At age 13, Leonna Davis lost her father to suicide. Years later, a little-known, marijuana-related disease forced Davis to a place where she, too, considered taking her own life.
A recently identified disease caused by chronic use of marijuana, Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome (CHS), has become increasingly common across the country. Its symptoms — severe stomach pain and nausea, depression and suicidal ideation — have caused increasing health care costs, emotional and physical distress.
Brian Smith Jr., 17-year-old Indiana high school student, died after suffering from dehydration due to the disease, according to the coroner’s report. Neither Smith nor his mother, Regina Denney, believed the doctors when they diagnosed him with CHS. He was dead three months later.
Those who suffer from the illness find relief for their nausea only from scalding hot showers or heating pads. Many never make the connection to their use of marijuana and the gastrointestinal issues nor the depression and suicidal thoughts that come unbidden, having never been evident in these patients before the onset of CHS.
Davis, from Huntsville, Alabama, told American Conservative Voice that marijuana helped ease her pain following her father’s death. It was a relief from her PTSD and anxiety. What the drug was doing to her, however, changed her life dramatically in less than a year.
“Every morning, I’d wake up, and I’d have to throw up. I couldn’t eat. I couldn’t sleep. It was a complete nightmare,” Davis said. “My episodes would last for hours at a time. I would throw up fifteen times in one, four-hour episode. Once, I threw up for eight hours straight, to the point that my throat was bleeding.”
A trip to the doctor resulted in Davis getting a colonoscopy and endoscopy, the physician thinking her symptoms might be consistent with early-onset colon cancer. The tests, however, came clean. Doctors then shifted their concerns, believing Davis was not being forthcoming about having bulimia. Further testing proved she was not.
“The only thing that ever helped with the nausea was scorching hot, boiling showers,” she said. “I would put hot rags on my face while I was in there. The only thing I could consume was popsicles and only while I was in the shower. And I could drink Ensure shakes. I didn’t eat solid food.”
Davis lost 85 pounds over that year from the time her symptoms began, An unexpected effect of CHS was that her near-constant hot showers increased her utility bills by $100 a month. Despite having good insurance through her work as a dental lab technician, Davis had to spend over $1000 out of pocket for hospital bills. She nearly lost her job because of her frequent absences, even with doctor’s notes.
Eventually, Davis stopped smoking marijuana and her symptoms subsided, “but I didn’t connect the dots,” she said. She began smoking again at the age of 17 and her symptoms came back. When she was 18, she had another colonoscopy, and again the results were normal. She would not receive the CHS diagnosis until earlier this year at age 22.
During yet another hospital stay in January, Davis finally admitted to medical staff that she smokes marijuana regularly. One of her nurses had just completed training regarding CHS and suggested that may be the culprit. She was right.
“I was in the hospital with extreme dehydration. I was in and out of consciousness,” Davis said.
Following the nurse’s revelation, Davis again ceased using marijuana immediately. By June, she was mostly symptom-free. Despite her experience, Davis said that she is not opposed to legalization that would legalize marijuana. Alabama legalized low-grade THC so-called “medical marijuana” since 2014, but there is a push to make the drug legal without a prescription.
Davis’ message regarding CHS is a call for education.
“If you smoke weed,” she said, “please be informed. If you feel like you are starting to feel sick every day, in the mornings especially, and if hot showers are the only thing that helps you, please seek medical advice and mention CHS to get more information. This could kill you. People that continue to smoke have lost their lives because they were so dehydrated and didn’t seek help. I was lucky. I was able to get to the hospital in time.“
Nina Griffith’s story doesn’t match Leonna Davis’ exactly, but it rhymes. She spoke with America’s Conservative Voice for this report.
Originally from Florida, Griffith attended the University of Alabama in 2019. Then she moved to Denver, Colorado. It was in the grip of the CCP virus pandemic that Griffith began smoking marijuana regularly. She admits to feeling isolated, bored, and depressed as the virus scare closed businesses and forced universities strictly to online venues.
Griffith had casually used marijuana prior to the pandemic, but says the “new normal” under the pandemic propelled her smoking into overdrive. Smoking daily and heavily for about four months, she began feeling nauseous every morning. The symptoms of CHS had set in.
