This Is How China Is Hiding The True Number Of Coronavirus Deaths

Via ZeroHedge

As the world’s cortisol and stomach acid levels rise every hour in parallel with the number of officially reported Coronavirus infections (and deaths), which as of Saturday morning was roughly 1,400…

Source: Johns Hopkins GIS and Data.

… the world has an unpleasant flashback to 2003 when for weeks Beijing would lie and hide the full extent of the SARS epidemic to avoid risking a social panic. To be sure, this time China has done its best to pretend it has learned from the past and it is so transparent, even President Xi Jinping warned that the country is facing a “grave situation”, and that the spread of the deadly virus is accelerating  after holding a special government meeting on the Lunar New Year public holiday.

After staying largely silent in public about the outbreak since it first emerged in central China last month, Xi on Saturday convened a special meeting of the seven-member Politburo Standing Committee, calling for a more centralized response to the epidemic and asserting personal responsibility in addressing the crisis.

“When an epidemic breaks out, a command is issued. It is our responsibility to prevent and control it,” Xi said, according to the state-run Xinhua News Agency. He called for the new high-level committee to “address concerns within and outside the country,” indirectly referencing mounting global concern about the epidemic, which Mr. Xi described as a “grave situation” that was accelerating. “We definitely can win the battle to contain the epidemic,” he vowed.

That remains to be seen: as reported earlier, in China – which has put over 56 million people on lockdown quarantine – the coronavirus has killed at least 41 people and infected over 1,400 in China. Ominously, a UK researcher predicted that the Coronavirus would infect over 250,000 people in China in under two weeks, which has sparked a renewed fear that China will once again try to underrepresent the true severity of the diseases until it is too late.

A patient at the Zhongnan Hospital of China’s Wuhan University

The problem is that even as China theatrically pretends to be so forthright about the extent of the epidemic – if only to avoid panic and chaos over allegations it is again hiding the full impact of the disease – it is doing precisely that, and now we know just how it is doing that: instead of putting down coronavirus as the cause of death for an unknown number of Wuhan casualties, China’s coroners and hospitals merely ascribe death to “viral pneumonia”, case closed.

Here’s how the WSJ describes this treacherous “bait and switch”:

A 53-year-old fitness trainer died on Wednesday after checking into a hospital in Wuhan a little more than a week earlier, said his niece. His family had expected the death certificate to reflect the deadly coronavirus, because as his condition deteriorated, his doctors told his family he was suffering from an untreatable virus in his lungs.

Instead, it recorded “severe pneumonia” as the cause of death, she said. The relatives of two other people who died in separate hospitals in Wuhan this week also described similar situations, saying the causes of death had been given as “viral pneumonia.”

Why did the hospital do this? Because as the relatives of all three now dead people said, the deceased hadn’t been included in China’s official count of 41 deaths attributed to coronavirus.

And that’s how China is suppressing the full extent of nCoV’s lethality, and keeping the mortality rate of the coronavirus artificially low: “There are likely to be many times more cases in Wuhan than officially confirmed,” said Neil Ferguson, a disease modeler at Imperial College London, who echoed the forecast of Jonathan Read, and estimated as many as 4,000 people may have been infected in Wuhan. “Clearly, the hospitals are overwhelmed.”

What’s worse is that if there are indeed 4,000 injected already, then the previously discussed catastrophic forecast of 250,000 cases by Feb 4 may be overly optimistic by half.

The official numbers are far lower of course: on Saturday morning, local time, the number of confirmed global infections had risen to at least 1,438, nearly doubling from the previous day. Comically, China has said it would hold officials accountable for any delays or omissions in reporting cases: so far such threats appear to have had precisely zero impact on anyone.

Others have confirmed as much: as the WSJ reports, “some Chinese media with reporters on the ground in Wuhan have said they have found cases that weren’t included in the official reporting. Caixin, a business journal, reported in early January that a doctor in Wuhan had been infected, 11 days before officials confirmed that medical staff had been infected. The Beijing News, a newspaper, reported this week that many patients weren’t officially labeled as carrying the new virus, even though their doctors and nurses said they were.”

Medical staff work to sterilize a hospital in Wuhan, China, on Jan. 24

That said, there may be a legitimate reason why the real number is being underreported, and it has to do with the flood of actual cases which is just too much for local doctors to keep up: China state-run TV cited doctors in Wuhan who said the number of patients with fever was too many to be treated and patients hospitalized couldn’t get the pathogenic test in time, because the samples needed to be sent to the provincial offices of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

That will soon change: China’s health ministry updated its protocol for identifying infections on Thursday with a simplified process for registering cases as suspected or confirmed. An earlier version, viewed by the Journal, required several steps of testing before a patient could be called a suspected case.

Yet despite these mitigating circumstances, it appears that the underlying incentive is to underreport the true extent of the epidemic for as long as possible.

One woman, a 63-year-old retiree in Wuhan, died on Tuesday, her nephew told the WSJ. The death certificate, viewed by the Journal, shows the cause of death as “pneumonia obtained from the community.” Doctors at the hospital that treated her told the family she had the new coronavirus, the nephew said, but she wasn’t counted as a case. The instance has also been reported by the Beijing News.

