I’M NO VIROLOGIST

Guest Post by Hardscrabble Farmer

I’m no virologist or immunologist but I do work work pathogens in a real life setting every single day of my life.

That said I also have the intelligence to understand the idea behind a vaccine. It involves- and correct me if I am wrong-deliberately infecting a human with a virus in order to trigger an immune response, to whit allowing the individual to develop the antigens necessary to resist the virus.

Can anyone explain to me why there is anything different between natural exposure via transmission between infected and non-infected and someone with a syringe injecting it directly into your bloodstream?

The other day I had a couple of young men working with us on the farm. We were stripping mulch hay into the piggery to add carbon to the bedding. It was sunny and breezy and the bales we were pulling apart were rotten and moldy and as we spread it there was a constant spray of fine airborne powder that blew around us. No one wore a mask, no one used gloves. We were also working in an area loaded with manure and urea, decomposed vegetative matter and a couple of feet of saturated carbonaceous material from the past six months.

I have no idea how many types of molds, mildews, spores, bacteria, germs and viruses we were breathing in, but it was probably enough that if it were collected together could be weighed on a scale. At the end of the day, you strip off your clothes, take a hot shower, blow the black snot out of your nose and go about your business.

Why is it that we never get sick? Broken bones, pulled muscles, cuts and abrasions, sure, they happen, but colds, flu bugs, etc? We just don’t get them. Neither do the hogs or the cattle or the chickens that live in and around these microscopic organisms 24/7.

Is it possible that there is more than one way to skin a cat?

Why do we listen to people who have walls full of degrees in these kinds of things and make the deliberate choice to inhabit densely populated urban environments with little of no contact with nature and the real world? They must be aware of how much more risky it is than to live and work in rural environments in direct contact with the widest variety of pathogens, under the Sun rather than in a florescent cubicle farm, moving around the globe to other congested urban environments loaded with human pathogenic populations, right? Rather than taking advice from the very people who are routinely coming down with illnesses, wouldn’t it be prudent to perhaps consider the advice of those who do not?

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flash
flash
May 10, 2020 9:14 am

Because science , that’s why!!!

https://youtu.be/_gcgqPvzAuQ

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ursel doran
ursel doran
May 10, 2020 9:27 am

Sir HSF you just described Taleb’s IYI mob. “Intellectual Yet Idiot.”
Back Lash from some of the Sheeples has emerged in a few places.

Favorite example is the French riots against the Global Warming Tax, now…
“You can screw some of the people some of the time, but screw all the people all the time, and blow back is a bitch.”

The People are Rising Up – Journalists & Politicians Beware

Mirror Mirror on the Wall – They Are Trying to Make Us Socialists After All

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22winmag - TBP's 2020 Mormon Prophecy Recipient
  ursel doran
May 10, 2020 9:45 am

I prefer Idiot Yet Intellectual.

Calling them Intellectuals first and foremost gives them too much credit.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

Some may just be “sexual intellectuals” aka fuqueing know-it-alls.

TX Patriot
TX Patriot
May 10, 2020 9:28 am

Let me preface that I am not supporting or debunking vaccine use.

HSF stated “It involves- and correct me if I am wrong-deliberately infecting a human with a virus in order to trigger an immune response, to whit allowing the individual to develop the antigens necessary to resist the virus.”

NORMALLY, a vaccine is an injection of a KILLED virus rather than a live virus which triggers the immune response without truly infecting the person. Again, that is a NORMAL vaccine.

Again, not supporting or debunking vaccine use as I know there are arguments on both sides of the aisle and I don’t want to trigger that pissing contest here.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  TX Patriot
May 10, 2020 9:40 am

Viruses are not living organisms by definition. You can’t “kill” something that isn’t living. And the size of them would make it impossible to check every single virus in every single dose to insure that you’ve “killed” them all.

And if they are dead, why do people die from vaccines? Not to mention a myriad of associated disorders and severe side effects-

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236284/

Again, correct me if I’m mistaken, I only have the research I have done in the past couple of months to guide me.

These are the seven characteristics of living organisms.

