NEVER EVER “COOPERATE” WITH A FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENT

Guest Post by Southern Sage

The FBI Wants To Interview Me, What Should I do?: A Simple Question With a  Complex Answer - Burnham & Gorokhov

I have said it before and I will say it again. You never, ever “cooperate” (talk) to any Federal or state law enforcement agent, period. You also do not cooperate with any but benign and obvious local police requests, on the order of kids breaking into cars in the driveways of your neighborhood. You may think you are being a good citizen and, maybe, their questions are legitimate and for a worthy purpose. Maybe. But you do not know that. That professional agent may be a good, patriotic American doing noble work, like catching Chinese spies. Maybe. But you do not know that. I have been involved in two extremely serious “investigations” at the Federal level.

I had done nothing at all wrong but one was politically driven (from the White House) and one was driven by ambitious bureaucrats. In the first instance I got (expensive) legal help before I hanged myself. If I had not, I would have lost my job at the very least. In the second my wife and I were being set up for a totally false obstruction of justice charge.

Again, my attorney saved us and another attorney (you would recognize his name) turned the table on these people and actually forced an apology. Let me tell you what my lawyer told me: You do not talk to the FBI, no matter what they tell you, no matter how they threaten you.

It is simple really. They do not care if you are guilty or innocent if they have marching orders to screw you. If you are innocent but they have to charge you because of orders from above, and you are stupid enough to speak to them, they will simply lie about what you said and then claim you lied to them. Presto! Obstruction of justice! There is a thing call finding of fact. They draw up these “facts”. If what you say contradicts what they say is a “fact”, you are guilty of obstruction of justice. Oh, sure, you will have your day in court and if you are very lucky you will be exonerated, after you have spent time in jail and lost your job and everything you own.

I am not suggesting that they routinely go around rousting innocent people; they are too busy and really don´t care about you. Unfortunately, if you have the “wrong” political views they will do anything and everything to put you behind bars, including lying, planting evidence, using snitches, threatening your family, visiting your work place in a very obvious manner, surveilling you, bugging your house and intercepting your telephone. Don´t believe me? Ask the Proud Boys or the Oathkeepers, or better the poor saps who objected to integration in the South in the 1960´s, to say nothing of actual KKK members.

The vast majority of, for example, the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers are ordinary guys, patriots who love their country and are disgusted at that has happened to it. Few of them would dream of breaking the law. They thought they were merely exercising their Constitutional rights by joining these groups. Suckers. They are ALL infiltrated from top to bottom by human vermin working as informants. ALL OF THEM.

Now hear this. You do not join a group with a cute name. You do not fill out an application. You do not tell anybody you are an “Oathtaker” or “Proudboy” or “militiaman”. You work locally and only with people you know well, you put nothing on paper or a computer or cellphone. You do not use social media. You organize quietly, under the radar. Keep it small, keep it tight. Trust me. Tens of millions of Americans are doing this, quietly preparing for the inevitable. Do not make yourself a target.

Do not draw attention to yourself. Do nothing and write nothing that can be used against you. Do not take any stranger into your confidence. And if you find out that a friend, relative or neighbor has turned into a Federal informant, such as those Biden is trying to create, make sure everybody knows. There are a million ways to do it without them knowing it was you who put their shit in the wind.

As for me, I do not care a bit. I am a law-abiding person and I know exactly how to deal with them. I beat the pants off of them twice and they know it. Anybody comes after me they will regret it, and they know it. You may not be so lucky.

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Guest
Guest
June 17, 2021 9:16 am

It goes way beyond this. Citizen/neighborhood watch, infraguard, predictive policing, gang stalking, no touch torture…

CCRider
CCRider
June 17, 2021 9:39 am

Thanks for that, SS. Good to have you on our side. I’m a looooong way down that road. The fbi has been America’s Gestapo since its inception in 1919 (in the Treasury Dept.) with the evil JE Hoover. Martha Steward could set you straight on talking to these goons.

Ken31
Ken31
  CCRider
June 17, 2021 5:07 pm

It is a myth born of relentless propaganda that the FBI has ever been more than government thugs.

falconflight
falconflight
  Ken31
June 17, 2021 8:53 pm

All those FBI TV shows and movies through the decades.