In another case, a 72-year-old former doctor was in the hospital for three days before he died on Tuesday, his nephew said. The doctors told the family he had caught viral pneumonia, he said. The niece said her uncle, the fitness trainer, first noticed symptoms of what he thought was a common cold in early January, which he believed he had caught at a banquet. He didn’t pay much attention initially, but a few days later, he decided to go to the hospital after seeing blood when he coughed. His niece said he had never been to the food market believed to be the epicenter of the virus.

“The doctor told us repeatedly that he caught the viral pneumonia that no medicine could treat,” she said. A patient’s immune system is the only defense, she said the family was told. “But after he died, the death certificate only said ‘severe pneumonia,’” she said, adding that she had expected the record to reflect the newly detected coronavirus.

The uncle was transferred to the infectious diseases unit on Wednesday, the niece said. Hours later, the family was informed that his condition was critical. Two days after her uncle died, China’s health ministry released the profiles of 39 deaths in Hubei due to the new virus, with two deaths listed in other provinces. She couldn’t find her uncle on the list.

As hundreds if not thousands of Wuhan residents die due to “severe pneumonia” instead of coronavirus, one can’t help but wonder if once the true cause of death is reported, instead of a 4% mortality rate as calculated by Dr. Jonathan Read, the Coronavirus epidemic won’t be in double digits – SARS was 11% – making this one of the most deadly epidemics in history.

Incidentally, here is a reminder of what happened when China’s attempts to cover up the full extent of the 2003 SARS epidemic were exposed:

A Chinese doctor who exposed the cover-up of China’s SARS outbreak in 2003 has been barred from traveling to the United States to collect a human rights award, a friend of the doctor and a human rights group said this week.

The doctor, Jiang Yanyong, a retired surgeon in the People’s Liberation Army, was awarded the Heinz R. Pagels Human Rights of Scientists Award by the New York Academy of Sciences. His army-affiliated work unit, Beijing’s Hospital 301, denied him permission to travel to the award ceremony in September, Hu Jia, a Chinese rights promoter who is a friend of Dr. Jiang’s, said Thursday.

Dr. Jiang rose to international prominence in 2003, when he disclosed in a letter circulated to international news organizations that at least 100 people were being treated in Beijing hospitals for severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS. At the time, the Chinese medical authorities were asserting that the entire nation had only a handful of cases of the disease.

The revelation prompted China’s top leaders to acknowledge that they had provided false information about the epidemic. The health minister and the mayor of Beijing were removed from their posts.

Surely this time is different.

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Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
January 25, 2020 7:24 pm

Those who think this is ‘fear porn’ and a hoax had better rethink. This has nothing to do with ‘bat soup’ or poor hygiene. The 4chans are on this and the consensus is escaped bioengineered virus. If the 4chans are correct then this is pandemic material, scary shit and far worse than anything previously known. Think the Stand or Contagion……

If it gets loose here, Molly bar the door…You had better be preparing…

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1220919589623803905&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fgeopolitical%2Fthermonuclear-pandemic-level-bad-harvard-epidemiologist-warns-viral-outbreak-might-get

Bob
Bob
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 25, 2020 7:34 pm

Well put.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 25, 2020 7:43 pm

Plum Island cubed.

Lebowski
Lebowski
  Anonymous
January 26, 2020 4:34 am

I had a view of the lighthouse on PI from my kitchen window in Sag Harbor and I got Lyme as well Too close for comfort I guess

Doug
Doug
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 25, 2020 8:31 pm

Isn’t it Katie bar the door? Anyway, you are correct and good comment.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Doug
January 26, 2020 12:13 am

Katie transgendered and is now known at Kyle.

Gilberts
Gilberts
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 25, 2020 8:41 pm

Been watching masks disappear on amazon. Ebay prices have shot up. I found some masks online, but it’s funny to see the prices explode from the roughly $20/case of 3M N95 masks to $60+ per case. Some guys are even selling individual disposable n95 and n100 masks for $5-$6 per mask!
The dudes in the video I linked below said folks are buying up our stocks online and shipping them to China to sell.
I also looked at mask prices at home depot last night. When hardware store respirators are going for 3x the standard $20 price per box, something odd is going on.

The Walgreens in my area still had procedure-type masks, but their prices were up to $14/10 Curad surgical masks, claiming they’re “bacteria-proof.” A box of 200 one-size gloves was $14.

If this is a real thing, a whoooole lot of people are about to find out there are no disposable gloves and masks available. If you’re late to the party now, I’m thinking you can still get non-sterile rubber gloves at harbor freight or other hardware store and maybe some dust-type masks. The surgical-quality stuff is going fast. I think N95-type dust masks might be better than the average tie-on surgical mask. Also, don’t forget some kind of eye protection. Some surgical masks have attached eye shields, otherwise safety glasses and splash-proof goggles on Amazon are still available. I saw some between $5-$12.

I am not an expert, but I’ve collected a variety of crap over the years ranging from full MOPP gear, like I was issued in the army, to dust masks and goggles. I think your primary goal here should be gloves, a reasonable medical-grade mask, and eye protection. Beyond that, you could aim for an oversuit (I think even a rain suit is better than nothing), over gloves (even kitchen-type yellow gloves can replace the surplus butyl rubber MOPP gloves you didn’t have time to get), head cover (plastic shower cap-type thing), etc, like you saw during the Ebola outbreak, but that’s pretty much overkill for your average person avoiding large crowds of people and avoiding obviously-sick people.

