Written in August 2017 when the leftists first started pulling down statues. It applies perfectly again today. My conclusions stand.
“True patriotism sometimes requires of men to act exactly contrary, at one period, to that which it does at another, and the motive which impels them the desire to do right is precisely the same.” ― Robert E. Lee
I consider myself a student of history. I’ve always been fascinated by the personalities who drove events throughout history. I probably would have been a history major in college if I didn’t feel the need to make enough money to support myself and my family. I chose a business major and decided studying history would be my hobby. Over the years I’ve taken a particular interest in the Civil War. You could even call me a Civil War buff.
I’ve probably read 60 books on the Civil War, from Bruce Catton, Shelby Foote and numerous other historians. I’ve visited the Gettysburg battlefield a half dozen times, as it is only 150 miles from my home. My basement office is decorated with six prints depicting various scenes from the Civil War. One depicts Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson at Fredericksburg, another depicts Jackson leading his troops through Richmond, another depicts Grant taking command of Union forces, another shows Chamberlain leading the charge down Little Round Top, another portrays Lee and Longstreet making the fateful decision to send Pickett’s men on their futile charge into history, and the last showing the slaughter during Pickett’s charge.
I’ve even taken an executive education course in leadership where the final day is a trip to Gettysburg where a park ranger guides you through the three day battle and the professor asks you to assess the leadership shown by officers on both sides during that tide turning battle. My fascination with the Civil War isn’t based on rooting for one side or the other. I wanted to understand the motivations of the main characters and understand why and how they fought that bloody war. There were so many fateful decisions, errors of judgement, acts of courage, acts of cowardice, brilliantly bold maneuvers, and just plain good and bad luck.
Robert E. Lee, before the outbreak of the war, was overwhelmingly regarded as the finest military mind in the U.S. army. Winfield Scott offered him command of all Union forces at the outbreak of hostilities. But he chose allegiance to his state of Virginia, rather than the Federal government. He didn’t fight for slavery. He freed his slaves. He was fighting for states’ rights. He was an honorable God fearing noble man. Stonewall Jackson was an extremely religious man who waged war with a passion, but also taught Sunday School to slaves. Lee and Jackson must be viewed in the context of the 19th century rather than being judged by the standards of the 21st century.
The vast majority of Confederate soldiers who did the fighting and dying during that war didn’t own slaves. They weren’t fighting to maintain slavery. They were fighting because a foreign army had invaded their land. In 1860 this nation was more an amalgamation of states than a centralized government. States still had a tremendous amount of power and leeway to run their states the way they chose. The ever increasing power of a central authority occurred during and after the Civil War. The South were not the bad guys. Their leaders, generals and soldiers were not evil. They were Americans.
The revisionist history now being peddled by the left wing media and their non-thinking acolytes lacks a factual basis, historical context and a true understanding of history. The Civil War was the climax of decades of tension between the North and the South over states’ rights, economic policies, slavery, and a myriad of other complex issues. Examined within the context of generational theory, it was a Fourth Turning that was unavoidable. It was a crucial important event in U.S. history. It wasn’t the shameful episode portrayed by the brain dead faux journalists babbling on CNN and MSNBC.
Illegally pulling down statues of Confederate soldiers and taking videos of “brave” unemployed liberal arts major social justice warriors kicking the Confederate soldier is what passes for activism in today’s warped society. Liberal mayors and city councils across the south are falling all over themselves wasting time and taxpayer money to remove statues of Confederate generals to appease the left and make a display of how anti-racist they can be. Meanwhile, their cities are bankrupt, their infrastructure is decaying, black crime is rampant and their education systems matriculate functionally illiterate deranged snowflakes into society.
These courageous left wing politicians, like the mayor of New Orleans, have statues removed in the middle of the night to avoid protests by those who understand you cannot erase history by removing statues and names. In a hysterical development, Baltimore Mayor Catherine Pugh on Monday said in a statement she intended to move forward in removing several city statutes, including those of Lee and Stonewall Jackson. I suppose the soaring murder rate, blacks rioting and burning down neighborhoods, crumbling infrastructure, failing schools, and white flight is due to a few Confederate statues. It’s good to see this diverse mayor has her priorities in order.
The ignorance and disregard for history knows no bounds for generations taught to feel rather think in our government run indoctrination centers known as public schools. The left wing media reinforces their ignorance with misinformation, fake news and government sanctioned propaganda. Snowflakes across the land melt at anything they are instructed to find offensive. Everything and everyone who doesn’t agree with their half baked views are declared racists.
Pointing out that leftist antifa thugs, without permits to protest, initiated the violence in Charlottesville is racist. The uproar against Trump’s truthful assessment of the situation by CNN, MSNBC and Fox proves there isn’t a wit of difference among these corporate media outlets. True colors are revealed. The ongoing coup attempt against Trump continues unabated.
Trump’s impromptu press conference and his push back of this false narrative was a thing of beauty. The hypocrisy of the left and their utter contempt for facts must be thrown back in their faces at every opportunity. Across the country, 718 Confederate monuments and statues remain, with nearly 300 of them in Georgia, Virginia or North Carolina. There are also 109 public schools named for Robert E. Lee, Confederate President Jefferson Davis or other icons of the Civil War-era South. Will the left be satisfied when all 718 monuments are destroyed and all 109 schools are renamed Oprah Winfrey Middle School? No. They will find something else to be offended about, and violently attack again.
The funniest part about watching these social justice warriors wail and gnash their teeth about the racism of these monuments is knowing these unemployed functional illiterates couldn’t tell you when the Civil War occurred, name two major battles, name five generals, provide a death count within 250,000, or fill in the blank in the phrase Surrender at __________. They don’t know jack shit about history, the Civil War, Lincoln’s true feelings about blacks, or the fact the Democratic Party is the party which suppressed blacks for one hundred years following the Civil War. Only truly ignorant snowflakes think they can erase history by protesting it and trying to destroy monuments to those who fought and died for a cause they believed in.
Do these left wing zealots have any sense of awareness? Maybe they were too busy studying for their gender studies finals to see the reports of the Taliban destroying ancient Buddhist monuments in territory they had captured. Zealots, terrorists, and extremists attempt to destroy symbols that offend them as a way to prove their strength and power. In reality, they destroy what others have built in a feckless effort to boost their self-esteem. Intellectual lightweights attempt to bring others down because they realize their lack of intelligence and inability to get ahead in life has to be blamed on someone else.
Trump was absolutely correct in asking, “Where does it end?” Washington owned slaves. Do we get rid of all dollar bills and quarters? Do we change the name of our capital? Do we change the name of Washington & Lee University to Obama & Spike Lee University? Do we blow up the Washington Memorial? Jefferson owned slaves. Do we get rid of nickles? How about the Jefferson Memorial?
Why stop only in our country? The Egyptian pyramids were built by slaves. Should we tear those down? If these are symbols of hatred and racism that must be destroyed, why do we never hear calls from the left for the destruction of the Nazi death camps. Talk about symbols of hate. Why would we want to remember the holocaust? It couldn’t be that it doesn’t fit the left’s narrative.
This Confederate monument narrative is designed by the left to provoke a backlash from whites who are tired of being scorned, ridiculed, belittled and called racists, rednecks and deplorables by so called open minded progressives. It’s working. The cold race war is beginning to turn hot. The president has no intention of trying to bring the two sides together because it’s impossible at this point. That’s how Fourth Turnings roll. The mood of the country will continue to darken. Reactions to these types of events will intensify. More blood will be shed. It’s too bad these functional illiterates didn’t pay attention in history class or ever read a book. They are going to learn some harsh lessons over the next decade.
“We’re doomed to repeat the past no matter what. That’s what it is to be alive. It’s pretty dense kids who haven’t figured that out by the time they’re ten.” ― Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
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As far as I remember nothing good has ever come out of any person or group who tried to erase history. Think Pot Pol.
Pol Pot
FYI – A great post with similar viewpoints:
We’re Being Played… oh yes H-411, and in light of Admin’s post plus the one you’ve linked, here’s a 7-minute visual meditation on the same revisionist themes and what that does to us and our history through the entertainment / arts avenue
These wreckers are more like the American Taliban, and won’t rest until all American history has been destroyed and banned….
pyrrhus, I don’t see the comment button so I’ll make my comment here in reply.
In the run up to the civil war the back channels contained a proposal from the southern politicians to the Federal government in which the south proposed to end their ‘peculiar institution’ – slavery – in their bailiwick if the Federal government would agree to invade Cuba and other unspecified nations in South America where the institution of slavery would be allowed. If Lee was not aware of this he should have been and perhaps he took a position of my State right or Wrong, which does absolve him of his choice. Black soldiers fighting for the Union and captured as war prisoners by the South were often summarily executed or if lucky returned to slavery. Did Lee and Jackson et al agree with this pogrom? Are we all getting the big picture yet?
This conversation cuts through all the bull and leaves one with a clear view of the who, when, whys and wherefores on American Confederate civil war memorials with a clear view in not erasing history but in setting it straight….
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/08/talk-nation-radio-james-loewen-lies-confederate-statues-tell.html
fill in the blank in the phrase Surrender at __________.
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Appomattox. I did an essay on that in the 6th grade. My dad taught American History at Washington & Lee High School in Arlington, Virginia, and also for the University of Virginia at their Arlington Campus (but made many visits to the Charlottesville home campus of UVA). He instilled a neutral tone with regard to the Civil War–understanding the wrongs of slavery but respecting southern values and traditions and their heroes.
I live in northern Virginia. The Lee name is well-established around here (Leesburg, Lee Highway, Lee House that overlooks Arlington Cemetery, etc.). It’s shameful what these revisionist history idiots are doing. They are uneducated fools, driven only by George Soros payments for protesting. Why is that man not arrested for inciting riots and treason?
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The surrender took place in a home owned by one of my mom’s paternal ancestors.
She was living there because her home had been destroyed in another town during a battle,Bull Run I believe but not sure.
True. McClain was his name. It was said the civil war was begun in his front yard and ended in his parlor. Course after the signing the yankees ransacked his house for souvenirs including ripping up the flooring. Typical yankee shit.
cc,
if that was serious & you weren’t playing around,do you have a link for that?i’ll save it for my daughter,she has starting getting into genealogy.
Here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmer_McLean
That would be “The Mclean House”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEOVNmSR7_c
You are correct T-Red. Wilmer Mclean owned a farmhouse in Virginia that would become ground zero in the opening battle of the CW, 1st Bull Run or Manassas depending on which side you were on. McLean not wanting to have anything to do with either side moved his family deeper into Virginia to a sleepy little hamlet called Appomattox Court House and bought a house there.
Technically, you could say that the main part of the war, aside from Ft. Sumpter, started on his front lawn and ended in his parlor.
Alternate theory of history teaches that McLean was actually running the entire Civil War the whole time. Lee and Grant both worked for him.
hmmm
BRF – You mean like when the Northern Generals saddled up the day after victory and headed west to start slaughtering all the Indians (men, women and children) that were in the way. So much for the Yankee moral high-ground. Read a book. There was no particular admiration of the common Yankee or Rebel foot soldier and black slaves. I suspect interracial feelings were about the same then as today.
PS: One of the four statues removed from New Orleans was the fourth highest ranking General in the Confederacy, PTG Beauregard. He was an abolitionist.
The day after Appamattox, Lincoln ordered 50,000 cavalry to Texas and demanded France leave Mexico.
That is exactly it. Those who run and own the government, the western plutocrats, are out for themselves. Whether they, in America’s case, be either of their sycophant and venal Republican or Democratic parties throughout American history.
As for Beauregard he obviously threw his personal convictions out the door when he signed on in the service of a slave owning southern oligarchy so holding him up as an fine example of Confederate sentimentality is spectacularly irrelevant . I’m certain many Union officers were white male supremacists. Both made their choices and now history is judging those choices. Too bad as the “Dixie” anthem was far better than anything the Union had…Turkey in the Straw for example.
Re: “As for Beauregard he obviously threw his personal convictions out the door when he signed on in the service of a slave owning southern oligarchy so holding him up as an fine example of Confederate sentimentality is spectacularly irrelevant .”
The exposure of illiterate and uneducated propaganda of the left is exhibited in this this thought.
You know naught of what you speak.
I would suggest you google the term “Morrill Tariff”. It will go a long way in explaining that hostilities erupted not due to arguments over slavery but because greedy industrialists in the North (Morrill was a VT Senator and steel executive) raised tariffs by over 100% effectively gutting the South’s ability to export cotton and agricultural products. The other eerie similarity to today’s political landscape is that when Lincoln (a Republican) was elected in 1860, Southern Democrats questioned his legitimacy and did everything possible to undermine his Presidency. Sound familiar?
Also look into the Morrill Act. It has to do with setting up land grant colleges – nothing more than a land grab by the north. The VT senator, speaking for the passage of his namesake act said something to the effect of the purpose of land grant colleges: “…teaching rebel children respect for national authority.”
