Revisiting the Hanoi Hilton

Guest Post by Jeff Thomas

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Here in Hanoi resides a large building that, although quite significant historically, has faded into relative obscurity.

And yet, it has a tale to tell.

It is most famous in the West as the “Hanoi Hilton,” the name given to it by American POWs between 1964 and 1973 during America’s war with Vietnam. US Congressman John McCain was famously held here after his plane was shot down, as were many other US pilots.

When the prison was built by the French in 1896, during their occupation of Hanoi, it was named the “Maison Centrale.” They used it initially to incarcerate Vietnamese insurrectionists from the Cần Vương movement.

But it has a third name, given to it by the Vietnamese themselves — Hỏa Lò Prison — after its location.

Today, a version of the prison’s history can be found in books written by the Vietnamese. They’re filled with condemnations of the horrible conditions in the prison, as imposed by the French. In these books, the Vietnamese prisoners are described as “brave patriots” and the French as “ruthless.”

Here’s a quote:

The [French] Prison administrators were cunning and experienced jailers, cruel overseers, and stool-pigeons together with a harsh detention regime and subhuman conditions, plus turning Hỏa Lò into a “hell on earth.”

And to be sure, an inspection of the prison today reveals inhumane standards by anyone’s measure.

But in 1945, the French were overthrown, and, in a few months, Hỏa Lò was operating under the aegis of the Vietnamese government.

Same prison, different management.

So what became of the prison? Did its new management change its policies? Well, this was put to the test in the 1960s, when it was used to house American pilots as prisoners-of-war.

The pilots had been captured after their bombers had been downed by Vietnamese anti-aircraft. It’s safe to say that the Vietnamese did not feel kindly toward their new prisoners, given that the pilots had just invaded North Vietnam, dropping bombs and napalm on villages filled with women and children.

But the same books that describe the French management of the prison cover the Vietnamese handling of it:

Captured pilots were created [sic] favourable conditions for entertainment, cultural and sports activities, chess playing, listening to Voice of Vietnam radio (English broadcasts), watching films and enjoying music. Parties were organized for them during New Year festivals and holidays.

Sounds pretty nice.

When the Vietnamese are writing their own history, they describe themselves not as brutal captors, like the French, but as something resembling councilors at a holiday camp.

Of course, those US servicemen who were imprisoned at the Hanoi Hilton have offered a different appraisal. The Vietnamese jailers have been said to have “used extreme methods of torture on Americans to extract information.”

One pilot stated,

We spent 42 months in solitary confinement, with our legs either shackled in cuffs or put in leg stocks at the bottom of our “beds”—little more than cement slabs. Starvation, isolation and torture were constant companions.

So it would appear that there’s a bit of fibbing here somewhere. Not all of the above can be true.

In reading the Vietnamese government’s version of history, it would be understandable for the Vietnamese people to feel proud that their leaders were just and humane, especially after such abuse at the hands of the French and Americans.

But of course, the American view is quite different. Lieutenant-Commander John McCain died as a revered war hero due to his detention at Hỏa Lò—a reputation that helped elevate him to the US Senate and nearly to the presidency.

And so, it would be understandable for the American people to feel proud of Senator McCain and the other pilots who suffered imprisonment at the Hanoi Hilton.

The trouble is that there’s no resemblance whatsoever between the two versions of the story.

Of course, the Vietnamese version has been touted by US leaders as “communist propaganda,” and that may well be true.

But the Vietnamese leaders might say that the American history books are filled with glowing reports of the just and humane treatment of prisoners, which they would, in turn, say is untrue.

And at this point, any well-informed American might wince as he recalls the stories of US torture of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib, a prison that was described by the US as being infamous under Saddam Hussein but humane under the American conquerors.

Unfortunately, films of the US torture at Abu Ghraib leaked out, ending the question of whether the US victors were any better than their predecessors.

And then there’s the niggling remembrance of waterboarding at Guantanamo, a prison located in Cuba. Even President Obama, who campaigned to end the waterboarding at Guantanamo, failed to deliver on his promise once he was president. In fact, when he visited Cuba on a goodwill tour in 2016, the Cuban government placed the return of Guantanamo to its rightful owners — Cuba — at the top of their list for the discussion agenda. They were told that Guantanamo was decidedly off the list for discussion.

So what can we take away from this? Are there good countries and evil countries?

Well, no. Governments, the world over are, and have been since time immemorial, agents of force and brutality. Each is concerned with its own dominance. For each, its treatment of those who are imprisoned is stark evidence of their lack of humanity. They tend to treat those whom they regard as supporters (the producers and taxpayers) with grudging tolerance, but their true nature is invariably evident when we observe how they treat those from whom they can extract neither votes nor wealth.