If you’re ready to spend a shit-load, get all brand new stuff from a reputable dealer, like approvedgasmasks.com.

If you’re really scared and you have some money to burn on this, check out Israeli civilian gas masks. Not the black rubber ones you see in every surplus store and gun show. These masks are special battery-powered Positive Air Pressure (PAPR) units. They’re not well known, but I think they are the best you can do on a budget, because they over-pressurize the hood, keeping potential nasty stuff out. The blower (powered by CR123 batteries, get spares) mounts the filter canister, blowing clean air through the filter and into your face. Also, try to secure current filters for it. It will most likely come with 10+ year old filters, which may work, or may not. I don’t know. Most filters are 40mm size, so nearly any replacement you see online should fit, but you should aim for the current filters. Expired ones are OK if they’re recent, but the older they get, the less you can rely on them. Some of them are also toxic after a certain point. Don’t even think of using those weird old Soviet surplus rubber masks. They’re ancient and who knows what’s in the filter? You should be able to find MSA brand filters good for this year, or next year, for about $25-$30 per filter.

Next, if you’re flush and you got your needs taken care of, consider securing some surgical masks for family and friends. It’s expensive to buy more boxes of masks, but if you’re just now figuring out this is an issue, imagine what your ignoranter friends and family are doing. I picked up some masks today partly to flush out my own preps and partly to get them started. If/when things start getting real, and your friends and family are getting panicky and maybe looking at you like you’re an asshole for being prepared, you can at least offer them some masks and gloves. I’ve got some I sealed with a food sealer in plastic, complete with mask and some gloves shrunk in a convenient package. I even made a couple packs up with oversuits. I figure at least being able to hand them a ziploc bag with some gloves and masks will be better than nothing. BTW-if you’re prepared, go armed, too, because a panicked asshole might decide your mask would look better on him or his kid.

I’m no expert, but I figure with this range of stuff, you have a serious set of options to pick from. Avoid everyone and plan to stay home as much as possible. If this gets bad enough, you won’t be going to work, anyway.

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Gilberts
January 25, 2020 8:48 pm

I’ve been on the interwebs since I first got word of the Chinese quarantines. I am gathering what nuggets are out there and I do believe this is a bio-weapon that escaped. All the road leading in and out of cities are being covered in dirt to prevent entering or leaving. If this keeps up there will be serious issues with getting food and supplies to the people.

I am prepping and getting set up for a possible two month isolation….I pray I am wrong about this…

Here is a twitter feed showing people being forced into an ambulance and in the background is the sound of gunfire. Some claim the sound is fireworks…what do any of you think?

How to prepare for a pandemic…

https://theprovidentprepper.org/prepare-now-to-survive-a-pandemic/

Thaisleeze
Thaisleeze
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 25, 2020 9:19 pm

They sound like firecrackers set off for Chinese new year. They have been going off here frequently since dawn Friday.

Donkey
Donkey
  Thaisleeze
January 25, 2020 11:01 pm

Thaisleeze,

You’re in China?

Thaisleeze
Thaisleeze
  Donkey
January 26, 2020 1:42 am

In Thailand, has many people with Chinese roots, Chinese New Year is not an official holiday but many folk treat is such.

mark
mark
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 26, 2020 12:36 am

Mygirl,

‘Prepare Now to Survive a Pandemic’ was a comprehensive article, printing it down, thanks.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Gilberts
January 25, 2020 8:58 pm

You forgot duct tape and plastic sheeting.

Hopefully people have a bunch leftover from the anthrax scare.

Gilberts
Gilberts
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 9:15 pm

In my earthquake kit. With stapler. Will add more. And more bleach.

When the first Ebola scare hit, I started working up a plan to isolate part of the house for movement in and out. Might have to revive that plan.

Will be planning to potentially stay home for 3 months. I don’t know how long my employer will remain open, but I can walk away for some time if I have to. Burn up my flex time, burn up my leave time, and finally not return.

Due to the nature of my employment, there’s a chance they’ll be covered by the Executive Orders dealing with a national emergency, which permit the fedgov to force people to work whenever and wherever they want for as long as they want. If that happens… I dunno. It could get rather ugly here if they try that.

javelin
javelin
  Gilberts
January 26, 2020 7:43 am

My wife and I both work at busy hospitals. I took an oath ( and it’s a character thing) but I will still have to go to work regardless… if this truly is a pandemic, I’m pretty sure my family will be goners.
If anyone else here works daily in hospital, clinics or SNIF settings, they can attest to the “inconsistency” of sterile and hygienic practices among staff ( not to mention a virulent/contagious patient sitting in a waiting area with a dozen people until seen.)

As a patient, always wear gloves and mask into a hospital– don’t touch things like armrests, water fountains, railings etc with your bare hands and especially be aware of not touching your face. Hand sanitizer with alcohol frequently and of course, hand washing.

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 10:24 pm

Along with the Y2k beans and rice? I pray you are right because if you aren’t…well

Unnamed
Unnamed
  Gilberts
February 10, 2020 9:03 am

Agenda 21.
2021
MMXX IX XI
Your local ‘harmless’ free masons are hoarding every stock everywhere as they were promised in exchange of selling out humanity a ‘immunity’ or ‘salvation’. The same people are part of the largest drug, pedophile rings so what can you expect?

