Well, his ethnicity can’t be erased. But I agree with you, that spiritually he is not — that’s why I said “born a jew” and “birth tribe”. If you truly follow Jesus, then you are One with him in the Spirit, no? That transcends all racial and ethnic divisions, and is the root of true peace. It also demolishes any claim to “chosen-ness” on the part of jews, which is probably one of the main things why hate Jesus. I am no bible scholar, that is my just my take…
Ethnically they are Hebrew. Religiously, they adhere to Rabbinical Judaism which is a biblical heresy. Judaism is not possible without the Temple. They are fake jews.
He preaches on the street in Silverthorne Colorado.
I have spoken to him several times.
He is a serious person.
MrLiberty
December 8, 2021 8:25 am
All religions have esoteric and exoteric teachings (more hidden and more public). Those who study the esoteric teachings tend to actually get it and are generally the more peaceful and happy followers of the religion. Those who study and extol the exoteric tend to like to use these teachings to justify all manner of evil and violence.
Read the Gnostics.
And not the bible Gnostics.
Eye opening.
Yahsure
December 8, 2021 8:41 am
You would have to be stupid to think all the Muslims surrounding you will make nice all of a sudden.
They want you dead. From what I’ve read on the internet ignorant people all over the world hate Jews. thankfully they are a small percentage of the population.
RevTKS
December 8, 2021 8:48 am
So, to be ‘good’ they have to give up their country? The one destroyed, and then re-born? All of which was predicted by God in the Bible?
For a people to lose their homeland for over 1900 years and return (as prophesied in the bible) shows the love God has for his people and his mighty power.
Now, all you folks who believe you are going to heaven and for all those who sure hope to go (you are not) let me ask you a question. The bible says there are 12 gates made as entrances to heaven. What is written on the gates? Whoever said the names of the 12 tribes of Israel got the question correct. The Jews are God’s people.
I will grant you many are Jews by birth only and these secular Jews are causing many of the problems we are curently facing. The Democrats seem to hate Jews in America but they vote for the Democrats. Another of lifes conumdrums.
The ((Jews)) hated Jesus. God’s people my fucking ass, fuck you. Jesus loves everyone. Even you for some reason. Not a conumdrum at all, they think they are chosen, but fuck no they are not. Stop American funding of Israel, with my fucking taxpayer money. Fend for yourselves. The “chosen” ones have taken over our country and ruined it. They are marxists and should be treated as such. Fuck them.
If Israel is their country, then they should give up any pretense to loyalty to another country.
RevTKS
December 8, 2021 8:50 am
“I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” — God, Genesis 12:3, KJV.
That’s a prophecy that has been used by Jews to extort money and resources from the Goyim for thousands of years.
Also, it’s a prophecy that rarely, if ever, actually gets fulfilled. Otherwise, the USA (which has given untold BILLIONS to Israel) would be the most Blessed nation on earth. Well …. are we?
You would have been on of the people who spit in Jesuses face while he was on the cross. Remember,the name on the gates of the New Jerusalem have the names of the 12 tribes of Israel on them and the Jews will populate the new earth. If you don’t like that take it up with God. Maybe he made a mistake and you can change his mind. I’ll bet on God!
You have no answer but acrid speech. You know absolutely NO THING about the bible. As a matter of fact you can’t even come up with a bible verse taken completely out of context to back up your point. I would bet you can’t find the book of Hezekiah in the bible
Yes, and that blessing came through Jesus, who came to call the lost sheep of Israel, many of whom heard his call. To those who rejected him he said: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate! (Mt 23:38)
And when Jesus was on trial, the unfaithful Jews told Pilate: “His blood be upon us, and on our children.” (Mt 27:25)
God’s blessing is not on the Jews by blood, but on those who are “children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” Paul continues: “For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew not Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs accprding to the promise.” (Galatians 3:26-29)
I wonder how long people needed an excuse to get out from under the thumb of Jewish law and prophesy? That should have ended with the Jesus Christ, but for Paul. Instead it was imported as a poisonous artifact to our people, but that is how I am a heretic.
But I do not think that the Jews and the people of the OT are the same people all the way through by either ethnicity or religion.
You are correct they are not on both counts. Here is one of the tricks used by the Kenite/Edomite Paleo Amschellites to muddy the waters and insinuate themselves into the country of Judah and nation of Judeans.
What about the 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel? Revelation 7:5 These Jews are sent to preach the gospel during the tribulation. To qualify for these 144,000 they must be pure blood Jews, the offspring of Abraham. There goes that theory.
The Khazars adopted Judaism and are not blood Jews even though many would claim today to be Jews. Many live in Europe today and it is possible I am among their ancestors as I have German heritage.
