By Doug “Uncola” Lynn via TheBurningPlatform.com
First of all, I am no doctor. Nor have I played one on TV. But, let’s be honest, we’ve all seen movies like Contagion, World War Z, Outbreak, 12 Monkeys, I Am Legend, and 28 Days Later. They all contain certain similarities. It starts slowly with Patient Zero, either man or animal, and then momentum builds until realization rolls over the globe like a wave. People drop like flies in a fumigated room, as chaos delivers anarchy until only a small remnant survives – usually scientists or sometimes the most attractive members of a U.N. contingency team or, at the very least, average Joes and Janes are left to repopulate the earth.
Occasionally in the stories, the global pandemic occurs in real-time. But, in other instances, the destruction, decimation and depopulation are set to fast-forward during the opening credits and exclaimed by increasingly horrified news reporters terrified at their particular plague’s acceleration – or – the tale is sometimes told via flashbacks in the narrative to explain what happened.
One of my personal favorites of the contagiously post-apocalyptical genre is a book written by horror author, Stephen King, called “The Stand”. The now-classic novel of good versus evil was also made into a television and comic book series. The narrative depicted the breakdown of American society following the inadvertent airborne dispensation of a mutant flu virus from a military laboratory in Texas. In a short time, the virus killed 99.4% of the global population.
Although the near mass-extinction event in King’s book was told in flashbacks through the main characters, the main action occurred in its aftermath: a tribulation period prior to a new age that would manifest as tyranny, or polite society, depending upon who survived in the end.
Seems familiar, no?
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
– Revelation 6:8
I once read an article by a Biblical scholar who claimed the usage of the Greek word “beast” in the above Bible scripture was “therion” and that word could be interpreted as “tiny, uncontrolled, poisonous beasts” – like bacteria. Or a virus.
Strong’s Greek: 2342. θηρίον (thérion) — a wild beast
…Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance
venomous, wild beast.…Diminutive from the same as thera; a dangerous animal — (venomous, wild) beast.
So what about Coronavirus®? Is it the plague for the end of an age or a marketing gimmick?
At the close of my last article, I wrote the following:
….. all current global trends, including especially Coronavirus®, are about establishing control prior to the advent of a new order. Although the immediate future will be anarchy, out of that chaos will come order administered by technological switches and gates. And the future will be cashless because slavery is rooted in economics.
Accordingly, a commenter by the name of “One Eyed Jack” posed the following question: “…how long before that filthy cash has to be discarded to protect society?”
I responded by saying it was an excellent point because recent articles had claimed Coronavirus® survived on surfaces for two weeks.
The next thing ya know…, new headlines appeared out of the ether and, seemingly, right on schedule:
“China disinfects BANK NOTES and quarantines them for 14 days..”
“Chinese Banks Are Quarantining Cash, Destroying ‘Dirty’ Money”
“China, desperate to stop coronavirus spread, turns neighbor against neighbor”
“To Tame Coronavirus, Mao-Style Social Control Blankets China”
What if Americans, through various media, have been pre-programmed to embrace the deception and, furthermore, into forfeiting their freedoms in the name of safety?
What if Coronavirus® was the new Terrorism®?
Queue the U.N. special contingency team.
Coronaviruses are actually common and cause lots of conditions like pneumonia, respiratory infections, colds, and the flu. They are ordinary viruses and many people who test positive for coronavirus have no symptoms at all.
Of course, with the recent advent of Coronavirus®, there have been comparisons to the SARS scare several years ago:
The media are correct in saying the closest comparison here is SARS. It also was first reported in China and was what’s called a coronavirus. But while they want you to remember SARS as akin to the Black Death with cries of “Bring out your dead!,” fact is, there was a grand total of only 8,098 cases, of whom 774 died. Then the disease simply disappeared. More than 7,000 of those cases and about 650 of the deaths occurred just in mainland China and Hong Kong. The United States had just 75 cases and zero deaths.
By contrast, the CDC estimates about 80,000 Americans died of flu two seasons ago.
And what is SARS exactly? Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. Add up those words up and they mean…. pneumonia.
Therefore, if pneumonia could be compared to Acetaminophen, then it appears SARS and Coronavirus® been rebranded into the Tylenol® of respiratory illnesses.
Why?
It’s a good question. Especially since commonplace pneumonia and other generic respiratory illnesses are killing more people every day in China and around the world.
Consider the following statements about Coronavirus® in an article posted on Valentines Day by a “Board-Certified family physician” who is said to be “one of the foremost practitioners of holistic medicine”:
As of 2.14.20, the data indicates that 1,400 have died and over 64,000 are infected. Although those numbers are grim, I would like to put them in perspective. These numbers correlate to a 2% death rate (1,400/64,000). In other words, 98% of those infected survive. Keep in mind, those are the reported numbers. I am certain there are many more infected people who are staying home convalescing on their own. Factoring those individuals in the total numbers would lower the death rate.
Don’t believe it? Okay. The following link connects to a real-time map with stats:
Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by Johns Hopkins CSSE
And, as of this writing, the reported death rate remains under 3%.
Moreover, late last month, the New York Times reported that “Coronavirus Deaths Are So Far Mostly Older Men, Many With Previous Health Issues”
Many had underlying conditions like cirrhosis of the liver, hypertension, diabetes and Parkinson’s disease. Most spent more than a week in hospitals, with some undergoing treatment for a month or longer. But two died just four days after they were admitted.
Has anything changed? Are the reported death rates accurate? Are younger people with healthy immune systems dying?
Maybe. Maybe not. And, as stated previously, I’m not a doctor; nor have I played one on TV.
Even so, let us, at this time, consider heart disease: It kills 1.4 million people every month.
Over a million people.
Every month.
What about plain-old regular pneumonia?
Pneumonia affects approximately 450 million people globally (7% of the population) and results in about four million deaths per year…
Factors that predispose to pneumonia include smoking, immunodeficiency, alcoholism, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, asthma, chronic kidney disease, liver disease, and old age.
And what is the death rate from pneumonia?
Most people do eventually recover from pneumonia. However, the 30-day mortality rate is 5 to 10 percent of hospitalized patients. It can be up to 30 percent in those admitted to intensive care.
Scary. Even more frightening than Coronavirus®, right?
Evidently not.
It appears Coronavirus® has all the makings of a media event; a post-impeachment just-in-time delivery to the people. Because, Dear Reader, we are hamsters in a cage and electronic media is the wheel.
Coronavirus® is about establishing control.
In the opinion of this blogger, propagandized pandemics are meant to prompt quarantine and vaccinations. And healthy immune systems have a better chance at fighting off any virus than perhaps people do surviving the likely depopulating measures of quarantines and vaccinations.
Fear engenders control and it seems hysteria has a higher transmission rate and longer sustainability in brain tissue, than coronaviruses.
Maybe some of you disagree and that’s fine. What’s still great about America is how we get to choose our own conspiracy theories.
It could be Coronavirus® is as bad as it’s billed in the news. At worst, it escaped from a Wuhan laboratory affiliated with China’s secret biological weapons program. At the very least, it could be that many people are too eagerly anticipating the global end-game and have misplaced their enthusiasm. And then there are those desiring to capitalize on the hype – ranging from media outlets seeking clickbait and ad revenue, to governments seeking control, to even Big Pharma seeking profit.
In all instances, understand this: Advertising works.
Aids and Ebola are the real depopulators. But Coronavirus®? It’s likely a psyop, a test-run, or both; and by this summer, we’ll be asking each other to remember the name of that last flash outbreak. “What was that? Guinness virus? No! It was Heineken, flu. Remember?”
Because, as a global plague, Coronavirus® seems … quite…. inadequate; in spite of all the electronic claims to the contrary – and as reported from a tightly-controlled communist nation.
For the sake of argument, however, let’s say Coronavirus® really was mutating into a bona fide global pandemic: Cui bono? Because, as the panic exponentially expands, individual rights will, of course, greatly contract; and, seemingly, just in time. It’s happening now.
Everything about the Coronavirus® outbreak smells rotten; even as the stench penetrates the stuffed sinuses of the newly infected.
Here’s a question: Why would any rational person trust government officials, “experts” and the Orwellian Media? Especially, when past history has proven their predisposition towards subversive slyness. Or maybe this blogger has witnessed too many of their misdiagnoses before. And, at least for now, the death rate from healthy skepticism remains low.
Hope for the best and prepare for the worst. We’ll know soon enough. In the meantime, the Wall Street Journal has reported the following:
There are signs that Chinese authorities are still trying to conceal the true scale of the problem, but at this point the virus appears to be more contagious but considerably less deadly than the pathogens behind diseases such as Ebola or SARS—though some experts say SARS and coronavirus are about equally contagious.
That is some masterful equivocation right there – even as the Chinese actively engage in said “cover-up” by expelling three Wall Street Journal Reporters for “racism”.
The headlines! Oh, the headlines! They’ll keep on a comin’…
US Firms In China Suffering “Severe Shortages Of Workers,” Warn Virus Impact Hitting Supply Chains
Chip stocks dive after Apple’s coronavirus warning, led by iPhone suppliers
Senior Wuhan doctor dies from coronavirus as authorities start to ’round up’ patients
Russia Becomes First Country To Ban All Chinese From Entering
Is Coronavirus® the real deal? A made-for-TV psyop? A marketing gimmick? A man-made bioweapon or a Biblical plague?
At this point, what difference does it make?
That was one of the more cogent pieces on the topic I have yet read.
You’ve really turned into a compelling story teller with a unique voice. It has been a real pleasure to watch.
Twenty years ago my father said he thought they’d finally get rid of cash when there was a disease outbreak and they discovered it spread on currency. That may have been a good call.
Thank you Hardscrabble. I appreciate the opportunity TBP offers when it comes to honing ideas – both prior to and after posting various articles.
Obviously, this one is a work in progress and we’ll see what happens
Yup, pneumonia is contagious but don’t worry, bouts of pneumonia are as common as hay fever and almost no one ever died from pneumonia, especially not the viral kind. Nope, pneumonia is benign, ignore that ARDS business, if you manage to live thru that (unlikely) you’ll only have scarred lungs and other damaged organ issues for the rest of your life. That’s if you can get into ICU and onto a respirator and some intravenous drugs and that shouldn’t be an issue really because pneumonia is no biggie.
China’s economy is in the toilet but hey, they did that on purpose to….what? Why to punish those nasty protesters and take the opportunity to quarantine half a billion people for sport. The Chinese government didn’t really want to have those airplanes coming and going and the cities needed some quiet time. Then again, the Chinese people likebeing locked up and beaten, and they ignore all those hazmatted folk grabbing them and forcing them into cars but then, those videos are all fakes, every one.
Nope, this is just a made for tv show, it’s only the flu, pneumonia isn’t so bad and those numbers are all real, the Chinese government wouldn’t lie about something destroying their economy and populace now would they?
Maybe Mygirl the issue is that pneumonia has a higher mortality rate than COVID-19. so why the hype? Unless there is something else is going on.
Chuckles: Do your research. Until it was tagged as novel corona virus it was called Wuhan flu or Wuhan pneumonia and most of the people who had it were diagnosed with viral pneumonia. It is also apparent that you didn’t read the article other wise you would understand my points about pneumonia. The author treats and acts like pneumonia is no big deal.