1 Nutrition. Living things take in materials from their surroundings that they use for growth or to provide energy. …
2 Respiration. …
3 Movement. …
4 Excretion. …
5 Growth.
6 Reproduction. …
7 Sensitivity.

Anonymous1
Anonymous1
  hardscrabble farmer
May 10, 2020 11:51 am

the answer is:Profit!

oldtimer505
oldtimer505
  Anonymous1
May 10, 2020 12:07 pm

and control.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  oldtimer505
May 10, 2020 12:42 pm

look at the data, it is pretty surreal to notice how the “number of people awarded compensation” has started to climb dramatically since ’08/’09 which is right when Judy Mikovits was really pushing to make the damage of vaccines known.
and you can be sure the numbers in this data are only representative of a fraction of the total damages…given that vaccine court regulations are….. fucked up.

https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Anonymous1
May 10, 2020 10:33 pm

You’re not anonymous. You are the Underpants Gnome!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
May 10, 2020 12:28 pm

this is why i believe that 5g has caused a Calcium Voltage Gating problem in many humans across the planet.. this “virus” is just a catch all term for the govt to try and catch every person that has been compromised by the effects of EMF, and sweep them under the rug as a “highly contagious viral infection”
this is why the testing regime is still not viral load based. the PCR test is intentionally vague in order to try and do as much damage control for 5g as possible.

EMT doctors are confirming this when they say that “this disease is entirely unlike anything ive ever seen before in my career, and it’s pathogenesis is the complete opposite of what the medical system was prepared to combat”

it’s easy to make the pandemic look deadly when you prime your entire hospital system to kill your patients right off the bat with ventilator hype.
it has taken months for giant oil tanker that is the hospital system …to slowly turn it’s rudder 180 and start to combat the actual condition presenting, instead of responding with panic, fear, and extreme treatments.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
May 10, 2020 12:51 pm

Immunity is extremely Environmentally based. and by that I mean, your direct complete environment… not just the climate.

you may have quite a strong immune system on your farm. but the real problems with immunity truly surface when you travel long distances, are taken out of your Environment to a completely foreign biome.

air travel is one of THE main reasons for viral spread.
it happens too fast.
when intercontinental travel was only by boat… many truly infectious diseases would…. die on the boat, or become completely apparent.. on the boat.

it wasn’t until large numbers of foreigners landed on the east of north america…. that the native americans got decimated by foreign disease.

the north american biome was far less of a viral cesspool than Europe/england… simply due the sheer size of the north american continent (and, you know… Castles of Europe…definitely a viral breeding ground there). So the Euro Settlers had WAY stronger and more dominant immune systems which they brought to the new world.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Anonymous
May 10, 2020 1:04 pm

Very true. Your body is only able to respond quickly to things it has previously been exposed to. For everything else, you will likely experience some minor to major symptoms while your body builds a new army of defenses. The next time however….

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
May 10, 2020 1:09 pm

Agree completely.

When this first broke out I posited my solution to future epidemics.

1) No more foreign travel without a mandatory quarantine. You want to travel from China to attend Yale? No problem, 30 days in a quarantine ship off the coast on your dime. If after 30 days you’re okay, straight to college, no travel allowed during you stay except for classes.

2) People who simply must have a city experience? No problem, but a mandatory 30 day quarantine in an isolated area prior to any domestic travel outside of the city on your dime.

3) In the event of any outbreak of a virus anywhere on Earth, complete quarantine of that city or geographic region for a period of 1 year. Nothing in, nothing out.

4) No admission to any country except through designated portals and only after a 30 day quarantine. Violators will be executed as a threat to humanity, no exceptions.

Of course none of that has even a remote chance of happening because the people who run things and make the decisions aren’t concerned about the spread of diseases and pathogens. Don’t believe me?

https://www.flightradar24.com/

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  Anonymous
May 10, 2020 3:20 pm

Yep you only have antibodies and programmed lymphocytes to what you’ve been exposed to. But, once exposed the antibodies my fade without constant exposure but the now programmed lymphocytes are there forever.

