Trump, or extinction by irrelevance?
Guest post by Robert Gore at Straight Line Logic
The state of Texas has filed suit against four states where the presidential election results are in dispute: Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Pennsylvania. The Constitution gives the Supreme Court original jurisdiction for suits between states (Article III, Section 2). The court ordered the four states to submit their responses yesterday. A number of states have filed amicus, or friend of the court, briefs both in support of and in opposition to Texas.
Suppose the court either refuses to take the case or it rules against Texas. Suppose also that the Democrats win the two contested Georgia Senate races January 5. With the apparent cheating demonstrated in the presidential election and Georgia’s RINO governor and secretary of state, nobody should assume the runoffs will be fair or that challenges to an unfair election will have any chance of success.
Biden would be president and Democrats would control the House of Representatives and the Senate (it would be 50-50, but vice president Harris would break ties). They could and probably would carry out their plans to expand the Supreme Court and “pack” it with a unstoppable liberal majority. In either refusing to hear the Texas suit or accepting the suit but ruling against Texas, the Supreme Court’s five conservative justices will have contributed to their own demises as consequential jurists—collective judicial suicide.
On the other hand, the court could take the case and rule in favor of Texas. It helps that Texas has a strong legal case. Article I, Section 4 states: The Times, Places, and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be proscribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress at any time may at any time by Law make or alter such regulations, except to the Places of chusing Senators. This clause apparently has been extended to presidential elections, which are held concurrently with Congressional elections.
What this means is the state legislatures have exclusive control of how elections for senators, representatives, and the president are held within their state. Robert Madsen at AmericanThinker.com has done a good job of summarizing how the four states violated the procedures their legislatures enacted in those states’ own election laws (“A Summary of the Texas Election Lawsuit,” December 10, 2020), and how those violations could have changed the outcome. Many of the violations are changes in procedures implemented before the election by state secretary of states or other officials. Covid-19 has been the usual rationale. Some of the violations stem from the alleged vote counting shenanigans on the night of November 3 and the morning of November 4.
The two-fold Constitutional argument is straightforward. Changes by any person or entity other than the states’ legislatures are unconstitutional violations of Article I, Section 4. Furthermore, as Texas argues, they treat the citizens of Texas and other states who played by their own rules differently, and unequally, from the four swing states that violated their own rules. This is a violation of the Equal Protection clause in Section 1 of the 14th Amendment.
These arguments give the court’s judicial conservatives ample reason to rule for Texas. The ruling would comport with the plain language of the Constitution—always important to judicial conservatives and Constitutional literalists—and established precedent concerning legislative control of the time, manner, and place of presidential elections. The Covid-19 rationale is weak and Justice Gorsuch recently poured water on it in a concurring opinion invalidating New York Governor Andrew Cuomo’s Covid-19 restrictions shutting down religious institutions.
Government is not free to disregard the First Amendment in times of crisis.
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It is time—past time—to make plain that, while the pandemic poses many grave challenges, there is no world in which the Constitution tolerates color-coded executive edicts that reopen liquor stores and bike shops but shutter churches, synagogues and mosques.
Justice Neil Gorsuch, Concurring opinion, Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn v. Cuomo
It looks like Gorsuch will vote to hear the Texas case and then, if the case is heard, rule for Texas. The question is will the other four conservative justices join him? (Chief Justice Roberts is an emasculated weenie who may or may not join.) They can decline to hear the case or hear it but then rule against Texas. However, they’d run the risks that a potentially rigged Georgia run-off election puts two more Democrats in the Senate and makes that body effectively Democrat-controlled, Democrats then pack the Supreme Court with an unstoppable liberal majority, and the conservatives spend their careers writing irrelevant dissents. That would be an especially ugly prospect for the court’s younger conservatives, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Barrett.
Or they can rule for Texas, keep themselves relevant, and have an opportunity to shape Constitutional law and the course of the United States for many decades.
A win for Texas throws selection of electors for the electoral college into the the four states’ legislatures, which are all controlled by Republicans, presumably handing the election to Trump. Even if the Republicans lost both Georgia Senate seats, Trump would stop any court-packing scheme. On a non-judicial note, the conservative justices can’t be too happy with Democrat and leftist “initiatives” the last four years: Russiagate, the impeachment, Covid-19 totalitarianism, this summer’s riots, and the election shenanigans. So they have a choice: Trump, or risk their own extinction. The first choice looks like the better bet, although one never knows how deeply corruption and cowardice runs in the nation’s capital.
Why should we accept the premise that any justices on the SC are “conservative”? They are all from Ivy Leagues and I don’t even think there is a Protestant among them. In a country founded and built by WASPs.
Gorsuch is a Protestant.
Isn’t he the one who opined “The 2nd Amendment should not be infringed lightly”. At best he is a moron.
ACB is not an Ivy Leaguer. She is Catholic, however, so the positive and negative cancel each other out.
Dear conservatives,
Remember when you all wet yourselves over Justice Barrett and all us White well being advocates told you she was a traitor but you didn’t listen?
We do.
Why should we accept the premise that any justices on the SC are “conservative”? They all started out as scum sucking lawyers. (Fixed it.)
The Supreme Court has made itself irrelevant. Why bother even discussing anything that relates to a Deep State group that panders to the establishment? Let Biden pack the court, they’re all leftists anyways. Any and all federal government agencies and groups are leftist/deep state globalists and their only goal is to destroy the US.
I venture to state that the newly appointed justices are, in fact, chicken shits that feign to know the Constitution. They will fold and punt it. No matter which way this goes it ends in blood being spilled. Sharpen your tomahawks and clean and lube your firearms.
Looks like they folded and punted about an hour ago . 7-2 against Thomas and Alito. A day which will live in infamy. The old “no standing” bullshit.
