IF IT ISN’T A VACCINE, EMPLOYERS CAN’T MANDATE IT

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oldtimer505
oldtimer505

The question is; is there a statute that states it must be an “approved vaccine” in order for it to be legally mandated? I am no attorney but, it seems there has to be statute to back up an argument such as this. Then it is like you suggest is there an attorney and judge out there with the balls to standup for freedom of choice & the moral high ground.

Glock-N-Load

Fuck that. Where does it say that government can make you take any medical treatment?

Anonymous
Anonymous

No statute that violates your Natural Rights can be valid. Those are a minimum of personal autonomy and personal property. Anyone not willing to fight to the death for those rights is not a human, but an animal in human shape. The Bible (and the stuff cut out of it) talk extensively about the difference using different language.

Llpoh
Llpoh

Anon – the issue will be that there is no right to a job. You will not individually be required to “vaccinate”. But as there is no Natural Right to a job, well, you and your autonomy and personal property can move along, dontcha know.

HAL p
HAL p

0h I agree with that if they start shutting you out of society but that will get ugly quick and when you take away someone’s right to work and pay for the roof over their heads and their food on the table it’s not going to take long before they’re going to fight back.

NC Rob
NC Rob

When I can’t feed my family I will hunt those that can.

NC Rob
NC Rob

Unfortunately they own the courts & judges.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Why should they be able to mandate putting potentially harmful substances in your body? Personal autonomy is the foundation upon which the constitution was ostensibly built, as well as a foundational precept for Christians and man others.

But Corporations should be able to coerce people to surrender their Natural Rights for any reason? Go fuck yourself, shill.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

THeY’rE pRiVaTe CoMpAnIeS !

Llpoh
Llpoh

They will not make you surrender your personal rights. Just your job. There is no Constitutional protection of jobs. Again, this is not an analysis of right vs wrong of it. It is simply what is the reality of it. And of course companies are private property, and generally employ at will.

So, my advice is to figure out how to earn a living without being an employee. Keep in mind of course contractors and such without the vax may be denied entry to worksites.

DS
DS

It’s almost as if you’re rooting for people to take the “vaccine”…

Anonymous
Anonymous

Not him. He’s just popping the false hopium balloon. He’s saying get a better plan Stan.

fujigm
fujigm

DS:
Quit whining. And save the straw-man argument for the other idiots.
All Llpoh is saying is you have no right to a job.
He is correct.
If I recall, he was recently pilloried for stating that he was an employer to care for his family and self, he was not an employer to coddle his employees, and that nobody has a right to employment.
He was again right. The truth hurts.
If you don’t like your employer’s demands, don’t be an employee.
Grow a pair and put it all on the line, be self-employed.
If you disdain all of the government encroachment on your self-employment (and you will), then go big, get a spinal transplant and go gray or black market.
The freedom you feel as you break away from the system is exhilarating.
The more you read about opportunities outside your ‘box’, the more you learn, and expand your box.
You will soon see the state as the monumental parasite that it is, providing only false promise in return for the wealth you shovel into its bottomless maw.
But you also begin to see the endless opportunity to avoid the state.
The vaccine fears fade away, politics fades away (you will begin to buy your politicians instead of voting with the proles). And keep the receipt for your purchase. When the parasite fails to perform, it may be necessary to remind him/her that you hold his failure or success in your hands.
Llpoh gives sage advice, a wise man would heed it.
Don’t be shy, take the first step as there is no time like the present.

Llpoh
Llpoh

Thanks Fuji. People are starting to understand. You are right – the truth hurts. But it is still the truth.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

True, but goobermint institutes a lot of rules on private companies. DeSantis prohibits vaccine mandates. Kristi Noem facilitates them.

Anonymous
Anonymous

always better to not be an employee anyway. though for many of us thats more nice-sounding theory than practical reality. one looks around and sees everything already fenced off and locked up. most of it in the hands of corporations (which can hardly claim to be separate from the state when they only even exist by virtue of a charter granted by the state. theyre symbiotic, corporations and the state). Some of it in the hands of other human beings, who might have enough to spare to be able to engage in some trade with you, but the majority of it, corporations. Everyone under the squeeze from the biggest corporations and banks and the state, for taxes, keeping on the treadmill running against infinite free digibit fiat that the megacorps and banks can dream up at will, and those who control the flow there can dictate a lot of conditions. It looks hopeless to most of us and the conclusion is to go into one of those doors and sell oneself for a wage.
no exception here. ive worked independently for some years and yet, that ended up not paying the bills, and im back working a wage slave job (for a little while,the megacorp says we only think we want someone on this job for 6 months and thats that, then out you go!) too.
without direct access to the land to make a living, the rest gets pretty hairy.