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable
  Anonymous
May 10, 2020 8:27 pm

Thus 14 day quarantines of travelers from certain hot spots. It’s already happening and may continue even after this virus dies out. No doubt there will be others.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  hardscrabble farmer
May 10, 2020 1:03 pm

Most people are not dying from the viral component of the vaccine (although there are hundreds of thousands of reported cases of various illnesses – including polio – that have occurred directly as a result of the vaccine). They are typically dying or suffering horrible neurological/immunological effects because of the “adjuvants” that are added to the vaccine to “enhance” the antibody production reaction in the patient. These include but are not limited to aluminum, egg protein, human fetal tissue, and others. Additionally, thimerosal (a preservative made from mercury), is still used in the seasonal flu vaccine and others. Genetically there are 4 genotypes as it relates to mercury toxicity. They range from mercury being very well-handled and quickly processed and expelled from the body, to extremely poor handling and serious toxic consequences. Because of these genetic variations, some will have no issues with the thimerosal and some will have significant issues. Nobody is ever tested prior to vaccination to check on their genetic markers.

And as for the mold, etc. in the hay, etc. your bodies likely have developed significant immune responses that kick in every year when exposed. I suspect that the first year you did this you probably did not feel great later that day or maybe even the next…but you got over it. I find the same thing when getting to the bottom of a mulch pile that has been sitting around for a while if I don’t wear a mask.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  MrLiberty
May 10, 2020 10:41 pm

One of my Dad’s brothers was a bartender among other things. He was a small man and told me how to get rid of a troublemaker bigger than you. When some big guy was causing trouble he would “give him one on the house” and dump liquid mercury in the drink. When the guy would chug it, shortly thereafter it would make them shit themselves and of course voluntarily leave in great haste. Don’t know if it was true or not.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  hardscrabble farmer
May 10, 2020 5:51 pm

Hardscrabble – you called someone else obtuse. You are being obtuse.

Viruses are alive in that they can reproduce. Vaccines are bits of virus or weakened virus that cannot reproduce, but that can create an immune response in the person – ie generate antibodies – without the virus actually infecting the individual.

TX patriot is clearly right, and viruses have many of the indicators you posted.

Robin Banks
Robin Banks
  Llpoh
May 10, 2020 7:12 pm

Viruses cannot multiply without a living organism. https://www.med-health.net/How-Do-Viruses-Reproduce.html

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Robin Banks
May 10, 2020 7:33 pm

Neither can Humans.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Llpoh
May 10, 2020 8:22 pm

But two viruses cannot fuck each other and reproduce. Viruses are NOT alive.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Llpoh
May 10, 2020 8:53 pm

You have much better sense of humor than you let on.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Llpoh
May 10, 2020 8:50 pm

I’m not a scientist either. If the definition of life has been defined by those seven bullet points, who am I to argue? If a virus doesn’t meet all seven, then by definition it cannot be a life form.

I didn’t come up with the criteria and like I said above, I’m no virologist so I don’t know if they’re telling the truth about viruses or just making this shit up like they do with space and quantum physics. I only know what I can perceive with my senses and filter through the morass of academic bullshit that defines our era. Healthy people have strong immune systems that fend off pathogens, sick, stressed, old and dying people do not.

People who live healthy lives have nothing to fear and they don’t need vaccines.

Steve
Steve
  TX Patriot
May 10, 2020 11:12 am

I believe most vaccines use attenuated viruses ( partially inactivated) or parts of the viral protein shell to indice antibody production.
Because you are contantly confronting your body with bacteria, fungal spores and viruses you are constantly activating and challenging your immune system. Think of the Buble Boy type story. No challenge to immune system = no ability to defend against any given antigen. Like the rest of the body, if you don’t use it you lose it- muscle, brain function, immune system.
I worked in hospitals for years during the undergrad days as a phelbotomist(getting blood for testing from all over the hosp.). We all were in the funkiest conditions, from general population to isolation. Nobody ever got sick considering the environment. We constantly challenged our immune systems. Like the story of Milk Maids. Because they had the mild cow pox, their exposure to smallpox usually amounted to milder cases or outright immunity.