Stucky’s response to your zio-talkingpoint is 100% correct, and I’m glad to see him back posing provocative questions.
Setting aside questions about the KJV being a true translation, or even the fact the bible itself has been tampered with many times over its entire history, then how do you reach the conclusion represented by your statement? To wit: if you read this passage at face value, then the descendants of Abram are all blessed – that would include Arabs/Muslims through Ishmael – not just the “Jews” (however they may be defined currently), or the Christians that rejected the Pharisees and came under a “new covenant”.
To get where you want to go, you have to follow the “interpretation” (I guess derived from subsequent revelation through prophets) that this passage somehow only applies to “Jews” – the putative descendants of Judah. Then you also have to explain how the “blessing of authority” that Jacob gave to Judah supersedes or outranks the birthright that he (Jacob) passed to Joseph’s sons (Gen 48:5-20, 1 Chr 5:1-2), and not to Judah – patriarch of the Judahites, who lived in the Kingdom of Judea, where their Torah-based religion (originally shared with the other Israelite tribes) eventually got highjacked and bastardized by the Pharisees. You know, the group that Jesus stridently opposed.
After the Pharisees murdered Jesus – destroying the “old covenant”, no? (if you believe they were/are “chosen”) – and were later destroyed by the Romans, a remnant of Pharisees scattered and eventually codified all of their “law” and “oral traditions” into the Talmud, and then built it out further over the subsequent centuries with the various rabbinic “commentaries”. Phariseeism = Rabbinic Talmudism = contemporary Judaism
Yeah that’s pretty good — I watched it and several follow-on episodes a few weeks ago when someone here posted them. Parts of it dovetail pretty well with some of the obscured identity elements of the “Phonecian Navy” hypothesis of Miles Mathis.
Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation forever. God promised here that his word would be preserved to EVERY GENERATION FOREVER! The King James Bible is the word of God to English speaking people’s for 400+ years. God guaranteed us HE would preserve his word, man is not needed in this promise.
Wow! Galatians has 3 gospels? Galatians 1:6-9. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ onto ANOTHER gospel. 7: which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would PERVERT the gospel of CHRIST.. 8: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be ACCURSED. 9: As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be ACCURSED. To be accursed means sent to Hell. More than one gospel would be “another”.
The gospel is plain and simple: I Corinthians 15:3. 4. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
Don’t get angry. I hear you. There is one gospel that saves today and you’ve got it right in 1 Cor 15:1-4. That does not mean God had other good news for other people at other times. For example, the three gospels in Galatians:
Galatians 2:7 KJV
[7] But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
That’s two right there. The circumcision are very different from the un circumcision, yes? Each had a gospel. Peter in charge of one, Paul in charge of the other. The KJB is the only Bible that maintains this clearly by the way.
The gospel of the circumcision is Kingdom related. It’s been promised since the beginning of the world. The gospel of grace is in effect today as the kingdom stopped being “at hand” 2,000 years ago! Paul’s gospel was kept secret since before the world began!
Romans 16:25-27 KJB… “Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.”
Galatians 3:8 KJB… “And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
And there is Abraham’s gospel. NOT that Christ died for his sin and was raised again, BUT that in him would all the world be blessed! Amazing, no? That makes three in the book of Galatians.
Is it then any wonder why Paul had to make such a distinction as you point out? That one would be cursed to preach another at the wrong time?
You begin to see what Paul was up against? What the world still grapples with? Which gospel should today be preached? Kingdom, grace, works… which one?
Hoping questions begin to form. Answers are not far.
The Great Balbino always slanders or defames a person before making an accusation. Very Christ like.
4 downvoters are God haters because why?
Stucky questions a misused, misquoted and mistranslated verse and he’s a God hater? Why again? Did you ask any of those five if they hated God or why they might have downvoted the reply?
Thanks Anon, you are correct — I don’t hate God. In fact, I am in awe of the Creator of all things and say a prayer of gratitude everyday. I simply seek truth, and am willing to consider alternatives to the extremely naive position of believing that the bible as written has not been tampered with at all.
Logic and empirical evidence (see islam) both dictate that religions throughout history have been a supreme tool for social control and manipulation and, as such, the bible as the #1 best-seller of all time would be ripe for “creative revisions”. Scholars have proven that it was not written chronologically (e.g. genesis was written after dueteronomy), that some books have multiple authors (e.g. Isaiah), and the authorship of many books is disputed (e.g. some of Paul’s letters) and mis-attributed and/or unknown (e.g. Ecclesiastes, revelations). Moreover, what has been excised that we don’t (and won’t ever) know about?
