4:21 am

Geeman, then why bother with a jetliner, since they did not fool you?

gman
gman
  Hans
January 27, 2020 11:14 am

“then why bother with a jetliner”

this response is so disconnected I had to downvote it. wtc 7 was not hit by any jetliner. nor was it touched by the collapse of either tower. it just up and fell, for no observable reason.

there is a movie called “koyanisqatsi” that has about half an hour of controlled building demotion scenes. watch it a few times to get a feel for what a cd looks like, then watch wtc 7. it was an obvious controlled demolition.

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable
January 16, 2020 5:16 pm

Please stay with me through my ranting contribution. I’m still highly pissed about 9/11 as I think all Americans should be:

1. “W”/Cheney admin did all they could to avoid an investigation. 2. Something other than airplanes crashing brought down the towers and building seven. 3. Two of those “in charge” of military operations were either on their first day on the job or otherwise unfit for the job. 4. There were 7 drills in progress on that day, a feature of which were hijacked planes. 5. “W”‘s strange behavior at the elementary school. 6. FBI immediately rounded up all security footage in and around the Pentagon; since then we’ve seen 3 frames, where’s the rest. 7. Pentagon workers who survived the blast indicated they saw NO airplane parts or bodies. 8. Hoaxed cell phone calls as the tech couldn’t have worked. 9. Osama bin Laden never charged by FBI in connection with 9/11. 10. Dancing Israeli’s sent to “memorialize” the event on video. 11. Saudi nationals allowed to fly home while all other civilian air traffic halted. 12. Jet engine found blocks from “ground zero” the wrong brand for the supposed airplane that crashed into tower. 13. Why did building 7 fall and why did Silverstein say “we decided to pull it”; demolition like that takes weeks, no one has ever come forward saying they wired the building. And THAT’S just for starters, friends!

Crawfisher
Crawfisher
  WestcoastDeplorable
January 16, 2020 8:07 pm

I was never convinced a plane flew in to the Pentagon. Experienced pilots said the 270 degree turn the ‘plane’ made to hit the Pentagon, could not have been done by a jack leg partially trained pilot.

Down in the holler
Down in the holler
  Crawfisher
January 17, 2020 12:15 am

It was a plane. I was in the old navy annex and all of us were wondering wtf a jet was doing flying so low over our building — a few seconds later we found out why. That said, was it a setup? Heard that a bunch of top pentagon brass cancelled meetings the night before and that none of them were there when it hit. (my brother got a call 10pm the night before that a meeting he had at the pentagon with sec/nav was cancelled – no reason given – then again they cancel meetings all the time for no reason ) If you look at the list of people who died, there was no one above Lt Col (O5). An O5’s job in the pentagon is basically to make coffee so I suppose not high enough on the need to know list.

Lebowski
Lebowski
  Down in the holler
January 17, 2020 1:45 am

Nonsense just like with Epstein All the cameras malfunctioned right? Yeah sure they did moron

Baba Looey
Baba Looey
  Down in the holler
January 17, 2020 11:24 am

Would a cruise middle sound like a jet? It might. Odd we have no pictures of a jet 18 years later, despite all of the cameras near the Pentagon.

Hans
Hans
  Crawfisher
January 17, 2020 4:25 am

Plenty of eyewitness at that very, busy hub.

gilberts
gilberts
  WestcoastDeplorable
January 17, 2020 12:49 am

I worked at the Pentagon with a guy who pulled the bodies and plane parts out. I don’t think he made it up.

Lebowski
Lebowski
  gilberts
January 17, 2020 1:46 am

There were NO plane parts because it was a missile

StackingStock
StackingStock
  Lebowski
January 17, 2020 8:59 am

comment image

gilberts
gilberts
  Lebowski
January 17, 2020 12:00 pm

I wasn’t there, but I trust someone who actually was there over a stranger on the internet.

StackingStock
StackingStock
  gilberts
January 17, 2020 2:41 pm

I was looking for the video of the missile hitting the pentagram and it’s on the same page but not working but the 3 frames were.

See now were not strangers anymore.

22winmag - TBP's top-secret Jew
22winmag - TBP's top-secret Jew
January 16, 2020 5:25 pm

I stopped talking about 9/11 years ago, ever since the evidence was shipped off to South Korean furnaces.

Why are you still flapping your gums?

Lebowski
Lebowski
  22winmag - TBP's top-secret Jew
January 17, 2020 1:46 am

That’s your prerogative if you choose to ignore reality

motley
motley
January 16, 2020 5:35 pm

Ridiculous article. I would imagine you know EVERYTHING the government is up to. Decades ago, the U.S. military ADMITTED its fighter jets were equipped with third generation computer technology. This was when computers were just being released to the general public …. first generation. If you care about the truth … then investigate Judy Woods … she has written a definitive book on the subject … Where did the Towers go. If you can’t be bothered to investigate this subject matter then … you are totally correct … it was two planes. Its time to throw in the towel.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  motley
January 16, 2020 8:12 pm

With you Motley.

Fred writes… “They may suggest a means of destruction that I have never heard of.”

For years Fred, been suggesting alternative means of destruction for years. You just won’t look for some reason.

StackingStock
StackingStock
  grace country pastor
January 16, 2020 9:44 pm

The truth is not pretty, that’s Fred’s problem not yours.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  StackingStock
January 17, 2020 8:42 am

Not making it my problem simply expressing my frustration regarding a personally sensitive subject. There is no excuse for willful ignorance and Fred, here, whom I generally genuinely tend to enjoy reading, is blatantly guilty of said charge.

RiNS
RiNS
January 16, 2020 5:59 pm

Pfft..