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  Steve
May 10, 2020 11:16 am

Yep…use it or lose it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Steve
May 10, 2020 12:31 pm

that is NOT how vaccines work.

there are millions/billions of viruses out there.

the virus doesn’t actually “challenge your immune system” if it has been “attenuated / killed / cut apart”

if you actually believed your theory, then Flu shots would work at a far more effective rate then they do.
the complete virus triggers the creation of immune response.
if you think that a “neutered virus” will trigger an immune response…. then you don’t understand Virulence and Mutations yet.

RiNS
RiNS
  Anonymous
May 10, 2020 1:31 pm

please explain smarty pants

Anonymous
Anonymous
  RiNS
May 10, 2020 2:51 pm

sure if you ‘look at the literature’ you will see the terms “inactivated virus” or “attenuated virus” all over… but when you get into the nitty gritty…. this is all that matters.


” Because the vaccine virus is replication-competent, there is a risk of reversion to virulence after administration, albeit small. Therefore, the use of live attenuated rabies virus (RABV) vaccines in domestic animals is not recommended due to the potential residual pathogenicity of the strains used. ”

sure it’s one thing to “see results in a lab”.
but once it’s in the human body? all bets are off, the variables are massive between every individual. Inject that shit into billions of hosts???? Nature WILL find a way.

note what they say under “vaccine effectiveness”

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/hcp/about.html

those are some pretty massive percentage gaps.

Robin Banks
Robin Banks
  RiNS
May 10, 2020 7:14 pm

How would anyone explain that word salad?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Robin Banks
May 11, 2020 11:14 am

it’s not about belief, you either understand it or you don’t.
if it looks like salad to you, you’re blind to the meat.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
May 10, 2020 9:31 am

“At the end of the day, you strip off your clothes, take a hot shower, blow the black snot out of your nose and go about your business.”

Every. Day.

There is a level of intellect with you that places you a head above….or an abundance of common sense in a world that has so little ?

Both.

“Is it possible that there is more than one way to skin a cat?”

I did a lot of residential remodel/add-ons in the 80s with an ancient Navaho carpenter. A ‘code talker’………in a heavy Indian accent, he would say “dammit son, you ask too many questions”…..and would always end with “there are many ways to skin a cat……cat still gets skinned”….’get up dat ladder’ or ‘grab that board’…….

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <<——===

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
May 10, 2020 9:59 am

“Can anyone explain to me why there is anything different between natural exposure via transmission between infected and non-infected and someone with a syringe injecting it directly into your bloodstream”

I can tell you the difference….one is a natural event which is free and the other equals billions for Big Pharma .

Steve
Steve
  BUCKHED
May 10, 2020 11:25 am

…..and they can’t add whatever sterility inducing compounds they are putting in the vaccines.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BUCKHED
May 10, 2020 12:32 pm

vaccines are no different than Insurance. a calculated scam where very few people profit, and the benefits to the masses are dubious at best.