There’s also the story of the priests and/or handlers that tell the King (I forget which one) that they “found” a copy of the the scriptures (torah) in the remains of the temple sometime after the return from babylon. More likely it was pre-written in babylon, sort of like how the patriot act was all ready to go right after 9/11…
I certainly do not have all the answers, but I like to seek for them. The Great Balbino never refuted anything I said there, he just slandered me and a few others. But that’s OK, I don’t hold it against him. It is hard to let go of deeply ingrained beliefs, things we have been programed with by our parents, elders/authorities, and society in general. But seeking truth demands that one be unafraid to question what you think you know, while informing yourself by considering other perspectives.
“But seeking truth demands that one be unafraid to question what you think you know, while informing yourself by considering other perspectives.”
Right you are.
To love truth I had to learn not to keep the crow in my mouth long enough for the feathers to lose their natural oils. I finally learned how to keep it off my plate.
The graph put up by Fritz is a good example of Babylonian tampering.
People who revile the truth are the enemies of God. Philippians 3:18. I back up my comments with the word of God. Any problem with my comment, take it up with the original author, God himself.
Don’t get too uptight about names & aspersions cast around.
RevTKS
December 8, 2021 8:56 am
Zi·on·ism
/ˈzīəˌnizəm/
Noun
a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.
How terrible of them, to want their country back. Also, they are the only nation in history to have accomplished this feat by the grace of God. In their 1967 years of diaspora they retained their national identity and culture. America can’t even keep it’s shit together for 250 years.
Zionists aren’t Jews, so how can they get back a country which was never theirs? And let’s leave God out of this, as He has nothing to do with these people.
Zionism goes back a lot farther than 1897. Try about 16 centuries earlier and you’re in the ballpark. The Zionists were kicked out of the actual Israel because they were trying to introduce Kaballah and pagan worship into Judaism, and swore revenge on the Israelites for doing so. These people don’t want to rebuild Israel, they’re tearing it all apart (and the true Hebrews) and building a desecrated Satanic temple in Jerusalem from which they plan to rule over mankind.
If these are the people you’re defending you are truly lost. And if what those rabbis are saying wasn’t the truth it would be taught along with all the other Zionist lies in grade school, just like the Hologram… er, Holodomor… oh sorry, that one actually happened… the Holo¢o$t.
A guy on here, you, Arch Phe, or something recommended a book by Robert Sephur 1666 Redemption Through Sin . It illustrated the Zionist plans and implementation in a way that is believable
RevTKS-Telling the truth makes people upset. And they complain about the government not telling the truth.
Stucky
Author
December 8, 2021 9:03 am
Is that guy something known as a “self loathing Jew”? Is he a traitor? Or …. is he correct that a secular state of Israel is an abomination to G-d?
I believe the answer can be found in who hates this guy, and who loves him. Soooo …..
Who hates this guy?
— Probably every person in Israel who does not belong to this guy’s sect.
— Most other Jews in the world.
— Mooslims. Because they hate everyone.
— Christians. Yes, because without Israel becoming a nation pretty much ALL the prophecies concerning End Times come to naught (at least for Dispensationalists.)
. Who loves this guy?
— AOC and her merry band of Jew haters all over the world.
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Pretty revealing, eh? Let the Down Vote Kracken loose!!
But, how about “loathe”? Again, I’m talking about those Christians who adhere to Dispensations … because under that doctrine, Israel MUST be a nation in order for the Second Coming to take place.
If that was my theological belief I would certainly, at a minimum, loathe this feller.
I’m not a ‘dispensationalist’ – I left organized Xianity once I read the Book for myself. However, it is plain to see that Israel is the geographical center of prophecy. God told us Israel would be born again (Can a nation be born in a day?). So Zionism is just the desire for Israel to exist again and remain existing. The conversion of Israel to recognizing Yashua as their Messiah is a coming step. Those who read prophecy look forward to the day the Israelites declare, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.”
God loves sinners. He loved us all while we were yet sinners. The Jews and the Xtians love to call each other sinners and tell each other they are going to hell. God is about reconciliation and bringing the sinners back into the fold. So, denigrating Jews or Xtians is just falling into another of the traps laid for us.
God, by necessity, must hate sinners and sin. He hates both enough to die for each. How’s that for divine love! The offer will not last forever however…
Romans 5:8 KJB… “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
“Again, I’m talking about those Christians who adhere to Dispensations … because under that doctrine, Israel MUST be a nation in order for the Second Coming to take place.”
Stucky, I am a mid-Acts dispensationalist. Under that doctrine I understand that today’s Israel is counterfeit. I do not believe that Israel must be a nation for the second coming to take place. I believe that the second coming will take place to create the REAL nation Israel of God. That nation that was supposed to be the channel of blessing from God to the world.