Maybe not. The 9-0 decision regarding lack of standing would make sense if the foreign interference did take place and the Supreme Court was aware of this foreign interference. EO 13848 (link below) had 2020 US election under a national emergency and any foreign interference would therefore be under military jurisdiction, not Supreme Court. We’ll see.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/
Interesting. I still think it’s far from over. How it is resolved is the big question. I think the Progs may find out what happens when Deplorables decide to riot.
Do you suppose they have room for 7 more down at Guantanamo?
Gitmo? How about buzzard feed where they drop? Buzzards gotta eat same as worms and I would rather conserve resources than waste them on imprisoning traitors. Traitors only get one type of treatment and it aint three hots and a cot for the remainder of their worthless lives.
Scalps or lungs are the only options.
Live free or die trying.
One chopper could easily carry 9 people in handcuffs…
Naah, just a simple case of three justices having no backbone and at least four justices who approved of the original outcome.
I consider this a formal declaration of war. There is no USA, no constitution, no rule of law. There is only the exercise of power. OK those are acceptable terms.
I propose that we now embargo liberal Blue cities…..make it impossible to live there by providing them nothing from the Real America…..no water, no power, no food, sell them nothing.
We no longer have a government with the consent of the governed……So SHUT IT DOWN. It will take a while but start having the conversation.
No trucker should deliver a load to a blue city. So we have to find other employment for them.
We could pay them to transport all kinds of stuff for the purpose of cutting the cities off. Millions of pounds of cement, steel scrap or rebar. Tons of old railroad ties and so forth just dumped on bridges and exits.
Demo charges are a lot more effective and easily mixed from commonly available chemicals. Fougasse, EFP, TATP and a shit load of other IEDs are made with relative ease as we learned in some courses and Field Manuals as well as Iraq and A-Stan. Copper is pretty easy to come by.
I wonder how well those idiots thought this through? I mean it is not like they used us for the last 19 years to play fuck fuck games in deserts, jungles and mountains to enrich banks, the MIC and destabilize entire regions to take the cameras off what the spooks were doing at home along with the other traitors holding office.
The reckoning has arrived.
Starve the metros. Poison their water. Firebomb the shit holes to ash. Kill their goldfish. Piss on their corpses and let the maggots do the rest. And I mean fly maggots, not politicians’ maggots. Politicians get to watch their progeny dunked in vats of acid or get brained.
Consequences for treason must be terrible and must be terribly inflicted, on record, so as the remaining population understands the penalties for selling out. It is time to get medi-motherfucking-eval. I am talking dropping live people and rotting corpses out the back of C-130s onto the heads of the enemy in their cities of decadence and decay.
Heads on spikes. Strangle the enemy with their own innards. Then watch them eat each other alive to survive and see their ideology wither and die as miserably as they are.
ZFG, it kind of seems like you are holding out on us. I wish you would tell us how you really feel. J/k, I feel exactly the same way as you but also feel powerless as to how to implement such events…
I suspect that things will start unravel, slow at first, then quickly, there is no going back.
As for.truckers they won’t want to end up like Reginald Denney, the cities are going to be toast
They can just make great huge piles at the entrances and exits. Don’t even have to get off the interstate.
That’s been my ultimate goal for a while now, although it’s slow going. I just ordered some good S4S black locust posts from a lumber mill in the Upper Midwest. We got to chatting a bit and when I walked away from that conversation, I couldn’t help but smile. The salt of the Earth folks are sick and tired of the abuse.
Starve the cities, refuse to do business with them, boycott them, shun them. Never give in for any reason. It will work.
Since the USA’s “money” is manufactured in the cities, can the money-men offer you enough to break your resolve? They have an unlimited supply….
Take the money they offer and use that money to put them down by any means available and necessary. Afghans and Iraqid taught me that lesson. “Sure I will take your paper and I will make sure I use it to do my best to kill you.”
Not for long.
I share your anger and agree with your premise that there is no effective government or Constitutional order at all in this country. That isn’t new. It has just reached a tipping point. Problem is, those “blue” people are moving HERE! We don’t want them! How do you make that stop?
I used to live in Taos, NM. That was back in the early 80’s. The local Mexicans didn’t like the Texans and other white folk moving in so they would burn them out. Set fire to their homes, barns and what not. They would also stalk white folk, you didn’t go into the forest alone or unarmed. We fought fire with fire, once, a pickup full of the little shites pulled up in the driveway of our business and proceeded to piss over the side. They quit that right quick when our shotguns and other armaments came out. Lots of pee soaked pants as that truck pulled out right quick.
Without going into specifics here, the reality is that we know what to do…movies like Fight Club and books like the Monkey Wrench gang are out there, along with Bracken tales and so on. Grab and read/watch while they’re still available because soon the Commies will be banning any and everything that doesn’t extoll the virtues of the Party.
If your locale was only recently up and coming, don’t even worry about it. It’s the states like Virginia that got overrun in the Third Turning that are FUBAR.
I propose that our AG, Ken Paxton, start drafting Articles of Secession for Texas to leave what was the United States.
I was an American once.
Not my president, not my country. The War of Secession has begun.
You are still an American.
America will survive the United States.
You are correct. This is a formal declaration of war….
It was Fort Sumter. We did not want this, we waited patiently for decades hoping things would get better through “voting harder”…..the Uniparty would not respond to the will of the people and took our forbearance for weakness. OK it is time to resist.