Mygirl…maybe
Like SARS, Coronavirus is pneumonia, Mygirl. The point of the article is that pneumonia is always a big deal, especially to the elderly and those with weak immune systems – but I’m questioning if COVID-19 is worthy of the hype. Obviously, you believe it is deserving of the hysteria. I say…. maybe, maybe not; and, we’ll see.
Covid19 creates pneumonia….that is a big deal. You think the virus isn’t worthy of the ‘hype’ and yet you just stated that pneumonia was a big deal. You can’t have it both ways.
Mygirl….Maybe
When’s the last time you’ve seen pneumonia headlines, Mygirl? And, yet plain old regular pneumonia kills more people in China (and everywhere else) every day than COVID-19. Got it? So, I ask you: Did you freak-out over the SARS headlines, too? Just curious.
World Health Organization (WHO)- Pneumonia
That’s 67,000+ a month! Little kids dying around the world.
Where were the headlines, MyGirl?
But COVID-19? Less than 3,000 reported deaths
Apparently, you can beef up your immunity by not reading ZH articles. A Latin American newspaper article states that the virus is more dangerous to people over 80 and those with compromised immune systems. It says no children have died, mostly oldsters – male. It says the majority (80%) suffer no serious effects and the mortality rate is two – three percent.
The graphic suggests they should keep a one yard distance from sick folks and avoid shaking hands or greeting folks with a kiss on the cheek. In other words, the same precautions you’d take with a flu breakout. No wonder the world is insouciant.
So the fact that China a has essentially shuttered it’s economy and half a billion people for less than 3,000 dead is a what? Is it a Joke, Uncola? An evil ploy to create mass hysteria to what? Punish protesters, Uncola?
You very conveniently ignore the massive economic damages and draconian quarantines and controls made by the Chinese because it doesn’t fit your belief that this virus is essentially hype. Every country shuts down and closes borders for ‘normal’ pneumonia, right, Uncola? Every country risks economic collapse because of that ‘plain old normal’ pneumonia’ don’t cha know? Guess those pesky Koreans, Iranians, Italians and Japanese are thrilled to know the virus is nothing but hype, Uncola. And that plain vanilla pneumonia is sooo contagious too, isn’t it?
Four extra people dying in South Korea, has has sent MyGirl over the top; as Zero Hedge accrues another half-million views per day.
Like I said in the piece, MyGirl, all we can do is prepare for the worst and wait and see. This deal is about control more than anything else. I’m convinced of that more with each passing day.
Four extra people in S. Korea….and….now Japan, Italy, Iran et al…. but it’s all about control. Control what? Economic collapse? The number coming our of China are bogus and were bogus, they change their counting methods to suit a narrative that they have this under control and yet you base you conclusions on those obviously fake numbers.
You should be smarter than this.
You have yet to acknowledge the draconian measures taken by China and how that has impacted the markets and global economies as a result of the virus. You have a disease that causes viral pneumonia and is highly contagious but, no biggie? Nevermind, your mind is made up as is mine, see you on the other side…Maybe.
Healthy skepticism is not close-mindedness. The Gates foundation ran a simulation on this last fall where the case is grew exponentially every week. If the fear takes root, martial law will be the result. If it fizzles in the sun, and fear doesn’t take hold, it will fade like SARS.
Have a plan, stay cool, and watch. That’s all I’m saying over here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=466&v=J028m1yjD70&feature=emb_logo
I’m in a car this morning riding in bright sunlight, and writing with no glasses through the reflective glare of a smartphone – so I’ll check out the video later.
C.M. is a very smart guy, no doubt.
But, for the time being, something to ponder:
Question: How is this latest remarketing of coronavirus different from 911®, Weapons of Mass Destruction®, The War on Terror®, Syrian Chemical Weapons®, et al?
Answer: This time, the Alternative Internet is on board.
Maybe for good reason. Maybe not.
We’ll see…
If you haven’t seen it, I suggest you watch an old BBC documentary called “The Power of Nightmares.” It details the concurrent rise of the Muslim Brotherhood, NeoConservatism, and the forever National Emergency started under Reagan and is a good background as to why we always seem to be in some state of fear and impending collective doom. It was one of the last BBC productions that wasn’t under full political control and is quite a dose of red pill and gives a good background to many of the points I post here on TBP.
I put the three part series on this TBP article titled “Harvard, Yale, and Others on the Take…” It takes 3 hours to watch in entirety. Enjoy.
Martenson’s first report on this came out on 1-24-2020.
Below is the Gates Foundation associated “Event 201 Pandemic Excercise” highlight reel posted on 11-4-2019 complete with “GNN” (simulated) “news anchor reports” to generate (simulated) urgency.
The responses of the real world U.N. Contingency Team (my designation – as referenced in my above piece as a consistent Hollywood remedy) arguing for increased centralization and coordination between the U.N. and World Health Organization (WHO) with “private sector supply chains”.
Beginning at the 7:01 mark, the “GNN Simulation” factors how “THE PANDEMIC IS CAUSING A GROWING GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS” – followed by commentary from real-life Chinese and U.S. CDC officials.
At the 8:15 mark, the GNN news simulation addresses how portions of the internet were shut down to “quell panic”.
And, if you don’t believe Coronavirus® is about control, then watch the “Scenario Epilogue” from the 10:03 mark to the end.
Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not.
By the way, this is a hyperlink to the video StackingStock posted further down the thread:
UN Troops Featured in World Military Games in Wuhan China Weeks Before Coronavirus Outbreak
And, while vetting the above, I found this link to a Global Times article that has now been scrubbed from the internet:
“Five foreign athletes from military world games in Wuhan infected with malaria, not COVID-19 in October 2019; hospital head”
Again, probably just a coincidence, right?
Is malaria a common disease in China? I daresay that what you are implying is that this virus release is a deliberate act to effect certain agendas in the same way that 911 ushered in the ‘War on Terror’ along with the Patriot Act and a host of other constitution destroying laws.
That could very well be the case, but it doesn’t negate the fact that there is a very contagious virus on the loose that is killing people and making others very sick, that economies are tanking as a result and many people are and will be suffering greatly.
Speaking of conspiracies, it seems Philip Haney, DHS whistleblower during Obama’s tenure. was found dead by the side of the road, the victim of a gunshot wound. Sheriff ruled suicide…of course….
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/philip-haney-dhs-whistleblower-found-dead-police-say/ar-BB10hCrc?ocid=spartanntp
And if that was the case, it seems there are better depopulaters than COVID-19 – like AIDS in Africa, as an example.
Or it could be this latest incarnation of coronavirus is a real killer and the mortality rates now being reported are completely bogus.
Or it could be the Centralizers have been trying to light just the right-sized fire for some time with the burning matches of Bird flu, Swine flu, SARS, MERS, et al, all of which, so far, have extinguished upon the damp grass of the human immune system – and prior to the flames taking hold.
It could be they got it just right this time.
If I believed in coincidences, I might even say it might be naturally occurring.
Perhaps the Chi-coms started the conflagration to smoke-out the protests (and protesters) in Hong Kong. Maybe the global financial elite want to burn down China’s economy and cause civil strife in order to secure Hong Kong and/or Taiwan.
Or maybe the globalists desire the Asian flu to spread like wildfire around the globe in order to centralize power with a new world order and cashless financial system.
It could be the time has come – and, as the musician Frank Zappa previously predicted, the “illusion” has become “too expensive to maintain” and we’re now about to “see the brick wall at the back of the theater”.
In any event, I wrote this article as a think piece and as a work in progress.
So it’s too soon to tell, MyGirl. Please stay tuned, as I’m sure you will.
In the meantime, I’m very thankful to you and the other commenters on this one. All of your perspectives have been invaluable.
I’m not all the way there yet, but I’m closer than I was when I first posted this article.
Now, regarding Philip Haney: It could be the Dark Powers don’t care to hide anything anymore. Or it could be they’re desperate to the point of outright sloppiness. Because Haney warned his friend that something might happen to him. A friend who just so happens to be a “radio host, author and speaker” with a Twitter account? Oops
The Swamp dwellers don’t need to hide anymore. They control the courts, the media and the alphabet agencies. All the punks like Comey and McCabe get passes while Stone and the General are hung out to dry for….what? Lying to a kangaroo court style Inquisition?
Haney was ordered to erase all those radical Muslims from the alphabet agency lists, didn’t want to reveal how the DHS etc. were supporting the terrorists. Wonder how much $$ was funneled to ISIS?
i dont think this will post but wanted to remind you the data only exists if they let it exist
Be wary of any numbers from WHO or CDC. They’re all estimates, not fact-based science. When they say X# died from the Flu what they’re really saying is X# died of pneumonia or COPD and they think that was caused by the Flu.
Coronavirus causes pneumonia, it is a symptom of the virus.
It is an illness that causes an inflammatory response that kills in various ways.
Strangely enough , Asians have more receptors in their cells that can allow
the coronavirus to invade their bodies.
The illness is spreading to other countries, and is a serious worry , in my mind…
Pneumonia itself is not contagious; Pneumonia is essentially a reaction the body has to some insult to the lungs. There are plenty of causes of Pneumonia that are not contagious. My brother died last year of Aspiration pneumonia. There was never any fear that anyone was going to catch the pneumonia from him even though people were all around him up to the end.
You can’t think of Pneumonia as a thing, it is the cause of the Pneumonia that makes all the difference in the world. Some causes of pneumonia are more deadly than others, some infectious and some not . If old man Bill next door gets pneumonia and dies, Oh well, too bad for old Bill, but if old bill died from pneumonia caused by some highly infectious virus and his wife and half the neighborhood are now infected and in the hospital and now in critical condition, then that’s a problem.
Bullshit. Pneumonia is absolutely contagious. In multiple ways. Including airborne aspiration.
Pneumonia can be caused by inhaling toxic fumes. That is neither viral or bacterial, so how is that contagious?
Pneumonia caused by organisms, like coronaviruses or various bacteria, is contagious.
Did you know the longest English word included in dictionaries is a medical term for pneumonia caused by volcanic ash?
Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
I don’t know what you’re disagreeing with me about. YES if the underlying cause of the pneumonia is highly contagious then the pneumonia is HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS.
Pneumonia caused by a highly contagious virus or bacteria is highly contagious. The pneumonia will be as contagious as the underlining cause. Did you even read what I wrote?
Yeah we’re on the same page. I was responding to what I thought you were saying instead of what I now realize you were actually saying. My bad
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Fleabo and I had a discussion on the la différence between a mercy fuque and a pity fuque. I argued that a mercy one may be the first while a pity one is definitely the last.
This video from Eyes Wide Open nails the “why now?” of Coronavirus™
https://youtu.be/_Rt7OpUxsE4
The follow-up to above video (suitable for evening or pre sunrise am viewing):
https://youtu.be/j4R_JG6KMeY
Btw great article Doug!
Most indications tell me this is an engineered “crisis” which allowed for medical-marshall-law of the CCP’s Deep State to cure Hong Kong & mainland China of the growing “virus” of dissidents…….
@ 4th Turner,
I watched 10:17 AM vid earlier today and now just watched the one you posted at 8:33 PM. Whoa. That is one heck of a trippy 12-minute ride, right there.