Why would one need to blow up each floor. A moar effective strategy would be to just plant bombs in basement and launch it into the air. The floating dust theory would keep things levitated long enuf for earfs rotation to do the rest.

motley
motley
  RiNS
January 16, 2020 9:09 pm

Debris. There was NO debris. There should have been 20 -30 stories of debris. Instead the debris pile was a little over 1-2 stories. Again …. what happened to the towers?

Hans
Hans
  motley
January 17, 2020 4:32 am

It was a new breed of super structure made mostly
out of air. It was designed to max out floor space and
use the now much in demand open floor plan with few
interior walls.

StackingStock
StackingStock
  RiNS
January 16, 2020 9:48 pm

Yes and make sure the vaults are opened and emptied before the event is sold to the sheep.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  RiNS
January 16, 2020 11:23 pm

The old Cotton Exchange building in Dallas was destroyed to make room for newer buildings. I was there and watched it go down in a controlled demolition. W7 and the twin towers fell into their own foot print, only a controlled demolition would do that. The Cotton Exchange also had a huge roiling cloud of dust that filled the city streets in the same manner as the Twin Towers. Imagine the miracle of finding a pristine passport from one of the hijackers in that mess.
Then, we have the ‘plane crash’ that left no debris field at all, nada, zip. No plane in the history of plane crashes has EVER left only a smoking hole. No body parts, no luggage, no plane parts, nothing.
The Pentagon was damaged in the area where the folks were looking for the missing Trillions that Rumsfeld referenced and, oddly enough, Bld. 7 was another site where papers were stored for a similar investigation. The entire 911 tale stinks as badly as the Magic Bullet that killed JFK.
Fred, as usual, is full of crap. He should stick to worshiping Mexico and Mexicans and leave intelligent thought to others.

Hans
Hans
  Mygirl...maybe
January 17, 2020 4:37 am
Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Hans
January 17, 2020 12:28 pm

Hans, did you forget the passenger plane that ‘crashed’ in Pennsylvania on 911? Perhaps you need to pull your head out of your ass before you address me.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mygirl...maybe
January 17, 2020 6:08 am

9/11 was nothing more than the deep state robbing its own joint…..

The Thing in Room 101:
The Thing in Room 101:
  Mygirl...maybe
January 17, 2020 10:04 am

O K. Let me show a little ignorance and ask a question on a slightly different tact. When they leveled the Dallas Cotton Exchange, how far did the heat radiate from the blast zone? Did it incinerate cars and fire trucks several hundred feet away? Did it leave “scorch marks” on other nearby buildings as the dust cloud passed by? I ask this because of those shown in videos on the web. I was also told about the “scorch marks” by a man I met who once lived close to the towers. I ask him why I had never heard of them before and he told me they had shown up after the dust had been washed away, I guess by rain, and were then “painted” over.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  The Thing in Room 101:
January 17, 2020 12:33 pm

Room 101:By golly you pose some very excellent questions and I can state that nothing was incinerated, melted or otherwise burned when the bldg. went down in Dallas. It was a miracle… s/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYqBhvfx218

goofyfoot
goofyfoot
  RiNS
January 17, 2020 7:43 am

Maybe the reason they chose the water falls as the memorial is because of basement bombs and they need to keep cooling the granite underneath so it stays put, like a nuclear reactors rods?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
January 16, 2020 6:04 pm

I have no firm position on 9/11. What I would like to point out is that the way most people these days “research” something is to watch YouTube videos. It’s like my buddy last year who started explaining Flat Earth theory. He started with “water doesn’t bend” and “ water finds its own level” and “water can’t stick to a spinning ball”. Then it was bibles verses and then came the YouTube videos. Things we shouldn’t be able to see but mysteriously can. Eight inches per mile squared.

I don’t know if George Bush’s nephew (or was it Dick Cheney’s uncle?) got the World Trade Center Security contract or if the NORAD Commander was having his first day on the job or whether a bunch of Israeli “art students” had full access to the buildings and had boxes of fuses. What I do know is that watching YouTube videos is not researching anything. It’s just watching YouTube videos. If some guy says he dug up the master insurance policy in the bowels of the New York Port Authority, it doesn’t mean he did. Or that he didn’t. He’s just a guy on a YouTube video.

I also know that false data (rabbit holes) can be planted on the internet and true facts can be hidden. The CIA’s “limited hangout” is a thing.

BL
BL
  Iska Waran
January 16, 2020 6:37 pm

George Bush’s brother ,Iska…. Did you have a point??

Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
  BL
January 17, 2020 9:42 am

File that comment under – Some people did something.

c1ue
c1ue
  Iska Waran
January 16, 2020 6:38 pm

Agreed, with one extra point: Youtube or even cell phone videos do not precisely preserve what actually happened. Even disregarding fakery/modification, there are a lot of mechanistic reasons why CCD video isn’t reliable.
Look up “camera latency test” to see what I mean.

Two if by sea. Three,if from within thee
Two if by sea. Three,if from within thee
  Iska Waran
January 16, 2020 7:32 pm

Bravo Bravo Bravo

StackingStock
StackingStock
  Iska Waran
January 16, 2020 10:01 pm

You might want to check for RAT lines in your own town. What is a RAT line? Evil stuff and they are everywhere, 3 to 5 am. are the prime times for operations and don’t be afraid of local LEO’S partaking in the evilness.

Yes, I agree with you on the videos, but there is info in them if you DARE to look.

Hans
Hans
  StackingStock
January 17, 2020 4:43 am

Stacking, could expand upon “RAT line” for us ignorant ones?

Baba Looey
Baba Looey
  Hans
January 17, 2020 11:35 am

Tiresome (((Hans))) wants to know about RAT lines. If ONLY there were a way to find that information today.

BL
BL
January 16, 2020 6:16 pm

This is great news Fred!!!