“I was nauseous all morning, every morning. I lost almost 30 pounds,” she said.
As Davis discovered, relief came from taking hot showers, as hot as she could stand the water.
“Hot showers were the only thing that helped me,” she explained. “I would spend up to eight hours in the shower, literally just laying there.”
Seeking help from the internet to discover what was wrong with her, Griffith came across information on CHS. After five days of symptoms, and with a vague suspicion of what was causing them, Griffith went to the hospital for the first time. Doctors gave her fluids and confirmed she had the syndrome.
Griffith quit smoking for a short time after the hospital visit. But she took a trip from Denver back to Florida with her boyfriend to see family. Her symptoms returned, even though she did not smoke on the drive across country or once back in the Sunshine state.
“When we got there, I completely shut down,” she said. “That’s when I realized that stress and ‘trigger foods’ could lead to episodes. My sickness ruined the trip.”
When it was time for the return drive across the country, Griffith didn’t think she could make it. Her boyfriend drove back alone. Griffith would fly back a week later when her symptoms had settled.
“I knew then how serious this disease can be,” she said. “It’s been debilitating.”
Now sober for seven months, Griffith says she has felt fine as far as the physical symptoms are concerned, but that she no longer feels “normal.” She is back in school and in December will graduate from UA and from the Colorado Film School. In the fall of 2020, however, she thought she might die from CHS. She still doesn’t feel quite right emotionally.
“Something has permanently changed,” Griffith said.
Sue Justice, an 84-year-old from Springfield, Missouri, told America’s Conservative Voice that stories like those of Davis and Griffith resonate with her. For 30 years, Sue Justice smoked at least four times a week. She has suffered for the last 15 years from the symptoms of CHS, but did not know what they were.
“Pain and nausea, pain and nausea, all the time,” Justice said. “I’d been to the ER four times.”
Once, while sick in the bathroom of her home, Justice fainted. She hit her head on a sink as she fell, causing a severe laceration. When she didn’t come out for some time, her husband came in to check on her, asking what happened.
“I just fainted,” Justice, lying on the marble floor, bleeding, told him. “Just let me lay here.”
In her multiple trips to the Emergency Department of her local hospital, Justice was never asked whether she smoked marijuana. Just as with Leonna Davis, doctors suspected colon cancer and orders a colonoscopy and an endoscopy. Also like Davis’, the results were normal. Doctors then asked Justice to see an oncologist, who suggested that she may have some other form of cancer.
“Cancer” wasn’t what Justice wanted to hear, but at least it was something she could understand.
“And I thought, you know, maybe I have cancer, but at least I’ll know. I’m so sick. Just give me an answer,” she said.
She may have been resigned, but was further disappointed. The oncologist ruled out the possibility after thorough testing. Frustrated and dissatisfied with doctors and technicians to find an answer, Justice turned to where most CHS sufferers end up: The internet. Spending hours a day and days on end trying to find a disease that fit her symptoms, Justice found help in an unlikely place.
There is a Facebook support group for CHS sufferers, and Justice found it. That group, she said, saved her life.
“If I hadn’t found the group,” she said, “I wouldn’t be here today. I might’ve killed myself. I didn’t want to be here anymore.”
There was an additional source of stress for Justice throughout the ordeal of not knowing what was wrong. Her husband’s Alzheimer’s disease was progressing.
“If I’d have had my choice to live or die, I’d have rather been dead,” she bluntly stated. “He was the only reason I didn’t give in to the voices that were telling me to take my life.”
As with countless others before her, once Justice stopped smoking, her symptoms began to subside. The pain and nausea gradually went away. Once she could begin eating normally again, she regained 30 pounds of weight loss, going from 129 pounds back to 155 pounds.
“Some people just don’t want to believe that it’s the pot, but it is,” she said. “It’s nothing but the pot.”
CHS has not changed Justice’s opinion of legalizing marijuana, either. As with Davis and Griffith, her opinion on the legalization of weed, particularly for medicinal uses, remains unchanged.