Think of it like Noah’s Ark but it’s “help and join us kill/sacrifice everyone and we save you.”
Now is this inevitable? No, (they) are just mortals.

Be guided by Iēsous Christos, Theou Yios, Sōtēr. The true savior.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 25, 2020 9:23 pm

Understand this. If this is the real deal it could sink the Chinese and world economies.

Gilberts
Gilberts
  Eyes Wide Shut
January 25, 2020 9:26 pm

I would rather live than secure your bottom line. Burn the entire world economy down to the ground; I think I’m more important than your clownbucks. I would rather live.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Gilberts
January 25, 2020 9:41 pm

If the world economy crashes everything is much worse for everybody that does live, and economic crashes bring war.
This could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back along with everything else.
And then NWO out of chaos.

Gilberts
Gilberts
  Eyes Wide Shut
January 25, 2020 10:37 pm

Maybe. Or maybe the president who cares more for his people than keeping China happy would be the greatest fucking hero since ever. And fuck the world economy. As if that’s going to last flu, or no.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Eyes Wide Shut
January 25, 2020 9:42 pm

Understand this. If this is real and it actually unwound the fraudulent nature of the world economies, it would be the greatest liberation in the history of mankind. And if that were the case they would have already have implemented every fail-safe protocol to stop this thing in it’s tracks. Currently jetliners filled with Chinese are landing at airports all over the world and the gates are filled at every airport.

That circle cannot be squared.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 9:59 pm

The prog powers to be welcome/embrace massive world chaos and depopulation so they have an excuse to run/control everything by a centralized world government.
Never lose sight of their sick end game.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Eyes Wide Shut
January 25, 2020 10:16 pm

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 10:25 pm

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Or drop dead after puking up blood….

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 25, 2020 10:32 pm

That too.

Let’s hope you’re wrong.

Gilberts
Gilberts
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 10:50 pm

Hey, I wish you are right. I know panic sells. Can you afford to not take it seriously? I would rather end up with some extra prep shit taking up space and eating some crow for thoughtfully warning my loved ones and friends about the potential threat than coughing and hacking up blood while my loved ones drop dead in the biggest viral outbreak in 102 years. That would be kind of a bad thing.

These clips scare me. I do not want to see that here.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Gilberts
January 25, 2020 11:03 pm

I made all my preparations over a decade ago. We could hunker down for a year if we had to, but again, I’m basing my take on past performance of governments and media.

What do we know about China and how their government operates? Has everyone forgotten what’s been going on in Hong Kong? What if the CCP was aware of similar uprisings being fomented in the provinces because they saw the riots in Honk Kong giving the government a hard time? You think they wouldn’t use chemical weapons on their own people and use it as an excuse to do this? These guys love mass murdering their own people.

None of the other countries in the world are turning away flights from China, are they? Maybe they know something we don’t because they are doing precisely EVERYTHING wrong if this were indeed a threat.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 11:27 pm

farmer,
they didn’t even close any borders of ebola infected countries,do you really think we will close china’s borders by refusing entry to her citizens?

Anon
Anon
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 26, 2020 7:03 am

For equality reasons. Sick people are people too! You must not discriminate and allow them to board an airtight flight….

John Galt
John Galt
  Gilberts
January 26, 2020 7:01 am

I just got over severe bronchitis. I never have sicker. Bedridden 4 days. Wtf are these people doing out on the street that sick to where they pass out? Either this is weaponized to fill the lungs quickly causing less oxygen and passing out or these people are so sick they are delirious or plain stupid.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  John Galt
January 26, 2020 9:22 am

Me too, John. I wasn’t bedridden but I was seriously worthless for about a week and nearly useless for another. And I was wondering the same thing. What are these people doing walking around if they are so sick they pass out in the street?

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Mary Christine
January 26, 2020 9:40 am

Those sneakers aren’t going to make themselves.

1/20 - Millennial's 9/11 (EC)
1/20 - Millennial's 9/11 (EC)
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 26, 2020 2:01 pm

That’s funny, you shoulda been a comedian.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 10:47 pm

I know how it ends and when because I’ve read the end of the Good Book and all the pieces are lining up how and when it says they will.
Everything else is just speculation.

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 11:08 pm

The greatest liberation? Being dead is liberating?

From a zerohedge comment…mirrors my thinking…..

“Dreyfus 56 minutes ago
Sorry kids. This is much worse than most morons can grasp. Humans don’t intuitively grasp exponential processes. The energy of the wind is a cubic function. A doubling in wind strength is an 8 fold increase in destructiveness.

This is an exponential process in which early elimination is totally critical. Without it, the exponent takes over. Already the modelling suggests that even with 99% transport containment the final deal toll will only be reduced by 25%. 99% goal is a joke.

The medical evidence suggests people are symptom free for weeks and still contagious before showing symptoms. All those thermometer scans at airports are a joke. Thousands of infected people are already circulating in western cities, contagious and symptom free, infecting 2 to 3 more people who have 2-3 weeks to infect 2-3 more before seeking treatment. etc etc.

The exponential curve takes over when you have double the number of people needing ventilators tomorrow and double that the day after and double that the next.

Our systems and resources only respond linearly and for limited times.

Soon hospitals turn people away and home quarantine is enforced.

Martial law is declared to force power and water workers to turn up.

Food convoys into locked down cities are needed to feed starving people.

You line up for food or have it tossed over your fence.