They can also be counted on to paper over their sins for the sake of a clean image.

For those of us who are British, our own Winston Churchill is both “the man who saved England in the war” and a military leader who gave not a second thought to sending tens of thousands to their graves in a self-promotion effort.

As he correctly stated, “The victors write history.”

Here in Hanoi, that fact is starkly evident.

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Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
January 27, 2020 10:08 pm

This is for all our resident Vietnam Vets. God bless you guys.

I can’t remember anything
Can’t tell if this is true or dream
Deep down inside I feel to scream
This terrible silence stops me

Now that the war is through with me
I’m waking up, I cannot see
That there is not much left of me
Nothing is real but pain now

Hold my breath as I wish for death
Oh please God, wake me

Back in the womb it’s much too real
In pumps life that I must feel
But can’t look forward to reveal
Look to the time when I’ll live

Fed through the tube that sticks in me
Just like a wartime novelty
Tied to machines that make me be
Cut this life off from me

Hold my breath as I wish for death
Oh please God, wake me

Now the world is gone, I’m just one
Oh God help me

Hold my breath as I wish for death
Oh please God, help me

Darkness imprisoning me
All that I see
Absolute horror
I cannot live
I cannot die
Trapped in myself
Body my holding cell
Landmine has taken my sight
Taken my speech
Taken my hearing
Taken my arms
Taken my legs
Taken my soul
Left me with life in hell

mark
mark
  Articles of Confederation
January 27, 2020 10:23 pm

AoC,

Give this one to your Father. Tell him its from the mid 70’s. He will understand.

MAN CHILD – SOLITARY MAN – POETRY MAN

MAN CHILD
did it drive you wild
when you fell
did it burn
in your teenage Marine combat hell
youth and innocence KIA
humanity to sell
who were the good guys
could you really tell?

SOLITARY MAN
can you come to understand
the war trapped in your head
don’t forget
what yesterday said
remember the wail
of your conscience crying
can you still hear
your humanity screaming while dying

POETRY MAN
making your stand
writing every day
got to stay out
of your shadow’s way
ignore the inevitable costs
survivors must pay
just write the truths
you’re driven to say

and let the reader sort it out.

Flea…Are you out there?

Check in!

TampaRed
TampaRed
  mark
January 27, 2020 10:45 pm

mark,
we thought we lost flea a couple of years ago but then he came back so there’s always hope–however,with his health & him staying in the cold 4 treatment instead of going down to arizona ,i suspect we’ve lost him this time–
let’s hope he proves me wrong–

mark
mark
  TampaRed
January 27, 2020 10:47 pm

Tampa,

Yea, I remember…I was thinking that too.

I remember you warning him to head south.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  mark
January 27, 2020 11:10 pm

My buddy Mary set me up for this one. I appreciate you guys wondering. I’m ok, we’re having a balmy winter here.
I said to someone on here about a year or two ago that I have to completely withdraw periodically to regenerate by being completely isolated with just me and God. If I didn’t during the short 7 years of marriage I would have been found hanging in the closet. It’s just how it is, I’m used to it. The only ones I have contact with is Mary and my best buddy of 37 years. Mary has the phone nr. of my buddy if she doesn’t hear from me so she can let you know if this flue is real and gets me.
No matter which train wreck you choose, we don’t have much time left of ease and comfort because you can’t fix stupid.
As for the Hilton. That was a picnic compared to the poor grunts and pilots kept in Jungle POW shitholes who never made it out because you can’t live long enough in one of those places. We had a family friend who was one of the first Marines on Guadalcanal. He said they welcomed the next wave of Japanese just to get their mind off watching the puss run out of their feet as their feet rotted. Give me the hilton anyday.
Thanks for worrying.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Fleabaggs
January 27, 2020 11:37 pm

Missed you a lot.

mark
mark
  Fleabaggs
January 27, 2020 11:41 pm

Flea,

Good to hear from you. I remember the last time you took a sabbatical, thought this one was getting long in the tooth.

Now, you know that Christmas poem I sent you was a joke…right?

Anyway keep your powder dry and your mask on, stay away from Chicom hookers with runny noses!

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Fleabaggs
January 28, 2020 4:14 am

Hey, Flea….

“I said to someone on here about a year or two ago that I have to completely withdraw periodically to regenerate by being completely isolated with just me and God.”

Might have been me….at least I remember reading it. Good to hear you’re still above grade

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  ordo ab chao
January 28, 2020 8:01 am

Thanks Ordo.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Fleabaggs
January 28, 2020 9:33 am

good to read that you’re ok–

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  mark
January 27, 2020 11:39 pm

Will do.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
January 27, 2020 11:59 pm

They never should have let John McCain check out of there.