What to do about it? a comprehensive total general strike would help a lot. And the essence of that strike would have to be aimed primarily at the strongest structures holding up the enemy’s tower: some but not all include, refusing to accept funny money in exchange for real goods or labor , so that the banks digibits lose their power.. refusing to recognize the personhood of a corporation – property owned by actual ‘natural persons’ belongs to someone and must be respected but a corporation, where liability and property are split apart? that ought to be considered as Res Nullius… refusing to recognize limits imposed on people exchanging their labor or property amongst each other – neither ‘licenses’ nor ‘reporting’ nor taxation of these, an exchange between people is their business and theirs alone. Refusing to recognize a medium of exchange that is dependent on or infinitely reproducible by the banks and megacorps , and directly exchanging real stuff is a big part of that. Yes, it will be a largely barter economy until people start figuring out the tried and true advantages of certain metals as more convenient, but theres no room for banks and megacorps in that scene.

and they will definitely send cops to stop it. _that_ will end when the cops find they cannot spend their digibit salary on anything real. theyll be trapped in the corporate world, which if people are withholding their labor, will not be able to even feed itself.

of course, people who are only barely making ends meet now are not inclined to take such a risk- one more reason they want everyone desperate and dependent.

_that_ can be ended by people replacing desperation and hopelessness with _being pissed off_

Anonymous
Anonymous

Digibit Fiat is a good one. You should get a patent on it.

TampaRed

a couple of days ago i read the 1st few paragraphs of a story about how the fda is adding more people to the section that grants full approval to vaxxes in order to grant full approval to the pfizer vaxx-
if it is approved versus experimental they can mandate it–

Mygirl....maybe

They changed the definition of vaccine and they changed the definition of pandemic. They can do pretty much whatever it is they want to do and create the ‘laws’ and definitiions to justify their actions.

In recent years and months, the long-held definitions of three words all changed, with immense ramifications for public health policy in the midst of COVID-19
WHO’s original definition of a pandemic from May 1, 2009, specified simultaneous epidemics worldwide “with enormous numbers of deaths and illnesses”; this definition was changed in the month leading up to the 2009 swine flu pandemic, removing the severity and high mortality criteria
COVID-19 vaccines are technically gene therapies and did not meet the definition of vaccine, until Merriam-Webster’s vaccine definition was recently changed to — conveniently — include a description of the experimental gene therapies
From June 2020 to November 2020, WHO changed their definition of herd immunity to imply that it’s a concept that only applies to vaccination, not naturally acquired immunity gained from prior infection
The implication for society is that by putting out this false information, they’re attempting to change your perception of what’s true and not true, and perverting science in the process

The Definition of “Pandemic” has been Altered

Steve
Steve

MG,
Yes to all except “gene therapy”. Therapy implies a benefit. There is none. These injections stimulate the body to produce a toxin aka the spike protein.

TampaRed

doc who was defamed by cnn/anderson cooper 4 advocating hydroxychloroquine is suing 4 $100 million–
let us hope she wins–

Dr. Stella Immanuel Launches $100 Million Dollar Lawsuit Against CNN After Being Vindicated on Hydroxychloroquine

musket
musket

Stella! Kick their asses!

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer

It’s pointless to try and argue against what is. Of course they can mandate a vaccine or a gene therapy or a muzzle if they want to and you either go along, quit, or get fired. These are the times in which we live.

That’s one of the downsides to working a job. Like slavery there are perks for the obedient, hard worker. Free lodging, no taxes, free food, healthcare, maybe some recreational activities or treats if you are especially productive and compliant. Cause trouble and you could be let go/sold, but unlike slavery, you have a choice, don’t you?