Internationally, supply lines contract. Your crucial meds- now sourced from china- dry up as people

don’t turn up to work or factories redirect to local needs.

That goes for spare parts too. Without Chinese factories turning out stuff for the west, most of our

processes will grind to a halt.

Would a worker risk going to work today for a real chance of infection with a 3% fatality rate- if the

hospital will accept him?

Will every worker be forced at gunpoint to attend their factory?

Is every suburb raided daily to check for workers still at home?

Not possible.

Sorry kids, in exponential processes, you have to be WAAAY ahead of the curve.

I’m getting in the truck. Guns and grub loaded to a place where we can collaborate in small numbers in good isolation.

I could be wrong, but it costs me nothing against the costs of complacency.

May your god be with you, but I suggest he just sees you as another microbe in the dish.

Good luck”

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 25, 2020 11:21 pm

That is some serious doom porn right there.

“The medical evidence suggests people are symptom free for weeks…”

Really?

CDC says five days, less than ten to hospitalization.

Which is it? Weeks or days?

AC
AC
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 11:40 pm

The incubation period has been estimated to be about 2-14 days (CDC – https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/symptoms.html ). Infectees are contagious prior to the presentation of symptoms, I don’t think it’s clear yet how long before.

R-0 is being estimated at between 2.6 – 3.8 (lower is better, 2.6 is still bad – the PhDs are still arguing over the number, which won’t be clear until after the fact).

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/thermonuclear-pandemic-level-bad-harvard-epidemiologist-warns-viral-outbreak-might-get

Anonymous
Anonymous
  AC
January 26, 2020 12:20 am

I think we ought to ask Adam Schitt-he knows everything.

Donkey
Donkey
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 26, 2020 12:54 am

Haha
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yahsure
yahsure
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 26, 2020 10:10 am

Do you believe what you are told? By the Government?

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 25, 2020 9:35 pm

From my researching the webs the consensus is this a ‘chimera virus’ with the flu being the carrier and the payload closer to a form of hemmorhagic fever…

The Wuhan lab cost 300 million yuan (US$44 million), and to allay safety concerns it was built far above the flood plain and with the capacity to withstand a magnitude-7 earthquake, although the area has no history of strong earthquakes. It will focus on the control of emerging diseases, store purified viruses and act as a World Health Organization ‘reference laboratory’ linked to similar labs around the world. “It will be a key node in the global biosafety-lab network,” says lab director Yuan Zhiming.

But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.
https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487

Smaller govt now!
Smaller govt now!
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 26, 2020 6:47 am

From my research you get well, then a week later your lungs fill with blood. Seems the goal was to weaponize a virus that allows a sleeper virus to awaken. This would allow massive spreading.

Unnamed
Unnamed
  Mygirl....Maybe
February 10, 2020 8:52 am

The current year MMXX or 2020 is written many times in ‘death cult’ scriptures. You’d call them illuminati or whatever that pyramid eye, but we knew Albert Pike a free mason ””predicted”” ww3 but it’s just their plans and how this cult controlled the planet after Iēsous Christos, Theou Yios, Sōtēr died for our sins (Christ the Savior, Son of God)..
Trump however (or should I call Mr. 777) prevented tge MMXX ‘thousand year-long plan’ by striking Iran which surprisingly had ties with this ‘cult’.
Now if you remember Agenda 21, it might be 2021 MMXXI which signifies their ‘victory recette’. The plan to cull humanity down to 500 million where 6.5+billion become sacrifice for their evil ritual.
Space force is coming, get ready, be vigilant about the DEEP STATE’S plans like the fake ayyylien invasion. Trust Mr. 777.
Enjoy the show.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Unnamed
February 10, 2020 9:07 am

Ww3 is about the clashing of abrahamic religions, Jewish, Christians, Catholics, Muslims To destroy themselves and the emerging ‘New Religion’ Anti-Christ.
Iēsous Christos, Theou Yios, Sōtēr – is their enemy.
Now which side are you? Is Christ your enemy?

Hyperborean
Hyperborean
January 25, 2020 7:41 pm

Of course the chinks are hiding the true scale of the outbreak, and doing so like they always do – they lie. They lie about their CO2 emissions, they lie about their GDP, they lie about their debt levels, and everything else because no one in the west will stand up to them. The place is so massive how can anyone quantify anything going on there?

Case in point – I used to work for a division of Sinopec International. Our little 4,200 person company had the honor of domiciling over $USD 700 bln in Chinese government debt. This was where they hid their USD debt since it was an international operating arm and unlike domestic debt in yuan it couldn’t be Corzined and vaporized.

They are bigger liars than Africans and it is time the west put an end to their bullshit.

Smaller govt now!
Smaller govt now!
  Hyperborean
January 26, 2020 7:31 am

The one down vote got triggers by use of the word “chink”. Surely

Gilberts
Gilberts
January 25, 2020 7:56 pm

If you didn’t see it posted on the other coronavirus thread, check out this video. These 2 guys were long-time ex-pats in China. One is married to a Chinese doctor and trained Chinese doctors and has insider knowledge of the situation. Watch the whole video. Chinese people are disgusting and this is pretty much their fault for an almost medieval level of hygiene and sanitation and their stupid communist government.

mark
mark
  Gilberts
January 25, 2020 8:17 pm
Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Gilberts
January 25, 2020 8:26 pm

This is a bioengineered virus….a weapon. comment image

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 25, 2020 8:47 pm

Let’s try some logic.