Yes, the Supreme Court has destroyed the United States political system by punting, laughably claiming lack of standing for a case where it has original and exclusive jurisdiction, finishing off the work it started in Roe v Wade, where there wasn’t even a case or controversy (plaintiff had already given birth), and amplified in its insane decision on gay marriage…..Now either Trump goes nuclear, or the United States is DOA and breaks up…
I will make a prediction that may be wishful thinking but I think the SCOTUS will rule unanimously in favor of Texas. In addition to the reasons you suggest, it is a slam dunk case if you follow the constitution and the members of the court are smart enough to know that the vote was a fraud and will continue to remain so and get worse under the Democrats. Unanimity gives the court the cover it needs to help protect the nation from self destruction. Yes it is lancing an ever growing ugly boil that is today’s politics but if not today, then when. It is not going to get any better, just worse. Let Trump take his rightful place as president and let him deal with the mobs. At this point, no matter how a president handles it, it is going to look like tyranny. Trump will no doubt not make the same mistakes he has made in the past but he knows the outcome is what matters.
RG, Thanks for the straightforward and concise explanation. You’re saving me a bunch of time.
Whoops. That post didn’t age well. Any more predictions there Swami?
Meh.
The fact is: even hearing a lawsuit by one state to unseat electors for another state is opening a huge can of worms.
The actual wording of the Constitution is clear: every state decides how its elections are run. If they want to flip coins or throw darts, that’s fine so long as said state’s legislature approves it.
Federal election laws are more specific but still largely govern issues like campaign finance, specific types of voter suppression etc. There are no federal election laws governing precisely how any given state runs its elections, with the exception of the anti-discrimination laws.
The can of worms was the election fraud. There is no easy way out from that decision.
The actual wording of the Constitution is clear: every state decides how its elections are run. If they want to flip coins or throw darts, that’s fine so long as said state’s legislature approves it.
You just cut to the heart of the Texas argument and apparently aren’t aware of that fact. The Plaintiff argues that the defendant states acted unconstitutionally by bypassing or ignoring their state legislatures when determining election procedures. The plaintiff states that as a result of ignoring the state legislature’s election rules the defendant states have unfairly cheated the plaintiff of electoral votes.
Bingo!
Bingo! SCOTUS boots the lawsuit.
Zero credibility.
Regardless of the legal premise, the Court let stand an election decided by massive and proven fraud of varying kinds, by which the American public was disenfranchised…permanently…That cannot stand, so the American Republic is no more, and SCOTUS is holding the bloody knife…
It’s no more come January 20, 2021 unless something is done soon. Trump should invoke the insurrection act and set aside the results, and ignore any court that says different If the republic is to die, I prefer that the guy who actually won be in charge, and not the commie traitor.
You really need to read the Constitution: The Constitution makes zero mention of how states actually run their elections.
The Supreme Court just booted the Texas lawsuit, rightly, and for precisely the reason I wrote above.
That’s the trouble with government – it attracts lying whores like you. Are you seriously arguing that blatant fraud is simply a valid choice for running elections? The founders wrote, “Lying is okey-dokey, here in this wondrous new free land!”? Just shut up, you conscience-free, sickening disinfo mercenary.
But they need to prove the blatant fraud. If they have the evidence, it’s getting awfully close to the time when they need to produce it
It is already proved beyond any doubt in the minds of anyone with 2 brain cells, the interest to look, and a smidgen of integrity.
there is plenty of evidence, and it’s hard to prove something if the court refuses to take the case because standing or ripeness or mootness or whatever way they can dodge it.
Yes, in fact, fraud is irrelevant since it is a function of viewpoint.
The United States used to count slaves as 3/5ths of a person – how do you think those electors were voted? They were chosen by governors and/or legislatures.
You people really ought to at least attempt to understand how the US government actually works: federal, state and local levels are defined more by where each level is not defined than what each level is responsible for.
There are no federal laws anywhere saying an election has to be run according to any specification. A state can split its electoral vote or go all-or-nothing. It could institute ranked choice voting, if they desired. They could use darts.
It doesn’t matter so long as the state legislatures don’t actively oppose it.
And that’s the key point here: are the Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania etc legislatures actively opposing the election results?
The answer seems quite clear: no.
End of story.
To c1ue – I guess nobody agreed with you. Do you have any predictions, since you turned out to 100% correct. The up votes/down votes were almost perfectly wrong.
Save up all your common cents and buy some fucken sense. THE LEGISLATURES DID NOT CREATE THE CHANGES! The Constitution clearly says that the state legislatures are the only entities that can change how voting is done. I would deride you more, but even the fucktards in the ScamCOTUS cannot understand the Constitution in clear, succint black type.
This whole thing reeks just as bad as Executive Orders being defacto decrees bypassing the other two branches entirely. Unless you are Trump and trying to shit can black jesus E.O.s.
The dumbasses here spend all their time listening to Newsmax or some similar nonsense.
What is going to happen?
Biden is going to be President next year.
There’s going to be a huge Not-My-President movement for the next 4 years, only in red states.
Pissed off (and I totally understand why) conservatives will take over the House in 2022 and I’d bet money on a non-Democrat in 2024. Whether that’s Trump or not – hard to say. He’ll be really old then.
Republicans/Trumpists (who aren’t the same thing) are going to really put the screws on electoral setups in the swing states from now until 2024 and beyond. A great time to be an elections lawyer.
Actual change in the direction of the United States? Minimal.
You very flagrantly ignore the proven election fraud and make the assumption that there will be any conservatives allowed to be elected. If the election fraud stands then the US will become California, forever controlled by democrats who have turned it into a shithole of massive proportions.
Election fraud goes on all the time, by both Republicans and Democrats.
The New York Times ran a story in 2012 about how Republicans were known for…absentee mail-in voting, and that mail-in voting was much more easy to enable fraud than in-person.
This is funny since it is 100% opposite to the bullshit Newsmax and what not are talking to.
Was there fraud? Certainly. Was the fraud exclusively Democrat? No.
Did the fraud change the results? Not at all clear.