The fight between individual liberty and state authority has been ongoing for some time… There was a revolution in this country, but it did not occur in 1776 – that was a defensive war against tyranny. The revolution occurred in the 1860s. By the time war broke out, there was nothing civil about it …a civil war is a war within the same country. The Confederate States of America had declared themselves a separate country. They did not secede to start something new, they were continuing the original form of government.
With the surrender of Dixie, state’s rights received a mortal blow, and a centralized government began to consolidate power. Look where we are today.
My ancestor fought in the Maine 20th. At the stacking of arms they saluted the Rebs. We could all take a lesson from them…:
So a talk radio show is going to be your source and you lack the ability to find the reply button. You sound like a really ‘smart’ guy. You most definitely are one of the barely functioning illiterate that simple search out to listen to any ‘expert’ that gives a view that agrees with what you want to say and believe it qualifies as a source. You are a fucking idiot.
American Taliban…great description. May I borrow that?
The Taliban are religious zealots. I do not think the left believes in any form of God and would like nothing more than to erase any mention of God from the American landscape.
Interesting. Hi from January 2021
More like Khmer Rouge.
Don’t forget the Viet Cong murder metaphor…until they got slaughtered in Tet 68 they had their moments hammering that cycle through the hearts and minds of the innocent.
Taliban, Khmer Rouge. Which one will the Proggies call the moderates?
No one is trying to erase history. The Civil War and its antecedents are a morality tale for all of us. What is at issue is memorializing those who berayed their oaths to their brother graduates of West Point, betrayed their oaths as members of the US Army and betrayed their oaths to protect and defend the United States against all enemies both foreign and domestic. Not to be too blunt about it they actually waged war against their own country. It’s really not very difficult or complicated to understand.
What a naive and simplistic view of history you expound. It’s a damn shame they don’t teach kids to think critically and question the narrative anymore. I bet you got A’s in your liberal arts courses for regurgitating what your left wing professors taught you as gospel truth.
Obviously you got A’s at the klan rally where the forgot to mention the south LOST THE WAR !
Oh Seth
Shouldn’t you be cowering in a safe space with the rest of your SJW butt buddies? Ever read a book Seth? Name 5 generals from the Civil War without using your beloved iPhone you fuckwad. I love to see the thought process of you weak kneed pajama wearing pussies. Everyone who disagrees with your warped ideology is a nazi or klan member. You idiots are so predictable. Pathetic.
The South still lost the war and Lee was on the losing side. Talk about being a cry baby. Pretty much everyone on the planet understands this except Nazis and the Klan. If the hood fits wear it !
Seth
Aren’t you late for your ballet class? You do realize the Klan were all Democrats, don’t you Seth? Aren’t you a Democrat Seth? Therefore, you must be a fan of the Klan. I have you pegged as a Bernie loving socialist. Right Seth. You know who else were socialists Seth? That’s right. Nazis. Therefore, you are a nazi loving socialist. See how easy it is to play association games Seth.
Did I make your pea brain hurt Seth? Now go crawl into your safe space and suck your thumb Seth.
Here’s a little history lesson for our 80 level IQ friend.
WHEN THE KLAN HAD POWER: In the 1920s the KKK marched 50,000 men in hoods down 5th Ave in NY–they were headed to the Dem Nat’l Convention
Admin – You are quite generous in assuming Seth has an 80 IQ.
Hey Seth
You do realize it was Republicans who freed the slaves. Knock knock. Is there anyone there? Which party do you vote for?
Besides whigs also owning slaves, slaves in the yankee slave states were not required to be released up until 1867 and the owners were reimbursed with tax money. Grant’s wife refused to release her house slaves until forced to do so. Supposedly she said because good help was hard to find.
So really, your primary complaint is that the Confederacy lost?
So might is what makes “right”?
The Native Americans lost too, so I guess they deserve to be forgotten.
Same for Carthage, but I’m betting you have no idea what the Punic Wars were.
Those far-away northern states weren’t “their country”, that’s why those men supported their own home towns and states when they voted to seceed.
As to the right to do so, that is fundamental. Any organization that you can only join, but never leave, is no different than slavery itself, since forcible coercion (at the barrel of a gun) is what keeps you captive.
We recognize this fact intrinsically in that we, as a society, allow people to enter into and leave relationships, contracts, and even legal unions (marriage) freely.
Changewater.
Seth….your estrogen pills aren’t working anymore and your parent said their stand on abortion in regards to you is retro-active .
same goes for your diaper bub!
Seth made class, Jim. I have video proof.
i made the mistake of clicking on that star–
exhibit one for the side that says we need a posting policy here–
this guy below his real name is : Get a )ew
Hey Administrator,
It doesn’t sound like you have ever raised your right hand for anything but another serving of pie. Civil War buff; BFD! The men and women who have raised their hand and swore to uphold the constitution and defend against enemies foreign and domestic understand what it means. Your flippant disregard for wehaveseenthismovieb4 and his opinion shows how little you understanding of military service. Lee and the others violated their oath. It isn’t that complicated. Slave owners didn’t want to lose their investment in human flesh. There was never any concern for what would happen after slavery ended. The slave owners fucked this country up for generations to come. We are still cleaning up the mess they created by importing millions of people unprepared to live in the western world. The people who hire illegals today are of the same mindset. Make a bigger profit and the rest of the country can worry about what to do with the uneducated low IQ imports and their off spring. The argument that the South was protecting its culture is a laugh. What culture is that? You need to stop making excuses for the Southern plantation owner’s greed. They sowed the seeds that now are the rat infested weeds of the inner cities across America. Southern ignorance and greed created the mess we are dealing with today. Your forefathers weren’t heros, they were money grubbing POS that only thought about making another dollar. “Over 60 books….” What fucking ass clown.
Hey Asshole,
Blow me douchebag. Get a clue is a perfect alias for a blowhard like yourself.
Your rat infested weeds of the inner cities were caused by 50 years of liberal welfare policies after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. You are too brain dead to understand cause and effect. I love when morons with an IQ of 80 spewing a false narrative drop by to take a shit on the site. It allows us to see the ignorance and idiocy of you left wing zealots.
I hope I haven’t triggered you. Shouldn’t you be cowering in a safe space or pulling down another statue to make your pathetic excuse for a life feel better?
I think removing statues because they represent the losers in a war is ignorant and a slippery slope. Why don’t we demolish the pyramids sphinx, and all other artifacts that no longer fit in line with our current thinking? If you think you need to add a plaque to express your side of the issue – do that.
Imo, anything that does not deal with our current crisis, the greatest in all humanity; these end cancer stages of capitalism and a psychopathic philosophy setting the rules for the world are what is most important.
Of all the transient truths we pass through only one remains intact – what do we do to maintain our species. It should be obvious that if we continue to follow the instinctive, survival of the fittest, we will continue to compete among ourselves until there is one man left standing.
Proper use of our consciousness, honesty (efficient technology and logical humanitarian ideas) and working together for the common good of the species with this paradigm shift of using the logic found in consciousness to commit to a non-monetary system and a removal of the psychopaths from the top tier of our global empire system.
I think both sides are angry about the same thing – they just don’t realize it. The real anger is about a country that does not include them in the profits of the empire – but rather being used as just another population to take profits from.
This radical right is ignorant and out of line. They have simply found a scapegoat. Those attacked are right in their demand of protection. Those in control are happy in the perpetual cognitive dissonance.
Huh?
What is this, bring a troll to work day? These morons are coming out of the woodwork. My God, stupidity is evidently more contagious than the plandemic.
Not all blacks were slaves and not all slaveowners were white
Melrose Plantation in Louisiana was owned by a black woman, Marie Thérèse Coincoin, with 85 slaves.
you mean a IQ of 60 don’t you
Clueless:
You don’t seem to understand that Lincoln threw your beloved Constitution out the door when he became president. You have him to thank for the federal abortion we have now that you call a government of for and by the people..
Hey, shit for brains. Lee and the other Confederate officers didn’t violate any oath. They honorably and legally resigned their commissions. They were then private citizens and free to serve their legal state governments in any capacity civil or military. Like most people in the South and many people in the North, they viewed the incoming Lincoln Administration as a purely sectional party dedicated to the destruction of their states, which it soon proved it was. Your ignorance of American history is astonishing. You have a bug up your ass about slavery? Every single European power participated in the slave system in the Western Hemisphere: Spain, France, Great Britain, Holland, Portugal, Denmark, etc. New England was the center of the slave trade in North America. New England slavers brought the slaves to the South, Northern mill owners made enormous fortunes from slave-grown cotton, and the U.S. government was largely run with income from cotton exports. Thank God Administrator has the knowledge and the guts to shut down idiots like you. The Civil War was a national catastrophe for both sides caused by fanatics North and South. I suggest you read the book “When in the course of human events” before you make a fool of yourself in public again.
Most of us who swore to defend and protect understood there might come a day when the orders of the idiots put in command of us by our “betters” would no longer be valid.
Friendly fire isn’t always friendly.
I knew a guy (VN vet) who recounted the story of someone tossing in a grenade into the co’s tent at night because well……idiots
…speaking of those “evil” plantation owners….Check out the native Americans…they owned plantations and slaves AND actively slave traded with the French…before white settlers came, it was COMMON for Indians to take slaves from other tribes-so slavery existed here before we settled this continent..but that doesn’t fit the left’s narrative so you’ll never see this on cnn…to get proper info you need to read a book!
Hold on, Clueless, your amazing level of ignorance has given me a case of the vapors. What planet did you reside on before infesting this planet and spreading your diseased commentary across the land? Perhaps it is you who should “get a clue”(a fitting moniker for a know nothing moron) that loves to hear the discordant clanging of his own annoying bell.
I suppose in your vast studies of the War of Northern Aggression, you have never come across, or even remember the term annulment, which means that the individual states can make null and void federal laws that are not in their best interest. That was the primary spark that set in motion secession and eventual conflict. That’s right, it was Federal overeach of their powers that forced the Southern states to unite in opposition to laws that would put them in a distinct disadvantage for trade, etc.
Slavery was a minor issue at best, certainly not in the hearts and minds of those who were putting their lives at risk to preserve their way of life in the South.
Secession is not only lawful for states to impose, but necessary when it becomes intolerable to live under an oppressive regime. In that case, their oaths to a Constitution that they no longer live under, are null and void, as well.
Your cluelessness is appalling…
Listen asswipe, less than 5% of the population owned slaves. AND a significant portion of that percentage was in the north pre 1861. AND many were white.
IF slavery was the issue – and it wasnt – then why did it take the war criminal lincoln until late 1862 to issue it? [and it didnt even apply to the northern states…] Because even the vaunted marxist lincoln admitted slavery had NOTHING to do with the war of northern aggression. They were losing and he needed some propaganda to rile up the citizenry. Period. he needed the further support of the ‘abolitionists’ and their financiers. Period. Read something other than the jew york times, moron.
Remember dicklick, the Southrons tried to repatriate the africans – the north and the (((carpetbaggers))) are the impetus behind the inner city mess we have today. Them and ignoramuses like you.
Hey dickwad, and i really don’t like invectives but you are so needing it….
take a look at the character of the individuals that were key in the civil war because that speaks volumes. Lee, on one particular occasion after a battle riding through the carnage of the aftermath of a battle comes upon a young soldier from the north who is wounded and venting all manner of hatred at Lee. Lee climbs off of his horse, stoops down by the young man and (instead of taking his head off like i’m sure that you would do) asks him : what can I can I do to help you. Stonewall Jackson… this guy’s character is so impeccable it’s like he can’t possibly be for real. so you know what shithead? Fuck you and the pony stick that you rode in on
Hi Mr. Quinn, I didn’t see a comment button so I wrote here hoping you would see it. I just wanted to say Thank you. I made a comment yesterday, I don’t remember which website, which I never do, and tried to say the same thing you said, not nearly as well or with as much authority, and I just got yelled at! Anyway, well said!
This is great example of why I so favor and promote secession. I want nothing to do with this person. I don’t want to try to educate him nor try to change his mind. It’s a pointless waste of time. I don’t want to have to contend with this statist house negro in any way. I say we go our separate ways. Those southern gentlemen back then they hate so much had it right. When the chasm between men becomes so vast as to tempt mortal conflict the most moral stance is to part company instead. The 4th amendment-right of free association. Only back then the south had the albatross of slavery hung around their necks. Now it will be those tied to the u.s. government who will wear the yoke; “aggressive abroad and despotic at home”. The minions can pull down his statue but never his stature.
CCRider,
Your comments bring honor and glory to the song!
You mean just like what the Left is doing right now by physically attacking the ones on the Right for peacefully protesting. The ones on he Left are destroying statues on public property, what gives them the right to do that ?
Why not begin removing all of the MLK street signs in every city in America and he MLK statues since they can also be seen as racist ?