We the people can save a shitload of $$$$ on military hardware/bombs/technology going forward and bring home 90% of the troops. All in the world we need to do is fly planes into the skyscrapers located in enemy cities and the buildings will fall one after another killing huge amounts of population in the process.

Ground warfare is outdated and aviation fuel that will level 110 story buildings with a quickness is in. Rifles OUT, tanks OUT, missiles OUT….just good ole fashioned aviation fuel and planes that fly into steel and concrete like it was squishy Jello. (cough)

Fred, you’re a fukkin genius!

(M G) Dullard Bait
(M G) Dullard Bait
  BL
January 16, 2020 6:23 pm

I meant it.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  BL
January 16, 2020 10:05 pm

So I can put you down as leaning towards skeptical then…

Nobody
Nobody
January 16, 2020 6:31 pm

Two words, Barry McDaniel.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
January 16, 2020 6:32 pm

The support columns were in the core of the buildings, where the elevator shafts were located. What Fred is referring to is the ‘skin’ of the building, which didn’t provide the main support function. Blowing out the skin wouldn’t cause structural failure, but only cosmetic damage.

c1ue
c1ue
January 16, 2020 6:34 pm

Cheers for trying. The responses have been exactly as you (and I) would expect.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 16, 2020 6:46 pm

It was all planed , funded and enabled by Bin Laden while surviving on dialysis and huddling in caves during the day and riding a donkey at night from one cave to another along a mountainous border between Afghanistan & Pakistan . Yes and 16 or 17 were Saudi nationals living and being supported among us because they want to be our friends etc …
I believe who what where why and how overall will remain a mystery full of guess work and speculation ! One thing I am certain about is my government and individuals within it allowed it to happen . What was done and has been done since in the Middle East and North African countries is all centered around the 9/11 excuse bull shit machine from the circle jerk of Wall Street to K-Street to Capitol Street and “THEY” are making a bundle from it $$$ . Meanwhile average Americans spiral in a debt loaded economic structure designed to hand the circle jerk profits & average Americans the debt load created from thin air now choking every man woman and child except for a small percentage of the well funded and well connected ! Now step aside we got another bullshit war to start and young Americans to bury …. Job Well Done Washington shit bags !
Keep it up but remember send your kids so we can view you at Dover AFB as the bodies are flown back home !

BL
BL
  Anonymous
January 16, 2020 6:57 pm

Anon- Well said and just a reminder that we (the USA!USA!USA!) are lucky enough to have 30% MORE national debt as of today than when Trump was sworn in three years ago SO, another war for the banksters could maybe drive that increase another 20% higher. You’re right that the WAR MACHINE is all we need to know about 9/11.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  BL
January 16, 2020 7:16 pm

30% more debt than in 2016? Your maff seems a bit fuzzy, is that common core?
It was over 20 trillion in 16 now its 23, oh I get it, carry the 3 and add 0, 30%, I like common core.
Bush doubled it, Obama doubled it, Trump would need to hit 40+ trillion.
Do you think that is going to happen?

BL
BL
  ottomatik
January 16, 2020 7:54 pm

Otto- Maff is hard…. End of December 2016 the debt was 19.57 T, since Trump was sworn in it was up to 23T THEN, last month the FED had a new (hush-hush QE/infusion into the markets) WHICH brought the additional debt up to 5.87T . Is the 5.87T not 30% of 19.57T??

ottomatik
ottomatik
  BL
January 16, 2020 8:54 pm

Are you referring to Fed open market repo’s? If so, that is not government debt.
QE in general is directed at private markets and yes acquires treasuries at times.
https://usdebtclock.org/
Debt clock shows 23.188 trillion, Obama left behind 20, 3.188 divided by 20 is 15.94, 16%.
You pulled out some secret sauce numbers to take a shot at Trump, if we want to talk secret sauce, its unlimited.
21 trillion here, 6 trillion there, 5.87 trillion recently,it becomes pointless, but you made a point, and had to use your fancy common core to do it.

BL
BL
  ottomatik
January 16, 2020 9:21 pm

I can assure you my figures are right Otto, nice tap dance though.

Hans
Hans
  BL
January 17, 2020 4:52 am

BL, I am enrolling you for this summer Head Start.
Please, bring your own paper and pencil. And plenty
of erasers.

not me
not me
  Hans
January 17, 2020 8:32 am

Let go of the bait before we have to throw you back.

Just because the post is dullard bait doesn’t mean we will keep all the dullards it attracts.

not me
not me
  BL
January 17, 2020 8:31 am

See? Dullard Bait.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  BL
January 17, 2020 11:11 am

What? You know the real numbers? You and your team of Globalist economists have it all figured, down to the cent.
Do share, sharing is careing.
Thanks for playing, always a good time!

Lebowski
Lebowski
  ottomatik
January 17, 2020 1:49 am

Yup, no doubt

Hans
Hans
  BL
January 17, 2020 4:49 am

BL “are lucky enough to have 30% MORE national debt as of today than when Trump was sworn in three years ago SO”

You must “work” at the GAO.

BL
BL
  Hans
January 17, 2020 11:55 am

Hans- Truff is truff and maff is maff. Don’t blame me .

Sckinhunter
Sckinhunter
January 16, 2020 6:48 pm

The steel beams did not melt. The supports that held them in place did (thinner metal) which led to collapse of one or more floors rupturing the integrity of the whole building. Still find the way it collapsed like a pancake somewhat incredible instead of it at least toppling to one side or the other.

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles
  Sckinhunter
January 16, 2020 7:41 pm

So where are the steel beams? There were some… but it didn’t really look like there was a lot left in the aftermath. Did as much steel get carted away as was employed in the construction?

motley
motley
  Chubby Bubbles
January 16, 2020 9:12 pm

toilets … what happened to all the toilets. almost as if all porcelain … vaporized !