How many pandemic scares have we had in the past 20 years? Half a dozen? SARS, Bird Flu, AIDS, MRSA, BSE, Ebola, etc. How many panned out? None.

I just checked one airline that flies out of China and it currently has four planes either on the ground in the US or due to land in the next couple of hours. 1 airline. How many others are there and how many other destinations are they flying to? Is that the protocol in a possible pandemic situation? Just keep flying people out of an infected area and land them wherever with no quarantine, no warning to the populations of the arrival cities?

And everything they have said about it indicates that there is no vaccine. Okay, then how do the elites in China and the rest of the world keep from being infected? Just a wing and a prayer when they let it loose?

This is just another scare tactic brought to you by the same people who have been bringing you a perpetual cycle of scare tactics that repeat on an endless loop- Norks with missiles, Iran 6 months away from getting a nuke, WMD’s, lone wolves, domestic terrorists, suicide bombers at the mall, school shooters, grid going down, EMP’s, Global Warming, pole shift, asteroids, prions in your meat, blah, blah, blah.

A population that is in a state of perpetual fear starts to lose it’s mooring with reality. It begs the authorities to protect it, demands new laws or pushes for restrictions, eats or drinks or drugs itself unto death, scribbles graffiti all over their bodies and drills holes into every flap of available skin, saws off genitals and inserts fake boobs. It’s like watching animals in captivity pace or groom themselves to death because it’s not natural to live that way.

See this for what it really is- a contrived hysteria manufactured to instill fear in the population so it can’t focus on the obvious criminality of the world’s political, business and media elites who are really doing all the damage and who actually pose a threat.

Let’s talk about this in a month and see where we are then.

In the meantime you should already be far away from the cities and working towards the important parts of living instead of hanging on every word coming from the people who haven’t told you a word of truth in your lifetime.

StackingStock
StackingStock
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 8:51 pm

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 9:11 pm

HSF, well put. The only thing I’d add is that if you are wrong, I’ve had a good run of it and do not fear my ultimate destination. God has a plan and if I can’t control it, oh well. In addition, people should have already been preparing for pain given the state of affairs in this country. If they haven’t been, then…WTF O?

Gilberts
Gilberts
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 9:22 pm

I think it’s real. It’s been developing for a while and the commies, as usual, flubbed it. And now we’re looking at the scenario everyone expected finally happening. Watch that video I linked. The vids they have of Chinese dudes just collapsing in the street are scary. One minute, normal, and the next minute face-down not moving.

Did you see where the fedgov put out a dire warning, then walked it back to avoid offending the Chinese? I think TPTB everywhere err on the side of business and diplomacy. If I were in power, borders would already be shut, mandatory monitoring at all ports, immediate quarantine of anyone who looks the slightest bit off. Maybe even mandatory quarantine of everyone entering period. Nobody and nothing would arrive from China or China via a 3rd nation.
Let them complain until it either goes away or they do.
I would rather live than see your business prosper.

Da Perfessor
Da Perfessor
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 10:06 pm

Hardscrabble –

I am with you on everything past your first paragraph. Here’s why….(though I am not panicking!)

All prior disease outbreaks seemed almost scripted. With my background, and as a matter of past professional interest, in every case I ran the numbers on infectiousness (the R0 discussed) and subsequent mortality and came up unimpressed.

Fact of the matter, it was my very first posting to TBP back with the Ebola scare when I said “Meh!” in so many words. And then Stucky (of course) came out to mock my use of numbers and posted a flattering photo of my ape-ish self.

Still, this episode has a different feel…

a) I think we are now up to +/- 50 million souls quarantined in China. When has quarantine like that happened before?

b) Mortality rates quoted are all over the place from sub-2% to almost 4.5%. Seems like the news briefing was rather poor.

c) Ditto with R0’s, from 2.0 or less to over 2.5…which is (in epidemiology terms) pretty effin’ big. Again…lotta folks not on script.

d) A virus capable of shedding from a host to other people while they themselves show no symptoms….definitely new. Just from decades-past experience tracking STD outbreaks, back before they were fashionable, this greatly complicates assessment of R0 in the sense that early estimates are: 1) always low and 2) never revised until about the 4th or 5th generation cycle of the outbreak.

e) Media coverage… Okay, I am a bit weak here as I do not spend any time in the MSM and have limited exposure to alt-media. The MSM is giving this little coverage compared to earlier outbreaks, near as I can tell. “Alts” range between reasoned analysis and losing their shit.

f) I disregard your airline analysis…NOT because it is not cogent BUT because the way the world works these days upholds “business as usual” over human life. (I thought you knew that!)

I may e-mail you with a side bet on this later but right now? I am making soup for the bride and recovering from a bunch of pruning work in the “toy orchard”. I have lots more wood to weed out tomorrow but hope to come back to a reasoned reply.

Da P

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Da Perfessor
January 25, 2020 11:37 pm

I mentioned it elsewhere, but it bears repeating. China has problems at home- Hong Kong showed them as far less effective at controlling domestic dissent than in years past- and the trade wars don’t really appear to be working out in their favor. That said since none of us speak Mandarin we have to rely on western interpretations of what’s going on in China.