Again – the fact that mail-in balloting changed the demographic of the election *is not* a sign of fraud. This was the highest turnout (in the votes submitted sense) seen in a long, long, long time.
Prove that the frauds mattered and we’ll see – but the reality is that none of the evidence is clear.
And I say this as someone who does investigations for a living.
The argument was that the legislatures in those states HADN’T approved.
The legislatures approve by not disapproving. i.e. they don’t actually vote to accept results – they have to actually go out of their way to reject them.
Failure to reject is approval.
The problem was that the legislatures did not approve any of it, the Local officials and Secretaries of state changed the rules on absentees and late ballots without the legislatures. That was the whole point of the lawsuit
Like you said the constitution is clear, and those four states clearly violated the constitution by changing election process without changing the law
One must also note that some of these state’s legislatures signed on to the suit even while their state executives refused to investigate the fraud and certified in spite of massive evidence. Our new troll fuque is most disingenuous.
A representative in the Texas house has said that he intends to introduce a resolution of secession. If the SC declines the case, Texas may well start down that path. How many other states will follow suit?
Texas has the right to partition into 5 states which was included in the charter when it agreed to become part of the US. That would add 8 more Senators, presumably 6 would be Republican.
That “remedy” would become a cruel joke, once all of these new states are overrun by non-white immigrants (a 100 pct certainty during Biden’s reign), and instead of red senators you would actually get blue ones. In case you missed it, Texas’ demographic overhaul pretty much tracks California’s, so the former will go blue soon enough. Secession is the only option at this point, anything else is too little/too late.
And that is what is necessary. Tennessee won’t be far behind.
I must encourage my berms to grow taller, faster.
It’s a great time to be a Texan, isn’t it?
Remember this also about Texas: we never formally rejoined the Union until 1873, and we’ll leave this bitch — we’ve obviously got good lawyers here with cojones — and not pay any alimony, either. The ONION will miss us long before we’ll miss IT.
It’s a great time to be a Texan, isn’t it?
Yes it is….too bad so many leftists are moving here and trashing the place. As to secession, Texas is completely self sufficient, we have our own grid, we produce huge amounts of cattle and crops and we lead the country in petroleum production. We don’t need ANYTHING that the rest of the country has to offer, especially those leftist states that can’t even provide energy without setting the state on fire.
Nothing that bullets and nooses would not solve.
LOL — can you see them trying to set Texas on fire?
We’d all be out on the roadside selling firewood.
We don’t have to make them feel welcome here.
You just need some rules to keep the lefties out of your new country..
Yep…Texas only needs to deal with the commies in Austin and Houston, which could be accomplished rather easily…
People exchange – conservatives from blue states can move to red states, but liberals MUST vacate for blue ones (their choice which one)
We have HUGE pockets of communists in Houston, the Rio Grande Valley, Austin, Dallas, etc… No way we become unified enough to succeed… Chip
Hispanics aren’t commies, in general, and neither is the Cartel…
Well, the problem with communists is that they only take and produce nothing. They are a zero sum game. I keep hearkening back to Atlas Shrugged, the looters vs. the producers. I actually make stuff, I raise cattle and I have survival skills. The zombies in the cities lack anything remotely like that, all they do is whine and the politicians open the coffers and support them.
Remove that support and they starve.
We are our own worst enemies because we STILL produce, work and support the losers. Go Galt, seriously Galt. Withdraw, do not comply, practice civil disobedience. Too many people still play on Facebook and Twitter, they play with their cell phones and cable tv, they watch sports and shop at the big box emporiums. Zuckerberg gave 400 Million to leftist vote stealing organizations, 400,000,000.00. Let that sink in. That’s a lot of moola and guess who supports Zuckerberg? All the idiots STILL USING FACEBOOK. Until that stops, the destroyers will have the means and money to continue killing off the folk. You can’t complain about the commies if you support them by using their products and services. Look to who gave money to BLM. Those are your enemies.
TX should start regular meet ups of 19 “Old Constitution” states. Then secede as a group. I am in one of these, so I’d be happy as a clam. If liberals made the Constitution all but irrelevant, then prohibition of secession in it is null and void too.
Yup. An abrogated contract has no standing. Even if it were merely breached, the attempt was made to seek damages and it wasn’t even heard by SCOTUS.
The Constitutionality of secession has been an immaterial thought experiment for at least 20 years and likely ever since WW2. When there’s no rule of law, anything goes.
Lately, there seem to be problems with going by the rule of law and the Constitution. But if the judges believe that more people voted for Biden and it was all done legally the country is screwed.
The justices may be many things but with the exception of two, most of them aren’t stupid. Any fool can see the election fraud. What is at stake here is the realization that the SOC has become much too political and rules based on public opinion rather than actual constitutional law which is what they’re supposed to do.
Roberts wants to protect the Court’s image. He did not like the image set in ’00 in bush v Gore. He will do anything to keep them on the sideline.
imho anything other than a unanimous 9-0 SCOTUS ruling *that favors* TX and the other states that have followed suit will– and should be– viewed as complete and utter bullshit….no 5/4, 6/3….hell i don’t even want an 8/1 decision…that shit needs to be U-FUCKING-NANIMOUS. a split SCOTUS decision on this will not only announce to the nation, but to the rest of the world and in no uncertain terms: the *UNITED* STATES OF AMERICA is no more.
Trump deserves a lot of the blame, too. If people don’t think he knew what was going on at the state levels, they’re delusional. I won’t even belabor the point anymore because the resultant state of the Union is Case Exhibit A. It takes a man with big clanking balls to make the GTMO types of decisions.
History is not going to be kind to him if he doesn’t suspend the Constitution and mete out justice. Bookmark it.