The cell-phone footage of the crackdown in China is the real suppressed news.
And, COVID-19 as C(see) the Void? – 2 movie trailers about a film with apparent Luciferian / occult undertones and this quote:
“Statistically, you’re more likely to die in a hospital than anywhere, else”
And, if I had ever heard of this quote at the end of the vid, I would have included it in the article.
Might be in the next one. Thanks for posting
u should include it… what a trip
holee cheet
As someone who deals daily with the modeling and simulation of uncertain outcomes, I can say that from my perspective it does not appear that the “death rate” is being accurately reported. Here are the latest stats I could find –
1) Reported Infections – 75,779
2) Reported Deaths – 2,130
3) Reported Recoveries – 16,917
Now, of the 75,779 reported cases there has been an outcome – i.e., either a recovery or a death – for only 16,917 + 2,130 = 19,407 cases. Therefore, 75,779 – 19,407 = 56,372 reported cases have, technically, not progressed to an outcome of either recovery or death. Despite this, these 56,372 “to be determined” outcomes are used in calculating the apparently GoalSeeked near constant death rate of around 2.1%, which is technically incorrect when assessing final outcomes from uncertain inputs. The effect of this calculation method is to essentially count “non-outcomes” as “non-deaths”, thus reducing the death rate for more palatable public consumption.
The correct calculation of the death rate would use only confirmed outcomes – i.e., either the patient recovers or the patient dies – it’s a binary at this point as no data are available for a third outcome – relapse, and its associated recover / die outcome. Thus, the revised coronavirus death rate is in reality 2,130 / (2,130 + 16,917) x 100 = 11.2%, which to me seems like pretty scary stuff and leaves little wonder why fake statistics are employed.
Yes, You’re correct. Everyone has been calculating this all wrong to come up with this 3% number.
Hyper & ASIG,
The common consensus is that China’s efforts to contain Coronavirus® has been an abject failure. Therefore, how could anyone possibly know the true rate of actual cases? Especially – considering the virus allegedly survives on surfaces for two weeks?
Very likely, the number of people carrying Coronavirus® is far higher than the “reported” number of 75,779.
In other words, how many unreported cases are there globally? And – how many are actually carrying coronaviruses that haven’t been officially rebranded as of yet into Coronavirus®?
My speculation is that the actual death rate is likely below 3% (excluding the elderly and others with compromised immune systems). If so, then Coronavirus® would qualify as a manufactured media event.
Again, maybe I’m wrong. And as I stated in the piece above: “at least for now, the death rate from healthy skepticism remains low.”
For now.
We’ll see
I agree that the stats are likely bogus. My experience working with Chinese in corporate environment is that if they are covering something up then that something is bad, and if they admit to something bad then that something is bad by an order of magnitude than they admit. My point was that even bogus stats point out a grim situation.
Chinese reporting numbers are all lies – the entire country Goal Seeks everything and always meets CCP objectives in the consolidated statement. E.g., the little 4,200 person company I worked for 6-1/2 years – Sinopec International – was a GSE spinoff created to domicile over USD $700 bln in non-performing corporate debt that never got reported to the NYSE (they are multi exchange listed) but inadvertently snuck some times into corporate presentations at Beijing level.
These guys always fudge numbers in the direction that achieves Party objectives – so, my inclination is to think they are grossly under-reporting cases and deaths, like classifying cause of death as pneumonia, or a new case as “respiratory infection”. And granted, in the big scheme of things these are small numbers but like you said, we’ll see. To my strategic thinking side this is a virus with a political motivation, and that motivation is severe the Chinese supply chain, starve China of US dollars, drive the country into insolvency, and trigger political collapse.
We’ve already tried the Bride of Frankenstein solution with these guys, now its on to torches and pitchfork solutions.
If they are underreporting infected, they are underreporting dead as well.
Seems Iran may have some covid19 issues, a man who never traveled to China, was 60 and had no pre-existing conditions died of the virus. His brother, a doctor, was perplexed.
There are lots and lots of reasons for governments to hide the real numbers and deny. The big reason is loss of revenue and panic. Who wants to eat out if doing so is going to make you sick? No business, no taxes, no salary for bureaucrat.
You want some norovirus? If you were confronted with a situation where the spread of norovirus was ongoing and growing, would you blow off any concerns and run around touching stuff and then touching your face? Would you call anyone who had such a concern a hysteric?
Agree with the concept that you have to look at deaths vs resolved cases as opposed to counting unresolved cases in mortality rates. The criticism that China’s numbers are lowballed is also certainly true…PRC’s actions are inconsistent with their reports, and I believe their actions.
I make guesses about how ‘off’ the PRC numbers are, then make calculations off of that.
My SWAG is the actual cases (combining known but underreported, and unknown) is by a factor of 5 (reported are 20% of actual). That could be materially worse, but doesn’t actually affect death rate calcs. My swag is that the deaths are off by a factor of 2 (reported are 50% of actual, harder to hide than cases) and recovered are off by a factor of 4 (mostly due to cases unknown to authorities as opposed to under reporting good news).
Feel free to make your own assumptions and adjustments. Mine are reasonable guesses, but certainly not ‘correct’ with any sort of precision. Those assumptions lead to an death rate of about 6%. It is almost certainly both above 2.3% and below 11%, at least for people where the medical system is not overwhelmed (where you can get a ventilator to help you breath, supplemental oxygen, pneumonia treatment, secondary problems managed etc).
In places where the medical system is in collapse (Wuhan) the death rate may be closer to 11%. There seems to be about a 20% serious complication rate, and if those complications are properly managed, more than 3 out of 4 should survive. For regular flu, the small percentage with serious complications have about a 9 out of 10 survival rate. If those complications are not managed, perhaps half or maybe even 3 out of 4 might pass away.
Given the infectivity and number of cases, it is already too late to complete ‘shut this down’ and have it burn out the way SARS or west african ebola is not a thing anymore. That is on ‘Dr Tedros’ and the WHO and him discouraging drastic action when it could have helped, as well as the criminal mismanagement of the plague ship in Yokohama. It will be a global pandemic at this point, and the best we can do is manage the speed down as much as possible to hopefully keep the medical system functioning in as many places as possible so that those with complications mostly live as opposed to mostly die. But expect regional and local flare ups for at least a year and a half until there is (hopefully) a safe and effective vaccine. At that point we may be able to manage it down into going away, but this virus will be going around the globe and killing people for at least 3 years, and potentially forever.
The regular flu kills 0.07% of cases. This is at least 20x worse, and potentially 50x or 100x worse. America should at this point be setting up ‘confirmed corona only’ hospitals with the PPE, protocols, perhaps by the military and along the lines of a MASH. We should be trying to isolate this from our ‘regular’ medical system as much as possible while being able to provide the care to make sure those with serious complications survive.
I don’t see us doing the things we should be doing, but the CDC has studies to support gun control!
Your evaluation is the best I’ve seen yet, very much in line with what I’m seeing.
@ Rather Not Say,
I enjoyed your comment very much. Thank you.
You wrote:
That is a very thought-provoking statement, as there does seem to be a Chinese fire-drill going on over there (pun intended). And if it were fake news, then why? On the other hand, there is no free press in China so… what prevented a complete cover-up? The western media doing there job for once? Highly unlikely, in my opinion.
Additionally, when, by your estimated calculations, you come up with a 6 to 11% mortality rate – I don’t believe the flu would be an apt comparison. Instead, if we compare to Aspiration Pneumonia, the mortality rate is claimed to be 21% overall, 29% hospital-associated, and 30-62% in “older, sicker patients”.
Just my thoughts
Perhaps they tire of trading goods for promises and Coronavirus is their pretext for stopping, with all the attendant financial chaos.
It becomes difficult to see who would benefit more the CCP or .gov.
And domestically, it is difficult to divine who benefits more as well, Trump and his Trade plan or his enemies and their sanction dreams.
Trump has relayed “hype” messaging on multiple occasions, and the DOW elevates, maybe Xi is off the reservation.
Herbert’s Guild Master said it best….I see plans within plans..
Why would a government that will not control its borders set up any kind of quarantine within the country? There are twenty flights from China landing in the US today.
What sense does that make?
It is either a hoax or they deliberately infected the entire nation.
Those are the only two options.
Exactly. It doesn’t smell, right. Does it
… and what of flights from Toyko, and Seoul?
Because of money/greed.
In a communist country all statistics are fake.
In a communist country the news is fake too.
In a communist country the one thing that is always real is the death…its the methods they lie about.
I suppose that is evidence that we are living in a communist country ? Damn sure all our gov’t stats are faked.
About 0.8% of the population dies each year, or 2,400,000 Americans.
80,oo0 people in the U.S. died from the flu in 2018, a very bad flu year.
This represents about 3% of all deaths per year in the U.S.
Assuming the same rate in China, roughly 400,000 Chinese die of flu in a bad flu year.
If the number of deaths from CoronaVirus in China rises to 400,000 that would double the deaths from flu.
800,000 Chinese deaths from flu — both regular & corona — would increase total annual deaths in China from about 12 million to about 12.8 million this year … a 7% increase over normal. Meaning that the total deaths per year would increase from 0.8% of the population per year to 0.856% of the population this year.
When the death rate in a given year doubles due to a “pandemic”, I’ll freak out … and not before.
There have been, so far, over 2000 deaths from coronavirus. When it hits 12000000000 in China alone, let me know.
Good point. I’m also hearing that getting it a second time could result in a much greater chance of death. It’s not worth panicking over right now for us in the states, but keeping an eye on.
Doug, a good assessment of the situation we find ourselves in:
I would never have believed there could be so much confusion about what is going on with all the communications technology each of us has at our fingertips.
It is proof that the Word is indeed powerful and it should remind us all how very important it is to maintain some real face-to-face or at least voice-to-voice communication networks in place.
No one mentions the Tuskegee Airmen without praising their fine skills in war, but the real purpose of their inclusion is far more sinister:
Two famous Tuskegee Experiments were conducted in the small town of Tuskegee, Alabama between 1932 and 1972.
Who around here thinks TPTB wouldn’t do it to the rest of us too?
Good point, Maggie. It’s just one example of our benevolent gubbermint doing experiments on unsuspecting civilians. We are just cattle to them.
Ok, what does that have to do with the airmen? Did they infect the airmen in hopes that they would spread syphilis? You said their inclusion was sinister, but you didn’t say why. You only added an excerpt about an experiment in the same city.
I think it was a way of muddying the waters. If you want something to disappear it’s much easier to bury it beneath a mountain of data than it is to remove it from existence. Now when people google “Tuskegee” they are 100 times more likely to find flattering pieces on the airmen than on the STD experiments.
Just a guess.
And there’s just no way to say anything negative about the TuskegeeAirmen experiment without treading on racism, is there?
We all know how terrible it is to suggest anything that might be construed as racist.
Well, the entire experiment followed the intentionally infected members of the maintenance unit of the airmen for decades. They infected them to study the disease and “supposedly” develop a cure. They did, but they didn’t give it to them, at least not until they got caught.
And, yes, the twofold nature of the Experiment of the Tuskegee Airmen is a muddy issue. Social engineering and Social Disease engineering all in one package.