RiNS
RiNS
May 10, 2020 10:10 am

Control is the Virus

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
May 10, 2020 10:14 am

Natural exposure is nature’s means of vaccination, totally agree with you on that HSF. Man made vaccines are usually killed or attenuated viruses/bacteria. Killed products by themselves will deliver some immunity but it is often weak and requires constant boostering. Killed products are often mixed with what are called adjuvants, which are chemical compounds such as aluminum hydroxide or thimerosol which basically really aggravate and piss of the immune system to try and increase the immune response but often cause “vaccine reactions”. Attenuated or what are also known as Modified Live Vaccines (MLV) are actual dehydrated lab grown viruses which when rehydrated with a liquid called a diluent and injected into a living being naturally get into that individuals cells and replicate like viruses normally do. However, because they have been modified in the laboratory they are not supposed to cause disease. The fact that these MLV viruses actually replicate means they create a stronger more natural immune response that often needs no or very infrequent boostering. The problem we are now finding with MLVs is that because they are grown in cell cultures in the laboratory, which is kind of like making soup in a dish. When the virus is harvested some of the DNA from the cell culture, because remember a virus needs living cells in order to replicate, is harvested as well. Some of this DNA can cause problems in the receiver of the vaccine. This what is thought to trigger Autism and sometimes Auto Immune disease and even cancer. Once again we arrive at the end or beginning of a circle. Natural immunity, as you’ve described is the gold standard. However, if you breath in too much of a bug, or a highly virulent strain, or your immune system is compromised, instead of becoming immune you develop disease and it may be fatal. On the other hand, man made vaccines for the most part are primarily safe and effective but, like all the side effects they list on those TV adds that big pharma produces, they aren’t without risk. The way I look at it is that life is nothing more than a series of choices. Each choice has a risk to it. Choose wisely, and weigh the risks. If you take no risk you’ll be like the sheep we are seeing huddling today inside their domiciles because TPTB told them to because of the Wuhan. If you want to truly Live Life you take calculated risks. That means you risk getting something bad from moldy compost or having a reaction to a vaccine. The choice should be for each of us to decide on their own.

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  Cow Doctor
May 10, 2020 11:29 am

FYI,

I haven’t had an influenza vaccine in years, but I definitely make sure to keep my Tetanus vaccine boostered. With Dogs and Cats I believe it’s sacrilege for them not to be vaccinated and boostered as needed for Rabies. As for the rest of the feline and canine vaccines give them as a series as a puppy or kitten for sure, after that it’s up to the owner and the animals situation and exposure.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Cow Doctor
May 10, 2020 12:20 pm

doc,
good comment–what is the real time period that a rabies vaccine is effective?

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  TampaRed
May 10, 2020 12:42 pm

Generally 3 years. It conceivably last longer than that but when vaccines are approved they are only required to demonstrate the period of effectiveness placed on the label. A good thing that has arrived in the last few years is a test run by Kansas State University called a FAVN test that can check a dog or cat for levels of neutralizing antibodies to Rabies. If a dog is exposed to a rabid animal, say a skunk, but is overdue for a Rabies booster this test can be ran to show whether or not the dog still has enough antibody to be protected. In the old days the dog would have been euthanized as a public health rule.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Cow Doctor
May 10, 2020 1:08 pm

We found a great vet who would do antibody titer testing for rabies as she was not a believer in mass vaccinations for dogs or cats (just for its own sake). Rare to find them these days, but the level of antibodies is ALL that matters, not whether or not you have paid some useless vaccine maker their due.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Cow Doctor
May 10, 2020 7:58 pm

Roughly 85 percent of people are naturally imune to tetanus.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Anonymous
May 10, 2020 10:48 pm

I had the booster last fall. Felt like my arm was going to fall off. Just hurt like the blazes for almost a week.

rhs jr
rhs jr
May 10, 2020 10:16 am

There are many problems with their vaccines. They contain substances that make people sterile, give people cancer and other health problems, and give partial or no immunity that lasts a brief time. CV-19 is just an excuse for the ZOG to give the Goy their NWO Shot Cocktail, and when we refuse, to take our Constitutional Rights away.

Donkey
Donkey
May 10, 2020 10:24 am

To answer all your questions, which I can’t do, certain words come to my mind.

Control
Nefarious
Intellectualism
Greed
Satan

And so on and so on.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
May 10, 2020 10:25 am

Yeah, but tossing manure and rotting hay around doesn’t bring in the kind of profits that forcing millions of people to vaccinate does. So there’s that.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Francis Marion
May 10, 2020 12:12 pm

You haven’t tried our prosciutto.

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  hardscrabble farmer
May 10, 2020 2:04 pm

Best ever hot prosciutto.

Please make the next batch sweet.

Sionnach Liath
Sionnach Liath
May 10, 2020 10:28 am

A short story: Many years ago, I think I was about 7-8 years old, my out of town grandmother was visiting us. we had a day time housekeeper as both my parents worked. The housekeeper called me in from the yard for lunch (I think it was lunch), and yelled at me for being so dirty and not washing before sitting down to eat. My grandmother, a product of the late 19th – early 20th cent. pre-depression world, said to the house keeper- and my recollection of her words is pretty accurate, “Don’t be so hard on the boy, every child has to eat his peck of dirt before growing up.”