10 years ago I said on the MSN boards that Igor Panarin was wrong in his timeline and in how the Balkanization would manifest. But not in the actual Balkanization itself. I said that when this shit blows, there will be an L-shaped nation with the entire GoM and the bulk of the productive capacity of the nation. Yes, the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers will still be very important.
That prediction is looking pretty fucking accurate if I do say so myself. Dred Scott 2.0. 4 years max, perhaps as little as 2. Anyone else remember this?
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2009/01/05/russian-professor-predicts-self-destruction-of-us-by-2010-missouri-to-go-canadian
Anyone remember that daffy dipshit Dana Perino mocking him?
Missouri goes Canadian??? Maybe Minnesota if the Canucks would have them.
Gonna be interesting.
Prof. Panarin is clearly intelligent and he understood cultural differences, but he isn’t American. He smelled a Balkanization but didn’t quite grok that it wouldn’t be like the dissolution of the USSR. Borders don’t matter so much in civil wars. I said it in another thread that the Revolution was a civil war and the Civil War was a War Between the States.
The nation could break up but expect it to go more by counties than States. So damn many times an entire State is pulled by the nose via on large metropolitan area and a State capitol. The other issue is the Rule of Law. I see lawless mayors and Governors and congress critters running all over the place. But I must obey the letter of the Law.
I don’t think anyone can predict exactly how it’ll play out. My guess is that Russia will be a key player on the fate of a 50 state Union. I say that both from a religious and a logical point of view.
The Justices will defend the Establishment. Paramount in their consideration is the potential effect of that judgement on the durability of the Establishment they belong to. The Constitution is but one part of the Establishment, less important than others, that they will defend.
It is apparent to everyone, including the Justices of the Supreme Court, that the entire establishment, without any significant exception, is opposed to another Trump term. It is also apparent that the November election was full of fraud, and that fraud changed the outcome of POTUS (at least, perhaps some House and Senate races as well) to favor the name on the ballot favored by that establishment. Thus to find and judge that enough votes were illegally and fraudulently awarded to Mr. Biden would be to go against the entire establishment that these Justices (save Mr. Thomas, perhaps) are so very, very proud to be members of. It seems quite unlikely that the Justices will make that judgement.
If SCOTUS did judge that enough votes in enough states were to be voided to stymie a majority in the Electoral College, (seems like the preferred outcome. No one is presuming that any of the Big 4 States will send a Trump slate) there is little reason to be confident that the House would vote to seat Trump. They might, but would not be bound to, and the Establishment would exert powerful force to get Biden (or any not-Trump) into office. So SCOTUS would put the legitimacy (if any is left) of the entire system on the line, knowing that it may be entirely for naught. That seems pretty unlikely to me. Lotta risk for little reward. They don’t like Trump either. They need the favor of the Establishment, or they will have to get real jobs.
And if they find for Trump, and the Prog/lefties turn out to burn and smash (as it seems is possible if not likely) Trump will have to move to quell with troopers under his command. That means either nationalizing State National Guard over the head of the governor, or sending in regular troops. It beggars belief that SCOTUS is going to render any judgement that may very well lead directly to that end, with Trump doing the ordering.
Don’t get mad, get even. Mean. Sneaky. Forget about honor and fair fights. We can make these idiots sorry they were ever born, one nasty little episode at a time. No Facebook meeting notices, no TIKTOK reports, no coordinated effort. Don’t tell your friends. Just pick out a member of the establishment and…. make them wish they weren’t. Then go quietly back to whatever it was you were doing.
Gorilla Warfare!!!!!
Guerrilla Warfare. Guerra=war in Spanish.
As for what Brian is saying about fear of commieass rioting? I guess it may be time for them to see what happens when Normie has had enough and says hold my beer and watch this.
Gorilla Warfare is BLM.
In high school, if I wanted to do something, I planned it and executed it by myself. Never leaving a trace of me being involved. I did not brag and only enjoyed the moment silently. The few times I went with a group (T-Ping houses, stealing melons or nighttime swimming) we usually got in trouble because someone could not keep their mouth shut.
Just remember to leave cell phones behind and don’t use a vehicle that has trackable devices.
I have turned in my State P.I. licence but I have to admit both you and HR would make excellent criminals. I could list other good tips but I do not want to encourage bad behavior.😃
Come on, don’t leave us hanging here. Inquiring minds want to know.
Good people doing selectively “bad” things. What’s not to like?
It’s better than burning down school buildings, at least those that are occupied.
Believe me. I am on relatively good behavior posting most of the time. I have all sorts of knowledge and experiences that I would never post because like a tracer round they “point both ways.” Suffice to say that in high school and college I was “that guy.”
If we were to go on a senior citizen “commando” we would be doing all sorts of things we wouldn’t want the opposition to think of trying themselves or telling them what to prepare against.
Punt. Like I said they would. Fucking cowards. I guess we know everything we need to now. Line has been drawn and it is time to grip and rip. See you all on the high ground.
But hey, Q said to Trust the Plan. The Anons set themselves up to be the biggest patsies in American history. I imagine they’re all residing in some classified DB somewhere as well.
LOL! I have been telling people that Q is a psyop. Maybe they believe me now? Or is it after Chiden and Kneepads get sworn in? Trump does not have the balls to implement that executive order and even less balls to do his duty and put down the coup. So it comes back to the 3% that will be called traitors, murderers and savages once again.
I reckoned it would come down to this shit because the officials are all bought and paid for. One thing I learned in the Balkans, Philippines and the two other cluster fucks is that money does not mean shit to people fighting for their land, honor and family. I could never figure out how the brass and Quislings could not digest that.
Sometimes you just need to have a good old gunfight to establish the real alphas and not the pen and paper fuck sticks that think they run shit.
Anons were just the conservative version of NPCs lol. Anyone that still has a shred of faith left in any part of our government deserves to be the first fuckers neck-tied.