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Chubby Bubbles
January 17, 2020 12:39 pm

And….since when do sheared steel beams look like this?comment image

no name
no name
  Sckinhunter
January 16, 2020 11:21 pm

Actually the “steel beams” were wide span web trusses which allowed for open floor plans. Their connections to the central core and exterior columns are suspect, according to a friend who actually worked on the construction. However, Building 7 had a conventional fireproof steel column and beam structural system and it collapsed in its footprint from “office fires”. Impossible.

Lebowski
Lebowski
  Sckinhunter
January 17, 2020 1:51 am

It was a crime scene and yet the evidence was quickly removed and shipped away Suspicious in itself wouldn’t you say

Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
January 16, 2020 6:52 pm

In a variation to the at least he’s not Hillary meme, at least Trump is not Jeb. There was no justifiable reason to reward the Bush clan with another shot at the WH after the 9/11 choke. If they weren’t in on it, they certainly proved to be a colossal pair of bumbling idiots. What president allows an attack on US soil and gets fucking re-elected? Who? The bastard said if we were to be fooled twice, it would be our fault. Well, America took that advice to heart, Georgie, no more Bushes in the WH – pleeze.

M G
M G
  Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
January 16, 2020 6:57 pm

Speaking of by the numbers?

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  M G
January 17, 2020 7:54 am

This has been kicking around for a long time, but I don’t understand the significance. Whoever created it loaded it up with satanic and 9/11 imagery, why try to analyze what was deliberately created for exactly that purpose? Why not just ask the film maker why he made something jammed packed with occult symbolism?

M G
M G
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 17, 2020 8:57 am

I agree, to a certain degree… however, I believe the imagery and symbolism in this video speaks to a LOT of people. Because the symbolism was planted by someone for subliminal messaging, either to an unaware audience OR to a group looking for clues. I’m not encouraging anyone down the Pet Goat rabbit hole; I’m sure my baby goats made delicious burria.

However, I came upon a reference to the weird images offered during the end. I freeze-framed the scene I’m talking about…

comment image

Anyway, I kind of liked the analysis vids I found because they pointed out the symbolism which occurs in the video.

Now, you are logically assuming that now that it has been pointed out to me, I will now see sinister meaning every time I see certain shapes or numbers. Well, you and I won’t… but a Generation eXtra sensitive to quick flashes of images as “clues” planted in video games and in online chat rooms?

The Pet Goat video sort of gathers all that imagery into one place to think about. And in the context of having a discussion about the sort of fantastical productions Gen X was able to produce without leaving their parents’ basements, it plays a role in turning our boys into girls and making our girls decide to be men.

It helps my purpose and, according to Ayn Rand? That is all that matters.

M G
M G
  Step into my parlor, Paulita (EC)
January 16, 2020 7:11 pm

Dear Honored Road Guard…I have a question for your nurse.

Has she ever seen this in the Q Anon library? iI mM qQ

comment image

M G
M G
  M G
January 16, 2020 8:15 pm

I hope this doesn’t implicate OPRAH!

motley
motley
  M G
January 16, 2020 9:13 pm

satanists ascribe to engage in much of their behavior …. BACKWARDS. As in walking backwards … SPEAKING backwards. Oprah’s production company .. so what do you suppose her company’s is called?

Friend of Paulita
Friend of Paulita
  motley
January 17, 2020 7:52 am

Harpo was a character in The Color Purple. Was he the slightly odd husband of the Oprah character?

Apple
Apple
January 16, 2020 6:53 pm

I have seen the ground zero photos of columns cut at a roughly 45 degree angle, long before workers were doing their thing. I dont know how any of that was handled in the 1993 bombing either, and that did a bunch of damage. So while we are weaving believable tales, tell me one that explains how building seven collapsed. And make it possible. While you are at it, do towers one and two also because the official story doesnt work either, which is why there are truthers.

mike
mike
January 16, 2020 7:10 pm

Good article.
It’s like when I ask the “moon landings were fake” folks to explain to me where exactly it changed from real to fake:
– did we have rocket starts with real humans in them?
– orbiting the earth with real humans?
– EVA [extra-vehicular activity], i.e. leaving the capsule in space suits with real… (while in orbit)?
– flying to and around the moon?
– landing on the moon?
– walking on the moon?

Long Time Lurker
Long Time Lurker
  mike
January 16, 2020 7:38 pm

Going unscathed thru the van allen radiation belt..

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles
  mike
January 16, 2020 7:46 pm

As in the 9/11 issue above, it’s not up to the skeptic to come up with his own airtight case. All it takes is impugning one aspect for the mainstream narrative to be called into question.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Chubby Bubbles
January 16, 2020 9:20 pm

The skeptic’s argument doesn’t have to be airtight, but it has to be reasonably comprehensive and logical. Given that we live in a civilization on a planet where 1/2 of the people now carry hand-held computers with GPS, Mike’s questions make sense. I can watch globe-encircling reconnaissance satellites with my bare eyes in the night sky as they pass overhead from south to north every 1/2 hour or so. Those being an outgrowth of the moon shots seems reasonable. That doesn’t preclude the possibility that NASA could have faked footage.

Hans
Hans
  Iska Waran
January 17, 2020 4:59 am

“That doesn’t preclude the possibility that NASA could have faked footage.”

Yes dat could be true as NASA is now faking global warming.