The concept of exposure to the natural world creating immunity from disease has been part of human existence for thousands of years. It is only in the past few decades, after Madison Avenue learned that it could significantly alter human opinion and attitudes toward manufactured ‘miracle cures’ that recent generations have ignored the collected lessons of long standing about life and health.

I cringe whenever I see the young mothers of today carrying around bottles of sanitizer, doing everything they can to keep their kid from getting anywhere near anything that could be even remotely related to a ‘germ.’ It’s no wonder so many people today are so susceptible to all kinds of illnesses. They were never allowed to be exposed to the natural world. More’s the pity.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Sionnach Liath
May 10, 2020 11:08 am

Your last paragraph reminds me of the story of a new mother who carried around extra pacifiers for her baby and would put the dropped one in a ziplock and replace it with a sterilized one from her stash. When her second child would drop his pacifier, she would rinse it off with tap water and put it back in his mouth. When the third child would drop his pacifier, she would pick it up, spit on it, wipe it on her blouse and stick it back in his mouth.

Which child do you think would grow up to have the weakest immune system?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  TN Patriot
May 10, 2020 1:27 pm

TN/LIATH.
You bring up a fond memory of young mothers. Having 5 sisters and countless neices and great neices I have watched how they are with each successive baby. The first is like TN said with the sterile pacifiers. They even get nervous letting the father touch them and they check everyones fingernails who gets close and they call their mothers at the slightest hiccup. The second baby gets bathed but not sterilized and they are glad to let someone else hold it.

RiNS
RiNS
  Sionnach Liath
May 10, 2020 11:09 am

When I was young we used to fish in the brook that ran thru pasture of my Grandparents farm. Back then, the cows could walk thru brook to get from one field to another. Something that is verboten today. Anyways w

We’d skip rocks, catch frogs for the cat, swim in pools where deep enuf and even drink water directly out of brook on hot days.

We never got sick…

Unreconstructed
Unreconstructed
  RiNS
May 10, 2020 11:49 am

When I was young we always swam in the neighbor’s pond. He had a dairy, and on hot days the cows would be out in the water half-way up their bellies to cool off. Many times we would see them piss in the water and I’m sure sometimes they would take a crap. My friends and I would, with much stealth, ease up on the unsuspecting animals (sometimes on short final we would have to go underwater,) come up and grab onto the cow’s tail and get a free ride, body surfing to the bank.
Great fun. I don’t remember getting sick much either.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  RiNS
May 10, 2020 10:52 pm

Trinken das wasser nicht! Die kunen habben gescheissen! Anybody remember that one?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Sionnach Liath
May 10, 2020 11:21 am

My grandmother used the same expression often to me as a young boy….
“You’re going to eat a peck of dirt before you grow up.” 🙂

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
May 10, 2020 1:57 pm

I always heard it was “You eat a pound of dirt before you die”.

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  Sionnach Liath
May 10, 2020 11:22 am

This all part of the reason allergies are more prevalent today. Kids need to play in the dirt when they’re young. Preferably with a dog or cat on hand so that their developing immune system reacts to the environment without over reacting when it’s completely mature. That’s basically what allergy shots try to do…expose you to small amounts of allergen so that your immune system comes to balance with that allergen and does not over react.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Sionnach Liath
May 10, 2020 1:12 pm

With the mentality being beaten into everyone these days, I would say our species has very little time left if things are maintained at this level for long. We live in symbiotic harmony with 99.999% of these little “bugs” (yes, in quotes to capture all of it – fungi, bacterium, viruses, etc.). They protect our skin, lungs, and digestive tract. They are as much a part of our immune system as our own immunoproteins. If we go out of our way to try and kill them all off, the consequences will be devastating. Of course if we continue allowing government, the medical/pharma complex, the banksters, and so many others to continue as they have been, we are doomed as a species too.

credit
credit
May 10, 2020 10:48 am

the only vaccination i’ve ever had was a sugar cube for polio in the 1950s. i HAVE had measles, mumps, multiple whooping coughs, chicken pox, spinal meningitis, flu, colds, scarlet fever, allergic rashes and other maladies. yet here i stand, 67 years old and i haven’t even had the flu in decades. an occasional cold. i measure my immune system against the most vaccinated people on earth and believe i am more fortified.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  credit
May 10, 2020 11:12 am

I am a bit older and had to get the polio shot which was “boosted” with the sugar cube a few years later. the only thing I do now is get a tetanus shot every 10 – 12 years.