Here’s the deal… the guys from the maintenance unit were selected for the experiment and transferred there. What better cover for a terrible crime than a special situation that was beyond reproach…
B
The Tuskegee Airmen and the Tuskegee syphilis experiment are two entirely different things and totally unrelated.
you are right… the name Tuskegee refers to the Tuskegee university (black) and that is the connection that causes people to muddy the waters.
The syphillis experiment actually started earlier, in the 30s, but in my reading it seems some of the maintenance workers for the airmen were included in the syphillis experiment.
My point was mostly that the term Tuskegee and social experiment brings to mind the glory of the Tuskegee Airmen and not the horror of the Syphillis experiment.
Penicillin isn’t effective in 2nd-stage syphilis, and the negro males were all at that point or beyond.
Is it real or a marketing event? What difference does it make? It makes a big difference. If it affects non-Asians the way it affects Asians, it’s a cataclysm. And it’s a cataclysm already in China.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/china-deploys-40-mobile-incinerators-wuhan-report
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-deaths-outside-china-surge-overnight-explosion-new-cases-suggests-outbreak
No one who does biz with China “gets out of here alive”, even if they escape infection.
About 300 people die every minute of every day, every week, every month, every year. More are born than die and all die from many different circumstances.
So? Your point is we’re all going to die so go lick doorknobs and make yourself sick and why bother to take precautions because….death?
+1 Fear porn.
-1 Corona Virus is a Global Black Swan Event (planned or unplanned).
Please vote in the daily CV poll…
You need a 3rd choice because I think it’s both.
Ok, we all know GovCo WILL LIE to further it’s own ends. That’s common knowledge here.
I’ll say it once again…..
Are you willing to bet your life that you know which side GovCo is lying on?
Me, I think spending $100 on some M95 masks and rubber gloves at Home Depot is worth the peace of mind. I’ve also picked up some colloidal silver and potassium iodide (which I’d been meaning to do anyways). A few extra cans of food and 10/20 lbs or so of rice/pasta, all of which I’ll use anyway is no biggie.
Just sayin’
Just Sayin’ states…
Exactly. If it were real, wouldn’t the government(s) and its propaganda arm (i.e. the Orwellian Media) be COVERING IT UP? Especially in a tightly-controlled communist nation. How hard would it be?
Unless Coronavirus® was soooooo bad (with it’s horrendously terrifying 2% death-rate) that it simply could NOT be covered up; even in a tightly-controlled communist nation. Or maybe it was because the Orwellian Media are amazingly talented Johnny-on-the-spot Edward R. Murrow-style sleuths who got the story right this time. Now that would be a real conspiracy theory right there, wouldn’t it?
Supposedly, 5 million people FLED Wuhan before the official announcement. Maybe (roughly) 1/2 the population running away was something they couldn’t hide.
‘supposedly’ is a super special magic word.
I wasn’t there to see it, so supposedly is accurate.
But WHAT IF the GovCo CAN’T lie about it with any credulity? The MSM is just now discussing ideas that got ZHedge kicked off twitter over 2 weeks ago, which suggests that “alt” media is WAY ahead of the curve . . . while the MSM downplayed, hushed, kaboshed, and “toe’d the line” that all is well because CDC and WHO say so; the cruise ships are not stealth bombers; China has it contained, and all the bats are testing ‘recovered”, so, please, buy on credit sh*t you don’t need, and get your damn vaccine when we tell you.
The above reasons are why I think they want this to happen; Zika was the end of the f*n world two years ago, but this, oh, this is NOTHING.
And Event 201 was interesting timing, too.
2 percent of 4 billion (assuming half the population catches this thing) is still 80,000,000. A zero here, a zero there, and pretty soon, it’s real numbers.
80million is less than one year’s worth of net pop. growth, so not a population decline.
The response is going to kill more people than the virus, at the rate they are going.
Your post would carry more impact if you would quit relying on fake news media for your references. New York Times, Wall Street Journal, CNN, etc. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that they print can be trusted, and yet here you are linking and quoting their bullshit. Otherwise, a good read for an open mind.
Anon says:
But that’s the point. Besides, many of the embedded links connect to alternative websites as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE264wCugRk
I grabbed this excerpt from the 1996 Telecommunications Act, which changed a lot of things about the communications industry. The FCC sort of gave up its role as a monitor on content and decided its role was to make sure universal service continued to evolve as technology evolved.
The major discussion then, when I was actually in the JSchool down at OU before it became Gaylord College of Media Mogulism, was whether the law would cause the consolidation of different news agencies until there was complete obfuscation of news.
Requires all carriers providing interstate telecommunications services to contribute to the preservation and advancement of universal service.
(is it just me, or does that seem to limit the access to the market?)
Authorizes the FCC to exempt a carrier or class of carriers if their contribution would be “de minimis.”
(and, just in case they did have the resources to try without Federal support? Denied a license as being minimal contribution.)
Provides that only designated eligible carriers shall be eligible to receive specific Federal universal service support.
(and not only that? a bureaucracy who decides who is eligible.)
In the summer of 2019 the Chinese government mandated that EVERYONE be vaccinated while also promising that those who corrupted or sold tainted vaccines would be severely punished. The mandatory vaccines were administered Dec. 2019. Prior to the law there were several scandals:
‘It is one of the largest public health scandals to hit China since the discovery of melamine-tainted baby formula in 2008. Changsheng Biotechnology, based in China’s northern province of Jilin, was found to have sold 250,000 defective vaccines. It also fabricated inspections dating back to 2014. Another major vaccine maker, the state-owned Wuhan Institute of Biological Products, was also producing faulty inoculations for infants.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/12/china-vaccine-scandal-crackdown-activists-beaten-disappear
What were those vaccinations, what was in those vaccinations? Interesting that the vaccination program coincides with the outbreak of Covid-19 in Wuhan and Hubei province.
“According to the Law, China is to implement a state immunization program, and residents living within the territory of China are legally obligated to be vaccinated with immunization program vaccines, which are provided by the government free of charge. Local governments and parents or other guardians of children must ensure that children be vaccinated with the immunization program vaccines (art. 6).
The Law establishes a compensation system for abnormal reactions to vaccination. A recipient of an immunization program vaccine who dies or suffers significant disability or organ and tissue damage is to be paid from the vaccination funds of the provincial level government if the damage falls within the scope of abnormal reactions associated with a vaccine or cannot be prevented (art. 56).”
The Law will take effect on December 1, 2019 (art. 100).
https://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/china-vaccine-law-passed/
Mygirl…Maybe
Very interesting…
Anon’s comment would carry more weight if we knew who he was. We could be interacting with shady Russian gay mafiosi.
Not really.
Listen, of course your realize that was me.
Here’s what I think is happening, from watching that hideous One Child China documentary again and again, watching behavior of the people and their nonverbals.
Then, I looked into Google’s role in China. You see, the same algorithms used to index and filter everything on our world wide web have been specialized for use by the CCP to control their population by SMART phone technology.
How do you think you make an entire population stay in their homes? Well, first of all, you need a way to track them.
Then, you tell them to stay inside.
Then, you tell the world what you want to tell them because Google will help you with misinformation and censorship as well as rat them out if they leave their homes without permission.
US TOO, eventually.
Mylar bags are supposed to work, but I may start putting my old microwave in my car so I can carry my phone.
Let’s just all go crazy.
MG:
I use my work phone about once a month, even with the phone turned “off”
the battery would be dead after a week of continually pinging my location to every cell tower everywhere. I began to keep it (and my personal phone because fuck you thats why) in a small surplus ammo can and after a full year I still had half a battery on it. Wow. While more convenient than a microwave
(don’t get me started, throw it out) still a little bulky so I may order this product.
It’s a very common investigative technique to eavesdrop and watch through a cell phone, just saying.
https://money.cnn.com/2014/06/06/technology/security/nsa-turn-on-phone/
and my personal phone because fuck you thats why
Upvoted!!!
This is serious shit going on. Thanks for that, Blaine… I think I’ll put the ammo box in the back of my jeep. No kidding on dead batteries from all the pinging. People have no idea what’s going on…
I’m trying to combine three documentaries I’ve watched into one review. It’s been bothering me ever since mark wrote the piece on DEW and then, when I saw the reference to Wuhan being completely 5G’d last summer, it made me realize how easy it would be to make a population completely obedient if they really did believe the Party could change the law just like that.
Because in China, someone always tells because the Party pays people to tell.
Hubei province is also the ‘seat” of the 5g rollout in China. Just fyi. Am sure it helps with the “lockdown”, even if what we are seeing is an actual outbreak and not, oh,
*tinfoil hat*
radiation related.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-05/27/c_138094302.htm
One thing seems to be certain about the effect this coronavirus is having on China. China is self destructing. The immediate affects being felt around the world is lower fuel prices. What is coming next as a result of all this will come out in about 60 more days.
We really don’t know the total story of what is going on inside China except that we can see that the government is in a state of panic. And remember the government is the head of the dragon.
It is crazy how an abject change in behavior can influence an occasion when panic sets in. People not going to work has brought the economy to a stand still. This will bring consequences for China and the world of corporations who depend on their output.
I think a black swan has arrived.
Good post Uncola.
Since one of my ancestors died from Pneumonia I take it seriously. I think most agree that this Corona thing appears to be a bioweapon that mutates. Scary enough for me.
This is one of the few sensible articles I’ve read about this coronavirus. I’m sorry to say that many in the alternative media are swallowing the official propaganda hook, line, and sinker. Much of it is driven by animus toward’s China’s repressive government. The commentary reflects political bias and peddles unproven claims, two things the alternative media has often excoriated its targets for doing. Unlike Doug’s fine article, the only “hard” questions being asked are ones from the apocalyptic, anti-Chinese government perspective. The Saker had a good article that probed the hysteria. I’ll be posting that article and this one tonight. My bet is that Zero Hedge, one of the prime purveyors of hysteria and the hypothesis that the virus came from a Wuhan lab (they may be right about that, or it my have come from an American lab, we’ll probably never know for sure), will not repost this article. Good job, Doug.
Thank you, Robert.
The ‘hysteria’ over this had been rather low key up until recently. The MSM was all over impeachment and democrats and Oscars and assorted and sundry stupid stuff and very few were even mentioning the virus. Compared to Ebola and all the fol-de-rol over that, this virus was barely tapping the surface. Now it’s garnering attention from the MSM and for those who still think this is a hoax or the flu, well, there’s no way to convince those who suffer from cog-dis.
Even after China shut down over half the population in the country, very few paid attention to the virus and most were comparing it to the seasonal flu. People don’t usually die immediately in a pandemic, instead there is a gradual accumulation of sick in the population and that accumulation of sick is what overwhelms the systems. There are only x amount of hospital beds in a country and when a virulent virus or disease manifests those beds are easily overwhelmed, especially when added to the burden of non viral ailments and injuries.
Even now, on the “Front” page of MSN . . . not even if you scroll down to the health section, Covid19 is not even mentioned.
https://www.msn.com/
Damn, watching that Stand opening reminded me of the dream I had just before the outbreak in China was reported. Lots of crows in that dream. I won’t get into the text of the dream except to say it made me real uneasy when I woke up.