Let’s say they knew that dissent was fomenting in the provinces along the lines of the Hong Kong unrest. What might they do to keep their grip on power? Would the Chinese communist government isolate these cities, maybe launch some kind of bio/chem attack on their people and then deliberately create a cover story that would both distract the rest of the world while keeping them at a safe distance from what’s happening in those quarantined provinces? I bet they could hustle off a lot of dissidents under cover of “treating” them. It’s not like they don’t have experience mass murdering their own people. In fact they are the world’s record holder in genocide.

Listen, who really knows?

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  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 26, 2020 12:10 am

EL Coyote once theorized that an embarrassed government attacks its own people, cf Argentina’s dirty war.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  1/20 - Millennial's 9/11 (EC)
January 26, 2020 12:35 am

Well, ya. Governments always attack their own people.

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 26, 2020 1:35 am

The Chinese are mass murdering dissidents under guise of pandemic? You mean the SAME Chinese government that holds Muslims in concentration camps and charges the families of political prisoners for the bullet used to kill their loved one, the government that harvests organs from those same prisoners is going to need cover for killing dissidents? That Chinese government?

All indications are this is a bio weapon discharged probably by accident. There are two bio level 4 labs near Wuhan. Think they may have had a vial of chimeral corona virus handy? Did you catch how Canada evicted some Chinese ‘scientists’ for stealing some very nasty diseases and sending them to China? Do you think there couldn’t be a Chinese man who wasn’t above selling infected lab animals slated for incineration to the ‘wet’ markets?

This disease does not act or present like the usual corona virus. There is a ten day to 2 wk. incubation period from exposure and the person can be infectious while being asymptomatic. Like the 1918 flu, the victims of this virus have a cytokine storm, meaning their immune system overreacts and said overreaction is often fatal

The following quote is from a Lancet article chronicling the etiology of the virus from it’s inception in Wuhan:

“2019-nCoV caused clusters of fatal pneumonia with clinical presentation greatly resembling SARS-CoV. Patients infected with 2019-nCoV might develop acute respiratory distress syndrome, have a high likelihood of admission to intensive care, and might die. The cytokine storm could be associated with disease severity. More efforts should be made to know the whole spectrum and pathophysiology of the new disease.”

Then you have this, from the same Lancet article which states definite and EFFICIENT human to human transmission:

“The number of deaths is rising quickly. As of Jan 24, 2020, 835 laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infections were reported in China, with 25 fatal cases. Reports have been released of exported cases in many provinces in China, and in other countries; some health-care workers have also been infected in Wuhan. Taken together, evidence so far indicates human transmission for 2019-nCoV. We are concerned that 2019-nCoV could have acquired the ability for efficient human transmission.19 Airborne precautions, such as a fit-tested N95 respirator, and other personal protective equipment are strongly recommended. ”

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/56-million-chinese-lockdown-virus-spreads-australia-malaysia

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/how-china-hiding-true-number-coronavirus-deaths

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 26, 2020 2:49 am

Let me check my concern level about the Uighurs. Yeah, it’s at zero.

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Iska Waran
January 26, 2020 3:49 am

And the camps are a big secret, right?

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 10:10 pm

So China is creating a contrived situation to accomplish what? Major cities shut down and soon Beijing will be affected plus top level states of emergency declared and all this to create fear porn? All public venues closed, Chinese New Year celebrations stopped, even Disneyland closed, all transportation stopped during what is usually the largest mass migration of people on the planet and China is taking a massive economic hit to create fear porn?
As to planes flying, please, they will do so until forced to stop and no government wants to do that for a number of reasons. Also, who would quarantine 56 million people due to a measly 41 deaths? They didn’t quarantine for SARS, but they will for this? No one want to declare an emergency, think of the consequences of doing so….

I hope you’re right but the facts all point elsewheres….

Pay attention here…Chris Martenson, he has the creds and he’s not claiming fear porn….

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 25, 2020 10:22 pm

Why would a government ever come up with a contrived situation?

Was that an honest mistake or are you shining me on?

The only reason governments exist is because of people contriving situations that demand they act. It’s their raison d’etre.

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 26, 2020 1:14 am

You think a government wants to lose billions and billions of moola? Lose tons of money and have to spend tons of money in a pandemic situation? You think China is doing this on purpose?

Smaller govt now!
Smaller govt now!
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 26, 2020 7:35 am

The house was able to provide cnn ratings and talking points for 2 months. Notice now the senate is debunking everything and no cnn coverage. This is a useful means to distract against the senate facts reaching the sheep so when the senate “out of nowhere” just votes not to impeach cnn and their ilk will again explode with on air narratives about how they are biased etc. The sheep then have their marching orders.

Go back and watch how the fear mongers on cnn were talking about how trump was gonna get Iran and Russia and china to blow us all up. The fear mongering of the news simply doesn’t fade away it immediately goes away and a new breaking new narrative takes its place. Like the threat of Iran china and russia just went away between a campbells soup commercial. Man we sure fuckin stupid sheep with no memory. Now rush out in panic and start prepping. You should all be like scrabble and laugh it off and know you were fully prepped ten years ago. If you cant join him in a good belly laugh thats your own damn fault. Lmao with scrabbles. Im out

Mike Moore
Mike Moore
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 26, 2020 8:29 am

Could this just be the inverse of what the CDC does to increase sales of their patented “flu shots”? Every year we get these scary numbers of “flu cases” and “flu deaths” but the y never tell the public that the total includes elderly deaths due to pneumonia, and “flu-like illnesses” of which something like 0.02% are laboratory confirmed influenza(and the probability that the virus type on which the rapidly-mutating disease “shot” was based is so small that you need to inoculate over 100 people to prevent 1 actual influenza infection. In addition, the corona virus is of the type that causes the common cold , so if you’re keeping vitamin C and D levels above the ridiculously low levels recommended by the CDC (?) , practicing good sanitation and staying away from large groups of people, you will probably be OK. “Keep calm, and carry on”!

card802
card802
January 25, 2020 8:34 pm

My biggest fear is a pandemic, especially a bio weapon pandemic………..I hope and pray this is not the case.