As a child, I spent a lot of time outside, eating my share of dirt and insects, swallowing plenty of creek and lake water and chewing on grass and leaves. I am positive all these activities added to my immune system in a good way.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  TN Patriot
May 10, 2020 1:14 pm

I always injure myself often enough to keep my tetanus shot up to date. 🙂

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  credit
May 10, 2020 1:13 pm

I had a sugar cube with something in it once…..it was a wild day!

Steve
Steve
May 10, 2020 11:42 am

From a serious medical perspective, think about what difference there is between a vaginal baby birth and a C-sectioned birth. What bacterial/ viral load does a baby pick up through vaginal delivery vs non-exposure via C-section.
Are there different lifetime outcomes? I’d bet there are.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Steve
May 10, 2020 12:06 pm

Not the first time I’ve heard of this topic, Steve.
i.e., vaginal birth being healthier than c section, from strictly a bacterial exposure benefit perspective.
Obviously, a complicated delivery that puts the mother at risk is a higher priority, where a C section might save lives, and avoid other complicated dangers.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Steve
May 10, 2020 8:32 pm

Steven Wright on Caesarean birth:
Sorry, tried to copy when the joke comes in. 1:50 into the video.
https://youtu.be/Z9ciHpT4WuM?t=113

As I was one too, this was always a hugely funny joke to me. I will say that I had serious upper respiratory infections most of my younger life. When my tonsils and adenoids were removed, much of the problems stopped. But I always had some issues because both of my parents smoked two packs a day and always around me. So hard to really say which had a bigger impact, the smoking or the lack of bacterial exposure during birth. I was also bottle fed which probably had a bigger impact. Mom even smoke while she was pregnant. She died of Alzheimer’s 1 1/2 years ago after likely 10 years of dealing with it. Make of it all what you will.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
May 10, 2020 11:54 am
Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  Francis Marion
May 10, 2020 12:43 pm

I’ve always loved this clip…spot on.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
May 10, 2020 12:10 pm

I imagine the only real difference is with a vaccine you can completely control the amount and strength of the exposure to the individual.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Eyes Wide Shut
May 10, 2020 12:34 pm

but you can’t “control it”. a virus is a virus. it has specific properties.
if it has the power to replicate and overwhelm your immune system…. it will do this, no matter the dose.

it is also wishful thinking to believe that the dosing of vaccines is actually that accurate, given the state of Vaccine Court and the regulations which surround it.

TampaRed
TampaRed
May 10, 2020 12:13 pm

good article–
money,control,arrogance w/an unquestioning faith in what they believe —
the link below is to an article at blacklisted news–
bill gates allegedly offered a $10 million bribe to nigerian congressmen to force a mandatory vaccine bill thru their legislature–

Bill Gates offered House of Reps $10m bribe for speedy passage of compulsory vaccine bill – CUPP alleges

Undisturbed
Undisturbed
May 10, 2020 12:18 pm

As we get older, our thirst mechanism feels more like hunger so it’s important to stay hydrated. Water serves as a regulator for all of our bodily systems. And if we wait until we’re thirsty, it’s too late. Plus… your mom was right when she said eat your vegetables. Especially the fresh ones. I never eat fruits and vegetables at the same meals because the fiber in the veggies slow down digestion enough to cause the fruit to ferment which can cause gas and discomfort.

And, personally, I’ve found exercise in sunlight and fresh air to have been excellent vaccines through the years. For we middle-aged (and older) fogeys, walking and hiking yields very close to the same benefits as running but without the excess strain on the skeletal system. Find your favorite areas like the one I shared with my bride on this fine Mother’s Day morning.