StackingStock
StackingStock
  Iska Waran
January 17, 2020 9:10 am
motley
motley
  mike
January 16, 2020 9:15 pm

do some homework yourself. Not trying to be smart. But when you invest your time and effort into learning something .. you are more inclined to believe what YOU uncover. Funny how the mind works.

jgb
jgb
January 16, 2020 7:17 pm

What’s the point of trying use reason and debate in an attempt influence perception? Perception is much more complicated than assembling facts, applying logic, weighing contra evidence to a theory, presenting your ideas, and engaging in adult discussion. NO, THAT NEVER WORKS!
To have a meaningful impact on perception one must intercept and alter the subliminal ideas that are transmitted via ultra-low-radio-waves (that are phased locked to select individual brainwaves) from regional CIA outposts, which can be found by digging a deep hole in your backyard until you reach the alien underground railway system. The key to hitching a ride is to spread your fingers apart into a V and utter the words, “Live long and prosper.” Aliens love that!

subwo
subwo
January 16, 2020 7:54 pm

I just finished this and it is the most comprehensive book on the subject I have read. The only thing it does not answer is if non commercial jets were used (I don’t think so, no evidence of jet debris) then holograms are postulated from other people in the past. What happened to the original jets and passengers and crew? I saw in past that a plane spotter (tail number tracker) has reported that he spotted a jet land in Cleveland, IIR.

Hans
Hans
  subwo
January 17, 2020 5:01 am

Ignorance is infinite.

RiNS
RiNS
  Hans
January 17, 2020 6:01 am

Not if you have a P-1000 camera

M G
M G
  RiNS
January 17, 2020 6:11 am

Or a brother named Franz

youknowwhoIam
youknowwhoIam
January 16, 2020 8:56 pm

I work as a mechanical engineer at a shipyard. We have a lot of LARGE steel beams around (for lifting large portions of ships). Velocity is relative. I can tell you that hurling a large steel beam at an airliner wing at 300+ miles per hour is going to result in the beam wiping through the wing like the wing was butter, except the wing would shred like paper… the beam might get a few scratches. The wings are just an aluminum sheet metal shell with some internal structural components. Yet, look at the impact site. MULTIPLE large steel beam sections were vaporized… completely gone. Total BULLSHIT. The wings of those militarized airliners were loaded from tip to tip with high explosives. Don’t tell me the heat from the explosion at impact vaporized the beams. More BULLSHIT. The physical impact was LONG over before any fuel fireball ever started. The heat from any fuel explosion would at most have burned the paint off the beams. There would have been no time for heat transfer to take place for the heat from the fuel explosion to do any damage to the steel beams. 4 seconds of a 1500F fireball will do absolutely nothing to a large steel beam. NOTHING.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  youknowwhoIam
January 16, 2020 9:27 pm

Well not Nothing, but nothing.

no name
no name
  youknowwhoIam
January 16, 2020 11:34 pm

Beams are horizontal floor supports. Columns are vertical. Floors in the twin towers sat on wide span open web trusses. The towers were designed to take a hit from the largest commercial airliners then in service. The central core of steel columns and external columns held the floors in place. New York has the strictest fire codes around. Building 7 is the answer. A conventional fireproof steel structure, the first in the world to collapse from “office fires”. No way.

Hans
Hans
  no name
January 17, 2020 5:22 am
no name
no name
  Hans
January 17, 2020 7:22 pm

If you are depending on “Popular Mechanics” you are the one in need of information. Go to Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth and try to digest the material there. Going to Pop Mechanics is like going to a faith healer when you break your leg.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Hans
January 17, 2020 9:00 pm

I quit my membership in the skeptics society also when (((Mike Shermer))) the president of the society published articles that were in line with the government’s pancake theory.

Hans
Hans
  youknowwhoIam
January 17, 2020 5:18 am
youknowwhoIam
youknowwhoIam
  Hans
January 17, 2020 9:44 am

That has nothing to do with the scenario I discussed. Oh.. also, if wings can take out massive steel columns, why was there absolutely no damage on the Pentagon walls where the wings would have hit- not even broken windows. I suppose you actually think an airliner hit the Pentagon too?

RiNS
RiNS
  youknowwhoIam
January 17, 2020 6:06 am

Confusing Columns with beams?

You musta did your Engineering at same University as Fedex Beebs got his Theology degree…

M G
M G
  RiNS
January 17, 2020 6:13 am

There is nothing wrong with being a Traveling Theologian.

RiNS
RiNS
  M G
January 17, 2020 7:42 am

Travelling is wasted effort when your best suited to be a court jester.

Friend of Paulita
Friend of Paulita
  RiNS
January 17, 2020 8:00 am

My favorite Bard/Scribe in all of Medieval Times!

M G
M G
  Friend of Paulita
January 17, 2020 12:07 pm
no name
no name
  M G
January 17, 2020 7:30 pm

Confusing columns and beams is a real indication that someone is out of their element and should perhaps stick to what they know.

youknowwhoIam
youknowwhoIam
  RiNS
January 17, 2020 9:40 am

My apologies… I inadvertently carried my initial train of thought throughout the discussion. The principle still applies.

RiNS
RiNS
  youknowwhoIam
January 17, 2020 10:08 am

too late..

youknowwhoIam
youknowwhoIam
  RiNS
January 17, 2020 10:48 am

lol okay, RiNS. You win. I’ll eat crow. It’s my opinion and I could be wrong.

RiNS
RiNS
  youknowwhoIam
January 17, 2020 11:41 am

Thanks for being a good sport. Anyways to be honest I have evolved over the years when it comes to all this. While I don’t believe that the building was brought down by nanothemite I do think there was some collusion, from the bowels of the Deep State that worked behind the scenes to make it all take place. It wasn’t controlled demolition, rather the building was just poorly designed in first place. Folks “in the know” probably knew that.

I do find it interesting the Fred spunked several hundred words before he even mentioned Building 7 and when he did it was in passing.

Dismissed with a paper shredder.