There is no justice system, no courts are ever going to hear any of these cases even if someone is lucky enough to find some shyster to represent you- which is just as unlikely- so you are going to have to decide pretty soon what your plans are. The day is getting late, wait too long and there won’t be any choices left to make.

fujigm
fujigm

Mr. HF;
I beg to differ.
Even slaves have a choice.
Fear makes them think TINA.
All men are inherently free.
Many would rather live on their knees than die on their feet.
They fail to realize they will also eventually die.
On their knees.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer

I wasn’t talking about folks like us, I was talking about this misplaced reliance on a system of values and beliefs that no longer exist. The government and those fellow travelers are no longer constrained by the artifice of the Constitution or of laws and justice.

I am saying that if you still believe that the court system is going to make this right, your faith is misplaced, but I don’t get that impression from you.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

Just say “no” as long as you can.

anon I
anon I

It’s time we quit kidding ourselves. The Feds and their corporate owners can do any damn thing they want to you now. Drop the outrage porn and endlessly diagnosing symptoms.

Every hour you spend playing Larperville they get further into your head until you become battered spouses and fall in love with Big Brother. Real life Stepford Wives.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer

There you have it.

TampaRed

this is off armstrong economics–
if employers Mandate the vaxx vs strongly suggest it the employee will at least be covered by worker’s comp–
not much consolation but if insurance cos. have to pay out then the employer’s experience rating will get hammered & maybe they will quickly drop the mandates–

Employers Will be Responsible for Mandatory Vaccine Reactions

Anonymous
Anonymous

If the company is in “The Club” they will be bailed out or like farmer said, it will never see a courtroom. If they’re not in the club they will be crowded out and then bought by a club member if they have any value.

It’s over Red. There is no recourse in courtrooms. All that remains is an all or nothing Donnybrook or hoping they will overlook us.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer

And in the very same fashion that every death from OD, motorcycle accident or gunshot wound was ruled death by Covid, the inverse will become true.

No one who ever dies of any vaxx related set of syndromes will ever be ruled as having succumbed to anything other than whatever.

We cannot keep pretending that there is some kind of fail safe system that will finally kick in, there isn’t.

fujigm
fujigm

Once again, I beg to differ.
There is a fail-safe mechanism.
It is inside you.
When it kicks in, you will know it immediately.
And your world will never be the same.
Fear and doubt is gone.
Allegiance to the state evaporates.
All that they say and do is an affront, not unlike a rapist.
For those that the fail-safe has not been trained out, rage and violence will be the answer.
Look at history.
These are historic times.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Try to stay in context instead of grandstanding.

fujigm
fujigm

Oh, let me jump down from the soapbox and say this in words you can easily understand.
It’s really simple.
Read the posts of people here fretting about legalities.
Like your government is quibbling about legalities.
And they will enforce their ‘legalities” through your employer.
“Sorry, just following government rules.”
And many will submit in fear of losing their job.
When will you reject everything they say and do and view them as your primary enemy?
Keep trying to jump through the state’s hoops.
Keep doing what you’re told.
Or not.
The context is your entire life, from the time you get up, until the time you sleep, is regulated by the state.
When you’ve had enough, they will not let you leave peacefully.
Submit or not, you will not escape the coming violence; you are watching history happen.
And look what states have historically done to those who submitted.
They eliminated over 100 million last century.

Everyone makes a choice.

Llpoh
Llpoh

Someone around here told y’all how this would likely play out. And lo and behold, so it is going. It was not an analysis of should or should not, but rather one of what is and is not. It was simply a statement of reality, and how it would likely go.

The big tech companies are the ones so far that are mandating the vax. They would not be doing that if huge legal liability attached. Law courts are tossing out suits and are effectively saying there is no Constitutional right to things like college education, etc. And the same will likely apply to jobs.

The dominos are falling. It will be up to employers to decide whether or not to mandate vax. And there will be great pressure on many of them to do so. Further, I expect the vaccines to be moved from experimental to fully approved soon. Again, not a analysis of should or should not, just a statement of what is likely to happen. And if so, it will close one of the remaining doors that employees may use to argue.

The world is not a good place right now.

Todd Packer's Mentor
Todd Packer's Mentor

… And don’t look to your priest for help, either, at least in NY.

New York archdiocese: priests cannot support Catholics who resist Covid vaccine
August 02, 2021

The New York archdiocese has instructed priests that they should not support parishioners who seek religious exemptions from Covid vaccination mandates.