The left was fighting Nazis … it’s what Americans do and you should applaud them or carry the torch and join the Nazis. Standing with and supporting Nazis in America is as UNAMERICAN AS IT GETS.
The left was bussed in and paid by Soros to create the violence. Dressing in black ninja outfits and wielding bats and mace sure sounds American to me. The stupid, it burns.
So put the fecking dots together….divide and conquer! One of Soros’ buddies will be funding the other side.
Admin: The town I live near has a large water park. Many black folk were there last week, which is unusual, they also protested for BLM that evening. One of the bus drivers for the water park asked where these folk hailed from. They said they came from Houston and were paid by the hour and given free tickets to the water park.
NOTHING about these protests is spontaneous. It’s all engineered and created for media and public consumption. Ditto for the bots on this thread. The nauseating virtue signaling coming from companies, politicians, schools and ‘celebrities’ reinforces a false and totally disingenuous narrative used to promote leftist goals.
Wow six thumbs down…Fucking Nazis
Have another one fuckwit.
Seth .. be glad your last name isn’t Rich. That person’s personal experience with the “left” didn’t end well.
Watch this narrative of the events in Charlottesville:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zGVQVtjO5k
We’ve forwarded your information to the Gestapo, you should be hearing from them shortly, fuckstick.
Seth is one of ((those)) names from the OT, a regular )ew baiter
Vicente Fox, I would rather stand far away from Nazis and Bolshevik Antifa filth. We should let them fight it out and then shoot the survivors.
YouTube took down the video I posted due to “violating graphic content policy”. That video was a rally attendee’s first person narrative of how the police boxed in the Alt-right protestors and made them run a gauntlet between the Antifa.
But this video is allowed that shows an ugly woman’s tits at the rally?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kvN1QhgCZI
We all know by now where YouTube/Facebook/Google stand.
Welcome to 1984.
Rise up, did you know your video link is dead?
Seth The left ARE the Nazis Get a clue should be your screen name jackass
“The Left” are Trotskyites and Maoists. TROTSKYITES AND MAOISTS!
WTF is the matter with all of the jeenyusses who constantly make this labeling and appellation error.
It is like y’all are fucking retarded or something. Sheesh.
Even in our own camp there is regrettable ignorance of early to mid 20th century German history.
Seth it’s evident that you are an idiot and incapable of independent thought. You parrot your script well, you have all the usual words to regurgitate, Nazi, racist, white privlege, cha cha cha….your brain washing is complete.
I hope you are a bot because for a real human being to be so stupid is profoundly and disturbingly pathetic.
Alright Foxy asshole, it’s time for the smackdown. The National Socialist of Germany were in a life and death struggle to defeat the Communist Jews that were attempting destroy the German people and create their version of a Jewish utopia, which translates to hell on earth for the rest of us. You wouldn’t know a Nazi if he bit you in the ass. This must be stupid fucking asshole day here on TBP.
The only group that Americans should be fighting to remove is the communists that are financing the chaos and destruction, just as they always have in every country that they ever got a foothold in .
As an uninformed ignorant asshole, you’ve exposed yourself as being part of the problem and actually opposing those who would be involved in the solution.
Good luck, asshole, when the good guys finally overcome this shit storm, we’ll be sure to look you and your kind up.
Nazis… national socialists… the left…. can you even begin to comprehend you dummkopf
Maybe the left should pull down all statues of Africans. After all, Africans invented slavery when the Egyptian Pharaoh put the Jews into bondage.
The MLK street signs are needed so non locals will know to avoid those areas and keep the car windows closed at when stopped at red lights
Thank you !
It’s also not hard to understand that they lost the fucking war. The Yahoo!’s on this site can’t wait for Civil War part 2 so they ignore facts and tell us we are revisionists.
Charlottesville didn’t have a damn thing to do with the statue it was a hate rally designed to draw out their enemy. Which is anyone who isn’t white and doesn’t support the Asshat in chief, racism or Nazis.
American history (world history) clearly also clearly shows that Nazis are our ememy and should absolutely be met with force when they assemble with Arms in our Nation. In this case of Charlottesville the Nazis/KKK have a better understanding of Lee and the civil war than these revisionists. That’s why they chose this moment and that monument.
It’s easier for them to call everyone a commie, a liberal A snowflake emetc than to admit they are on the wrong side of history.
It’s 2017 time to accept the facts.
Seth Fox doesn’t even know when the war occurred or who the President of the Confederacy was, but he is going to lecture us on history. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. Did your mother have any kids that lived?
Says the person who forgets who won the fucking war and what god damn country he is a citizen of…Like I said, this board cant wait for CW2.0 So they can bask in the racist glory of the old south..#MAGA
Stop pretending this is a history lesson and everyone is dumb. The country moved on past the Civil War, we voted for civil rights and humanity. You lost, just be an open racist and stop pretending this has anything at all to do with anything else. Wear your hood and come out of the closet already. If being a good ole boy racist is so fucking great just admit it openly. Pussy
Sounds like I triggered you Seth. Now don’t get mad. Wasn’t it your beloved LBJ who gave you and your SJW butt buddies civil rights? What a great man. You need to stop coming to a gunfight with just your dick in your hand.
Just as I thought. You are a neo-con, neo-liberal economic agent for the deep state involved in the divide and conquer the populous game….
“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I both know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson”
FDR in a letter to Colonel House (an elected banking go for) Nov., 21, 1933.
That would be both of the political parties that have always held office my bovine by product writing ‘adminis-traitor.
Correcion ..Seth hass a dick in his mouth….that’s why his words are always garbled .
@Seth Fox
Ok boys, hold my beer I’m going in.
You can quote me on this anytime you like in the future, “Nobody won the Civil War”. The entire southern economy collapsed, the president was assassinated, Andrew Johnson revoked all the plans Lincoln was going to put into place to integrate the freedmen into society, Sherman burned a lot of the South’s infrastructure which lead to millions of former slaves starving to death and others being placed in interment style camps. Boss Tweed wrapped up the Civil War by being arrested for corruption and Tammney Hall fell in political power, Ulysses S. Grant’s presidency was a corruption disaster because of carpetbaggers and scandals.
You should probably go read about the aftermath of the Civil War. It’s called the Reconstruction Era.
Lincoln and Seward had plans to ship all of the former slaves either to Liberia in Africa or to Brazil. Lincoln was a “separate but equal” guy, and he was very clear during the Lincoln-Douglas debate that he was of the superior race. He cared nothing about slaves or slavery, only whether or not the abolition of slavery would save the Union.
I am always amused by the moronic leftists who blame whites for slavery. Nobody ever asks where they came from. The answer is that they were captured in the interior of Africa by other blacks, who sold them to the muzzies on the west coast of Africa, to be held in dungeons in castles that still dot the coastline today. When the European and American ships showed up, the muzzies chained up the soon-to-be slaves and brought the merchandise out.
Slavery still exists, perpetrated by the muzzies today in massive slave markets in what was once Libya. Thanks to Cankles and Ojug-ears, there is no government in Libya except for muzzie warlords. The muzzies were always, throughout history, involved in slavery, which is sanctioned by their camel-shit book. The fact that they are letting in these feral animals despite their penchant for absolute hatred of Christian principles and the infidels that practice them. If the leftists are so concerned by racism, why are they ass-kissing every useless muzzie that crosses our border?
Sad Fox said: “Stop pretending this is a history lesson and everyone is dumb. The country moved on past the Civil War, we voted for civil rights and humanity.”
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If that is the case, why are your cohorts tearing down monuments to the war heroes of the south? (who, by the way, were Americans, too.)
It’s the Antifa who haven’t “moved on”, isn’t it?
This is not about the Confederacy or racism or white nationalism to your kind–it is the desire to destroy America and institute some sort of red socialism where individual rights are not allowed.
You closet commies will not prevail in this struggle.
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Vicente Fox, you really are a dummy. We do not care about the civil war but we find an inept Proggie shithead who thinks he’s really fucking smart, building sixth grade level straw man arguments and having shit hemmorages while pathologizing entire groups he does not know, hilarious. We’re fucking with you like a toy and you can’t do jack about it. Maybe you can track us down and jump out wearing a mask whereupon most of us would either shoot you or beat the shit out of you and tie you up for the cops. Where most of us are the cops are real cops and not butt monkeys for some commie Mayor and fruitcake city council of SJW’s
You came here because as “the smart one” your stupid Prog fool brethren heard about a site where intelligent adults discuss the issues of the day but don’t always come to politically correct conclusions demanded by the little snowflakes. Go back and report how we made you cry. Go and tell Google to take us off the net….never mind, that’s already been tried and failed. Like Cromwell said,”In the name of God, go!”
Nice mouth Seth loves to use obscenities I see A typical punk
Totally agree…Everyone should consider it their duty to oppose racism and fascism as the enemies of all humanity. Those opposing NAZI ideology are on the higher ground morally despite whatever the ‘Asshat in Chief’ or the ‘Burning Fecking Platform’ would have anyone believe.
Lee et al made their choice to support the southern oligarchy which relied on slavery for their profiting and positions of power and nothing can absolve them of their choice. And as we can clearly see today slavery continues in many forms so that today’s oligarchy can profit and continue holding their positions of power….
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Blad the impaler. What a scary email address. As usual, with you knuckle headed left wingers, you have no sense of historical context. You morons get your history by watching Black Hamilton. If you people had more than two brain cells, you’d be dangerous. Now get ready for your night shift at McDonalds, with that gender studies degree, and don’t burn the fries this time. You’re on your third written warning.
What an imbecilic comment. You know nothing of what degrees I hold or what I know but I will let you in on a little historical secret. Robert E Lee et al put themselves at service to a southern oligarchy that profited from and held political power through what they called their “peculiar institution” not wanting to say slavery. This continues today in America under different forms and from your take I imagine you are putting on the oligarchy’s uniform every morning as you befuddle the intellectually illiterate here with your codswallop take on history.
BRF….clown college called…they want your degrees back….guess you failed Big Red Shoes 202 .
I’m thinking it was actually you, BaRF, holding the penis pump beneath his robes. How’d you get away with it?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ex-judge-donald-thompson-busted-penis-pump-trials-pension-cut-article-1.968325
BARF, “most here” despise Nazis or White Supremacists. We also despise Antifa Bolshevik filth, SJW’s, Identity Politics, Collectivism, The Federal Reserve System, Redistributionism, Illegal Aliens, safe spaces, etc. You may now bugger off.
Sorry but your identity politics and name calling are off the mark. While I detest the white supremacsts and their NAZI ideology I also detest the Democratic and Republican parties and the divide and conquer tactics they provide for their financial and corporate masters. Nor do I believe in an open door immigration policy but I’ll clue you in as to why it is. You see central bank economists have decreed that the problem with economic growth in America is a lack of working class reproduction, or population growth, and a lack of innovation, engineers are not coming up with enough new marketable products. And before you go running off at the mouth, no I do not agree with this theory.
Tell me this, if a NAZI regime, racist fascism, should take hold in the USA would you be getting up in the morning and putting on their uniform or would you be in the Resistance? I write this as you may soon enough get to make that choice. “Which side are you on boy, which side are you on?”
BARF, Jake pegged you correctly. You would side with the fascists, or whoever would pay you in food. You are not morally superior to anyone else, and your Antifa brethren couldn’t run a daycare let alone a country. If you actually earned any degrees, you need to ask for your money back. Your ignorance of history is evident, and whoever is paying you to troll TBP should look for a smarter one.
Go peddle your ignorance somewhere else, it won’t sell here. We’ve seen too many just like you and cannot be fooled by amateurs.
“It’s 2017 time to accept the facts.”
The facts, as demonstrated by your posts, are that you are historically illiterate (as Admin has pointed out), driven by a failed ideology and incapable of rational thought. The Nazis were SOCIALISTS, just socialists that gained power and built an alliance with the German industrialists. National Socialist Workers’ Party, remember?
I guess you don’t (see Historically Illiterate, above).
Antifa IS fascist in nature; they want to shut down free speech for anyone who disagrees with them. Like another commenter wrote, when he started losing the war Hitler made criticising him a capital offense (gotta keep up morale, you know).
Antifa is every worst instinct and principle of Leftism writ large; go around and assault your enemies with your face covered (so you can slink off quietly and not be identified, especially if you lose the assault) and claim some kind of moral stance when you are a vicious, brutal thug in practice.
What planet are you from that thinks Antifa is some sort of role model?
Go get an education, what you have so far isn’t working.
Wrong..no one fought a world war to stop people fighting Nazis. We did however fight a world war and rid the world of Nazis…Thats what we do.
Nazis were nationalists hell bent on creating a superior race not indoctrinating the world on the benefits of socialism. They enslaved other nations to do the work for them and destroyed the world in the process. The Nazis weren’t formed because of a want of Universal Heath Care you fucking imbecile. They murdered millions of people not over politics and policy but over anti-semitism, hate and a quest to be superior.