BUCKED/BUY MORE AMMO/BOURBON TOO
BUCKED/BUY MORE AMMO/BOURBON TOO
June 17, 2021 9:46 am

As Groucho Marx said, ” I’d never belong to a club that would have me as a member ” . Likewise I’d never join a group that would in my opinion have me under investigation one day . Although I suppose my years of being on the TBP and before has me on some list somewhere .

The only time I’ll join a group is when the poop has hit the fan and it warrants such a move.

I’ve explained to folks who’ve said, ” If you have nothing to hide then talk to the police ” mindset how bad that is . Of course I’ll ask them if I can go through their house and search it right now…I mean if you have nothing to hide why won’t you let me look ?

Ouirphuqd
Ouirphuqd
June 17, 2021 9:52 am

I’m in deep red territory, I still don’t trust those who seek my political views. I’m just biding my time to see how crazy it will be. There will plenty of adjustments made when needed. I already know the individuals that are toxic, and I keep my distance.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
June 17, 2021 10:12 am

Shortly after reading your comment on another thread, I watched the video of the retired Green Beret who was recruited by homeland security to inform on the Oath Keepers. All the time I was watching it, I kept asking myself why this guy was voluntarily speaking with these scumbags? He must have thought he was protected by his recording.

Ken31
Ken31
  TN Patriot
June 17, 2021 5:08 pm

Those guys are not easy to fuck with, but he probably has too much confidence.

Auntie Kriest
Auntie Kriest
June 17, 2021 10:22 am

A great video of an outstanding presentation that every free man and woman should watch from time to time to refresh the grey matter on the subject:

Horseless Headsman
Horseless Headsman
  Auntie Kriest
June 17, 2021 11:53 am

Entertaining and right. Good video.

MistaShapeShifta
MistaShapeShifta
  Auntie Kriest
June 17, 2021 9:54 pm

It is a good video, but better advice is to keep yourself out of a position where the police want to talk to you. And if you do end up talking to a cop, don’t totally clam up unless you are prepared to play the game all the way.

I showed this video to my son a few years and he took it to heart. One morning at 2:00 am he is walking around a nearby city with two friends. His friends answer questions, but he acts according to the video. He ends up in jail overnight under suspicion of who-the-fuck-knows-what, and is released the next day with no charges. If you mess with cops’ big egos they will fuck with you. The only ego bigger than a cop’s is a lawyer’s. Lawyers can play this game, but us commoners have to play it differently. Smoother.

Mike
Mike
June 17, 2021 10:27 am

There are people in prison for dealing drugs or for armed robbery or murder. Most people will tell you that is where they belong and that they deserve what they’re going to get.

Myself and everybody who reads this comment also know politicians who have personally ordered or called for military bombing campaigns that have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people based on a total lie. The psychopaths who are responsible for it will never do one day in jail for their crimes. Instead they get to go on tv talk shows or news programs to gloat about it and mindless citizen sheep cheer them for their mass murder.

There is no law and order in this country. There is only the iron hand of the state who’s will is enforced by federal and state law enforcement officers.

Captain_Obviuos
Captain_Obviuos
  Mike
June 17, 2021 4:13 pm

I have personally been lied upon by a police lieutenant under oath, in a court of “law,” in order to protect herself from admitting she had made an error by arresting me in the first place. Naturally, the court sided with her, but the point is, when it comes to lying, the people with badges will not hesitate to do so if it saves their asses or badges.

I will never trust, or speak to, any law enforcement “officers” unless I have an attorney in my employ present. When/if you are arrested, realize, these people are not here to help you, so do nothing to help them. Even men like Gandhi knew that being silent is sometimes more powerful than a hundred words.

Ken31
Ken31
  Mike
June 17, 2021 8:46 pm

Many of these politicians who make dealing drugs a crime also have their own “drug guy”. Or so I have heard.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 17, 2021 10:32 am

“You also do not cooperate with any but benign and obvious local police requests,”

I’ve had no interaction with them in recent years that weren’t relatively benign, but in every case but one, they lied about what they were doing or why, or completely clammed up. On the other hand, there have been multiple dangerous situations where they (local and state both) did not let anyone know what was going on, to the point where innocents could easily have been killed when warning them could have kept them safe.

The situations in which I will cooperate have dwindled to basically nothing, and it’s not even some moral thing anymore. It’s just their own fault for acting like shit.