Happened:
https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2020/02/giant-flocks-of-crows-and-huge-mosquitoes-seen-near-coronavirus-center/
Yeah, I saw those videos of the crows and really freaked out. The dream had crows flying in circles and forming symbols (shapes) in almost runic form. Then the crows landed and one very large crow flew at me, I could see it’s eye staring at me and as it flew off I saw streams of white fecal matter on it’s feathers. The other creepy thing was there was a huge stone wall that acted as a backdrop for the birds…and yes, I do at times have prescient dreams. My sister says I am scary that way.
Mygirl….Maybe
Yeah, that’s got a pretty high “creep” factor.
Check out this creepy video.
UN Troops Featured in World Military Games in Wuhan China Weeks Before Coronavirus Outbreak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE8m309gKVE
* birds at 6:20*
Extra bonus: Flat earth material @ 3:33
Keep calm and keep growing
Flat earther crashed and burned in Barstow.
Yeah, it’s that ‘nothing-to-see-here’ attitude of the scoffers contrasted to the obvious panic of the Chinese authorities that raises my antennae. What do those Chinese authorities know that they’re not saying? Kind of like the oh-you-can-get-reinfected-and-drop-down-dead hint that was tried out: the secondary, cascading effects — which apparently still afflict Western victims of the earlier SARS. I wonder at the report that the virus was ‘improved’ as a bioweapon and that such tinkering can target specific genotypes. My neighbours (in Canada) are rolling their eyes obediently at all the hoopla. Me, I’m wondering why there are no reports of infection in Africa when the continent is swarming with Chinese. I’m also wondering at the chart that says Africans are far down on the genome chart of the most susceptible populations. And I’m also thinking that Africa has a lot of natural resources that everyone else in the world is determined to get for themselves, notably the Chinese, Europeans, Americans, how ain’t none of those cultures philanthropists, and of how restrained history has shown is the urge in our species to lebensraum, and greed. Me, I’m glad I’m not African. And me, if I had a bunker, even here in Canada, I’d be in it.
I believe that most “Western victims of SARS” were ethnic Chinese in Toronto.
Oh, please read after, ‘I’m also wondering at the chart that says Africans are far down on the genome chart of the most susceptible populations’ — but the virus reportedly has been weaponized with HIV insertions! WTF? Isn’t 30% of the population of sub-Saharan Africa reportedly HIV positive? The only other population in which a substantial number are HIV positive is gay males and there’s no geographical /economic incentive in going after such a widely scattered group.
Ruby.
According to the scientist in the video that Mary posted, the HIV part was grafted in to give it a greater ability to stick to lung cells to increase contagion and lethality.
It acts as a type of grappling hook. He explains it in the first 20 minutes so you don’t have to wade through the whole thing.
I can’t get audio on my laptop. 🙁
Ruby.
No sweat, my description is close enough, if someone wants confirmation they can go to the site. It’s not the entire AIDS virus, just a small splice of a certain part.
The “virus” is nothing more than the common cold if that. It is the agenda that is very real.
OK, Blondie. How in heck do you justify shutting down and entire country for the sake of one silly hoax?
So they can pick and choose who to kill, silly little Red Riding Hood.
Just like here.
Big Red, is that you?
no
no
It’s impossible to do anything but speculate. Speculation and discussion are what we do here, right? There is no reason to panic if you prepare. But this will affect us. Maybe not healthwise so much but when everything we buy is from China and they are not producing, it will affect us.
Someone brought up some things that China makes that you don’t even think about. Liquids that are produced here are stored in plastic bottles that China produces. My husband was telling me that his employer is already unable to get new laptops for people that they are hiring. What else do they produce that we don’t think about? Cardboard? How do you ship anything if you can’t get cardboard?
If you need beans… the rocket scientist can haul them next trip.
By the way, Mary…
The big #10 cans the Mormons used to let us pack all the dry good in? Not so easy to get now. I think they package it all in, gasp, PLASTIC now.
I gave most of the beans to the food pantry.
What doesn’t come in plastic? Or at least part of the packaging is plastic? My thyroid meds are made here but the bottle is plastic. I can’t just stop taking those. I can wean off of them but my Hashimotos will start to get worse. I can stock up on maybe 6 months worth.
I know… EVERYTHING is plastic now. It is really weird because the mines are still operating, aren’t they?
I know they still mine for clay in the foothills (gotta have kitty litter!) but do they still mine for industrial metals?
MC says:
Amen, sister. It is the lack of preparedness that generates panic. Or, at the very least, greatly increases the odds of potential panic at exactly the wrong time. It’s common sense. In virtually every scenario, assurance is always worth the price of insurance.
You have to hope that China really does get this under control in due time. Maybe it will burn out in a month or so. On the other hand, it could take the CCP down. See? More speculation.
Now it’s they who are living the Chinese Curse.
They are shutting down Beijing, in technical terms it is known as painting yourself into a corner.
MC,
If my speculation is correct, Coronavirus® will lessen in direct proportion to this graph showing sunshine hours in Wuhan, China:
Why?
Let’s see what happens.
I agree with your basic premise that sunshine and as a result raising Vit D levels should help, however I believe a major contributing factor is the pollution levels in China. Wuhan is quite a ways inland, surrounded by mountains and is at an elevation of about 100ft. Sunlight won’t get thru to do any good.
So Shanghai is a dark and cold environment? Amusing how many people believe that eating special diets and soaking in sunlight will ward off a highly contagious and possibly bio-engineered virus.
Here, for edification, is an article by CNN which details life in Shanghai during this ‘special’ time.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/20/asia/shanghai-coronavirus-china-economy-intl-hnk/index.html
CNN? Really?
Read the article? Sometimes a broke clock tells the time…two times a day….
Retards given medical licenses .The epidemic almost no one talks about.
“Now comes a study in the current issue of the Journal of Patient Safety that says the numbers may be much higher — between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year who go to the hospital for care suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death, the study says.
That would make medical errors the third-leading cause of death in America, behind heart disease, which is the first, and cancer, which is second. ”
https://www.propublica.org/article/how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-us-hospitals
There is a reason they call medicine a practice.
Yes . I’ve experienced some of that ” practice” and know many others who’ve been physically damaged, even killed as well.
Continual care not cure
CYA
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCddn8dUxYdgJz3Qr5mjADtA
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Medical licensing is moving to “pass/fail” because: racism.
First, you have to believe that the leaders of the largest economies of the world:
1. want to keep these positions
2. will do anything to keep these positions
3. do talk and plan with each other
4. do create theater for the masses to cover up the first 3 points
Once you are following this line of thinking, then it is easier to connect the dots:
1. the economies have never recovered from 2008
2. the printing presses will stop being effective in masking this in short order because all systems eventually reach equilibrium
3. in order to be ahead of number 2, a controlled demolition allows those who pull the levers to properly position their capital before the crash
This is just history repeating again, another black swan event to reset the numbers (like 1999, 2008) and allow the .001% to consolidate even more hard assets.
do your self a favor, go to cash, so when the market tanks, you can re-buy the same ponies at a lower price point.
I read a note I wrote to myself in 2013, at that time the Dow was at 16k, but the rest of the note (.gov is corrupt, health care cost is rising, they want to take our guns, our cash, etc) read as if I wrote it today.
nothing changes, except the faces on the playing cards, the game is still the same.
OMG are all you people so math challenged that you can’t see the flaw in this article. A 2% death rate is BS. You can’t take number of dead (1400) and divide by the number infected (64000), Why? Because that would mean that out of the rest of the 64000 no one else is going to die.
Let me give an example:
Let’s calculate the graduation rate for school system grades 1 thru 12. There are 100 students in each of the 12 grades for a total of 1200 students. Each and every year 90 of the 100 students in the 12th grade graduate. You divide the number that graduated (90) by the number that complete the full 12 years of school (100) That would give you a graduation rate of 90% for this school system. You don’t divide the 90 by the 1200 that are in the school system because that would give you a graduation rate of 7.5%; you do your calculation using the numbers that have COMPLEATED the process, not the numbers that are still in the process.
It would be more accurate to look at numbers dead compared to number recovered. As an example I just checked and of right now the total deaths are 2,130 and the total recovered are 16,856 so of the cases that have had a resolution one way or the other 11% died and 89% recovered.
Math is not the strong point for most people. There are roughly 1.4BILLION people in China. 744000 (seven hundred and forty four MILLION) people die EVERY MONTH under normal conditions. A couple thousand people dying is not even statistically significant. There would have to be millions of people dying in short order in a population that large to warrant ANY notice from the CCP. Whether one gets this or not is probably not even a big deal but the governmental response is going to be atrocious. Get right with your maker and work on being part of the solution not a contributor to the problem.
Holy shit!! Using your numbers and doing some simple math;
744,000,000
+ 744,000,000
————
1,488,000,000
Therefore, the ENTIRE population of China will be dead by May 1, 2020.
Looks like Jil’s pail is empty.
See? You have a natural gift for fling, lumberjack.
Nothing compares to you.
Am so glad to see you able to pop on and comment. And post.
Is mags, messing with you know who…
~8billion times 0.8% (0.008) = 64,000,000 per YEAR
Still, it’s been 2 months since the outbreak started. If every single one of the currently infected dies, we’d have 80+ thousand deaths. Not even a rounding error, globally.
It’s almost March. Then, it will be April. And, by mid-May no one will remember this.
There will be a new attention-sucking shitstorm that, whether real or invented, will provide cover for other things the Globalists are up to.
you just did what you criticize others for doing —
“of the cases that have had a resolution one way or the other”
then, you posit a hyperbolic 11% death rate without waiting for “resolution” of the remaining 60,000+ cases.
OMG simple logic is not you strong suit is it.
I am a doctor and things are not adding up. Wuhan and the quarantined cruise ship makes me think this thing should have already started to explode outside China, especially in surrounding countries. Yet not so much. WTF is really going on? I guess time will tell.
The reason there are no new cases in the US of people having tested positive for the virus is obvious if you know where to look. The answer Is hiding in plain sight and as a matter of fact is right there on the CDCs web page.
You’re not going to get anyone testing positive for the virus IF NO ONE IS TESTED. it’s that simple. Look at the criteria for testing someone for the virus, First they have to have the appropriate symptoms, OK good so far, next they MUST have either recently traveled to china OR have known contact with someone who recently traveled to China. Otherwise they will not be tested.
So let’s say someone has the virus but has no idea how they got it, and are showing all the symptoms of having the virus but they haven’t traveled to China and have no contact with anyone from china, they will not be tested and so obviously not be counted.
Take a look for youself.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/identify-assess-flowchart.html
Isn’t that lovely. Well there’s 2 ways to decipher this. One, Covid19 is not the Booger Man they’re making it out to be. Two, Georgia Guidestones population purge.
My belief is that TPTB (CDC, Government) have come to the conclusion that there is no way to stop the spread, it’s too late for that. I believe they’ve already concluded that even healthcare workers will become infected. There are plenty of examples of that already. So what good is testing at that point? The only thing left is to let it burn thru the population. Notice they’ve mobilized the military to prepare for full blown pandemic (just in case).
I recall when the expression was ‘full blown AIDS’ to say somebody had contracted AIDS. I suppose when you say full blown pandemic, you mean a lot more people than the current 15. This is like a watershed moment isn’t it? Soon, people won’t say ‘full blown pandemic’ they will simply say pandemic.