Comparing antifa to Nazis and the KKK shows your idiocy. Nazis don’t respond to talk they respond to violence…again I reference WW2.
“Wrong..no one fought a world war to stop people fighting Nazis. We did however fight a world war and rid the world of Nazis…Thats what we do. ”
No, you can’t even construct a rational thought. Where did I say we fought a world war to stop people fighting Nazis? I said the Nazis joined up with the German industrialists. Oh, wait, you’re a Communist then, and you did fight the Nazis – right after that deal to divide Poland between you went south. What a shame Comrade Stalin thought he could make a deal with the devil and have the devil keep it.
… Oh, I get it, you don’t use logic, because it’s a white man’s thought control to keep the black man down. That must be it. That’s why you think I said something I didn’t. Got it.
“Comparing antifa to Nazis and the KKK shows your idiocy. Nazis don’t respond to talk they respond to violence…again I reference WW2.”
Nazis and antifa ARE the same; both want to control thought and silence dissent. You just proved it for me. And if Nazis and Antifa are the same, your second contention about violence is exactly proven by the events in Charlottesville. They are also the originators of violent behavior (at least in this instance, as Trump pointed out in the press conference).
Crawl away in your ignorance. Nothing sane people say to you seems to register. And I’m tired of arguing with an ideologue, whether you’re an Antifa or not.
SJW Seth. Looks like you’re bound to repeat history.
Hey dumbshit The Nazi political ideology is racial fascism…racism you know well enough but you don’t have a clue about fascism. Fascism is the joining of the state and capitalist corportocracy in ruling the population and up to now with nationalistic jingoism as the driving propaganda force….like “exceptionalism” and “the one indispensable nation.”
So are BRF and Seth Fox the same bot? They both write at a seventh grade level, they both spout the usual nazi nonsense like they’re reading from the same script. and they’re both vulgar and stupid. I would call them trolls too but that would give them too much credit.
I think that you have already given “them” too much credit by putting them in -seventh- grade.
James:
Excellent analysis. I was amazed to discover that the state of VA has a statute on the books banning the wearing of masks in public. This became law largely to restrain the KKK “hooded” marches. Lo and behold, the Antifa group shows up in Charlottesville wearing masks, thus violating the statute. To make matters even worse Charlottesville police were standing there watching the masked protestors and did NOTHING. It is a criminal act in the state of VA for a police officer to witness a felony/misdeamener and NOT ask the person to remove the mask. Which is exactly what happened. It’s called Police “misconduct”.
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In all fairness it was the northern and eastern states, in collusion with the federal government, against the southern states. The north started the war. The south did not have a choice. The federal government has always backed the elite.
Wonder how many people know the first state to actually vote to secede from the Union was…
Wisconsin.
Trump and Sessions will squash Antifa shortly. Sell your ninja outfit.
Bet they don’t. No one as yet knows how to squash these types that communicate through social media.
and it doesn’t send the correct message when the feds get felony convictions for the inaugural rioting in january and the judge only gives the guy 4 months in jail–
Prescient.
I should we should have trusted the plan moar harder.
Hey! Three years later and it just goes to show I was right again.
Amazing, isn’t it. I am a damn savant.
all libtards are the most dumb ass people i have ever met they just like to scream a lot about nothing. not unstanding the reasons that led up to the war means you don’t understand very little just like to hear your self talk like most shits that think they have the high ground. if this keeps up it will not end well, if this keeps up then all or most blacks and whites that run with them will be most likely shot for it’s not going to end well for you.
IF the South had not seceded those States would have all become BROKE due to the terrible MORRILL TARRIFF!
Those who think the War was about slavery do not have an understanding of history.
2-3% of Southerners had slaves so what was the cause of the other 97%?
It surely was not slavery.
Perhaps those men had reason to feel the union represented the “enemies foreign and domestic?” Since our army back then could fit in a phone booth, 99% of all combatants were not veterans with previous service who had taken oaths to begin with.
And the current (if laughable) threat by California to secede?
So, as you can see, in 1861 no law existed in terms of prohibiting secession just multiple interpretations of the constitution none of which were interpretations from the Supreme Court in the sense that a ruling was made. This ruling would not be until legislature was reviewed (Texas v. White) in 1869.
The 1869 ruling would be law after 1869 (until a new ruling is made) but not representative of law prior to 1869. Without one of the following three things secession, prior to the Civil War, would not have been unanimously agreed upon as illegal and in regards to law could not have been illegal (in 1861).
A law previously implemented to prohibit secession
A previous Supreme Court ruling prohibiting secession
“Clear text” within the Constitution (no grey area)
In this case as pointed out by T.E.D. “secession is part of what the Civil War was fought over” pointing out that certainly a “grey area” was present within the text of the Constitution which is one of the primary reasons the Supreme Court would later be involved in 1869.
An example of “clear text” within the Constitution:
Article II – The Executive Branch Note Section 1 – The President Note1 Note2 … neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and … in this case it is without confusion that a 21 year old can not be President of the United States.
There is no case to be made that confederate soldiers betrayed the U.S. The real issue is that they are seen as persons who supported slavery… a difficult argument to make given that less than 5% (probably more like 2) of southerners owned any slave. Both north and south had its heroes and villains. To argue for some moral hi-ground owned by bluecoats is to ignore the slaughter and genocide of the Native American people by that same army. History is filled with both beauty and ugliness. Nero, Hitler, Ho Chi Minh, Stalin, Lenin – decidedly evil. But given the millions of people who have lived … an extremely small number (who have done enormous evil) Most are people who believe they and their actions are good. The written accounts of Lee and Jackson don’t describe evil men.. just humans.
But… bless your heart honey. (oh, I’m sorry sweetheart… does honey trigger you?)
https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/2056/was-the-secession-of-the-confederate-states-illegal
They took an oath to the Constitution and were defending it against those who were perverting the true meaning of our founding documents.
The Constitution was an agreement between We the People and the Several States, establishing a central government with limited and well defined powers. The central government was exceeding those powers and usurping the powers “reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” In effect, the Union soldiers were betraying their oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America” when they followed the orders of politicians against their fellow Americans who were trying to establish a separate nation based on the original Constitution.
Wehave….as a representative of my family members who fought in the War For Southern Independence I would like to invite you to go fuck yourself.
Not one Confederate was tried for treason….why because the powers that be knew no one had committed treason.
See, here’s the problem. We have a large group of ignorant narcissists who are determined to recreate the world in their image. They don’t have a clue, they have never made anything, created anything or actually worked at something in their entire useless lives. They have no real education, they cannot create, all they know is destruction. A commenter from Zerohedge nailed it… hats off to you, anonymous commenter….
Some of you have done NOTHING with your life and you’re mad. You have a college degree & a smart phone with access to virtually *anything* and you can barely get out of bed in the morning while you spit on people who built a whole world with nothing but a horse, map, & axe.
You’ve made nothing with access to everything. You’ve conquered nothing. Hell you can’t even conquer yourself. So go tear it all down. Scream into the void how unfair it all is. It’s not that you’ve wasted your short time here. Surely not.
Don’t bother with your own legacy you’re busy shitting on the long dead who aren’t here to care. Go burn down every Starbucks. That’ll show them. Torch the Target. Tear down every monument. Deface every memorial. But what have you built? What do you leave behind?
So take your benzos. Watch your porn. Get Uber to drop off your dinner. Buy an adult coloring book. Have sex with strangers to ease your crippling anxiety. It’s not you. It’s the system really. It isn’t fair. Go cancel someone. Dox someone. They deserve it. You’re the good guy.
Don’t write an epic novel worth building a statue to remember you. Go troll seven year old problematic tweets ever on the hunt for the boogeymen. See now you’ve accomplished something. Cancel everyone. You’re a warrior now. A real hero.
And lastly whatever you do never ever take even a moment to self reflect on your own failures. Never own them. Never take a hint of responsibility. Remember you’re just a helpless victim of circumstances beyond your control. This all means nothing. Its like you weren’t even here.
Actually, the exact opposite is true – the war criminal lincoln is guilty of treason. The definition of treason is ‘waging war against one or more of the STATES; either you must admit that the war criminal lincoln and his accomplices did this if you reject the Souths lawful secession, or admit that he/they attacked a sovereign nation with no provocation solely in a lust for power and plunder. THAT is the lesson here, and one I suggest you learn. Turn off the tv…
KaD: Not necessarily. If we remove all the reminders of slavery, I can say “REPARATIONS FOR WHAT?”
Pickett’s Mill Battlefield State Park is nearby. Will it be slated for extinction?
Prompts reflection on another local landmark known as The Etowah (pre-) Indian Mounds. Although a 54-acre archaeological site, it strangely has no in situ artifacts on display, only domestic pieces from other “similar” sites. When peaked curiosity inspired research, I came across newspaper articles from 1880s of royal-appearing skeletal remains, precious jewelry, stone-carved inscriptions, fabric coverings, etc. These were unearthed, examined by team of scientific professionals, and shipped to Smithsonian Institute. Hmmm . . . where are they now?
Two more ponderings: Is our history currently being re-written/erased? Has historical knowledge been eliminated in the past??
Those artifacts were from my ancestors…The Solutreans…who were here in North America first…before the Native Americans.
Not all rabbit holes are created equal. The implications of what lies down that hole are mind boggling.
It is year zero…..the communists always change everything that came before to eliminate any threat to their power. You will work hard for a bowl of rice a day…..It’s a Holiday in Cambodia…..
This insurgency will continue until stopped…..doesn’t seem that Trump is up to the task and the leftists in the military are in a state of mutiny.
There will be blood….it is a 4th Turning.
Bravo, The Truth Shall Set You Free.
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I live on a farm that was homesteaded by a man who just returned from the Civil War. When hard times have come upon me, I think about how that man must have rejoiced to just come back alive and to live here and be happy with his new fate of clearing oak trees and busting the thick and difficult sod, and of course building a meager dwelling with only an axe and handsaws.
I salute all veterans of war. But especially those who fought in the terrible conditions of the U.S. Civil War.
Excellent essay. Thank you for writing it.
Idaho Homesteader
If you tried to erase MLK, Frederick Douglass and Crispus Attucks from American history these same idiots would be aflame with righteous indignation. Why is it OK to insult, denigrate and remove Confederate history and not black history?
Idiots demand idiocy like criminal demand crime, and with about the same results: someone gets victimized. It won’t always be the same somebodies, either.
Eventually it will all go down, along with the Parthenon and the Pyramids….slaveholders all!
James- Who said it is not OK to remove black history? The next phase in the shit-stirring will be for whites/stormers to pull down black statues. The wailing and gnashing of the teeth will be off the charts.
Perhaps we could replace the torn-down statues with black inventors….
Oh, wait…
Blacks have invented large numbers of important inventions. The automatic oiler which spawned the saying “Is that the real McCoy” as they were counterfeited. Blood transfusion. Traffic lights. Hundreds of patents from Carver.
I have never understood why today’s broader Black community denigrates their people of accomplishment, especially genius life savers like Dr. Carson.
Very good article. Around here many still call it “The Northern War of Aggression” More and more around here are home schooling.
You nailed it!
I’m on the fence about our placement of this fourth turning. Many are waiting for the climax to begin and I wonder at times if we’ve already past it. Personally, I think we’re headed into the resolution phase of the clear winners and losers. Hillary was clearly a loser after the election, followed by the Russia narrative, then CNN fake news, and possibly soon-to-be Rupert Murdoch and the RINOS.
At the same time the old social order is still alive but close to kicking the bucket. The wars and battles we seem to be facing are of false ideologies left over from the radical 60’s and a realizing our post WW2 foundation was built on a shit ton of propaganda and lies orchestrated by the federal government.
I viewed the Charlottesville protests as very ho-hum/meh and I think Trump beat the propaganda machine by slaughtering the last of the 1960’s New Left sacred cow by placing equal responsibility for violence on the counter-protesters.
The protestors themselves appeared to be a very small minority group and this protest was barely a brushfire. I live in the South and personally don’t care about slavery or the monuments outside of preserving history for the next generation. All the millennial Antifa protestors seem like attention seekers crying over fake oppression. When I lived in Alabama I met several Selma Marchers when they were celebrating an anniversary of the march. The Antifa fanatics don’t have a shred of the same class as their Civil Rights elders.
The entire fourth turning appears to be taking place on the internet more so than on the streets. Political ideologies and figures are easily being outed and defeated. It didn’t take long for Zerohedge, Breitbart, and The Daily Caller to out Unite The Right leader Jason Kessler as a former Occupy/Obama support who somehow suddenly switched political extremes in November 2016. It didn’t take Redditors long to find pictures of the Ukraine Coup similarities and John Mccain being photographed with Neo-Nazis.
Great post Steph. America is waking up to the benefits of the red pill diet.
Steph,
beautiful statements and very well laid out.