I know quite few former and current men in the spec-ops community that are foaming at the mouth right now.
I will say this as well: China has achieved what Russia could not and the goal was never invading the U.S. because it would never be logistically feasible. The entire mission was to destabilize and take the U.S. off the global board so as to pillage Africa. But we all know that Africans, in general, are the most intelligent humans on the planet since they were the cradle of civilization (sarcasm for you illiterate fucks).
I hope all the traitors are happy with what they just created. The only things that will be holding value in the near future are fresh water, ammunition/ arms and food. Shit is going to get real super quick once the NWO shit cans Chiden and Kamalabama Kneepads gets sworn in. When that happens I am going to take a giant shit on every demoncrat and rino that aided and abetted the enemy.
This shit happening in the U.S. we let happen through complacency, ignorance, indoctrination and lack of self-discipline as well as wishful thinking. Every freedom loving parent in America should hang their selves if their kid or kids are fucken commie shit bags.
No justice. No recourse for civil relief. Banks, Wall Street, the alphabets, politicians and their handlers be advised: your days of reckoning are rapidly approaching and there is no paying a fine or making a public apology to makes amends. Any supposed refuckedlican elected officials that let this happen on their watch also be forewarned: you will get the same reckoning… if you are lucky. Fucken bunch of Benedicts.
This is what happens when you stop beating your kids and hand out participation trophies or indulge idiotic fantasies. This is what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass, Larry.
“A hungry wolf is bound to wage a hard battle.”
Laxdaela Saga, c.19
Zero Fucks Given
People should read your post above. This is the type of shit that is self-evident to anyone ever involved in intel or even ops, but will get them labeled as lunatics among dipshit laymen. I gave up flailing my arms wildly trying to get folks to listen.
Your post is totally correct, especially the observations on what makes Man tick.
I’ll boil it down to the First Commandment. Everything devolved when we worshipped anything and everything (power, wealth, ourselves) other than God.
Yeah we have been in a conditioning phase for about 40 years now of “toxic male behavior, men bad, math bad, white men bad” and just about every other goddamned thing being shoveled on us about what being a man makes us as evil. Too bad all humans at the most primitive centers of the brain are FUCKEN NATURAL BORN KILLERS!
We are fucken predators and we need to hunt and kill, and everything they have done in the last 4 decades has hindered it to such a degree of suppressed rage that it is about to come back in a big way when we get back to hunting humans again. We have been doing this proactively for the last 29 years off and on, and the last 19 years have been active as hell in perfecting guerilla tactics and counter-insurgency. The blood lust has been suppressed for far too long by the puppet masters with their hands up the pols’ assholes.
I am pretty confident that my ancestors on the Viking and Apache lines are uttering every obscenity at me right now for not cutting those fucking traitors’ scalps off and blood eagle’ing the fuck out of them already.
America the fuck up America.
The Native blood is going to serve us well in the future. Take pride in your bloodline.
Yes.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/supreme-court-tosses-texas-bid-overturn-election
Well shit, there we have it. Game over. Time for Killdozer Rules. Ammo up!
This is the day America died. It will start to smell real soon.
Logged on to post that . . .otherwise . . . goddamn. We ARE officially sold out. Prepare accordingly.
We are officially a communist country. The Constitution is dead, the rule of law is dead, the foul corruption infects EVERY level of government from top to bottom. The FBI and DOJ are now the Stasi and KGB, they only exist to ferret out those who could go against the regime.
The coup was successful and now all the party apparatchiks are going to do their very level best to push ALL their agendas. Every one of them. You will own nothing, you will take the vaccine, you will wear a mask and you will stay inside. You will eat what the government lets you eat, you will wear what they approve of and their ‘green new deal’ will have you hunting for wood scraps and dried dung to cook your food. Better get used to walking because only electric cars allowed and since they need fossil fuels for generating energy, that will be abolished too.
Woe betide the white man, woe betide the straight man, woe betide the Christian. They have told you what they have planned for you, you will own nothing….and….you will be ‘happy.’
“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”
ha ha ha! You suckas got played!
ha ha ha! You suckas got played!
Fool, assholes like you, assholes too stupid to understand consequences are fixing to get your ignorant ass handed to you by the very people you support. Useful idiots always, ALWAYS, get shot.
I think they will take the case and “split the baby”. I’ve been reading about the process and heard a law professor on Sirius today that helped me to finish my nonqualified opinion of what will happen.
1. They will take the case because there are some very legitimate problems with the last election that cannot be ignored.
2. Per Article 2 Sec 1, the Electoral College meets Monday, Dec 14th per the Electoral Count Act. Conventional thinking is that the winner needs 270 votes. If we want the Constitution followed that include Monday. Sometimes following the Constitution doesn’t work for the good guys but more on that later.
3. January 6th congress counts the votes from #2. I think here is where the SC comes in. The SC will throw out the votes from one or more of the contested states. They aren’t going to award them to Trump. They just won’t be counted.
4. Per Article 2 Sec 1 and 12th ammendment,
Even throwing out those states Biden wins, Texas lawsuit wins, and us plebes lose. Nowhere in there does it say 270 electoral votes.
Well, that was a lot of wasted time typing.
You tried, unlike SCROTUS.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” ~ Pres. JFK
Well, at least you were thinking. What we are now dealing with is the cold hard slap of reality and what the future holds. The holding of false hope is over, now we can look at the situation and make decisions on where to go from here.
In the last chapter of Atlas Shrugged, when the train is broken down and the lights of New York go out while Eddie sits in the car, waiting for…rescue and nothing comes along except for a wagon train pulled by horses. Eddie is offered a ride which he turns down, perhaps because he STILL hopes there’s going to be a rescue. Children, I strongly suggest we get on the wagon train, no one is coming to help us, we are on our own and that is a good thing. There aren’t any constraints about rule of law, there is no law.