“Weed is the biggest healer on the planet when used right,” she said. “It will alleviate nausea. It’s the best thing since sliced bread, just not for us.”
The Facebook group, called “Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome Recovery,” that Justice says saved her life, was set up for precisely that reason. It now has over 12,000 members. A New Englander, Erica Hagler, began the group in mid-2019 following her own long bout with CHS.
Having smoked marijuana for about 18 years, Hagler’s CHS symptoms started around eight years ago, Three years ago, they became unbearable.
“It got to the point where I couldn’t go out anymore,” she told America’s Conservative Voice. “I would start canceling plans, not wanting to hang out with friends.”
As with Justice, Hagler’s nausea and vomiting so dehydrated her that she began having fainting spells. As with most CHS sufferers, she never connected the nausea and suicidal ideation to marijuana.
Hagler soon discovered the dirty little secret Nina Griffith found. Stress brings on more nauseous episodes even when she was not smoking. On a trip taken to Martha’s Vineyard in 2018, Hagler’s then-boyfriend proposed. She was pushed over the emotional edge by the excitement and stress of planning a wedding.
“That’s when I had my first full-blown episode,” she explained. “I went to the hospital for two weeks the day after my engagement.”
As with Davis, Griffith, and Justice, there were not quick, easy, and cut-and-dried answers for Hagler from health care professionals.
“The doctors tested me for everything they could think of,” Hagler said. “It got to the point where they said there’s nothing else we can test you for and asked me to leave the hospital.”
That was of no help to Hagler at all. She lost 20 pounds in just three week, continuing to suffer from nausea, vomiting and suicidal thoughts.
“Once I had started vomiting, I could not stop,” she said. “I almost died.”
Again, the internet came to the rescue. Doing her own research online, Hagler read about CHS. She stopped smoking and slowly began to feel better.
“I had been in another support group that would blame the disease on the pesticides and not the weed itself,” she said.
Dissatisfied with that whitewash, Hagler decided to take matters into her own hands, starting the Facebook support group that Sue Justice credits with saving her life. It has grown by leaps and bounds over the last 18 months.
“People have said I work for ‘big pharma,’ that I’m anti-weed,” Hagler said. “That’s not true. I’m just a person that refused to be sick anymore, and if there was any way I could stop people from feeling the way I was feeling, I was going to do it.”
Dr. Joseph Habboushe has heard many stories like these.
Assistant professor of Clinical Emergency Medicine at Weill Cornell Medical College, Habboushe works at emergency rooms across New York City. CHS has become the focus of his research, and he has had multiple published studies on the disease.
“We started seeing more and more patients with this disease, and it was something that we knew very little about,” he told America’s Conservative Voice about CHS. “It’s a syndrome that has been grossly under diagnosed.”
Habboushe finds a paradox in CHS and marijuana. What the drug supposedly cures in some, it causes in others.
“Marijuana decreases nausea in the acute setting and here you have something paradoxical, where it’s increasing nausea and pain,” he said.
One of Habboushe’s own patients sparked his first research on the topic CHS. He had a patient that he worried would suffer kidney failure from severe dehydration.
“But that doesn’t happen from one day of vomiting. That happens after significant, significant vomiting,” the doctor said. “But I had this patient with CHS who had a day or so of vomiting and had acute renal failure.”
He knew that nausea and ongoing vomiting, coupled with the inability to drink water and keep it down were present in CHS patients, Habboushe thought there must be another factor contributing to these kidney issues. It turned out that the hot showers his patients were using for relief of their symptoms were causing the kidney issues.
“A lot of CHS patients are taking showers in very hot temperatures — hotter than hot tubs, which you aren’t supposed to be in for more than 20 or 30 minutes,” he said. “They were taking these hot showers for hours on end.”
Garnering even more attention was the doctor’s second study on CHS. Reviewing emergency department records, Habboushe found that only about a third of those smoking marijuana at least 20 times per month were suffering the symptoms of CHS. People like those included in this story.
From those number, Habboushe determined that more than 2.75 million Americans probably suffer from CHS. It is a number that is likely to increase as laws criminalizing marijuana laws become a thing of the past.