Not a very compelling close to bit IMO…

youknowwhoIam
youknowwhoIam
  RiNS
January 17, 2020 11:55 am

You’re welcome, and likewise. I think the Pentagon hit is even more telling than WTC 7.

RiNS
RiNS
  youknowwhoIam
January 17, 2020 12:06 pm

The incongruity of my views stems from fact that false flags are just about the only thing that governments do right. That and the plane strike at Pentagon made even less sense than Building 7…

StackingStock
StackingStock
  RiNS
January 17, 2020 10:16 pm

It wasn’t controlled demolition, rather the building was just poorly designed in first place.

Weak as fudge!

motley
motley
January 16, 2020 9:19 pm

Airplanes … bombs … nuclear devices. None of these items adequately explains the lack of any debris pile for either building. Explain that. Please

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
January 16, 2020 10:29 pm

Anyone who watches the 6 second collapse of WTC 7 and still believes the official narrative cannot be reasoned with, so don’t bother.

Sometimes evil triumphs. To make a mockery of it is even worse. This article is proof of that fact.

(EC)
(EC)
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 16, 2020 11:18 pm

It’s just people dealing with their disbelief. The Jews mocked Jesus before they fought him. Then he won.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  (EC)
January 16, 2020 11:53 pm

They still fight him. And he still wins.

RiNS
RiNS
  ILuvCO2
January 17, 2020 7:43 am

he still wins….

You musta skipped the last few AIPAC conventions

BL
BL
  RiNS
January 17, 2020 11:36 am

🙂

RiNS
RiNS
  BL
January 17, 2020 12:07 pm

Come on Bea.. you’re supposed to hate me today!
Everything wuz working fine, then you go and fuck it up!

Still wanna map though..

Best,

RiNS

BL
BL
  RiNS
January 17, 2020 12:31 pm

RiNS- Sorry, your 7:43am was too funny to pass up. And so true to boot.

no name
no name
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 16, 2020 11:36 pm

Building 7 is the dog that did not bark.

not me
not me
  no name
January 17, 2020 8:26 am

It barks. People ignore it.

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Public Intelligence Blog
Public Intelligence Blog
  no name
January 18, 2020 9:17 am

Francois Roby

What is basic physics worth?: Orders of magnitude, energy, and overconfidence in technical refinements

ABSTRACT: Physics is often perceived as a science of complex and precise calculations, making possible any sorts of technical “miracles” in the midst of which we live. However, the basis of the discipline does not lie in these refinements, but in a small number of laws that should be rigorously applied; it also lies in the physicists’ ability to perform justified approximations. A striking and well documented feature of 9/11 attacks in New York City is persisting fires and high temperatures in the World Trade Center ruins. . . . Only the opportunistic use of a built-in nuclear demolition feature, designed at the same time as the World Trade Center itself, is a technically viable explanation.

Francois Roby: 9/11 Nuclear Demolition

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
January 16, 2020 10:58 pm
William
William
January 16, 2020 11:15 pm

You forget that most of the towers were unoccupied and had never been improved beyond the original construction. And….. what happened to bldg 7? It fell without being hit by a plane.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  William
January 17, 2020 12:41 am

Interesting trivia: the day after 9/11 I went to morning mass. In the Catholic Church the readings are set a year or more in advance (and online so you can see what it’ll be next month, etc.). The gospel reading for 9/12/01 was Luke 13:4-5: “ … or those eighteen people who were killed when the tower at Siloam fell on them – do you think they were more guilty than everyone else who lived in Jerusalem? By no means! But I tell you, if you do not repent, you will all perish as they did.”
A call to repentance brought forward to the present day.

gilberts
gilberts
January 17, 2020 12:26 am

I was not there. I’ve been in the WTC, back in 1986 ahead of OPSAIL.
I don’t know what happened on 9/11. I’ve heard the official version and lots of theories and assumptions.
The entire story is full of strange coincidences and things that don’t seem to add up. The conspiracy theories make at least as much sense as the official narrative. I don’t think we will ever find out what really happened and I don’t believe anyone, aside from the actual attackers (who are all dead), has the 100% true version of events.

Here’s what I actually know.
First thing.
I was stationed with an NCO I liked to talk to. They were pretty smart. I joined up after 9/11, while they had already been in a while. We were talking one day and they told me how they had been attached to NSA before the attack. They stated there was no way the official version was true. I asked why. They told me there was absolutely no way anyone could plan an attack that big and the NSA not know about it.

Second thing.
For the people who claim there was no airliner at the Pentagon, I worked with a guy at the Pentagon for a few years. He was former Security Forces assigned to the Pentagon and a very solid, reliable kind of guy. A quiet professional. He was on his day off and reported in as soon as he heard about the attacks. He carried out the bodies and the wreckage. I wasn’t there, but I believe his account and he has no illusions that what he carried out of the building wasn’t aircraft parts and dead people parts.

Third thing.
Another guy I used to know, retired career NCO, was working at the Pentagon the day the plane hit. He was in the basement below the crash when he heard lots of noise overhead and started to smell fuel. Then, water started raining through the ceiling and he had to cover the computers. The area above him was where the PenRen, or Pentagon Renovation, had been going on for months, so it wasn’t unusual to hear loud rumblings from overhead and smell exhaust. When they realized what had happened, he was ordered to go up to Site R to prepare for the inevitable evacuation of the govt, in case more attacks were on the way. He said it was a huge disappointment, because nobody showed up. He sat up there twiddling his thumbs. The politicians all stayed in town to do interviews and grandstand. And that, he told me, is how he knows the COG plans won’t work in time of emergency and the govt will be wiped out if anything serious ever happens.

It’s all hearsay and RUMINT. You can choose to believe me, or deny it and claim I don’t know what I’m talking about. I’m just another random dude on the internet and all I know is what I heard from three people I trusted while we were bullshitting.