“aren’t any constraints about rule of law” end justifies the means works both ways..
Will the Supreme Court’s Conservatives Extinct Themselves?Apparently yes,seems the Texas case tossed,hmmmm…..what does one do when all peaceful means to address wrongs are ignored?
” . . . a long train of usurpations . . . ”
https://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/
F.U., SCROTUS, you venal, spineless dogs.
Alito and Thomas signed the order.
When the revolution which will not be televised, but will be live, arrives, those two will be spared, and offered citizenship. The rest hang, for giving aid and comfort to New World Pharmaceuticals Corp.
http://bestnewshere.com/voter-fraud-ring-caught-rigging-elections-for-democrats-in-texas/
Instead of conservatives, can we just call them homos?
Can we call a mormontard cretin a mormontard cretin?
Many are called. Few are chosen.
Sic ego dixi vobis.
Sic ego dixi vobis.
Ok Cassandra, now what?
How many times have you seen me call something in advance now?
I’m not particularly intelligent and I certainly don’t have precognitive gifts but you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.
I have tried for almost a full decade to get people to prepare for this, to get themselves situated in a place where they can have the best chance of making it through to the next phase of our civilizational collapse, to build the skill sets that would best serve them in the absence of a stable social environment, to surround themselves with honest, like-minded and resilient friends and family and to do it with a smile on your face. Is it a sad moment? Sure it is, but everything dies, even nations.
People endure. The important things never lose value and the Earth abides.
Put this behind you, it’s over and there’s nothing to be done about it.
You have power over your mind — not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.―Marcus Aurelius
Amen!
Stoicism…embracing the suck and playing the cards dealt you.
HSF, I’m afraid we may not be able to just lay low and stay under the radar. At heart I’ve always just wished to be left alone to do my thing doing no harm to others and asking for nothing but the same from them. The way this is all shaping up, I don’t think that’s going to be an option. Time to pick a side whether you really want to or not.
Most stoics were soldiers before the became philosophers.
The nation we knew as America is gone and holding onto ideas like the Constitution or justice are not only pointless, but are in fact handicaps. People are quite literally watching those who cheat win the game and are trying to seek recourse through the official rules. It’s the same kind of chivalric nonsense that sent human waves up against machine guns.
A contract is only as good as the paper it is written on when one party doesn’t abide by the terms and conditions.
It’s time to adopt new tactics, but more importantly to first develop a workable strategy.
Voting and courts are clearly not it.
Cassandra was given the gift of prophesy and the curse of having no one believe her. I am old enough to remember the Kennedy assassination and who climbed into power as a result of his murder and what came into being as a result of that coup. I am also old enough to remember the casualties of the Viet Nam war and the direction the country went as a result of Johnson and his cabal being in office.
Do you think Stalin cared that the Kulaks had farms and skill sets?
I have come to enjoy your contributions over the past year and have a great deal of respect for your talents, but you have a pessimism that runs through your posts more often than not and it makes me feel a genuine sympathy for you .
I don’t know what Stalin thought (or why you felt that was important to mention), but I do know that far more people survived the Soviet system than died in it, especially the ones who produced the food. In war those living in urban environments face far greater risk to their life and liberty than those who live in rural ones. I know that people with a wide range of skill sets and a positive outlook fare better in life than those who are specialists and live in perpetual anxiety. In life it is best to play the odds which favor a successful outcome.
I don’t worry about whether I’ll be killed for my opinions or die from a fall out of a tree because everything dies and death isn’t something to live in fear of, but to be accepted as a fact of life. I choose not to worry about things over which I have no control and focus instead on those things which are in my mind and hands to do every moment of my life.
“Let us prepare our minds as if we’d come to the very end of life. Let us postpone nothing. Let us balance life’s books each day. The one who puts the finishing touches on their life each day is never short of time.” —Seneca
America- the one we all hold close to our hearts- is gone and will not return. This decision isn’t the deathbed moment, but rather it was the obituary. Let today serve as a second birthday, the day when the dead bury the dead and we move into a new future can be whatever we imagine it to be.
Or as one of the great stoics (not the indy band) once said-
Every new beginning comes from some other beginnings end.
I really and truly wish you peace in this moment and send nothing but good thoughts out to you.
I’m sorry you think I’m so cynical. I’ve seen things that most people don’t believe exist, much less actually happen, so I have this cynicism and lack of rose colored glasses. I hold no illusions, the people pushing the agendas have made no secrets of what their ultimate goals are and said goals aren’t exactly wonderful for anyone who cherishes their independence. They aren’t confined to the USA either, this is a global coup, witness Europe, Australia and England and what is happening there as regards lockdowns, economic destruction, loss of freedoms and massive police state activities.
I do marvel that you can be so sanguine about the death of the country, I suppose it is because you are born here and take (took) it for granted. America was unique, one-of-a kind and to crassly brush off her death as some cavalier, ‘oh, well, ces’t la vie kind of moment’ astonishes me.
Thank you for your good thoughts, I wish the same to you and yours as well.
It does not matter what you bear, but how you bear it.
Seneca
Those are my sentiments too.
Tonight I watched Rudy G. impotently rage as Sean Hannity stared back in doe-eyed disbelief. That was before Hannity was preempted by “breaking news” regarding the FDA’s approval of Pfizer’s covid vaccine.
In the next hour, I watched Laura Ingraham and Congressman Jim Jordan discuss Hunter Biden’s ties to China. Jordan’s final comment before the commercial break described his anticipation for John Durham’s forthcoming report.
It’s surreal, like discussing Jackie Kennedy’s dry cleaning bill in the moments after JFK’s head exploded.