“Folks would call CHS rare in the medical literature, and I hated that,” Habboushe said. “I’m a scientist and you shouldn’t use a word if you don’t have evidence to back it up. They called it rare, but it wasn’t rare. We doctors were just rarely noticing what it was, and that was our bad.”
Though ED doctors are becoming more familiar with CHS, Habboushe believes there is a lot more work to be done in educating medical providers about the disease. It is lesser known, he said, because primary care doctors haven’t made the effort to become educated about it.
Habboushe is convinced that the lack of knowledge about CHS, its symptoms, and its only valid treatment — an immediate end of marijuana use — will ultimately lead to increased health care costs. The average cost nationwide for colonoscopies and endoscopies those in this story were subjected to is $3,025. Multiply that by 2.75 million.
As CHS becomes more commonly known and better understood, though, Habboushe said those costs may be reduced.
“Now that we know CHS better,” he said, “I think we can start to avoid those costs and those workups.”
Though Habboushe declined to express an opinion on the legalization of marijuana, he believes people on both sides of that argument should agree that CHS needs to be studied more carefully. He said that knowing there is a part of the pot lobby that wants to deflect blame from marijuana itself onto the chemical treatments they claim are applied to illegal marijuana crops by the government.
“One commonality on both sides of the argument — folks who want to legalize and those completely against it — is that they’re not arguing that we should study things,” he said. “We should study these things. We shouldn’t be shy to study it. All of us should agree that science should be involved.”
The doctors said that for those who smoke marijuana on a near-daily basis and who are experiencing nausea, vomiting, and suicidal thoughts they did not have before, the answer is simple.
“If you consume cannabis and hot showers help, the next thing should be cessation. It’s not easy, and patients may need support to stop, but quitting is the answer.”
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None of this should be surprising. All things in moderation.
Daily over-consumption of alcohol can cause all kinds of problems, everyone knows this
Using opioids on a daily basis, even if you have chronic pain, can cause problems. Long-term opioid users tend to experience MORE pain, chronic constipation, depression, and suicidal ideation
Most people know someone who smokes weed every day. They generally do not look well, have zero motivation in life, and smell pretty bad.
People who consume too much food
People who consume too much of anything end up sick.
Actually, I have never in my lifetime known anyone who smokes weed “every day”. I guess I’ve lived a sheltered life.
go back to your rich and famous……
sure
are you still boinking your sister?
Have you seen his sister? ;0
You actually probably have. Probably many people – especially young people. You just didn’t know it. Many of them are fairly normal and can hold a job, driving a forklift in a warehouse or something. Others are pushed over the line into mental illness – not that weed was necessarily the only factor.
Rodney Dangerfield claimed that he had for at least 40 years. I have known some, but it never lasts very long.
I smoked everyday for 25 years. Supreme top level in my field of Engineering. I started and ran the largest cannabis legalization university org in the world in college – nearly 6,000 members. By far the largest single demographic was PhD scientists across all disciplines with the most being physics, optics and molecular biology.
All of those people are top level professionals. So much for your theory of zero motivation. That is flat out wrong.
Meth really helped me stop smoking pot daily.
Actually it helped me with stopping everything, except you know, snorting meth.
My house was really clean though.
Two legit questions:
1) how old were you when you started smoking weed every day?
2) why did you quit (since it sounds like you did)?
Started smoking everyday at 16. Quit cold turkey at 41 to be clean to have a kid. I would like to smoke again but too busy at the moment and hard to find good sativas at the moment. The key is micro dosing sativa – indica is the couch locker and I stay away from that completely. I built a company during that period and developed tons of leading edge tech. Many patents too.
Cannabis is good. LSD is even better for me. You just have to know how to use it.
And some people are allergic to peanuts.
Not all things are beneficial to all people, and not all things are harmful to all people.
YMMV and all that jazz.
And marijuana is not a drug, it is a plant.
Covid is fake but CHS is real.
You know what’s real? … getting old and dying.
Just so. Even certain strains don’t work for some people, yet others dramatically do.