Thanks, and you my dear, are a smartie.
Trump’s reference to the Alt-Left was a master stroke…
Wrong Clammy, this fourth turning is just winding up. With each fourth turning more people die than in the previous one. Millions will die in this fourth turning. Its just starting
Right on, Stephanie… Why don’t you flesh this out a bit and fill me in on the role the television plays in this 4T? I don’t know if I remember the exact numbers, but I think the 1960s was the decade that prompted Marshall McLuhan’s observation on human consumption of information, http://web.mit.edu/allanmc/www/mcluhan.mediummessage.pdf Something like 100 thousand television sets were being sold every single day in the 1960s, with people restructuring their lives around “tuning” in to watch the news and the network lineup.
If you think that enormous shift in data flow and directed information didn’t set the tone for this Fourth Turning, then take a look at all the freaking cell phones and tablets and try to imagine what the world looks like to someone who has never talked to a REAL PERSON other than via a screen. It is scary to consider, but these punks do not look as if they think the “other side” is real people.
Maggie – besides the other great historical and contextual replies to this thread – I feel your comment here is the most important. Tech is destroying humanity. There are so many more important things for “people” to do to better themselves than get involved with this nonsense (as well as the scripted media).
Besides tech and propaganda – our next step is to cut government down to size. But how is that even possible these days?
Spot-on, Hoboken. I might have missed Maggie’s
excellent reply if you hadn’t pointed it out. Thank you both.
Looking into McLuhan’s works means going down the rabbit hole though. Surprise awaits.
I so hope you are right, Stephanie. I can’t get over the unease I feel.
Powerful people want war. They need to distract us from the economic train wreck we are about to run into.
Not to mention the powerful spiritual forces that thirst for blood.
This is just the beginning of woe if we are indeed in the Middle of the next 4th turning.Kinda like being in a really good
movie with all the twisting and turning. Probably a good idea to stay away from crowds .Even being a spectator can get you killed. Thanks Jim for all your writing.
Yes, perhaps it would be fitting for history to repeat with a CWII. It would be interesting to see the northern states experience the agony of total war. Everything burned to the ground from one end of each of their states to the other. Fathers, sons, daughters, brothers lost with whole families wiped out.
The unlucky survivors will have the task of living in poverty and reconstruction and just to make their miserable lives more interesting, the south will expel every last black to live in the newly acquired northern territory of the new southern controlled US. 150 years of poverty should be just about enough to boil over the hatred of the north as they will yet again forget to learn from their history.
Nazi book burners.
Grant ?
“So what is comes down to is the Grant family owned slaves longer than the Lee as the slaves in question were from Julia’s family, not Grant’s personal slaves. That being said, of course, in that day and age, that meant Grant was in control of them. (because women were almost chattel property also ?)It is interesting to see that both of these men – the two opposing Civil War generals – were slave owners at one point or another in their lives”
Or Sherman ?
” To help break the natives’ spirit, Sherman took a page from his Civil War playbook and set his sights on destroying one of their primary resources: the buffalo. Beginning in the late 1860s, he organized the killing of some 5 million bison in an effort to drive the creatures to the brink of extinction. Sherman continued his harsh policies after becoming commanding general of the army in 1869, and by the 1870s, he had helped force most of the Plains peoples onto reservations.”
Oh yeah, they won’t stop with there litany of complaints until they wipe it all out, yankee and southerner alike…
Monger What do you call the internet censorship being carried out on an ever increasing rate online by leftist Nazis like Youtube Google and Farcebook Its nothing but a modern day book burning carried out electronically where 95 percent of reading is done today
A sobering article and sobering posts shining a bright light on the dark times we are living in. The more the past is opened, the greater the complexities and motivations are revealed of the fateful decisions that were made that shaped who we are today. The interactions of all the players can be like watching the forming and passing of a storm; the study of history is beautiful and awe inspiring; when you begin to see how your great grand parents puzzle pieces fit into the tapestry of time.
How painful it is then, to hear some revisionist boil it all down to North: good. South:bad. Destroy the history.
Little by little it will be found that when we destroy history we are destroying our selves.
If the revisionists on The Left, and their puppeteers were to do nothing from here on out, no rallies, Antifa BLM thuggery at all, they would face no reprisals. Even if those who love Liberty ruled with never ending majorities.
However, if we who cherish freedom for all opinions, do nothing, we will wind up violently attacked, killed, and pressed in to small pens with shackles. We do not have the largess to just sit around appeasing and smiling as our very lives are at stake.
Many pacifists and pussies with otherwise good intentions think we can reason our ways out of this by helping a mentally denatured population see fact from feelings. We can’t. it MUST be a shooting, stabbing, clubbing, paroxysm of Leftist and Globalist blood. One so violent, we keep it in all history books forever, so that our children and grandchildren will understand The Left is a cancer that only responds to surgical precision.
Enough talking, myself included. We are exponentially tumbling through a technological 4th turning. The pace is as explosive as the gases that propel a bullet, now we just need to focus our energy. One year of blood, for our children to know a lifetime of free speech.
I won’t strike the match, but I will be the flame. Armed. Ready. Sic Semper Tyranis. What happened in Jefferson’s backyard the other day was the attempted murder of lawful protesters, by armed Antifa and BLM mercenaries and their State apparatchiks. Are we going to allow it?
The protestors are just tools fueled by
ignorance. The mayor and governors are
tools of the orchestra conductor. Going out
for hand to hand combat against the ignorant
actors, also paid agent provocateurs, isn’t
going to be helpful.
Eliminating the conductor is where the focus
should be. Not murder people, I’m not saying
that; remember there are many ways to get
downtown. Focus.
Obadiah
I sure hope NOT brother
Live in C-vile , was out Sat early @ 7 a.m. …helicopters hovering over downtown got my attention,never seen before. Groups of 3 Va
State police cars traveling together both directions both sides of town
Have to go with this a gov psyop.
Va University n Langley Va …
Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
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A woman who took part in the toppling of a Confederate statue in Durham has been arrested and slapped with felony charges, cops said Tuesday.
Takiya Thompson, 22, has been charged with disorderly conduct by injury to a statue, damage to real property, participation in a riot with property damage in excess of $1,500 — and inciting others to riot where there is property damage in excess of $1,500, according to the Durham County Sheriff’s Office.
The last two offenses are Class H and Class F felonies, with each carrying a sentence of up to 25 months and 41 months behind bars, respectively.
Deputies took Thompson, a member of the far-left Workers World Party and a student at N.C. Central University, into custody Tuesday shortly after she appeared at a press conference with other protesters.
“The people decided to take matters into our own hands and remove the statue,” Thompson told reporters. “We are tired of waiting on politicians who could have voted to remove the white supremacist statues years ago, but they failed to act. So we acted.”
Investigators said Thompson confessed to climbing the monument and aiding in its removal after being identified through cellphone video.
Authorities have been are using the footage, which was captured by cops, to identify all of those responsible and bring them to justice.
“The Sheriff’s Office is executing search warrants and additional arrests are expected,” officials said in a press release.
Speaking to local TV station WNCN, Durham County Sheriff Michael D. Andrews added: “No one is getting away with this.”
The group behind Monday’s statue stunt has called on the Durham County Commissioners, the Durham Sheriff’s office and District Attorney’s office to drop the charges against Thompson — while also urging the City of Charlottesville to drop charges against anti-racist protesters that were arrested there last weekend during the deadly “Unite the Right” demonstrations.
Durham County officials have asked the public to conduct a “respectful and productive” dialogue on race issues following the destruction of the Confederate monument, which was erected outside the old courthouse in 1924 “in memory of the boys who wore the gray.”
Thompson was allegedly caught on camera Monday climbing a ladder, tying a rope around the statue’s neck and helping the crowd pull it down — all while cops stood by and did nothing.
Sheriff Andrews insisted Tuesday that even though it seemed like authorities weren’t initially bothered by the incident, they’d be prosecuting the protesters to the fullest extent of the law.
“As the Sheriff, I am not blind to the offensive conduct of some demonstrators nor will I ignore their criminal conduct,” Andrews said. “With the help of video captured at the scene, my investigators are working to identify those responsible for the removal and vandalism of the statue.”
Andrews added, “My deputies showed great restraint and respect for the constitutional rights of the group expressing their anger and disgust for recent events in our country. Racism and incivility have no place in our country or Durham. I am asking both city and county leaders to establish guidelines and safe spaces for
There were something like 200 Leftists charged with felony rioting for the inaugural riots.
Nothing has come from that yet and I doubt anything serious is going to. I expect the charges to be quietly reduced and/or dismissed without any publicity.
No one ever seems to follow up on these demonstration arrests and it is usually impossible to find out what actually happened to those arrested.
not impossible, police reports will indicate info, the offenders probably have facebook sites or blogs, they should be easy to ID and locate, if only they were employed we could out them to their employers and use their tactics against them to get them fired..
Well, now everybody knows this is actually being called a “felony.”
Check your local laws, but in MN a citizen has the right to make an arrest to stop a felony.
Apparently the po-pos in Durham do not, if it’s only “freedom of expression while committing a felony.”
Whodathunkit…
Anonymous says:
August 16, 2017 at 7:36 am
There were something like 200 Leftists charged with felony rioting for the inaugural riots.
Nothing has come from that yet and I doubt anything serious is going to. I expect the charges to be quietly reduced and/or dismissed without any publicity.
No one ever seems to follow up on these demonstration arrests and it is usually impossible to find out what actually happened to those arrested.
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Anon, There is follow up. Read this:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-15/doj-demands-13-million-ip-addresses-visitors-antifa-website-used-coordinate-riots-0
Also been no charges for any of the cops who execute people everyday ? Geez wonder why BLM was formed. You want to prosecute protestors of the state but not agents of the state when they execute unarmed citizens ?
“Hands up don’t shoot” Remember that lie?
Give me a break.
BLM was formed because George Soros paid it to be formed. Execute people every day? Exaggerate much?
Another snowflake heard from. The stupid it burns.
Nice conspiracy theory..Imagine much ?
Another pussy blaming everyone but the man in the mirror with selective memory.
http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/646587
Nice article of “Ferguson Protesters” protesting not getting paid.
You’re welcome.
Before the events at Ferguson, MO, I attended a Los Angeles County Sheriff watchdog workshop that was put on by a woman named Patrisse Cullors. I didn’t know her before then but my colleague on my blog had known her for quite some time and had given her advise and money for her organization. She was struggling then. But she was authentic. She was for real. Her brother and dad had bad run ins with LACS and she was trying to do something about it. Then Ferguson happened and Patrice was in the national spotlight as one of the co-founders of BLM. I was happy for her. BUT, then she took the Soros money, around $650,000. Imagine you’re running a small non-profit and you’re always broke. Then WAMO Soros drops $650,000 on you (interestingly, less than the other co-founders). Ever since, she carries the water for Soros. No longer can you talk about the impact of unbridled immigration on black wages. It’s all about spreading the cult of multiculturalism and get whitie. It’s tragic. Just goes to show it is easier to do well by pushing evil than doing well by doing good.
Kevin
I love when real people like yourself confirm what we all believe to be true with facts.
You are welcome. Soros is the lynchpin in so many of these counterproductive events. I live in Lancaster, PA now and ran into an Soros operative last winter who had just been parachuted in from Chicago to be a “community organizer.” They are clever with their infiltration. For instance, they led a rally on the healthcare debate a while back that attracted Progressives like myself. They will pull the permits, get the PA system and line up the speakers. It gives them the advantage then of controlling the dialogue. Hence, never a dissenting voice is heard. And most people are happy to have someone do all the work and flip the bill. But they also make sure to conflate all the other issues of the Soros agenda which is ultimately to bring down the state. When I look at all the big rallies that have been staged since Trump took office I am keenly aware of the great cost in terms of money and effort that went into staging them. I’ve staged small events and can attest to how hard it is to get people to show up. These huge events require very deep pockets. DC Leaks of the OSF show what he is willing to committ. in 2016 Soros poured close to $110 million into US operations alone. Combine that with the kind of money spent foundations like Ford and you can see where any government can be stressed. And Soros is smart. He understands that a $50K investment at the right time and in the right place can pay off big down the road when it comes to implementing his agenda.
National Review has an article today detailing how BLM is uninterested in civil rights except as a recruiting angle. It is now hard left, pro anything anti-American. Just like the NAACP is really the NAALCP-National Association Of LIBERAL Colored People.
Put all these groups in a bag and shake it up and it all comes out as the same Commie steaming pile.
Put all these groups in a bag and shake it up and it all comes out as the same Commie steaming pile.
Indeed. One of the people who has influenced BLM the most is noted cop killer and devout communist, Assata Shakar. She is deified and venerated by the BLM crew.