Strange times. And I honestly believe it’s going to get more strange in the next several days and weeks – with even more twists and turns in the road ahead.
Therefore, as it all unwinds, I’ll be contemplating the “Parable of the Taoist Farmer” as well as some of the solutions which were left as breadcrumbs in the final paragraphs in each of my last three articles here on TBP.
It is what is.
As the saeculum dictates there will be a crisis in everyone’s lifetime. Fourth Turnings are times of winnowing, there is no middle ground. A decision must be made in every mind and a side must be chosen.
“Deep State” moniker originated in Turkey, and the only way to fight it is the way Erdogan did it. Mass arrests, mass trials (Ergonekon), etc. Due process is optional.
Nothing else will do.
But I think it’s too late anyways.
Speaking of Trump, if he doesn’t pardon Assange on his way out, he can rot in hell.
Soap Box and Ballot Box as well as SCOTUS…no luck. Only one thing left, cartridge box.
Yes.
Guys,I agree,but there are many ways to gum up the works,ammo is pricey and scarce,make each shot count.
Well,at least a little good news for the day:
,I only hope the car is all right!
The supreme court just F–ked up. It shows that they do not recognize the constitution. This means that they have become irrelevant. I do not recognize them. It is obvious that we are in the same position that the former soviet union was in in 1989. The democrat states are broke. The republican states are doing OK. Biden will not become president of the republican states. The Union is finished.
If 20 states, the President, and a couple of rogue Republican legislatures in addition do not “have standing” just who in the fuck does have standing, when and under what circumstance?
I hope the marchers in DC burn the f’ing court building down tomorrow.
He’ll bail out the states just as much as, if not more than, what the FED has been doing with its lending facilities.
Did you mean **we** will bail out the states? As in, we the slaves.
There are only two possibilities with whats going to go down. 1) Trump is going to concede and he was just put in the presidency to ratchet this thing up about 15 notches for the cabal. 2) Or he’s a good guy and was more than ready for this fight and under no circumstances be leaving the white house. In my mind there is no wishy washy crap about him being a good president but got cheated. If he leaves office, he was in on the scam all along.
I’m amused by the idea of stacking the Supreme Court. Isn’t that what every President does when the opportunity arises?
With this decision the court shows the world it already is stacked.
Only the liberal / socialist ones..
The Constitution does not give any state the authority to challenge the validity of the legislation, or its enforcement, of any other state—which is what Texas is [was] doing.
It would appear the citizens within the state, who file affidavits the fraud resulted in the lose of their vote, have standing. With such claims in -3-4-5-states, there could be a consolidation–or a class action ??
The way I have been reading the dismissals, the supporting evidence appears to have been poorly presented as conjecture.
Welcome to the flaming 20’s. A banner at another website, I forget which one, says “Before I agree to 2021, I’m going to have to see the terms and conditions.”
Yep!
Would it be funny or tragic to say that Trump loses right up until the time he wins?
People would save themselves a lot of angst if they just accept what I say about these type things. I said the legal avenues would fail. Not enough time, not enough evidence. HSF called it. I called it. Hope is not a plan. Sure hope, but never let it obscure reality. As Meatloaf said, there ain’t no diamond in the bottom of a crackerjack box.
“……and there ain’t no Coupe De Ville, hiding in the bottom of a Crackerjack box.”
Overwhelming evidence. The courts have just refused to see or hear it.
One hundred.
The rule of law has not survived the lawyers.
I thought the Article IV., Section 4. argument was stronger. The criticism was that it is rarely invoked in any legal theory before the Supreme Idiots and therefore its status is lowly. It states, “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of government….” As another American Thinker contributor argued, what is more evident of republican governance than free and fair elections? The fact that any non-citizen is registered automatically to vote because legislators in various states have found it illogically convenient to hand out licenses to drive is proof of intent to undermine elections by cancelling out valid votes from citizens.
Of course, all of this, every bit of it is can be laid at the feet of the Republican Party, which has betrayed every single American citizen by failing to take up this cause beginning in January of 2017, and that includes Donald Trump. Was there any doubt that 2018 was a dry-run for 2020? Democrats told us so.
Need a party to represent we the people…
Of what value is a court that refuses to do it’s constitutional duty?
No use at all.
Not one single solitary court, from the local level all the way to SCOTUS, allowed a single witness to take the stand, be sworn in and testify about the fraud he/she saw occur. NOT ONE!
WHY DO WE HAVE ELECTION LAWS ON THE BOOKS IF THEY WON’T ENFORCE THEM OR EVEN QUESTION WITNESSES WHO REPORT ELECTIONS VIOLATIONS?!?!
https://sonsoflibertymedia.com/you-cant-sue-them-but-worlds-largest-vaccine-maker-is-suing-man-for-saying-covid-19-vaccine-injured-him/
if the SCOTUS decision had gone the other way, i would have seriously expected to wakeup to news that the actual court building had been looted and burned to the ground overnight.
Did the conservative justices give the election over to Biden for the same reason republicans undercut themselves in congress; to turn power over to liberals so they can’t be held responsible? Time and again republicans in congress put themselves in the minority so they can say, “Hey! We don’t have the numbers to fight!” With Biden threatening to pack SCOTUS, did Roberts and the conservative justices pull a republican congress move so they could safely be outnumbered from the sidelines?
If the most powerful and most respected state (yes, it’s Texas, and no, nobody respects California) can be dismissed with such blatant disrespect, then what voice can anyone else really have?
Secession is the only viable remedy left.
So… it seems Georgia can now declare winners before the election and then make the vote uphold the declaration. Given they can do whatever they want… makes perfect sense. Will the Libertarians learn from this and become criminals to elect people who want Freedom? Oh Wait as soon as the Reps or Libertarians do what the Dems do… we then become the Dems. No Way Out.