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  card802
January 25, 2020 11:26 pm

Goodness, all I ever read on TBP is how folks pray for a meteor to end all life on this spinning tortilla of a planet and now that a pandemic is imminent, well I would have expected champagne corks a’poppin. Genocidal maniacs, rejoice! This is your hour at long last.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  1/20 - Millennial's 9/11 (EC)
January 25, 2020 11:48 pm

Not Skeeter Davis’ The End of the World?

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1/20 - Millennial's 9/11 (EC)
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 25, 2020 11:58 pm

Try to keep up with the tone of my comments, while I change sides often, I do try to post complementary vids. If I had been getting all morose, sure, that would be my choice.

Here’s a snarky one with no explanation, I expect you won’t need one:

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 26, 2020 1:18 am
Gubmint Cheese
Gubmint Cheese
January 25, 2020 10:18 pm

I think I’ll revisit the movie “12 monkeys “

I hear the keys are beautiful this time of year.

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1/20 - Millennial's 9/11 (EC)
January 25, 2020 11:09 pm

There is no way the USA could quarantine 7 million people here without raising eyebrows.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  1/20 - Millennial's 9/11 (EC)
January 25, 2020 11:34 pm

Who cares if we raise eyebrows, we are the the mighty mighty usa! usa! usa! Global warmasters of the world. For the children!

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  ILuvCO2
January 25, 2020 11:52 pm

Why be paranoid?

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1/20 - Millennial's 9/11 (EC)
  ILuvCO2
January 26, 2020 12:04 am

What if the sound of fireworks is gunfire, police shooting suspected carriers? That would explain the blood around the head of victims more readily than claiming they died and bled out on the spot.

That is a perfect trick, the populace fooled into putting down their weapons so they can get terminated neatly by the authorities.

Reluctant Warrior
Reluctant Warrior
January 26, 2020 6:28 am

Be aware that most of this is hype being used to scare us and ultimately control us. Bill Sardi is one of the best health researchers around. Read his article below:

Your Chance of Dying From the Menacing Coronavirus That Now Threatens Global Human Populations Is 0.0000001137%

John Galt
John Galt
January 26, 2020 6:44 am

Between November 2002 and July 2003, an outbreak of SARS in southern China caused an eventual 8,098 cases, resulting in 774 deaths reported in 17 countries, with the majority of cases in China mainland and Hong Kong (9.6% fatality rate) according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

This coronavirus has less than 5% mortality but the world is becoming on lockdown? Something smells fishy. Wuhan is where 2 military lab# for weapons viruses are headquartered.

Jim in Va.
Jim in Va.
January 26, 2020 9:04 am

first I heard bat soup then it came from snakes……nothing surprises me anymore. all governments lie just to look good or prevent reaction. This virus is going to go nuts. Get your masks and go hermit.

yahsure
yahsure
January 26, 2020 10:28 am

This is going on and I keep hearing about scientists digging up places where the flu or some other thing was killing everyone. They want samples. Why? My boy is just getting over the flu and the rest of us are hoping we don’t get it. Half the town seems to have it. I figure the local schools are the place this plague comes from. All these parents sending their sick kids to school because they’re kids need a baby sitter.

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1/20 - Millennial's 9/11 (EC)
January 26, 2020 1:54 pm

Where are the troops in yellow containment suits? I saw one video where they are taking people onto a van in an otherwise empty street. In another vid, a victim is on the ground with blood around his head. Nobody said it is not a head wound, the official story is that it’s blood coming from the lungs. This may turn out to be China’s Vegas shooting with staged hospital scenes. Exactly how does China quarantine 56 million people when Western Europe can’t quarantine Syrian refugees? Did China lower a mini dome over 7 cities of the plain?

Could this be a dirty war like Argentina’s war against her people after the Falklands fiasco? An effort to maintain control over the populace? How can this scenario play out in the USA? Convince people of an epidemic run amok in New York and California and shut down those states while police and government thugs conduct a wholesale cleansing of dissidents diagnosed on the spot with an infection? All they would do to diagnose you would be to point a laser thermometer at you and bam, an untrained idiot would not even have to interpret results on a flat panel X-ray detector.

I’m staying away from Paula, the fever she induces could be my last.

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1/20 - Millennial's 9/11 (EC)
January 26, 2020 2:45 pm

Take a look at the picture where medical staff are decontaminating a hospital. Two of the guys are wearing street shoes sans plastic booties. They have a bucket and a broom. What kind of decontamination are they doing? I would seem to me that they should be spread out and spraying shit, bleach or whatever, on the walls. The picture does not make sense. There should be a sense of urgency but it looks like everybody is calmly going on with life.