Assata Shakur, who has been living in exile in Cuba for over thirty years, is a hero to communist revolutionaries for her involvement in the 1960s and 1970s with a violent, criminal Black Panther Party offshoot called the Black Liberation Army. Shakur and the group robbed several banks as a revolutionary act and eventually killed a New Jersey State Trooper with his own gun after a highway stop in 1973.
Like they did with the Occupy Wall Street protests, the media has presented their audience with a sanitized image of a radical, far-left group.
BlackLivesMatter is not an organization of well-meaning activists; they are dedicated radicals with an anti-police agenda, paying homage to the violent Black Liberation Army gang–another frightening example of how Marx has gone mainstream during the Obama administration.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/09/02/exposing-black-lives-matter-for-what-it-is-promotion-of-cop-jilling-n2046941
I remember that in 1993 .gov started FinCEN, which among other things tracked all money transactions down to $5000.
By this time, they are down to $500 or less.
One would think with the massive computing power and data available, tracking any financial transactions, nefarious or not, would be fairly routine…
Seth I heard that a year went by before you realized that the 2nd hand laptop you bought was an Etch A Sketch ….that explained why you had to shake it to get it to re-boot .
actually,the first guy to plead out anon pled to 2 felonies-
problem is,the judge only sentenced him to 4 months in jail–
i posted it on a thread a week or 2 ago but i do not remember which article–
“Thompson, a member of the far-left Workers World Party…” Here is the real story. All this conflict is, IMHO, orchestrated by the Communist International. Part and parcel of a 200 year plan to defang and eliminate the USA as a barrier to total Communist domination of the planet. Soros is long suspected of being an agent provocateur of the COMINTERN. Stir up internal strife to the point all American troops have to be recalled to the CONUS to restore order, and you leave the rest of the world wide open.
FYI to POTUS: No more press conferences. You are playing the ANTIFA’s game on their playground by their rules. You cannot win in such a circumstance.
As Sun Tsu wrote in “The Art of War”, Know your enemy and know yourself. In a hundred battles you will not be in peril.
“…all while cops stood by and did nothing.”
“Sheriff Andrews insisted Tuesday that even though it seemed like authorities weren’t initially bothered by the incident, they’d be prosecuting the protesters to the fullest extent of the law.”
The system needs clients. Beware.
Funny how they can get those who take down the statue so quickly, but not the people beating up the blacks in a parking garage. And tell me about where chanting” jews will not replace us ” happened in the civil war. Lee would want his statue taken down if it attracted these types.
Context, it’s all context.
Funny when you see a 5-second clip of a nigger getting stomped, you miss the previous 5-second clip of said nigger running in and Pearl Harboring one of those individuals.
And you’ll hear that and more in this Civil War, until it turns Uncivil.
At that point you better have left.
— “jews will not replace us”
They weren’t chanting that. You’ve been lied to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og682YIrl7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZb6kfctEU
How many other lies have you fallen for?
— “…but not the people beating up the blacks in a parking garage.”
You mean this situation? The one where people walked patiently as others waved weapons at them, got up close and hostile with them… and eventually… at 5:33… someone actually swung and HIT one of them? You mean that situation? Where a black man struck them and a fight broke out?
What about a few minutes later as the antifa started assaulting a white haired elderly man?
You mean finding those people? You are being lied to. I hope you setup email notifications because you are in for a world of shock when that wool finally gets removed from your eyes and you realize you’ve left an internet trail as to who you are and what you were *actually* defending.
Anderson Cooper or Rachel Madcow will be interviewing this felony bitch and fawning all over her. Soon if it hasn’t already happened…..I can’t say ’cause I don’t watch!
She say:
“We are tired of waiting on politicians who could have voted to remove the white supremacist statues years ago, but they failed to act. So we acted.”
Dr. Yaba Blay, a professor at NCCU who taught Thompson in a Black Lives Matter course last spring, told HuffPost that the “brilliant” student has received hate mail and death threats from white supremacists in the wake of her arrest.
“Me, just a professor who is trying to support her, I’ve also received the same,” Blay said.
“I’m concerned about her safety but I’m also concerned about the charges, because we’re talking about felony charges. It’s a big deal.”
Dr. Yabba dabba er, Yaba Blay according to http://yabablay.com/about/
Dr. Yaba Blay is a professor, producer, and #ProfessionalBlackGirl. As a researcher and ethnographer, she uses personal and social narratives to disrupt fundamental assumptions about cultures and identities. As a cultural worker and producer, she uses images to inform consciousness, incite dialogue, and inspire others to action.
Yeah well, I guess that call to action worked. Two Felony charges and various misdemeanors so far.
They should make that ugly woman( and I use that term VERY hesitantly) pay to replace the statue as it was beforehand
Today they get a medal. What a difference three years makes.
We are fucked.
GREAT essay Admin!!!!!
B’more removed all of their “offensive” memorials last night in the cover of darkness……..let the kneegros have the damn cities, not sure why any white person would want to reside within 100 miles of these shitholes.
Tearing down symbols of SLAVERY?????
Tear down ALL the holocaust museums & Synagogues ……
Jews were behind the Transatlantic Slave Trade… The names of Jewish Slave Ships and their owners: The “Abigail -Caracoa” – Aaron Lopez, Moses Levy, Jacob Crown, Isaac Levy, Nathan Simpson – “The Nassau” – Moses Levy The “Four Sisters” – Moses Levy The “Anne” and The “Eliza” – Justus Bosch and John Abrams The “Prudent Betty” – Henry Cruger and Jacob Phoenix The “Hester” – Mordeci and David Gomez The “Elizabeth” – Mordecai and David Gomez The “Antigua” – Nathan Marston and Abram Lyell The “Betsy” – Wm. De Woolf The “Polly” – James De Woolf The “White Horse” – Jan De Sweevts the “Expedition” – John and Jacob Roosevelt the “Charlotte” – Moses and Sam Levy – “The Franks” Jacob Franks Moses and Sam Levy Jacob Rader Marcus – “All through the eighteenth century, into the early nineteenth, Jews in the North were to own black servants; in the South, the few plantations owned by Jews were tilled with slave labor. In 1820, over 75 percent of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah owned slaves, employed as domestic servants; almost 40 percent of all Jewish householders in the United States owned one slave or more. There were no protests against slavery as such by Jews in the South, where they were always outnumbered at least 100 to 1….But very few Jews anywhere in the United States protested against chattel slavery on moral grounds.” United States Jewry, 1776-1985 (Detroit: Wayne State University Press, 1989), p. 586. “The Jews of the Joden Savanne [Surinam] were also foremost in the suppression of the successive negro revolts, from 1690 to 1722: these as a matter of fact were largely directed against them, as being the greatest slave-holders of the region.” History of the Marranos (Philadelphia: Jewish Publication Society of America, 1932), p. 292. The following passages are from Dr. Raphael’s book Jews and Judaism in the United States: A Documentary History (New York: Behrman House, Inc., Pub, 1983), pp. 14, 23-25. “Jews also took an active part in the Dutch colonial slave trade; indeed, the bylaws of the Recife and Mauricia congregations (1648) included an imposta (Jewish tax) of five soldos for each Negro slave a Brazilian Jew purchased from the West Indies Company. Slave auctions were postponed if they fell on a Jewish holiday. In Curacao in the seventeenth century, as well as in the British colonies of Barbados and Jamaica in the eighteenth century, Jewish merchants played a major role in the slave trade. In fact, in all the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, Jewish merchants frequently dominated. “This was no less true on the North American mainland, where during the eighteenth century Jews participated in the ‘triangular trade’ that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa. Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750’s, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760’s, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760’s and early 1770’s dominated Jewish slave trading on the American continent.” Consider the undertaking of a lone Jew, the Portuguese, Aaron Lopez, who plays an important part in the over-all story of the Jews and Slavery. Concerning the entire commerce of the Colonies, and the later State of Rhode Island, (which included Newport) bills of lading, concessions, receipts, and port clearances carried the signature name of the Jew Aaron Lopez. This all took place during the years 1726 to 1774. He had therefore more than 50% of all dealings under his personal control for almost fifty years. Aside from that there were other ships which he owned, but sailed under other names. Aaron Lopez and his family arrived in Newport around 1750 from New York via Lisbon, Portugal. Lopez arrived in the new world as a member of a “Marrano” family with the Christian name of “Don Duarte Lopez.” Lopez immediately dropped his Christian name and took the Hebrew name of Aaron and submitted to ritual circumcision. Within twenty years, Lopez owned or had interests in over 80 sailing vessels. Lopez was also one of the original founders and contributors of Touro Synagogue and by the end of his life was recognized as one of the “Merchant Princes” of early America. His merchant trading interests included rum, molasses, dry goods and African slaves. In the year 1749, the first Masonic Lodge was established. Ninety percent of the members of this first lodge, fourteen all told, were Jews. And one knows that only so-called “prominent” individuals were accepted. Twenty years later, the second Masonic Lodge, “King David,” was established. It is a fact that all of it’s members were Jews.
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The confederates were being manipulated by the british who wanted control of the the US. That is why the confederate flag imitates the union jack because it real purpose was to institute british control again over the US. the supposed allies were the people behind the scenes, unless you feel they care about states rights. What country owns more land in the US than any other. yea you got it. not only did you lose the civil war, you lost the revolution dear pawns.
That is not the Confederate flag. It is the Battle Flag of 1863. The Confederate flag which almost no one knows what it looks like is “the bonnie blue flag that wears a single star.”
dio23,
was it fake history that i learned about why the brits would not help the south?
that the queen was opposed to slavery and withheld her approval to intervene or help the confederacy?
She let somebody supply the South with an awful lot of Enfield rifles and the outstanding Whitworth sniper rifles.
The weapons dealers will always find a way to sell their wares in wartime.
First, they had taken quite a drubbing in the War of 1812 (not to mention 1776) and knew what war with a now-industrialized North would mean. Second, they continued to trade with every cotton-carrying blockade-runner they could. Compare this to WWI, when, though the U.S. was officially neutral until 1917, the British had been seizing American ships carrying cotton and foodstuffs, which were not war materiel, but which they quite illegally claimed would help the Germans
Among family letters that are the subject of a book I am writing is one Robert E Lee wrote to my great great grandmother thanking her for her hospitality. I don’t have it handy and can’t quote it from memory, but I recall the general’s eloquence and humility and a sense that the nation had been caught up in a momentous tragedy. I was horrified that historical illiterates wanted to pull down the statue of such a man. The more dangerous illiterates of course are the talking haircuts in the media. Something doesn’t seem right about all of this attention being paid to conflict between two groups of obvious losers. I didn’t pay much attention at first. Curious how that car drove right into the crowd, very slowly at first, with police standing by not thinking to divert al traffic.
John, the way things are going it may be illegal to own that letter someday soon.
An ill-eagle would be U.S. at this moment in His-Story.
Functional illiterates not only erase history, they do just as much damage, if not more, by making history. How? Well, those worthless fuckers ….. vote!!
Magnificent essay.
Too many of them vote multiple times, the old Dem motto: Vote early, vote often !
Why care, the military can’t keep track of far greater sums which means it ends up in the hands of organized crime.
I miss Stuck.
On the horns of a dilemma …..
You see a black man and a white man pulling down a General Lee statue. You have a gun with one bullet. Whom do you shoot? (Hypothetically …. you fucken NSA goons.)
Me? I’m tapping the despicable traitorous self-hating white fuknut. (Cuz I can almost understand the black guy’s motivation.)
As for me, I prefer not to engage in murder of anyone.
How in the hell do you downvote this?
Because Anonymous dared to question Stucky’s premise, and the sycophants here don’t like that sort of behavior.
Not at all. Murder as a tactic of political repression is a Marxist practice; murder as a tactic of domestic repression is a Statist tactic. Murder as a method of control of a resisting population is a Nazi tactic.
Anonymous is trying to take the moral high ground against people who have no morals; those who would destroy your history, deny your right to exist and CLAIM THEY WERE SERVING A ‘HIGHER GOOD” WHILE DOING SO.
These people will not hesitate to murder YOU if the opportunity presents itself; they are already trying to murder your history, your future and your society, along with various other items.
Trying to take the moral high ground against those who would destroy you almost never works. The British were not trying to murder Ghandhi, or they would have. MLK got murdered by a nut; Jesus was murdered by His opponents; nameless millions were murdered by the Bolsheviks in Russia, and the Antifa Bolsheviks would murder those who oppose their mindlessness.
Anonymous was downvoted for virtue signalling when battle readiness would be more appropriate. You will make your choice when the battle comes to you, since the Bolsheviks are bringing it (through MENA immigration, endless regulations and discriminatory law enforcement) to every corner of the US, including yours. Be prepared – or be overrun.
Don’t get too overwrought; the original premise was the killing of somebody wrecking a statue.
Very different scenario than acting in self-defense or defense of others in response to violence.
Amen!
“Don’t get too overwrought; the original premise was the killing of somebody wrecking a statue.”