“Georgia Guidestones population purge”
Well, at 2000 dead so far, it would have to get almost four MILLION times worse in order to be what the Guidestones call for. If they manage a viral purge, let’s hope they’re incompetent enough to have a purge this shitty.
Maggie.
In that same report the CDC said it will have national surveillance before long.
Listen, Fleabaggs, I just watched a series of documentary/dramas about this (including Un-Vaxxed but you won’t find it on Google. You have to have the freaking URL. http://revolutiontelevision.net/video/un-vaxxed-a-docu-commentary-for-robert-de-niro/)
Now, the host of the video has been smeared as a “skeptic” and crazy but who hasn’t? Seriously, I’ve watched the whole thing a couple times to make sure I’m not seeing what I want to see. I’ve got time pointers to specific comments with screen shots to point to the evidence presented. (In many cases, there are physical documents shown that I believe to be legit.) While some of the evidence may indeed be “out of context”, he indeed has a leading research Doctor from Merck laughing on camera about using monkeys routed through Spain to avoid customs and later finding out those monkeys carried the AIDS virus in. The entire meeting erupted with laughter. I took a screenshot and a short video with my phone of that.)
So, Robert de Niro’s kid gets his “recommended” vaccinations and turns from normal into a head-banging autistic type, from what I grasp. He sponsors and directs VAXXED, then gets counseled by people at the Tribeca Film Festival to pull the film.
So. He. Did.
Now, it is not available on Amazon.
Isn’t that bizarre?
So, they already have it if you carry your Android phone around with you. It is ALWAYS recording where you are and where you go. Even if it is off.
And gmail does an auto backup of even drafts. Even drafts. Is why I have so many gmail accounts there’s no telling what’s in my file. Even some of paula’s crap is probably in my file. They’ll never take me alive.
Those devils have managed to get their little algorithms into all sorts of places
Maggie.
I was agreeing with you. I thought adding that line would substantiate your comment.
It did, but it also sent me off on a tear. LOL
And they marry that data to computers smarter than any of us…
Is the time bomb starting to explode?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-deaths-outside-china-surge-overnight-explosion-new-cases-suggests-outbreak
Listen to the CDC official announcement, of course they try to put the best spin on it to down play the seriousness as much as possible but essentially she is saying in no uncertain terms that the best they can do is to try to slow down the spread. In other words they know it will continue to spread and there is no stopping it.
“Best thing you can do is wash your hands”. Yep, that will take care of it.
You ever try to wash you hands at one of the sinks that is automatic? Sometimes they work and sometimes they don’t. This is usually the case in a restaurant, right by the sign that says “employees must wash their hands”. When they do work, they turn off before you are done, or they spray a little tiny sprinkle of water that does almost nothing to clean your hands. Then there is a crappy blow dryer that sprays the germs still on your hands all over the bathroom.
Carry Clorox wipes with you.
Then there is a crappy blow dryer that blows methane infused air on your hands.
Germ X hand sanitizer is my friend. Won’t leave the house without it or my CCW
Cow doc: My assumption is that you’re a vet. Am I correct? If so then let us look at disease in swine and chickens. How do they start? Do you initially have one or two who begin to show symptoms and then a few more and then, if left unchecked, the entire herd or flock is sick. Now these animals are in close contact with one another, just like the folks in China and those on a cruise ship.
If animals are segregated, don’t share the same food, air, etc. then the odds of infection are lessened, correct? This is why one farm is quarantined and a watchful eye is kept on the surrounding farms. If the quarantine is to be successful there are certain things that must happen. First, it must be established that none of the surrounding farms used the same food, water, medicines etc. and that no one from the area moved from one farm to another. Then the quarantine must insure that no infected animals escape and third a cordon sanitaire must be established and maintained.
What else should be done?
Mygirl…Maybe
Animals are much easier to control than people. Also there’s always the option of depopulation with animals. Everything you mentioned is true and logical. However you’re dealing with humans. Throw logic out the window, especially under the duress of this type of situation.
Point I was making is that epidemics aren’t always like in the movies where people start keeling over en mass shortly after exposure to the bad stuff.
Lots of people here want to downplay the seriousness of this virus and apparently have no understanding of how diseases spreads, incubation periods and they also seem to lack the concept of vectors. This virus is aerosolized, that is very grave because it is highly contagious by simply breathing air with minute virus particles.
Unlike Ebola, the four methods of transmission are all in play with this virus. The first doctor who died, Dr. Li was an ophthamologist and he was the one who said it could infect via the eyes.
Ignore the seriousness of this virus and it’s impact not only on lives but also on economics is perilous and ultimately dangerous. It’s like ignoring a lump in a woman’s breast.
The news out of S. Korea is now not so good….lots of infected and a city of 2.5 million on lock down….
Mygirl…Maybe
Mygirl…Maybe writes:
Eye (get it?) almost included this in the piece but decided it was likely a bridge too far inside the bubble. Especially, since it’s probally a coincidence anyway…
Coronavirus Was Eerily Predicted in a 1981 Novel
That’s a little freaky
Uncola: There’s lots of science fiction that has become science fact, look at Brave New World and some of Asimov and Heinlein’s writings. Koontz’s novel is doubly eerie because it not only brings in Wuhan proper but also the fact that the virus is a bioweapon.
I mentioned in an earlier comment that I had had a very disturbing dream prior to the virus news, a dream involving crows and the eye of a crow which stared at me most intently as it flew past me in the dream. In fact the trio of symbols in that dream have almost convinced me that I was being given a precursor of what was in store. Eyes, crows and the wall.
I understand the eyes aspect of the dream, the virus entering via the eyes, a fact which Dr Li revealed prior to his death from said virus. Crows are death symbols, eaters of carrion and they often eat the eyes of the victims first. Lastly was the the great stone wall which I now believe was an indication of the Great Wall of China. The stuff of nightmares….
Power and Control.
BINGO!
There are some men who run the land and control is their game plan,
C-O-N-T-R-O-L
C-O-N-T-R-O-L
C-O-N-T-R-O-L
and control is their game plan.
Whether full blown or overblown time will tell, but it’s going to take months or years to fully play out.
Whether real or contrived, man-made or natural, perception is everything.
Either way government’s or NWO government will use this to direct, herd, and control the sheep in the direction they want them to go.
If you are a child of the one true God do not fear what can take your physical life but not your eternal soul.
Rather fear, honor and respect God that has the power to judge and eternally condemn your very soul into everlasting hell fire.
No matter whatever happens always remember proper perspective is everything.
China has had an outbreak alright–an outbreak of dissent and protest, all of which could seemingly be “resolved” by roving trucks to collect people who might be infected from this virus. I’m coming around on the consipiracy stuff for this virus. It’s certainly worse than the flu and possibly terrible enough to kill billions of people in months. If you cannot trust the MSM, you surely cannot trust the ChiComs either. Take the opposite conclusion of the premise offered by these known liars. This virus didn’t originate in some market in Wuhan and was probably engineered in a lab as a weapon. Even if the release of the virus was accidental or on purpose, these events will be used to continue the now-accelerating move of global-governance, further diminishing our liberty here and abroad once whatever toe-hold the virus has made outside of China leads to overwhelming sickness and death. The ChiComs will not miss the opportunity to add to the death count (which will never be anywhere near the true count) by “disappearing” dissidents and troublemakers. Time to stock pile bullets, food, and medicine. Make a plan with your neighbors and families. All good measures for any outcome for the times we are in today.
@ Baba,
If my folks were still alive, I’d ask them if they might have possibly put my fraternal twin-sibling up for adoption (not quite identical, but close). 🙂
I recall very early on here, Hardscrabble Farmer also raised the idea of Coronavirus® potentially being a response to (as you say above) “an outbreak of dissent and protest“.
It would certainly qualify as a possible motive. And opportunity. Relatively speaking, Wuhan / Hubei province is in (somewhat) close proximity to Hong Kong – and, even, Taiwan.
A couple of comments agree with Baba Looey; the people were fleeing like the Jews from Germany in the 30’s or they were disappeared like the folks from Argentina in the late 70’s.
Yeah, kill off your economy, banking and other systems to curtail some dissidents. That’s the ticket. Over half a billion people are essentially under house arrest because of a few thousand protesters and Communists have always needed excuses to kill people?
I look at that side too, Anon. I guess not sticking to one argument makes me dangerous.
I had my computer repaired and now this site wants to post me as anonymous…I’ve changed it several times but it keeps bouncing back to anonymous so anonymous I will remain.
Mygirl….Maybe
Ah, yes, The Stand. In my opinion the best work King ever did.
I personally don’t trust anything I see or hear, whether it’s how bad this virus is, or how benign it is. Or practically every other ‘fever of the moment’. Way too many people have way too many reasons to lie in either direction. And at the end of it all, does it really have to be true in either direction? It’s the effect those pulling the strings are interested in, not the actuality of the threat. Ala ‘One Eyed Jack’; the lucre doesn’t have to actually be filthy, only thought so.
Which is basically what your article is all about, anyway.
As is so necessary – as it has always been, but even more imperative in these wonder-tech days – question and search out, but don’t go spastic about it in either direction. Empirical methodology is not just for viruses, anymore. Critical thinking, what a concept.
Of course, my isolated existence makes it easy for me to say. I don’t have the immediate potential for infection like the more urban dwellers do. But, like The Stand, all it takes is for one freaked-out rabbit to do the deed.
As always, great writing.
PS – But, but… what about the Mises angle? I’m disconsolate. Possibly even discombobulated.
TS,
The Mises angle just seemed like overkill? And, besides, why give EC even more red rope to choke me with, ya know? 🙂
LOL. Of course, that was the whole point. This entire fiasco is overkill. Hopefully not literally.
I was playing stupid, which is not a stretch for me, to say the 9/11 event might also have been a distraction and an excuse to lock down the USA with surveillance technology and the PATRIOT Act.
You never know. It might have been planned as such, or maybe just grabbing any opportunity that came by. Or a combination. I completely believe that there is actual deep deep planning going on, but the minions needed to actually carry them out are usually really low-level competent. And that’s being nice.
Bullshit. Next, your going to claim 9/11 was a JIT distraction connected to the hanging chads somehow.
As of January 21st there were..
278 cases, 6 dead
As of February 20th there are..
75,777 cases, 2,130 dead
WHAT WE KNOW-
-A forced quarantine of 760 million people.
-A virus that takes 2-4 weeks to recover from.
-A pathogen that stealth infects for up to 24 days and has one of the highest reinfection rates (RO) of all catalogued coronaviruses
-A virus that most Chinese fear reporting or discovery because that could lead to forcible internment into a communal death ward
-A pathogen that has at least four (direct, aerosol, fecal, surface) modes of transmission, and possibly up to seven (blood, urine, animal vector).
-Believed to survive in the environment on surfaces for up to nine days and has a long incubation period where it is still transmissible even without the infected person being symptomatic.