GDP, usually gruntled
GDP, usually gruntled
June 17, 2021 10:39 am

To reinforce what SS has written read “Licensed to Lie” by Sydney Powell. Read how vindictive and predatory DOJ lawyers, managers and directors flout the law and trample the rights of innocent people for career advancement without fear of punishment.
Then take his advice and don’t talk to the pricks. Ever.

Capn Mike
Capn Mike
  GDP, usually gruntled
June 17, 2021 5:34 pm

her – FIFY

Crawfisher
Crawfisher
June 17, 2021 10:45 am

Short version of a very long story. Had a DoD investigator show up at my home unannounced, wife would not answer the door, he left a card. I contacted him, he and a Asst. US Attorney (AUSA) wanted to interview me. I said I would meet them only after I got an attorney. I hired an ex AUSA, that’s when I discovered the Govt views you as a Witness, Subject, or Target. I was a witness, he explained you can go from witness to target with one wrong statement. It all ended well. Those people are not your friends, get the right real attorney and listen to them.

Frank
Frank
June 17, 2021 11:23 am

Probably pointing out the obvious here, but – “You work locally and only with people you know well” could include knowing that they are not motormouths who like to brag themselves up.

Archeopteryx Phoenix
Archeopteryx Phoenix
June 17, 2021 11:23 am

Probably best not to take cellphone pics of TBPers at the upcoming farm party. Just sayin’.

No photos.

Sinking ships and all that jazz.

Two if by sea. Three if from within.
Two if by sea. Three if from within.
  Archeopteryx Phoenix
June 17, 2021 12:02 pm

Excellent advice!!!

cornflake_jackson
cornflake_jackson
June 17, 2021 11:33 am

“You have the right to remain silent, ANYTHING you say (truth or lie) can and WILL be used against you in a court of law.” When it comes to all law enforcement…shut your fucking mouth. They are not your friends. Think they are? Read the above again. Didn’t the rioting last summer teach us anything?

Two if by sea. Three if from within.
Two if by sea. Three if from within.
June 17, 2021 11:57 am

Amen!

ottomatik
ottomatik
June 17, 2021 1:19 pm

Sage Advice.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
June 17, 2021 1:31 pm

Except for a few small things, I not only agree but think what you wrote is profound, Southern Sage. Experience is a great teach, which is why government took over being the daddy, to stop the transmission of hard-earned wisdom. Like I say, get politically invisible if you are white.

I disagree with the ending bluster. Defense is not offense. They can try again and again within their system. I also disagree with this: “Trust me. Tens of millions of Americans are doing this, quietly preparing for the inevitable.” Without a viable culture of flesh assertion, there is not we beyond the local cliques. Christians are way off. There is no cohesion, and so no coordination. Only the state has coordination.

Bottom line: A great message. The correct strategy. We can’t win any time soon. They can. Nondescript appearance, persistence, and hope for an offensive opportunity (which may belong to a younger generation).

Anonymous
Anonymous
  'Reality' Doug
June 17, 2021 3:51 pm

Only the state has coordination.

Not only. BLM/Antifa have coordination … and funding … and license from the state

The state has coordination, and BLM/Antifa have coordination <—This is not coincidence.

Zulu Foxtrot Golf
Zulu Foxtrot Golf
June 17, 2021 3:01 pm

My dad taught one thing after he got out of prison: lawyer up.

My name is amendment 5.

Ken31
Ken31
June 17, 2021 5:05 pm

You have to be a real low life to be a fed LEO. Everything they do is both immoral and unconstitutional.

Davido Davido
Davido Davido
June 17, 2021 7:04 pm

Certainly agree that it is wise not cooperate in your own interrogation. But generally biting your tongue and hiding your interests is not the way to live. “Do nothing and write nothing that can be used against you.” I prefer to speak clearly and plainly, and focus on treating others justly whether the law requires it or even forbids it. Those officials, or neighbors, who take exception to acting justly are merely revealing themselves to be the enemy.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
June 17, 2021 7:18 pm

That was great storytelling.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 18, 2021 1:08 pm

FedGov lawyers have bottomless bank accounts with which to extend their prosecution of you.
Few people can afford long-term legal care. Charles Murray proposed some kind of legal insurance that people could buy into.