They are destroying monuments because they feel the Confederates were morally deficient. In actuality, they are placing themselves ABOVE those who actually fought the war.
When Lee surrendered at Appomattox, he allowed Lee and his lieutenants to keep their swords and side arms. WHAT? WHY? Wasn’t Grant worried that Lee might turn around and shoot him dead the second his back was turned?
No. Grant was not worried. He knew Lee was an honorable man, who could be depended upon to keep his word and surrender peacefully.
WHY ON EARTH did Lee GO to Appomattox? Wasn’t he worried that Grant would betray and shoot him dead as soon as he rode up on his horse? After all, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Union and Confederate troops had just spent six years shooting each other dead across a dozen states or more.
No. Lee was not worried. He knew Grant, for all of being a drunkard, was an honorable man, who could be depended on to keep his word and allow peaceful surrender. And BOTH commanders had to restrain their soldiers from firing upon each other, even at the courthouse.
THIS is what Antifa, BLM and all these Leftist goons lack; honor. They cannot imagine allowing an opponent dignity, honor and nobility because they have none themselves. Throughout the war, Generals and commanders from opposite sides SENT NOTES TO EACH OTHER: some were demands for surrender (to save shedding innocent or pointless, outnumbered troops’ blood), some were to return prisoners rather than starve them, some were simple arrangements to recover the dead and wounded after battle; some were even “sorry to advise you we captured Commander X, but our surgeons were unable to save him; we would like you to send a wagon to Crossroads Y to take him home” and so forth. The commanders didn’t always know whom they were writing to, but the notes were written, a white flag rider dispatched to the front with it and almost always the rider got through unharmed (both ways), returning with a similar note agreeing or proposing an alternative for the desired purpose.
Can you imagine trusting an Antifa leader enough to send such a note from the Alt-right leader? Can you imagine the lines letting such a note through without assaulting the carrier?
These leftists are imposing THEIR VIEW of history on all of us. Even if the Generals that actually FOUGHT THE WAR respected each other as honorable men, these modern Brownshirts know better, and know they are right, and know what should be allowed to stand and what should be removed.
We will reap this whirlwind, and regret the lack of civility that fed it in the first place.
Ah, we are Stucky’s Minions, standing by to guard his honor.
First, I’d attempt to vacate the scene for my own well being but if that’s not possible, I keep my gun (with a full magazine and one in the pipe) concealed and holstered until my life is threatened. Then, I do what I have to do.
911 operator-what is your emergency?
caller–a guy named stucky over on tbp is threatening to shoot people–
911-oh gosh,not stucky again–
ok sir,just remain calm and let us handle it–
one adam 12,one adam 12,stucky is talking about shooting people again,it sounds like he’s off the wagon–can you run by and pick him up and drop him off at detox?
I’m not answering as an NSA goon…
But no matter the state of depleted ammo why would you come to that type of planned serious discussion without at least bayonet on your M1A?
Just saying….
Medicated and indoctrinated, their history teachers are Hollywood and TV.
“Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.”
John Adams
As usual Admin hit it out of the park. And he is 100 percent right about the cold civil war turning hot. An event will occur in the fairly near future that will lead to widespread violence. When that happens the Quislings in the South – such as the governor of North Carolina and the mayor of Charlottesville – will curse the day that they tried to gain some cheap political advantage over the bodies of dead Confederate soldiers. Most conservative people are, well, conservative. They work, they have families, they do not join mobs, they are quiet and thoughtful. Just wait until the crisis hits and they either have nothing to lose or will lose it all if they don’t act. They will hunt down these SJW’s with cold, pitiless rage. The cops won’t be there to protect the likes of Terry McCauliffe. History has shown again and again that when you destroy the center as these Leftists have been doing for decades, the demons come out. I am sitting at my computer right now, like most of us. I have a day off. I am disgusted by the assault on the history of my people but I know that right now it would be a useless and foolish gesture to take action against these traitors. One man rampages rarely lead to any good place. I am confident, however, that we don’t have long to wait for the lid to blow off this country. When it does we will all know it and many of us will be prepared to “do the right thing”.
It is neither good nor bad.
Baltimore – Poof and they’re gone!!!
http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/08/16/and-poof-theyre-gone-baltimore-removes-confederate-monuments-during-the-night/
Admin and others …
I read two great books about the Civil War last month. Many of these types of books are loooog. These were short and to the point.
1. The Killer Angels by Michael Shaara. A Pulitzer prize winning novel, 2.5 million copies, Gen Schwarzkopf said it’s “the best and most realistic novel about war I have ever read.”
2. Abraham Lincoln And The Second American Revolution by James McPherson. Considered by at least one reviewer as “The finest single volume on the war and it’s background”. Not bad for only 152 pages!
Stuck
Killer Angels is a great book. Ted Turner made it into a pretty good movie too – Gettysburg.
I was so turned off by all the shit on Cable News leading up to the election that I read a lot of books. I read all of the Ralph Peters Civil War books. They are damned good.
You too huh? I cut the cable criminals loose in 2013 Haven’t been missed whatesoever and I’ve saved 5000 dollars
Thank you sir!
Titles and authors written down.
I never really cared about the Civil War.
Sure I did read about it, and memorize
names in school. I did read many novels
and saw drawings…it was so god-awful
brutal.
Perhaps now is the time to get serious as
it is making such an impact.
Cynical, it may be, but I am thinking the Blacks
are being “used” to contribute to the disruption
campaign against Trump and the morale of
Whites. Reparations are their carrot.
Last, people are rapidly tiring of Black violence.
Outstanding! Honest, loaded with truth, and blunt. Just the way I like it.
I wonder if they used vacation days from their jobs to pull down statues for a photo op.
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No vacation days. These are some of soros best and brightest on the clock. The dude in the middle be like ‘pimpin she boons be hard.’
Admin this is a prodigious essay historically on point. One that will serve as a brilliant manifesto to counter the ever increasing virus spreading unchecked everywhere there is a high density human existence. Your passion is a gift that keeps giving to all of us who have gathered here to watch the dying light of the flame of liberty.
No, they were on the clock workin’ for Geo. Soros.
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Lee owned slaves, but set them free. Free to what? To live penniless in the woods living from foraging and drinking swamp water. Jackson was a deeply religious man, so religious that he executed by firing squad two of his finest Captains for the simple sin of playing poker on Sunday. No thanks, take the monuments down, then kill all the protesters that find anything else to be frightened of. Trump asks, where does it all end? It ends with the ending of one of our races. A house divided cannot stand, and colors can never unite. That is the quagmire we are caught in. It’s that simple. God help us for we are entering the most dangerous times this country has ever known. thanks
Hondo, yea right, they even killed Jesus Christ on flimsy evidence also. Lees’s slaves were not turned out in the woods, they became job slaves like you and me.
“True patriotism sometimes requires of men to act exactly contrary, at one period, to that which it does at another, and the motive which impels them the desire to do right is precisely the same.” ― Robert E. Lee
Lee, was traitor and a very poor leader. Study the battle of Malvern Hill. This is a fact, Lee never lost and offensive battle as long as Stonewall Jackson was on the battlefield, and he never won an offensive battle after Jackson’s death right after Chancellorsville. Lee won defensive battles afterwards, but not due to his own brilliance, but because he was fighting an even bigger idiot than himself: Grant. thanks
Hondo….as before…my ancestors said to go fuck yourself .
Traitor…prove it legally Dickhead .
In my humble opinion, that essay was sublime in the extreme; elegantly poignant and pinpointedly pertinent to our times.
Glad to see you have your mojo back.
Great essay, but I think it’s safe to say that the calls to tear down these monuments is no longer about their ties / reminders of the Civil War. After last weekend, it’s now about a complete rejection of bigotry and hatred and the totalitarian desire to force certain social constructs down the throats of Americans. Cities that are removing these statues in the night are right to do so; they should be put away and kept safe so that, someday, they can be returned to public with the CORRECT meaning — historical significance and remembrance of a difficult time in our nation. Personally, I’d love to see our educational system teach ALL facets of the Civil War period, instead of simplifying it to “the war was about slavery.”
American society is progressing through this 4T quickly now. Trump’s election will be seen, I believe, as a Regeneracy moment. Both sides were energized by his election and what remains is to sort out which one will win. History has shown us that almost always, the winners are those who offer the greatest freedom to the people. It is entirely likely that freedom to be white/black/Hispanic/gay/straight/tattooed/transgender/muslim/jewish/christian/whatever you want to be is going to win this time, too.
You do not have a God given right to worship [ obey ] a false god [ rule-maker ].
We are being allowed to experience the consequences of idolatry [ ideas that are not true ].
In preparation for the repeating of history, you must first erase the history about to be repeated to pave the way for for the events to be repeated!
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One question:
How can you defend the Lee – and other confederate heroes(?) statues that were erected in the 1950s and 60s as a direct response to the civil rights movement?
You may have read all the books and visited all the battle sites, but you appear to be lacking in some basic insight. The lower classes in the South, many of whom came to this continent indentured, had been willingly stripped of their small patrimony because they were taught that they possessed a treasure greater than gold: WHITE SKIN. The definition of whiteness changed over time, but it was always revered as the one thing that mattered.
Slave state secession was masked in romantic phrases of states’ rights, but young men whose families owned no slaves fought and died by the hundreds of thousands to defend white privilege.
Feel free to criticise the argument as Marxist (name-calling always works, right?). I will simply say that Karl Marx, like every other broken clock, is right twice a day.
Who cares when they were erected. What percentage were erected in the 50’s and 60’s? Do you know? Or are you just mouthing the left wing narrative. The Gettysburg battlefield, in the north, has dozens of monuments of both Union and Confederate heroes. Are you inferring the losing side couldn’t possibly have heroes? If the veterans of that war from both sides could come together for reunions in the decades following the war, why do today’s snowflakes feel the need to eliminate history? No name calling big shot. Answer my questions with facts, not your chosen narrative.
The city of Charlottesville itself understood there was something wrong when they renamed Lee Park Emancipation Park and Jackson Park Justice Park. As to battlefield sites, failure to recognize that two sides were engaged there would represent blindness indeed.
I can’t spend valuable time looking up the date of every Lee, Jackson, Longstreet, whomever statue. Leave that to the trivia buffs who think they’re historians. I know that the Lee in question dates to the Great War era. As to others, a single confederate monument erected during the civil rights struggle is a thumb in the eye, as were (are?) the segregation academies set up to circumvent Brown v Board. Civil War – or shall we call it War of Southern Treason – nostalgia without historical context is as valueless as “faith without works.”
I’d like to think that I’m more of a hailstone than a snowflake. In any event, I’m not for eliminating history. I’m all for contextualising it. Intending no offense to your hobby, celebrating military valor without acknowledging in the most accurate possible terms what the sides were really fighting for isn’t to eliminate history. It’s to infantilise it.
So you can’t prove your narrative. I understand. Par for the course among your kind. The city of Charlottesville is run by a bunch of left wingers who think they will gain votes in the next election by renaming parks and pulling down statues. Maybe you and your left winger buddies should ask why black poverty is worse today than it was before the civil rights struggle. Is it because of these symbols of hate, or is it because of 50 years of failed welfare policies that have enslaved black people again?
You wouldn’t know context if it slapped you in the face. Infantile describes your poorly constructed defense of this destruction of history.
The Soviets were big on renaming places. Tsaritsyn became Stalingrad, St. Petersburg was un-christened Leningrad, etc. That lasted about 70 years.
Robert E. Lee — and his monuments — will outlast the ignorant scum who would erase the memories of the men who fought for their region’s independence. Not all of the Confederates were great. Some were not even good. The same went for those who were on the winning side.
But they all deserve their place in history, and to be safe from antifa barbarism.
The 300 Spartans lost their battle at Thermopylae. Does that mean they were the bad guys? All those who opposed Genghis Kahn and died, were they also the bad guys? Losing doesn’t make you the bad guy.
all i will say is you really are a dumb ass
The civil war seemed to be the inevitable climax resulting from an attempt to reconcile two opposing theories of government.
The north became the poster child for Hamiltonian mercantilism (AKA: early crony capitalism) and moralism (home of abolitionism). Like the federalists, they believed the end of government was justice and they intended to provide the central government with the means to carry that end out. A nice little ancillary benefit of being morally superior is feeling no pangs of conscience while enacting tariffs (which would cripple the south and benefit the manufacturing north) The civil war (or more accurately the second American revolutionary war) most likely would have started under Andrew Jackson if he did not relent on the tariff issue during his administration. In any event: representing the monied/manufacturing interests backed by the authority of conscience, the north had a crucial edge in any ensuing conflict.