Hans
Hans
  gilberts
January 17, 2020 5:43 am

gilberts, what you describe and others would require hundreds of conspirators and by now someone would have “drop dime” on the plotters.

Funny how the truth squad never mentions the visceral hatred that many Muslames have for America.

“Death to America.”

StackingStock
StackingStock
  Hans
January 17, 2020 10:23 pm

They hate us for are freedumbs!!!

M G
M G
  gilberts
January 17, 2020 6:17 am

gilberts… like you, I have a few people who tell me the bits and pieces they saw or that thy are privvy to. It don’t add up.

Hans and Franz have come to pump you up though.

gilberts
gilberts
  M G
January 17, 2020 11:47 am

I like you, too. You seem very real to me from what I’ve read over the years.

Hans can believe what he wants. 9/11 is essentially a religion at this point with as many interpretations and hard-held beliefs, opinions, and assumptions as their are people to examine it.

John Galt
John Galt
January 17, 2020 5:43 am

Some facts you left out Freddy….

1) For 8 months prior to the tower fall, there had been ongoing nightly construction, on every floor
2) ever hear of a floor and ceiling? Any thermite would have been placed in the joints on the floor/ceiling space not at waist level behind the plaster in front of the secretary desk
3) clear video shows thermite sparks numerous times from numerous locations nowhere near the plane impact zone
4) systemic rhythmic collapse is not natural but video proves this happened
5) detonated puffs of smoke conveniently happens exactly the same sequence before every (did i mention every) floor collapse
6) not every metal beam needs a thermite charge, every major demolition firm in America has stated the towers were pulled
7) I assume you still believe:
a) Pearl harbor was a complete surprise attack
b) Epstein killed himself

M G
M G
  John Galt
January 17, 2020 6:18 am

Hans and franz will be along to pump you up!

Friend of Paulita
Friend of Paulita
January 17, 2020 7:13 am

I am not sure exactly how one becomes a PhD in Araby/Islamology, but I trust Dr. Barrett with all of MY ArabyIslamology issues.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  Friend of Paulita
January 17, 2020 11:21 am

M102? M95 is my preference.

RiNS
RiNS
January 17, 2020 7:22 am

This is what happened..
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The Freemason’s were salty cuz the builders of WTC used steel for their columns and beams instead of stone.

Aodh Macraynall
Aodh Macraynall
January 17, 2020 9:00 am

Well, the narrative is everything you know. Go ahead and believe this old drunk and you too can be a happy boomer!

TC
TC
January 17, 2020 9:05 am

Fred fails to talk about Building 7 or Lucky Larry’s incredible story or Dick Cheney giving the stand down orders that allowed the Pentagon to be hit, or the Norad terrorist attack simulations which just happened to be going on that morning effectively preventing response aircraft from being scrambled. There’s lots more missing here. So is Fred being intentionally disingenuous or is he sincerely writing on a topic he clearly knows almost nothing about?

ottomatik
ottomatik
  TC
January 17, 2020 11:22 am

He lives in a different world.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Administrator
January 17, 2020 10:34 am

smart ass

ottomatik
ottomatik
  Administrator
January 17, 2020 11:25 am

The tenor of these engagements has evolved.
Truthers dominate the marketplace now.
Thanks for stirring the pot.

BL
BL
  Administrator
January 17, 2020 11:39 am

Admin- That’s what that coon’s brother said before Stucky beat the tar out of him. Where are your comments?

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Administrator
January 17, 2020 12:40 pm

And a stellar job. You were right about shitstorm.

Reluctant Warrior
Reluctant Warrior
January 17, 2020 9:40 am

Rising above the issue of a controlled demolition it is clear that the official narrative of what happened that day has more holes in it than Swiss Cheese. There is absolutely no doubt however that building 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition. I have talked to many experts in demolition who have no government or special interest connection and they all feel that the twin towers were certainly brought down by a controlled demolition. One can actually see the tell tale puffs of smoke emanating from each floor. It should be noted that many of the first responders heard the explosions and equated them with the sounds a building would make that was being intentionally pulled. It might be also noted that seismographs in NJ showed a clear signature of controlled explosions versus an airliner crash. The holes in the 9-11 story are hard to refute but I would need a hundred pages to detail them here. Let’s listen to journalist Pepe Escobar who knows more than anyone about Middle Eastern politics:

https://www.unz.com/pescobar/fifty-questions-on-9-11/

Jaz
Jaz
January 17, 2020 10:36 am

Either Fred is a bored provocateur or another tyranny enabling, mental gymnast. Seriously, one only has to be logical about this.
1. Did the Government have anything to gain by either allowing the attack or creating it?
2. Should we ever believe the official Government narrative?
3. Physics- Why would all three buildings collapse symmetrically in a non-controlled situation? Explosives professionally placed at the based of the beams would create a controlled, symmetrical collapse.

People like Fred just can’t seem to (don’t want to) believe that our Governments are evil tyrants.

RiNS
RiNS
  Jaz
January 17, 2020 12:02 pm

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BL
BL
  RiNS
January 17, 2020 12:21 pm

RiNS- You damn straight THAT is the answer! Welcome to the entertainment planet/plane (which ever you choose). Earf, flat or round ……who cares. Buildings just fall down at free fall speed……that’s normal. All three pictures are actors…….catching on yet RiNS?

RiNS
RiNS
  BL
January 17, 2020 12:28 pm

You actually believe we live in a simulation…

Fuckmedead and call me Jesus!

I mean anything is possible in a world with no purview…

Your Lord and Master,

Jesus, oops I meant to say, RiNS!

StackingStock
StackingStock
  Jaz
January 17, 2020 10:26 pm

Or they flipped him?