A July 30 memo from the offices of the vicar general and chancellor of the archdiocese acknowledges that there are pleas from “some Catholics who have a sincere moral objection” to the Covid vaccine because of their use of fetal cell lines taken from abortions. But the memo goes on to note that both Pope Francis and Cardinal Timothy Dolan have encouraged vaccination.

“There is no basis for a priest to issue a religious exemption to the vaccine,” the memo says.

The vicar general and chancellor—Msgr. Joseph LaMorte and John P. Cahill—go on to present a hypothetical case in which an unvaccinated student causes an outbreak of the epidemic at a Catholic school. “Clearly this would be an embarrassment to the archdiocese,” they warn. They add that a priest might be held personally liable for the outbreak.

While allowing that individuals may “exercise discretion” about the vaccine, the archdiocesan officials stated that they must do so without seeking the inaccurate portrayal of Church instructions.” They do not comment on the possibility that an individual Catholic’s sincere moral objections might conflict with the instructions issued by Church leaders.

Apparently referring to the likelihood that parishioners would seek their pastors’ testimony to support their conscientious resistance, the memo concludes: “Our priests should not be active participants to [sic] such actions.”

Anonymous
Anonymous

What would you expect from an institution infested with a bunch of godless, degenerate queers?

TampaRed

unfortunately,i believe that you guys are probably correct–
the only thing that will stop this is an act of god or a serious amount of widespread civil unrest by the middle class–

BL
BL

Llpoh- Are you fully vaxxed? If not , there is still time. 🙂

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

They : get vaccinated
I: no
They: please
I: no
They: get vaccinated or you can’t travel
I: is that a threat or a promise?
They: get vaccinated or you can’t go to the store.
I: no
They: get vaccinated or you can’t work here.
I: fine I won’t work here
They: get vaccinated or you’ll be arrested
I: go ahead and arrest me, fuckers
They: get vaccinated or we’ll kill you
I: life is overrated.

Anonymous
Anonymous

WELCOME TO AMERICA.

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MORE ON THE WAY EVERY DAY.
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Your replacements don’t have rights over vaccines or anything else so why should the corporate owners give you any. They just don’t have to is why.

Joe Blow
Joe Blow

My son in law’s cousin is a Fed employee and was ill in the last couple of weeks. Decided to go get the jab 2 weeks ago (since the feds were looking to mandate it), started feeling bad this weekend. Husband was going to take her to urgent care this morning, but she started turning blue so called 911. They are looking for an artificial lung machine this evening.

Joe Blow have hemp rope, will travel...
Joe Blow have hemp rope, will travel...

Passed away last night.

Unvaxxed
Unvaxxed

My condolences, Joe. But thanks for the info.

MineNotYours
MineNotYours

So will her death be reported to VAERS?

Steve
Steve

I’ll keep is short and simple.
Stand on your own feet in all respects or live on your knees.

subwo
subwo

The left has changed the definition of the jab. By decree they call them vaccines so that is what the courts will call them.

Llpoh
Llpoh

Yarp

centinel
centinel

All that matters is power.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

It’s all that’s ever mattered.

Dan
Dan

There’s no shortage of legal arguments against mandating people get vaccinated and there is no shortage of
evidence showing the vaccine is both ineffective at preventing infection AND that the vaccine poses a very real
very serious risk to the health of large numbers of people. ALL that is IRRELEVANT. The people in power WANT
everyone vaccinated…..why is open to speculation….but they have made it quite clear that they will stop literally
at NOTHING to achieve this goal. And expecting the quislings on the Bench to stop them is foolhardiness at
it’s highest.

BL
BL

They have to find me first Danny Boy. Can’t wait for them to tell you to give up everything you own and board the train to camp Dan, guess there is nothing you can do…..have a good time at camp.

ddanancyaofel
ddanancyaofel

If vaccinated people are still spreading and dying from COVID e.g….Colin Powell…then the vaccine can’t rationally be mandated for anyone since it’s not a proven effective vaccine against COVID and we dont’ know the long term effects. Thus, the benefits of taking the vaccine don’t outweigh the risks associated with getting the vaccine, including, but not limited to, it’s utter ineffectiveness.

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