This would explain why top neurologists and mental health workers and researchers (the type both competent, open minded, and caring) are on the fence. It doesn’t always improve health outcomes, but sometimes it definitely does. Occasionally it can make things worse. Because any given plant has a lot of different stuff in it and they are different just like the varieties in your garden. And your bodies are different, just like the varieties in your garden. And those bodies can have different individual things going right or wrong (just like the plants in your garden). And all these things are always in flux at different rates.
The biggest problem research wise is the perennial chicken and egg argument. There does not exists longitudinal data on patients to say if they became users because something was wrong with their brain or if something is wrong with their brain because they became users. That data simply does not exists to make a determination. Depending upon what a persons biases are, you can imagine which one they are quite certain of (despite not having evidence). This is why I had to make the qualifier about professionals above.
All things in moderation or something like that.
I distill some plants and herbs for aromatic and anti-viral purpose.
Ajuga, for instance, grows a cluster of flowers in the early spring that if gathered and preserved, has use as a topical and/or oral painkiller. Shhhh…. don’t tell. They’ll banish it, you know.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309412254_A_review_of_therapeutic_potential_of_Ajuga_bracteosa_A_critically_endangered_plant_from_Himalaya
If smoking is the causative route, thank goodness folks can benefit from this wonderful plant through other means. And it would be revealing to understand biochemically what is going on rather than just read personal horror stories. Everyone is different, so no surprise that some have allergies.
Haha, they’ve been pushing this for about 2 years, maybe more. This is the new Just Say No narrative.
When I was young and stupid I smoked a lot of weed, sometimes daily. So did my friends. We are all normal citizens now with families, jobs, houses, and thankfully no criminal record. You don’t get hangovers from weed just fat from munchies.
“Don’t smoke pot or you will develop some magical illness” What a crock of shit. While I no longer do it, I know many that embrace it now and grow their own for the therapeutic (arthritis) reasons rather than recreationally.
I agree that the Soros GMO frankenweed bought from a dope store probably contains things you don’t want in your body. Some herb grown out in the sun, in natural soil will not harm you.
I have it on good authority that is harder to do than one might think.
I had a lovely little herb garden a couple years ago in almost full blossom, then it rained for two weeks straight.
It was the year of the goats. Those poor goats inside that little shed fighting with that damn billy goat. I hope those Mexicans from Arkansas killed that ornery billy goat first.
Anyway, my plants (11 plants from 3 seeds… cloning is easy in rabbit manure!) were gorgeous but didn’t make due to lack of sunshine. And, I’m not wanting to build an indoor grow room.
That’s okay… there are other herbs that are just as useful.
Maggie, this is only the third grow I’ve had since I was a teen. Back in those days it was throw out some seeds and viola months later you might get lucky. When I was 16 and took a year of botany in school and buffaloed my parents into believing I was growing tomatoes in my closet. That was fun until the cops showed up for something unrelated and put a temporary end to my horticultural endeavors.
Point being even having experience with that particular herb, its like growing anything, you never really stop learning. Now that it is legal in AZ, 12 plants per household everyone is doing it around here without fear. I built a 10 by 12 foot by ten foot high frame against the south side of a building. the roof is all clear plastic panels and the sides are all redwood lattice. Not a true green house per se but I don’t need electricity for cooling and air circulation. The lattice keeps out the deer, pigs, and Stuckys little friends. The poly panels on the roof keep out the rains.
The only real way to ruin your crop is like you said let it get wet once it begins to flower, or give it to much water. The roots are kind of particular and finicky when they’re young. once they get big it less of a concern. But I have seen gardens worth tens of thousands of dollars ruined by the grow bags sitting on low ground, in standing water for to long, just last month when we got seven inches of rain in a week. But for the most part it is a rather hardy plant. depending on strains and where you try to grow it. They don’t call it weed for nothing.
Try losing 500 ten footers to hooligans with shotguns leaving you zip tied 6 kilometres in the bush.
That is another way to ruin your crop and kids university fund.
I was a former pro, 8 years illegal, 8 years legal and now,.. I am definitely allergic to weed.