Erasmus le Dolt
Erasmus le Dolt
January 17, 2020 12:20 pm

Your doing a ‘time and motion’ study to debunk 9/11? Look, jet fuel could not melt that steel…end of argument.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 17, 2020 12:37 pm

Though I know it to be pointless, I will make an attempt at a reasonable, Rogerian examination stating what is known and what I can speculate and what I believe to be complete bullshit. The idea being to examine all the data points, weight them according to my estimation of their veracity, while ignoring none of them completely. In other words a genuine critical examination.

Known:
1) Planes hit the twin towers. Any story that has hologram planes or any other such thing is nonsense. Period. Too many cameras, too many eye-witnesses to even begin to controvert. Unless many thousands of random citizens of New York were in on the conspiracy and were all amazing actors and able to act completely surprised while being recorded randomly by their random friends or acquaintances.
2) The towers fell down. Watching that day, with a bunch of fellow engineers and scientists, I did not expect them to, but they did. It was surprising and unlikely, to be sure. I did note upon watching the videos of the collapse, that both building collapse began at the point of entry of each plane…that was the initial point of failure and a radically different point on each tower. Also, the tower hit more directly collapsed first, despite being struck much later. These are all important dat points that are always ignored by truthers.
3) Building 7 collapse later with little fan fair and no reasonable explanation ever made.
4) The NIST investigation was half-assed at best and explained nothing to any degree of satisfaction.

Areas of Speculation:
There are a lot of weird items associated with falling of the towers.
1. No steel structures similar to the twin towers, or Building 7 for that matter, have ever collapsed from fire. Very, very odd and extremely improbable that the first three incidents of such would be one the same day at the same location. Important data point ignored by NIST.
2. What appears to be molten steel shooting out the sides of one tower? No idea how this is possible even with a whole bunch of thermite. Important data point ignored by NIST.
3. Dancing Jews, un-singed passport, news report of collapse before the event. I can easily write all of this off at the confusion of the day, odd happenstance and just added weirdness of the day. I do think that strange events tend to aggregate a certain times and places…just don’t ask me about the mechanics of such.

Bullshit:
1. Every story of controlled demolition I have heard does not work. Sorry. It is not about the lack of malice on the part of governments or intelligence agencies or a lack of admittedly unlikely events. It is simply about the logistics. In order to cause a controlled demolition collapse that begins on two different buildings at two different vertical locations, would need not just a lot of thermite charges being placed, but an extremely sophisticated control system that could set off specific charges at specific times. The development of which would take dozens, if not hundreds of man-years and would require massive amounts of testing. It would also require a team of engineers within sight of the towers making last minute adjustment to the charge detonation timing. All of this would have to be done with YEARS if not DECADES of advanced knowledge and in complete secret? More nonsense.

I do not know exactly what happened that day. Like most things it is too complex to even begin to understand all its components in any real way. This just underlines my idea that the Truth is not a thing, not an artifact to uncover, but rather the tools used during the dig….from the backhoe and jackhammer down to the finest brush. Critical examination and weighting of all data points and multi-leveled, nuanced analysis.

And still be willing to accept the inevitable…that everything will always remain shrouded in mystery.

DRUD
DRUD
  Anonymous
January 17, 2020 2:16 pm

That was I

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
January 17, 2020 12:45 pm

I don’t get involved in 9-11 discussions. Mainly because I don’t know the first thing about engineering. Doesn’t mean I’m not interested. Quite the contrary. I find them very interesting.

Thanks, Yo for reminding me about that Flight Attendant that wrote a book about what she learned. I had saved an interview with her (which I posted as a reply) for quite some time. It’s very interesting. And there is a follow up interview that was done last September that I didn’t know about.

Gryffyn
Gryffyn
January 17, 2020 8:15 pm

All these years later I am still disappointed by the misguided opinions regarding the most unbelievable event in my lifetime, and I was born before the US entered WW ll. I have a 5 year degree in architecture from an engineering college and several years working in the profession. I moved on to other endeavors but I do remember the basics. I don’t see any architects openly commenting on this site, just lots of citizens without credentials but opinions, some misguided and some quite accurate. “Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth” is a good place to go if you want some truth and not bullshit.
Something I have discovered is that most people are unwilling and/or unable to accept facets of reality which do not agree with their preconceived/learned beliefs. 911 totally altered the world we knew and is responsible for so much of the chaos we are now seeing. But, hey, I am just a fool on the hill.

M G
M G
  Gryffyn
January 17, 2020 8:22 pm

Good to see you here. I agree…there is a lot of evidence but cognitive dissonance is real too.

Gryffyn
Gryffyn
  M G
January 17, 2020 8:52 pm

Thanks Maggie,
You nailed it with “cognitive dissonance”. We live in unsettled times and have to be thoughtful of what we say and who we say it to. Truth will out and life is good. We just have to keep on keepin’ on.

subwo
subwo
  Gryffyn
January 17, 2020 9:18 pm

Actually, Paul McCartney, the one that died is the fool on the hill. The book describes the contempt that the Beatles had for the fans after the hundreds of clues they put in their album covers and songs post 1966 did not shake them from their belief that the original had NOT been replaced.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  subwo
January 17, 2020 10:37 pm

The Beatles and sixties hippies make me wretch.

M G
M G
  ILuvCO2
January 18, 2020 9:23 am

Which were worse… Rolling Stones or Beatles? Which influenced US rock culture more?

How about Elvis Presley? He doesn’t quite fit with either, does he?

RiNS
RiNS
January 18, 2020 9:07 am

300 hundred!

StackingStock
StackingStock
  RiNS
January 18, 2020 9:26 am

306

BL
BL
  StackingStock
January 18, 2020 11:18 am

400! I win!!!