Yes, many things are still unknown. But a virus with these characteristics is very likely to wind up infecting nearly every man, woman, and child on the planet. As such, not only will the impacts be historic, the second and third order economic effects are likely to be near cataclysmic. Any assessment of the COVID-19 super bug that starts off less than that, is woefully underestimating the effects we are likely to see. In short, life on earth changed forever in December ‘19. Most people just don’t want to see it yet. But it’s pretty obvious given the characteristics of this virus…
And that’s why I write these articles, MrSifu. To see what comes back. Thank you. And your math above still shows a consistent death rate of 2% of “reported” cases. Whatever happens next is guaranteed to be interesting. For sure
This is from an MSN article referencing the cruise ships and how the State Department allowed fourteen infected to fly on a plane with the rest of the returning Americans against the directions of the CDC. So, bureaucrats dictate policy. In San Antonio the quarantined are DRIVEN to the hospital at Ft. Sam. How’s that for quarantine protocol?
If you believe that hospitals are testing every cough and fever for the virus, guess again. They ask if you’ve been to China and environs and if you say no, well, they don’t test and send you on your way with a prescription and pat on the head.
“The coronavirus (officially, SARS-CoV-2) is extremely contagious. Experts estimate that without protective measures, every infected person will spread it to an average of slightly more than two additional people. The disease, covid-19, has been fatal in roughly two out of 100 confirmed cases.
Travelers have already spread it to more than two dozen countries, where it has infected more than 75,000 people and killed more than 2,000.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-infected-americans-flown-home-against-cdcs-advice/ar-BB10ddna?li=BBnbfcL
Mygirl…maybe…
I tried to buy a 3-pack of surgical masks at Wally’s World over a month ago. (Pessimists live longer.) Both brands were sold out. I asked the pharmacist if there were any more she could put out for me. “No,” she said helpfully. “Don’t you think it might be a good idea to order in a good supply?” I asked patiently. She met my eyes briefly and with a totally unfathomable expression on her face replied, “We’ve re-ordered time after time and the suppliers don’t have any.” Over a month ago. In Canada — where last I heard there are fewer than a dozen reported cases. These governments are all complicit in something; know more than they’re letting deplorables know.
Reality is we are all going to die of something. There is a commercial running right now where the character playing the subconscious is reading a book title “Diseases I Don’t Have” while the main character sleeps. I find it amusing.
I worry about a brain tumor because my younger sister had one removed (but cell phones are safe) and now has no hearing in one ear. I worry about colon cancer because my grandmother died from it and of her 13 siblings, 7 of them also had it. I worry about a lot of things I can’t control but Kung Flu isn’t going to be one of them.
I think the majority of elderly actually die from pneumonia because they’ve already survived most of the things that struck down their peers. I watched 2 relatives that were 90+ eventually die from pneumonia. 90 years is a long time for lungs to keep working at top shape. The last year or so of life they were repeatedly getting respiratory infections. Eventually the lungs and antibiotics lost as they do for many elderly.
Momento mori. Every day is a gift. Welcome to the stoic’s club!
Memento mori
Thanks for the information, Captain Obvious.
“There is a commercial running right now where the character playing the subconscious is reading a book title “Diseases I Don’t Have” while the main character sleeps.”
It could be some kind of programming. People remember commercials long after they forget the tv show. So, yeah, they get more bang for the buck putting the suggestive messages into commercials rather than into shows.
We heard back in the day that bills have cocaine dust on them. Then we heard they have e coli bacteria on them. No doubt from women putting them in men’s shorts at the male stripper bar.
I mentioned before about the dumb show on tv back in the 80’s – they had people putting dollar bills in their mouth and chewing them. It was some idiotic plan to attract wealth.
“First of all, I am no doctor.”
This is the problem. You have no experience in the medical field. The low mortality seen in countries outside china is premised on the fact that the critically ill can receive advanced medical care. When this disease becomes widespread that will no longer be the case as hospitals and ICUs in particular will be full. This will impact not just corona virus patients but everyone else who might need care. Get in a car accident – there is no room for you, stroke – no room, heart attack….sorry.
2% , if accurate, is quite serious and so is the immunopathology that presents in certain cases.
>At worst, it escaped from a Wuhan laboratory affiliated with China’s secret biological weapons program.
Uh, no.
At worst it is a bio weapon made to target Asians -obviously created by non-Asian psychopaths-,
and set free in proximity to a Wuhan laboratory for disinformation and plausible deniability.
Mike.
Except the Chinese Bio-Weapons lab is located in Xinjiang Provence.
Fb.
Where did I write the Wuhan laboratory is a bio-weapons lab.
Whoops you’re right, sorry.
As of 2.14.20, the data indicates that 1,400 have died and over 64,000 are infected. Although those numbers are grim, I would like to put them in perspective. These numbers correlate to a 2% death rate (1,400/64,000). In other words, 98% of those infected survive.
And, as of this writing, the reported death rate remains under 3%.
This is completely wrong. You have calculated the case fatality ratio, not the mortality rate.
If you want to know a rough estimate of the mortality rate, you must divide the current deaths by the number of patients in the PREVIOUS cohorts of patients, as the moribund patients in the current cohort will not have died yet.
It’s more complex than this (sometimes a lot more complex), but it works for a rough estimate in this instance. To find this number for this virus in this case, you can either look up whatever number the Chinese were selling two weeks ago, or just divide the current number of cases by the approximate R-0 (we’ll use 4.7).
So, divide 64,000 by 4.7, and you get 13,617. To estimate the mortality rate, you divide 1400 by 13617, and get 0.1028 -> about a 10% mortality rate.
The numbers from yesterday were 74,192 cases and 2118 deaths. Same thing.
74,192/4.7 = 15,785
2118/15,785 = 0.1342 –> 13.4% mortality rate
Also, I doubt the Chinese data is actually real.
As in this scale of event you cannot assume that all cases are known, especially the recovered ones,
your number is more like a ceiling but not a strong estimate.
We can’t presume all the deaths are being reported, either. In fact we have some good reasons to presume they are not.
But, based on the Chinese numbers, those are good estimates of the mortality rate, if those Chinese numbers are accurate.
It seems highly unlikely the Chinese numbers are accurate.
One should always consider the possibility of malevolent actions/info, yes,
but only after considering how neutral non-actions / non-information might distort the numbers.
“China reports dramatic drop in coronavirus cases”
‘China’s central Hubei province had 349 new confirmed cases on Wednesday, down from 1,693 a day earlier and lowest since Jan. 25. The death toll rose by 108, down from 132 the previous day, bringing to total in China to over 2,100 deaths and 74,000 cases.’
It appears the theoretical “Bulbous Bow of Confusion” is alive and well, and viable as hell…
Shocking Spike In COVID-19 Cases Puts Beijing On High Alert; Officials Weigh “Wuhan-Level” Lockdown
Two of my sons coworkers returned to work just a few days after returning from China. If the cat is out of the bag, its out all over the country.
@ AC,
I appreciate what you’re saying. These articles are written to generate comments like yours and, if I end up being wrong, I want to understand why. Toward that end, I will definitely be considering your above perspectives.
And I definitely agree with your statement regarding the Chinese data not being real – just not, at this time, in the way you might mean.
Even with your numbers above, the math doesn’t add up – especially given China’s population and the various ways and means Coronavirus® is claimed to spread.
interesting speculation
From MG’s above link:
If you didn’t see this link from another thread, I think Fleabaggs linked it, it’s worth listening to.
COVID 19 – Slow Rollout of a New 9/11 & Potential Bio-Patriot Act – Dr. Paul Cottrell – 2/17/2020
Right? A New 9/11 and Potential Bio-Patriot Act? A lot of good questions are asked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54M3MeRVqqk
I can see it now…. The War on Sickness® as the new…
Listen, I know none of us have time to look at all of this stuff, but that letter from Dr. Horowitz to the White House uses the word Media Terrorism and I think the term Bioterrorism is a potential we might have to face up to.
Would a government commit genocide on its own people? Um, yes.
Would a government lie to the world about doing it? Um, yes.
Would a government risk its own population to get in on the action? Well?
What if their “controllers” wanted everyone vaccinated.
Not exactly on topic but . . . UN worship, anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE8m309gKVE&feature=emb_logo
Why didn’t I see this coming????
Pull ur head out of youknowehere
Am being nice so magnag dont beech
So I won’t BEECH?
Beech like a whale, then we have to roll you off the sand back into the water.
Don’t make me drag out the beach picture.
Again with the beached whale joke?
If you wanted a more accurate estimate:
(all rounded down to whole numbers)
74,192/4.7 = 15,785
15,785/4.7 = 3358
3358/4.7= 714
714/4.7 = 152
152/4.7 = 32
32/4.7 = 6
6/4.7 = 1
15785+3358+714+152+32+6+1 = 20,048 [previous cohort total, estimated]
2118/20048 = .1056 –> 10.6%
Quick and dirty program for your TI calc to estimate the mortality rate, if anyone is interested,
PROGRAM:CORONA
:Disp "CASES"
:Prompt C
:Disp "DEATHS"
:Prompt D
:Disp "RO"
:Prompt R
:C/R->S:S->T
:While S>=1
:(S/R)->S
:(T+S)->T
:End
:(D/T)->K
:Disp "MORT RATE"
:K
Just realized what I did here. Don’t use this for anything but some fun. Not accurate at all.
China was going to sink the Navy with hypersonic doodads a while back.
I’ll see your Bible and raise you a Book of Mormon.
No lack of brimstone and hell fire there.
I knew this was an Uncola article before I even scrolled down the page. Very clever title Unc!
You are a talented fellow and I will read this piece tonight for sure.
Thanks, Bea ?
you know good and well bea is a bit of eddie haskell, don’t you? By the way, I watched this really good Evening at the Improve: Season 11, Episode 11, from 1992.
Have you seen it?
So, I was wondering if there possibly were TWO Marc(k) Morans in comedy who’d been in the Army (sniper/paratrooper… all the same to Ohura, right?) and were pretty funny and fast on their feet around that time?
Oh, that Rizzo does a bullwinkle routine that is worth watching the others for. LOL. I didn’t remember the Fettuccini brothers.
Do you know?
Is that the farmer?
I think so, but not positive. There’s actually a Mark Maron comic too!
Maggie.
Aldo and Fred Fettuccini.
They were funny, but I’d never seen them before. Is that HSF?
M G – Eddie Haskell?? That was truly unfair, I was offering a genuine compliment to Unc for a job well done. Sheesh
I apologize, Bea. I’ve been talking to Paula on the phone too much and she made me do it.
That apologizing bought Hypobore a lot of loving thumbs, did you see? I’m trying to apologize every chance I get.
So, yes… I’m sorry Eddie. Is Wally around?
I have learned my lesson from Hypoborean, who changed his image here with that apology that garnered over 100 thumbs up!
I apologize for my hurtful sarcasm.
Maggie.
I don’t know. I was referring to the joke about how two poor Italian brothers invented Fettuccini AlFredo.
Oh. My. God. I’m a dumbass. This is like the “Lynn Guini” I was introduced to by my Poppa G when I called the spaghetti “noodles” .
I learned at that time (1993) that real Italians do not eat noodles except in chicken soup. And, we do not ever call pasta “noodles,” even in soup.
I grew up in Podunk, Missouri. When I told my mother-in-law I’d seen my mother add condensed tomato soup to the Ragu to make it go further, I think she had to leave the room. Some kind of coughing fit. She taught me to make sauce first thing.
And, when I told my husband I have a cousin who makes lasagna with Velveeta Cheese, he told me we could not ever even see them again.