If I touch a green bud now my head swells like I snorted a cat ( which I am allergic to as well )
And yes, growing weed is technical, we sprayed more crap on that than I do on my 5 acres of passion fruit, probably the reason people are having bad reactions to it.
Same reason people are gluten intolerant,.. most wheat is sprayed with glyphosate 3 to 4 weeks prior to harvest. It is not the gluten folks,.. it is the glyphosate.
If you spray anything on your weed once it starts budding you will be smoking that. The only thing I use on mine during veg is neem oil and if need be some spinosiad. You don’t know what they spray on the stuff in those giant green houses, just like the “food” in the store. Thats the main reason why I quit smoking.
A few years back I interviewed for a facilities position at a large commercial grow. four large green houses, fully automated ebb and flow tables, watering system, you name it they took me through the whole place. By the time I was done thirty minutes later my head hurt, my clothes reeked, and the bottom of my boots were sticky.
I only grow Sativa dominate strains as the Indica gives me headaches. I see no reason why your medicine should make you sick. And I guess I should say sorry for you loss. that would be truly heartbreaking.
Smoking “Shit” versus the Shot-Shot?
It’s a no brainer!
Humans have been smoking and otherwise using the “shit” for thousands of years. Occurs naturally and has a myriad of practical uses other than for a recreational high or medicinal use. Cancer treatment patients report anecdotally that for many of them it is a God-send.
The experimental, emergency use authorized, genetic modification therapy with near certain magnetic and/or graphene oxide nanoparticle feature injection is a concoction of unknown efficacy; safety or long term effects, although current data suggests it is hardly efficacious; is attributed to tens of thousands of deaths; hundreds of thousands of adverse reaction and God-knows-what the long term repercussions are as no known longitudinal studies have been published.
So the question is why the hate about the pot? Excessive alcohol consumption is a much, much worse societal problem which need not be expounded upon here.
Can we please focus on the gigantic existential problem: the actual and real destruction of freedom and liberty across the world due to the PLandemic?
High fructose corn syrup is the real problem.
End the Fed.
That would stop a world of problems wouldn’t it… Make money real again.
Thank Nature I can live without this plant. I have seen what it does to ppl (young & old) who lost their crop and were without provisions!
When (((GenZ Conservative (born between 1942 and 1965, no doubt) ))) tells me something, I can be reasonably certain the opposite is true.
You described boomers, not gen z.
I think the point is that GenZ is a fraud.
What if GenZ actually studied history… would his passion be more concise and improved?
Real history or ‘gubmint history.
Hooooooooooo Leeeeeee SHIT!! We’re talking about the eeeeeevils of Sweet Mary Jane …. in 2021??? LMFMFAO.
Has this Gen Z klown ever written a decent article?
Grass!!!!!! BAD FOR YOU! Worse than masturbation!!!!
You know what I don’t get? The freaks that were huffing all sorts of chemicals from aerosol cans in the 90s!!!!
Talk about WTF?
Anyway, those were Gen Z huffers, right?
And don’t forget REEFER MADNESS
Do you think the hair on my palms has anything to do with that mastreebation stuff?
I think it’s from all the mask debating.
LMAO, you guys will believe anything.
They forgot the byline:
Sponsored by your friends at Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, J&J, Roche, and Novartis.
Just another single variable problem for the unthinking masses. Mental issues, anti-anxiety drugs, anti-depressants, diet, etc. ? no, nothing else?
Who said it’s a single variable?
I’ve never believed weed was harmless but I also don’t believe it’s dangerous either. Just like alcohol, it should be consumed in moderation. It should be regulated the same way to reduce the effect of black markets on local communities and laws against smoking and driving etc.
Jeez, legalize it and people with no experience and no idea what they’re doing go bonkers smoking all day and wonder why they’re having problems? If you take aspirin all day, you’ll DIE. Smoke dope all day and your body will tell you it’s too damn much… Nausea and mild disorientation are it’s way of telling you EASE UP…. Any other substance would just kill you for being stupid…. Especially at the extreme levels of THC the new strains are at. More is NOT better. Lie down, put a cold compress on your forehead, and in an hour you’ll be fine, IF YOU DON’T LIGHT UP again…. Damn wannabe hippies…. By the way, it’s GREAT for PTSD.. Takes away the nightmares. But, you DO NOT go to bed high, just three or four times a week will keep the THC in your system at a level where you don’t dream at all, and get a good night’s sleep.