The south became the poster child for decentralization and freedom (though that freedom most unfortunately did not apply to slaves). Like the anit-federalists, they believed the end of government was liberty and therefore felt quite uncomfortable appointing the federal government the arbiter of justice. When they determined that the actions of their northern neighbors became so oppressive and inequitable, they decided to sever ties. The monied interests and the moralists would have none of this and began the bloodiest war in US history. (I know the south fired first, but they were simply attempting to evict trespassers.) Now it should be said that there is something noble about fighting to eradicate the practice of slavery, but the institution died a natural death in almost every other country in the world. It likely would have met the same fate here.
The conflict in today’s age seems to present a similar problem, except there don’t appear to be too many people on the side of liberty. We have roughly two groups (the left and the right) that have almost diametrically opposed ideas of justice and culture and believe it is the government’s role to be an arbiter of those differing ideas. Violent conflict will inevitably result from such a set of circumstances.
Then you have the friends of liberty, who do not believe it is the government’s role at all to decide issues of justice. Perhaps it is wise for them to sit back and let the government lovers burn the false paradigm to the ground battling each other and then we can rebuild from the ashes. And having viewed the terribly oppressive results of beseeching government support for fluid definitions of justice, perhaps the people will more jealously guard decentralization and freedom.
Great article Mr. Quinn.
Great comment Warren. I was reminded of a poster I made several years ago of Uncle Sam the “I want you for the USArmy” one. I put the words I Own You” under it in place of the others.
This is the issue, who owns you? Rejecting the ownership of a central government [ secession ] demands we reject our ownership of others. Until we acknowledge the purpose of our chastisement, it will not end.
I acknowledge the ownership of the Creator. We own and are responsible for what we create. No man has ever created another.
“No man has ever created another.”
Too true. It always requires a woman as well.
“Rejecting the ownership of a central government [ secession ] demands we reject our ownership of others.”
Yes it does. One of my favorite American thinkers —Lysander Spooner — made similar points — among other things:
http://www.lysanderspooner.org/
His discourse on the Constitution is eye opening too.
My favorite quote: “But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain – that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist.”
I love this place,
and all the comments.
I totally reject the narrative produced by the MSM.
I see it as nothing but propaganda produced by the enemy.
the enemy of my mind.
It is disingenuous and naive to characterize the growing conflict as race-based (one of the tools of the enemy). We are in a mighty battle of cunning duplicity against the truth.
In the Bible Satan is defined as the Father of Lies. This evil force is presently energizing a huge swath of our fellow citizens who have been made deliberately vulnerable by a lack of knowledge (educational system), loss of moral sensibility (popular culture), and 24/7 propaganda to reinforce the other two. A rebellious spirit has taken hold and is throwing down the gauntlet for a fight.
The fight is unavoidable and will be long and difficult. History shows that evil can be defeated but significant sacrifice is required to do it. Whether traditional Americans are up to it is debatable.
Admin this article is one of your greatest hits.
Gayle, I like it that you bring things back to the ultimate struggle against Satan (good vs. evil). There is a cosmic battle at this very moment.
As above, so below.
“let’s you and him fight”. I’ll sell you a gun and him a sword…
Can’t we all get along? Of course we can if we WANT to. Conceptually we either are or are not a diverse country. Those who define American as white are wrong. What else could E pluribus Unum mean? except binding together out of differences an American spirit of independence and freedom. Now how we are going to get along is a very knotty question. I fail to see why supporting a city council resolution to take down the Confederate flag or remove particular statues couldn’t be energetically supported and voted on. If you don’t like the result–vote in someone else. I thought that was the way democracy was supposed to work. If I insult your Mama I can hardly complain about you dissing my Dad…
Who voted for the removal of the statues in Baltimore last night? The mayor did so unilaterally.
“I say it’s probably time to remove the statues.
Leave the bases, though.
We are gearing up to produce a new batch of Civil War Heroes.
We will need places to memorialize them.
This next go round will make slavery look like a good option.
Mark my fucking words.” NoPension, over at ZH, in response to the same article
We need to remember the REAL enemy and why this division is being created among Americans. Those who allow it to continue are just as much to blame as those who are instigating it.
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Gee, that’s brilliant stuff. Never heard that before.
Next time you can save typing and posting pics by simply quoting from the book of Rodney —“Can’t we all just get along?”
Interesting how all of these different mayors decided to make these decisions at the same time.
These mayors must all belong to the same secret club. Maybe the same club controlled by those at the top of the pyramid. We are the fodder.
Yea, its the bankrupt blue bubble broke…feed on the useful idiot’s yoke’s club.
Canceled my membership in 84…and evolved into a copperhead.
Creation didn’t work for me north of the brainwashed/DIXON line.
Poor Seth never made it through the above ground FREEDOM route…and succumbed to the infectious blue bubble blight.
They are not different. They are all wormy little SJW Democrat fuques.
Not being an American living in another country I believe the gangsters who control the governments and media in The Republic of The United States of America seek that the white and non white Americans do fight it out for their own end game to be achieved:
1. Reduced Population
2. Those peoples remaining after CW2 will have to accept the gangsters wishes for the American people left living would now be finally disarmed.
Take your fight to the Gangsters and not to We the People!
Prayer does help.
Gods will be done!
Classism disguised as racism.
Gods will be done? When? When will Gods be done?
As my Italian Nana said to me when I asked the same question…”Ya gotta reada the book…ifa ya wanna the answers…”
Angel,
Besides your last two lines being the truth…there is a positive side to your premise to your excellent “Call to Action”…if you fall righteously…you could avoid the nursing home super slow motion drag.
I have always believed…even as a young man…there is something to appreciate about a quick exit. Even more so to an honorable one. Just saying….
Who said “Better to die as a lion than live as a lamb”?
Oh wait… that was Mussolini so it must be badthink.
There is a heaven glorious filled with angels and loving but I also know there is a hatred hell full of demons consumed with destruction.
The major majority of world leadership in government, bankster and they say that God doesn’t exist is what these fools preach, they pray on Gods children to convince them that God has never existed…
God lives for I asked and I did receive an answer I was never expecting…
God only answers to open hearts and trusting souls…
If you don’t believe you shall never get an answer…
Mark, Righteousness is a feeling or way of life that is all about doing the right thing: righteousness shows great concern for morals and ethics.
Amen…
I do not promote the religious sect of this video below for I have no clue where they actually stand but to the expression of their glorious singing in praise of our almighty God as an example to you non believers of what you are actually missing y not sharing God into your hearts….
Deus Vult!
i was going to write then i said i’m just going to buy more ammo
Larry,
I’m doing both…but armed verbal and gun/ammo redundancy…are their own rewards in both battles.
yes but i’m not that good with words
I would add few more questions about the civil war to your list: How many slave states were part of the union, which ones, and when did they give up their slaves?
The border slave states of Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, and Missouri remained with the Union, although they all contributed volunteers to the Confederacy. Fifty counties of western Virginia were loyal to the Union government, and in 1863 this area was constituted the separate state of West Virginia.
1863
Some may have manumitted their slaves in 1863 as you suggest but the Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to the union states (only the states in rebellion). So the final manumission would not happen until the 13th Amendment came into force.
An excellent essay, Admin. Thanks for all of your efforts. They are widely appreciated.
“Functional illiterates” indeed. These snowflakes are of the same mindset of those that seek to silence opposing views within our universities.
Wonderful article. I’ve been a genealogist for 25 years. From my research, every family in the north lost at least 1 man in the Civil War, often more. For southern families it was even worse. It was a horrible time. These statues were put up in memory of all those dead brothers, fathers, grandfathers, and sons. It was to honor the cherished dead. Tearing them down is like desecrating a cemetery. Of course, these animals tearing them down know nothing about honor, history, or responsibility.
Please watch:
Lies of omission
At
liesofomission.com
Am considering ordering the DVD, Angel… is it worth it?
I wish there were a way to disseminate Admin’s article to every person in this country who can read and have them read it.
I tend to think that both groups on the front lines of the skirmishes so far are just useful pawns doing exactly what it is desired for them to do. As long as the alt-right sees antifa and BLM as the enemy and vice versa then we all will keep on losing. Anonymous has it right up above. TPTB biggest fear is that we all get along and realize who our common enemy really is.
They should pull down all the civil war statues, in the north and the south. They should also pull down all statues to Jefferson and Washington. The only ones left should be the Lincoln Memorial and the statue of Allen Dulles in the headquarters at Langley. Our ruling clique has been perfected: it has no ideology or race except a devotion to power and greed. The old republic is gone, folks. Has been for some time. Best recognize that fact, and start planning for the future, for survival, for resistance. You cannot restore what has already been lost.
I upvoted you because I understood your sarcasm.
A headline on Drudge today : POLL: One In Four Would Follow President To The End
As Stucky so aptly set down in a post a few days ago, when you add up those that support this and would fight and those who would not fight, how do you stand to pull off a CW with 75% non-participation?
Better hire a lot of mercs. I believe Stucky advised he would not fight for this.
At the height of the War of Independence 80,000 men served in the militias and Continental Army combined. The population of the Colonies at that time, excluding slaves, was approximately 2.5 million.
Do the math, Fibonacci.
Did that include the 55,000 American privateers in that 80,000 figure at the height of that war?
‘sup zion.
4Q
HF must have had a cow get out again, never answered about the 55,000 paid extras in that shit show.
Let’s add your 55,000 in.
That takes the participation rate from 3.2% up to 5.4%.
That is an irrelevant difference compared to 1/4. Even 1/10 would still be twice the participation rate if we add in your additional units at full value.
Read to comprehend maroon, HF says 80,000 in the revolutionary war, I point out that 55,000 of the 80,000 were paid.
If you read my post above, I stated they better hire a lot of mercs if they want to get a CWII off the ground. Perhaps you are not able to grasp the subject Mr. Maff Teacher.
Don’t kid yourself that the 25% would lay their life on the line on the battlefield with the weapons of today for Trump. Won’t happen.
Paid mercs put their life on the line for Clinton, Bush, and Obama for *far* less important reasons.
You are smoking crack if you think that you wouldn’t be able to find 3% of the population willing to get involved both paid and unpaid if it came to an open fight.
BL continues to prove their purpose here. Roll over.
Somehow (?) my reply to you ended up at the bottom of the page Mr. Reminder.
You guys can read it there or not.
Ever heard of the Three-Percenters? It’s suggested that as little as 3% of the Colonists were in favor and actively supported the American Revolution in 1776. If Trump actually has a hard-core support group of 25% who would follow him “to the end”, I suspect the Republic can be restored.
Not without battles, deaths, the Crunch (to remove power from the bankers), widespread destruction, demolition and rebuilding – but then, look up how the signers of the Declaration of Independence fared after the Revolutionary War was over ….
James- Do you really believe Trump or ANYONE in Washington is truly interested in removing power from the bankers? That would be contrary to their actions so far. (all of them, no matter what faction/party)
I understand Gary Cohn called for the restoration of Glass – Steagall rules recently. The article that wrote it said he was trying to create a new advantage for Goldman-Sachs; not sure if that counts.
No one without honor gives up power voluntarily – not since Washington I guess have we had a ruler with honor. It remains to be seen whether or not D.C. gives up power, loses it involuntarily, or the whole thing just collapses because it’s unsustainable.
I think Mike Lee from Utah is a decent man. Perhaps there are others – it’s hard to tell. Certainly Schumer, Waters, McCain, McConnell, Ryan and so on are clinging to power fearfully – but fear is not power, and will not sustain them. We will have to choose, each of us, whether we want freedom – or to control others. Then we will have to act, and live with those choices.
Edit: add link
https://www.americanbanker.com/news/is-the-trump-administration-serious-about-restoring-glass-steagall
Are Revolutionary Soldiers and Civil War Soldiers really Apples and Oranges?
I am waist deep in a mountain of research “Ode to Stuckey’s Ma’n’Pa” has deposited on me. There are some of us who believe what is upon this country during this Fourth Turning is something the world has not seen since the Phoenicians. We are in the midst of a profound change in the way mankind uses knowledge.
If you see the germ of truth I see in that last sentence, listen to Bobby Gentry tell her story and make of it what you will.
I am Martha, but liked being called Maggie by a few chosen few.
Millions will follow Trump as far as he’s willing to go, myself included. I’d be willing to change our Government.
Sensetti- Does that include laying your life on the line? This time automatic weapons and WMDs will be in play. Would you send your children to go as far as Trump is willing to go?
me too he has his faults but we all do most of us voted for him because we could not see that low life cunt in there. I’m not for this crap but if sides have to be picked then it is not the side of commies and that what the left is.
Fux News — (DAMN Ms Freud for turning that shit on) — had a number of guests and regulars this morning who are all for tearing down the statues. One kneegrow (perhaps, nigger) even got all Uppity ‘n Shit by demanding that ALL Confederate statues in America (I think there are 800, or so) be torn down not tomorrow, or the next day, but TODAY!!! Which, I dunno, seems to me he’s inciting violence.
I post this because there are folks here who like Fux Newz. (I like Tucker Carlson and Judge Napolitano). You might thing they are your friends, on your side, even. They are not!