I have thought of the very things discussed in this article, yet I’m leaning toward thinking it’s real and not for control. But who knows? Even if it’s real, they will take advantage of the situation and use it for control. I am 98% certain that when they get rid of cash, disease transmission will be the main excuse. Whether it’s real or not, I am going to act as if it’s real, in order to avoid it or the possible repercussions of a quarantine situation. At least that way, we’ll be ready for whatever comes, even the next disease du jour.
For me there is very little doubt left that this is real and I don’t like what I see is coming. As for the TPTB taking advantage in whatever way they can –Oh Hell yes!
100!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZBkls-Vtwo
Remember when the band could be stoned or drunk and we still thought it was awesome?
Always loved that song
100. I win. I deserve it too.
Of course. Me,too/two! After all, isn’t a participation trophy just as significant as a ‘real’ trophy?
You did not. You are a fibber magoo robber. If you won, mine went to spam and I demand Uncola go jfish it out!
I saw it!
I posted it after I saw 99 but when I pressed play, it counted up to 103 so I knew you ripped me off.
U xheeter!
Here is my suspicion on coronavirus:
It is very contagious, and a lot of people have it and do not know it, as symptoms for most are very mild. Thus it gets spread around a lot. I have no idea what the mortality rate really is, but I suspect it is reasonably low, for the same reason as above – that untold numbers of people have it but do not know, so are not being counted in the number of cases. But of course it is highly likely thosehonest Chinese are under-reporting the number of cases.
So, who knows?
I did my own 6th grade math (2 minutes on the old calculator without having to show my work) on the current numbers and came up with maybe 15,000 cases of infection in the USA and ~ 300 deaths. It’s more comforting than the alternative. And I would have to go back to my original idea that a crisis is too good to waste; a lot of boomers will succumb.
Covert, er COVID virus caused by immune system down or weakened from all that batsh*t foods you guys eat. From soy oil mayo to hogfeet.
you guys
Takes in a lot of territory, doesn’t it? How do you know what I eat?
Blabbers back
Your a loose cannon, Paulita.
Apostrophe, dammit… apostrophe!
Humph. Some grammar Nazi you are.
(Huh, huh? You are, you’re. Get it?)
A month ago I said No matter how lethal it is, I expect the Feds to milk it as much as possible. Either to blame the coming economic crash on it or to declare Medical Martial Law to get control before the crisis arrives. I’m sticking with it.
This is an important article in that it point blank challenges the official narrative offered by the CMSM. Thank you for picking up the baton of the old style investigative writer/reporter! We need a huge dose of this type of journalism.
When the actor was exposed as a shill interviewed on the cruise ship in quarantine, it was yet another clue this is a MANUFACTURED EVENT. You answered some of the reasons the owners need this pandemic to further their agenda.
Hope this is picked up by tons of the heavy traffic sites to become food for thought for massive amounts of readers. Keep on doing what you do so well Unc….and thanks.
Just for some perspective,:The number of cases outside of China:
jan 19 = 4
Jan 26 = 64
Feb 2 = 188
Feb 9 = 375
feb 16 = 780
Half way thru this week already 1198.
So that’s roughly doubling every week. If that rate continues, in 1 month the numbers will be around 12,000 and a month after that around 200,000.
Personally, ASIG, I don’t think it’s going to happen that way. So, I’ll just say in the meantime: I hope your above estimate is wrong.
From two days ago:
Men represent the majority of coronavirus cases so far. Researchers think smoking could play a role.
Even with (as you stated way up the thread above) China’s pollution, I believe sunlight is about to do to Coronavirus® what Elizabeth Warren did to Michael Bloomberg in last night’s debate.
I agree with you completely that outside China the benefits of sunlight/ Via. D will be a plus and will likely improve “our numbers” also the issue of their population having a high percentage of smokers is also a contributing factor in their high numbers. However the US has many negative factors also such as High incidence of Obesity and diabetes just to name a few.
I take a 50,000 D every week with a K2. Nuf said let it go. Really.
“I hope your above estimate is wrong.”
Actually that estimate is turning out to be way low. The actual number as of now is already 2210 and if that progression is consistent, withing one month the number will be about 35,000 and in two months over half a million. I’m not making this shit up, I’m just going with what the numbers are telling me.
life is great outside a few small problems like death and desease.
I’d prefer both over dishonor.
The other D word.
Like arresting a 6 yo girl and putting her in cuffs.
I am listening to this news story right now. It is HORRIFYING!
history rhymes rinses and repeats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4ex-jFrEGk
The monkey ruined the vid.
I agree but thought it apropos considering how monkeys wile away days scrubbing cats…
Can I hire that monkey to wash my dogs?
What of the cytokine storm that this causes in extremely healthy people?
Too much M G. Get a life.
You will be happy to know I have to be logged in to post, which limits me to the computer and almost no mobile devices.
I’m pretty much unembarrassable.
200. I win…maybe
Carbon dioxide lover told me to get a life. Do you have one I can use for a while?
Too much M G. Get a life.
Big Red mentioned prescient. You can go back and read my comments last month which preceded much of the stuff we are hearing today, a month later. Lab sabotage, USA lockdown, UN troops…
Here’s something you will hear tomorrow; the industrial nations of the far east – China, South Korea, Japan – are being taken offline to save the west. It’s my call, book it, Danno. (Or not, I never get credit.)
Tariffs are only part of the story, we know they want control of the China Sea along with Taiwan. It may be that 2020 was the year China wants to roll out a war of conquest. We have done nothing but telegraph our inability to keep buying, much less pay what we owe them. If the deep state foresaw a war, they seem to have taken measures to kill two birds with one stone, weaken their war planning and take down their money maker.
Loose Cannon: Well, you are intelligent and have the capacity to see not only cause and effects but also understand consequences and hidden motives. Qui bono? Then again, I don’t believe this is deliberate, I still follow the premise that this was a bio 4 lab accidental release.
Mygirl…Maybe
I’m just clever. I was engaging in the kind of speculation that is popular with smart people here. Besides, anybody with half a brain can see cause and effect – that’s how children learn.
My grand kid kept dropping stuff to the floor from his elevated height in the high chair. I told his mom that from his perspective, he was experimenting and proving to himself that an invisible agency we call gravity exists.
Interesting perspective EC. Are you leaving with Nickel?
No. San Diego, Los Angeles/Santa Monica/Ventura and San Francisco are big cities on the coast. They attract homeless people seeking warm winter weather. Those places also have public showers and bathrooms on the beach. It’s a nutjob paradise.
If you are not in Cali, you believe the entire state is covered in shit. It isn’t. Life is pretty much normal away from the places like where Nickle lives currently. Downtown Hollywood, Santa Monica and Ventura reek of piss. That’s because homeless people piss on the sidewalks in the night. San Diego had a breakout of cholera or something like that because of the street shitters.
It is not known who dumps homeless people in downtown LA but there have been videos of indigent hospital patients being dumped in the street in broad daylight. I have heard reports of homeless people bused into San Bernardino and dumped at a Jack in the Box there.
We are not immune to homeless people up here in the AV but the climate is not like LA’s year-round 72 degrees. It has been sunny and dry here all ‘winter’ but the temps this month have gotten to as low as 20 on a couple of mornings. That’s not conducive to sleeping in the street or in a tent.
I have often bitched about LA types because they drive like they own the road. There are so many folks – whites, blacks, asians, beaners, arabs and jews – down below (the LA basin) and all the way to San Diego that they have the manners of crowded rats. People are generally nice up here but with the huge influx of LA types who sold high and came up here to buy low, that decorum may be passe’.
United States of Tents
An estimated 500,000 U.S. citizens, veterans and children are homeless across the nation. A newly-released documentary by filmmaker Dennis Michael Lynch tackles the homeless crisis in America head-on. “United States of Tents,” takes you on a journey to several homeless camps across the country, and includes interviews with leaders in many communities who are addressing this devastating crisis.
Incredible documentary on Amazon Prime. Explains how the homeless get bused around the country and , even, flown to Hawaii!
That did not take long:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-no-weapon-left-behind-american-hybrid-war-china
A very interesting article, EC.
and
Trump needed an economic scapegoat and the dems needed impeachment failure cover over. Media was 24/7 impeachment now nothing. China was nearly in a democratic revolution. This allowed them martial law while they hunt down a nd kill these dissidents.
It’s time to re-think the apocalypse thing. ‘TPTB’ have co-opted these
prophecies and are using it to their advantage. Most, if not All biblical prophecies have been fulfilled. Don’t let these sob’s fear monger you into
a fetal position.
If this is true this stuff will spread like wildfire and there will be no stopping it. Pray you’re one of the 80%
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-80-percent-cases-are-mild-2020-2
I think it comes down to the condition of your immune system. You had better be in good shape.
I’m in a rural area in northern Cal and that’s not much comfort especially since I just noticed this morning a new case is reported in Humboldt county, if it’s there it can be anywhere.
I pray that I’m in that percentage of the population that’s over 5 yrs old, under 70 yrs old, and not otherwise immune-compromised. I wonder what percentage of the 50 to 80 thousand flu deaths each year are in these categories.
If you’re in one of these categories, take the coronavirus seriously; but take the regular flu more seriously.
If you’re not in one of these categories, watch to see if more reliable numbers indicate it’s more serious than it appears to date. If it doesn’t get a lot worse, watch out for coronaries, cancer, chronic respiratory disease, and car accidents instead.
This just in… like clockwork; in time and right on schedule:
Epidemics like coronavirus are putting a spotlight on contactless biometrics
Always enjoy your writings. Found this interesting, as this is the next step.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/21/coronavirus-riots-residents-hurl-stones-at-police-buses-carrying-quarantined-ukrainians/
No cash AND no thumbprint. Retinas & face scans only — or so says the VP of the Retina-scan company. Still, not a bad thing to in which to invest your cashless fiat.
People need to calm down. If nothing else, events such as these reveal the truth with much greater clarity. Take a step or two back and see it for what it is via a perspective that does not feature yourself as the center of the Universe.
I sorta suggested that when I said the earth, Gaia, keeps trying to shake humanity from it’s womb.
I’m picturing a jolly green giant Tina Turner with a girl-scout sash and a tie-die headband, EC
Right on, impermanence. I wrote this article to try and find some balance; perhaps even taking on the role of devil’s advocate, as it were.
Interestingly enough, however, my skepticism has appeared to float like a lead balloon out upon the greater ethernet.
Fantastic commentary and perspectives here, though, and that’s enough for me.
No one can say what is really happening but there were a few leaked videos of people literally falling down in hospital waiting rooms, dying on the streets, and bleeding out of every orifice. If those vids were legit, it suggests something way more serious than they are telling us. The one mysterious clue we got that something is very wrong was this report that 5 million people had “escaped” Wuhan and nobody knew where they all went. How would they ever know 5 million people had left the city, when people are all staying indoors and not venturing out? They wouldn’t know. Read between the lines to reach a gruesome conclusion about how they arrived at that total.
While this is going on, we’re going to have to watch actions not words to piece the truth together. They are not going to tell us, and you can expect plenty of disinfo to throw off the red pills, just like the CA wildfires.
You didn’t mention the lights out in apartment buildings, which would normally be on. Did they leave or were they disappeared? But now we have a shutdown in the capital city.