I once got nicotine toxicity from chain smoking. I kept lighting up another and another, thinking, “Damn I feel bad, Damn I feel bad…”
LOL they have a medical name for the pot pukes
The strain I always pass on is GG#4. at 33% THC it jacks anxiety way up and THAT is what causes the pukes. I use only high THC strains with minimum 2% CBD to curb that reaction.
I use every day but only once at the end of the day. I have a hard to sleeping without and alcohol was trying to kill me.
I quit booze and went to the pipe and lost 125 lbs…………
Smoking anything can be harmful to the lungs. Thankfully, the pathetic levels of “legalization” have enabled far more study of the wonderful range of cannabinoids in this great plant and their functions within the endocannabinoid system all of us have.
Smoking gives instant feedback so you know if you’ve had too much. Edibles don’t hit right away, and you might have eaten WAY too much… Too late. Besides, I have a quarter-inch of black tar coating my lungs, so covid and anything else DIES trying to burrow through it…. (C’mon, that sh*ts funny, you know it is… )
I believe that is true of respiratory infections. However, what may also be true (if my experience in 2018 is any guide) is that IF something does settle in, it lasts longer & harder to be rid of.
Oh, and there’s the whole lung cancer and inevitable COPD thing, but still … make your lungs an inhospitable place and it stands to reason that bugs have trouble setting up shop there.
Yeah, the last “Doc” I saw back in ’93 said the same thing. He died about 20 years ago. Never missed him. But, my motorcycle mechanic died about 5 years ago, THAT was a real problem…
True, but edibles are labeled with THC quantity so it’s not a total crap shoot. Start small and increase accordingly. Liquid products actually have a dosage guide relative to how high one wants to get.
Other than brief periods of time i’ve smoked the devil weed daily since high school, am currently 54yo.
The only drawback I’ve ever experienced with it was the lack of motivation…although i suspect a lot of that was it being illegal and taboo.
Never been unemployed or homeless, i shower daily, have raised 2 kids and maintain a mortgage.
funny anecdote when i went thru MEPS for the army, the doctor asked me about smoking devil weed, i said yes cause they did a urinalysis and it would be positive so no use lying…so i told him 3-4 times, he seemed shocked by that number…lol…i was thinking like 3 times on the way here today…
honestly the only times its a problem for me is when i want to change jobs.
The only issue I see is when stupid people consume the shit all the time. You have to be a person that can handle it as in fairly motivated strong psyche type. There is no doubt it can dumb you down to an extent with chronic usage. Some folks don’t have much room to dumb down because they cross into the idiot percentile. I remember in my 20s or so doing an ounce a week. That shit that’s out there now at these dispensaries with the THC levels of 30% or so can probably turn a lot of people’s mind to mush smoking an ounce a week. I could smoke a doob on the way in to work then and function perfectly fine and no one could tell. Only time I’d get questioned is when someone would smell it on my clothes.
Who really needs those 10 IQ points, anyway?
Article didn’t mention that Dope clogs the nerve synapses and makes Dopers progressively more stupid, more unable to smell and taste so they use more sugar and salt; more deaf so they play music louder and louder; they increasingly lose motivation, IQ and libido. Dope also causes DNA to crack and users have more children with mutations. But I don’t want to discourage Useless Idiots from smoking Dope and taking The Shot, but do want to inform Conservatives.
Looks like a couple people are a little defensive.
I doubt the truth of the statement.
Not taking The Shot but will continue smoking dope thank you.
I’ll assume the bad grammar was an intentional slight to make a point to us dopers and not the result of a drug addled mind.