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hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Undisturbed
May 10, 2020 12:36 pm

Two guys from Vermont just came by to pick up a pregnant sow for their homestead. We shook hands, loaded the hog and then we walked around a bit chatting it up. We talked pigs and charcuterie, sampled some pickles and coppa, hung around the back of the truck exchanging info and cash and the thing that struck me right before they left was that all of us- myself and my son, the two guys, and the little boy along for the ride-were all smiling and happy just being together on a sunny day. There was a real camaraderie based on shared values and interests even though we were virtual strangers. There was no fear, no masks and gloves, none of the anxiety I see all around whenever I’m at the gas station or the post office where these doddering fossils stand in a two block line spread out like mile markers, dressed like they’re about to operate on someone, clutching handbags to their bony chests. Just human beings in the world under an open sky.

The only way out of this is for people to reclaim some of their dignity by saying NO to this clown show.

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  hardscrabble farmer
May 10, 2020 3:32 pm

Yesterday, we helped brand and dehorn calves on a ranch of a friend, where we deer hunt. Like you say, no masks, hand shakes, comradery and the most normal and relaxed day I’ve had in months. Nothing like doing it the old fashioned way either.
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Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  Undisturbed
May 10, 2020 12:46 pm

Amen to that!

subwo
subwo
May 10, 2020 12:47 pm

This whole stay in vs go out argument could be summed up by the phrase “The perfect is the enemy of the good”. In a perfect bubble boy world everyone would self isolate until report of zero infections. But the world has never been that way and never will. Almost all should be smart like the Sweden model with government catering to the old and infirm while the rest go about their business. But our world had been taken over by the scare mongers with vested interests in keeping this up as long as possible.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  subwo
May 10, 2020 1:17 pm

And the sheeple who refuse to accept the possibility that others are “doing this” for their own benefit and vested interest. But they are the same ones who refuse to acknowledge Operation Mockingbird, Tonkin Gulf, Pearl Harbor, the Lusitania, 9-11, etc.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
May 10, 2020 12:50 pm

It isn’t the idea of vaccines I object to. It’s the unholy stuff being put in them that is bad.
While we discuss vaccines and the need for them, let’s go back to natures first child vaccination.
Breast feeding!!! Any farm kid remembers the importance of first milk colostrum. If a calf or lamb or piglet didn’t get at minimum a first dose of colostrum from mom or frozen from some other new mother, they would be very unhealthy if they even survived barnyard pathogens.
It is now known that a baby transmitts its needs to it’s mother by breast feeding. She then produces the necessary antibodies and the baby recieves them through her milk.
Around 1960 or so breast feeding was scoffed at and was replaced by an unholy concoction called formula. It not only denied the baby of needed nutrients and antibodies but killed off a huge part of the mother baby love bond that developes. Even after the 6th kid and her breasts hang down like a dairy cow and she only feeds to get it over with, the bond still happens and the immunities still get transferred.

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  Fleabaggs
May 10, 2020 3:36 pm

Yep

Annie
Annie
May 10, 2020 12:52 pm

Follow the money.

Jamesc
Jamesc
May 10, 2020 1:02 pm

I’m no virologist:

But I play one on TV!

TC
TC
May 10, 2020 6:32 pm

I’ve known multiple Indian tech workers who were healthy living over in India but developed allergies or other chronic health problems after being in the states for a while. It’s been too many to say it was a coincidence.

EC
EC
  TC
May 10, 2020 9:23 pm

It was an Indian commentator on the radio who said when he went back to India for a visit, his family suggested he stay off the street food he so wanted because his system was no longer used to the food and it would make him sick.

Henry Ford
Henry Ford
May 10, 2020 9:32 pm

Read:

THE POISONED NEEDLE
Suppressed Facts About Vaccination

By Eleanor McBean
1957

Discussed the smallpox vaccination (and others) and how people that got the vaccine were more susceptible to the virus than those that did not and were naturally healthy. People rejected forced vaccinations long ago.