“more unable to smell and taste so they use more sugar and salt; more deaf so they play music louder and louder;”
…one wonders how much of this could simply be racked up to getting more older…
“Dope also causes DNA to crack and users have more children with mutations.” taken from this link…had to smoke a bong to read it…basically cancer…and if you’ve ever lived in california you know everything causes cancer.
follow the science as they say and whatever the fuck this says…
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0027510716300574?via%3Dihub
Abstract
The recent demonstration that massive scale chromosomal shattering or pulverization can occur abruptly due to errors induced by interference with the microtubule machinery of the mitotic spindle followed by haphazard chromosomal annealing, together with sophisticated insights from epigenetics, provide profound mechanistic insights into some of the most perplexing classical observations of addiction medicine, including cancerogenesis, the younger and aggressive onset of addiction-related carcinogenesis, the heritability of addictive neurocircuitry and cancers, and foetal malformations. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and other addictive agents have been shown to inhibit tubulin polymerization which perturbs the formation and function of the microtubules of the mitotic spindle. This disruption of the mitotic machinery perturbs proper chromosomal segregation during anaphase and causes micronucleus formation which is the primary locus and cause of the chromosomal pulverization of chromothripsis and downstream genotoxic events including oncogene induction and tumour suppressor silencing. Moreover the complementation of multiple positive cannabis-cancer epidemiological studies, and replicated dose-response relationships with established mechanisms fulfils causal criteria. This information is also consistent with data showing acceleration of the aging process by drugs of addiction including alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, stimulants and opioids. THC shows a non-linear sigmoidal dose-response relationship in multiple pertinent in vitro and preclinical genotoxicity assays, and in this respect is similar to the serious major human mutagen thalidomide. Rising community exposure, tissue storage of cannabinoids, and increasingly potent phytocannabinoid sources, suggests that the threshold mutagenic dose for cancerogenesis will increasingly be crossed beyond the developing world, and raise transgenerational transmission of teratogenicity as an increasing concern.
Indica enhances depression, suppresses dreams – good if you have night terrors, but not a daily driver
Sativa fights depression, enhances dreams – good for most folks, but…moderation
As Franklin said, “Neither eat nor drink to temerity!”
CBC creme REALLY works. Especially the full strength stuff. Seriously if you have arthritis etc. it’s a crime to hold this back. I couldn’t believe it.
In Montana it seems obvious to me some is buying up all the little startups. Pharmaceutical companies is my bet.
People who smoked it aren’t afraid of it. However it can make you stupid and ——-especially——depressed and paranoid. Not as bad as alcohol though.
I smoked everyday for 25 years. No issues only extreme benefits.
This new illness is from the pesticides many commercial growers are using. If those users grew their own clean cannabis or got it from a small pesticide free grower they would not have any illness. It’s the pesticides not the herb.
same advice I give people in regards to food- what you grow on your own property is always better for you. Your body acclimates to more than temperature, but to place. There is a sort of simpatico that develops between those things that are raised on the same soil and in the same conditions that suit one another.
At least that’s my experience.
I think you’re full of shit.
Not about the -cides, but about using it regularly and not being a fucking retard. I had friends who smoked and who I liked, but all of them were significantly more intelligent and present when they abstained.
For those old enough to remember, there was a time when you could “smoke yourself straight” and no longer be high, just alert and energetic and highly functioning. People who get lazy on refer are often lazy already, instead of – take a toke and let’s get busy working. But we all have different physiologies to take into consideration, of course, which goes for ingesting any type of food or drink or medicine.
I’d like to see these factors taken into consideration when doing any study: government refer is GMO; while growing, it is heavily sprayed with who knows what; it is sugar-cured, which gives the sickening sweet smell instead of the normal smell of leaves, or leaves burning, and sugar-curing increases the risk of cancer; the hormones of the plant have been changed to make it seedless, and that in turn affects our hormones; the leaves have the healing energy in them, but gov. refer has the leaves chopped off so that you receive stems with seed coats and hair but barely any leaf; and finally, if you have been to a dispensary, there is a label on your product that tells you what has been added to the herb, and it’s a long, unpronounceable list.
Regular herb is nearly indestructible, and you don’t have to handle it carefully so that the “high” doesn’t fall off of your product. These are several reasons why one may have a negative reaction to an otherwise superb healing plant. These modifications of the plant would need to be taken into consideration in any serious research on the subject.