As for this particular Jew: he’s spot on about the counterfeit nation. He’s dead wrong in that he’s waiting for the counterfeit messiah whom he thinks will make counterfeit Israel right. He will do just the opposite.
I don’t hate or loathe him. I feel sorry for him and would love the opportunity to talk scripture with him.
Zechariah 12:2-3
King James Version
2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Luke 1
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Jeremiah 3:17
At that time Jerusalem shall be called the throne of the Lord, and all nations shall gather to it, to the presence of the Lord in Jerusalem, and they shall no more stubbornly follow their own evil heart.
In the end it will happen exactly as it is written.
Correct, with collusion from many;
Balfour Declaration, Rothschild funding and promotion of Hitler’s rise to top of nazi party, mass deportation of Jews from Europe, (they didn’t want to leave Europe, where were they going to send them all? hint-Israel) and the topper- The “star of David” is actually the family crest of the Rothschild family, dating back centuries (it’s on the flag).
The Rothschilds are secular Jews and don’t care about anything but money and power. The only thing they done for Israel is build the Kenesset , a show token of their Jewishness.
Congratulations! That is the most absurd statement on the whole internet.
monger
December 8, 2021 10:33 am
It is weird how the “Jewish” State is waging war on it’s own with the vaccine. They don’t have that big a pop so why ? Must be sataniclly controlled now,which makes some sense going by revelation and the anti christ sitting in the temple proclaiming himself god.
This doesn’t even rate a “Nice Try Stucky” and your Reverand TikTok is pitiful. At least your “Why did Mom wait till now to tell me we’re Jewish” had possibilities. Did Jussie Smollet offer you an easy payment plan to produce this for you?
My mom never said we were Jewish. She said there’s a POSSIBILITY of Jewish blood in our family tree.
Jesse Smollet can go suck some faggot DDD.
I never listened at length to a guy like that. I never realized how strongly that sect of Jews is against the Zion state. I thought it was interesting, and that a few others would also. No other agenda than that.
Tis Interesting why a Hassidic Jew would have this opinion
Ken31
December 8, 2021 12:56 pm
How many academics need to deconstruct that lie? Or maybe the problem is your average joe does not read those arguments. Unz Review has posted several of them over the last year or 2.
Colorado Artist
December 8, 2021 11:56 pm
Jesus was was blunt.
Be humble.
Be sympathetic.
And repent.
Sounds easy until you try live it every day.
Stucky
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December 9, 2021 3:53 pm
I didn’t want to make this a separate post — “Thank G-D!”, said the people — but, I feel it is imperitive to now give an example of a bad Joo, a very VERY Bad Joo.
That would be this Joofuk, Defense Minister Benny Gantz
During their meetings this week in Washington with senior Biden administration officials he called for the USA!USA!USA! to carry out a military strike on Iranian targets!
You will get a “Blessed Be!” from me…
No. Such. Thing.
I disagree — search out Brother Nathaniel, born a jew but became a Orthodox Christian monk. He’s great and tells it like it is about his birth tribe.
So is he still a Jew? I would say not. Unz and Breitbart were both raised by non-Jews, but then Breitbart ended up making a Faustian pact with Israel.
Well, his ethnicity can’t be erased. But I agree with you, that spiritually he is not — that’s why I said “born a jew” and “birth tribe”. If you truly follow Jesus, then you are One with him in the Spirit, no? That transcends all racial and ethnic divisions, and is the root of true peace. It also demolishes any claim to “chosen-ness” on the part of jews, which is probably one of the main things why hate Jesus. I am no bible scholar, that is my just my take…
Ethnically they are Hebrew. Religiously, they adhere to Rabbinical Judaism which is a biblical heresy. Judaism is not possible without the Temple. They are fake jews.
He preaches on the street in Silverthorne Colorado.
I have spoken to him several times.
He is a serious person.
All religions have esoteric and exoteric teachings (more hidden and more public). Those who study the esoteric teachings tend to actually get it and are generally the more peaceful and happy followers of the religion. Those who study and extol the exoteric tend to like to use these teachings to justify all manner of evil and violence.
Read the Gnostics.
And not the bible Gnostics.
Eye opening.
You would have to be stupid to think all the Muslims surrounding you will make nice all of a sudden.
They want you dead. From what I’ve read on the internet ignorant people all over the world hate Jews. thankfully they are a small percentage of the population.
So, to be ‘good’ they have to give up their country? The one destroyed, and then re-born? All of which was predicted by God in the Bible?
Guess I’m confused by the ‘good’ part.
For a people to lose their homeland for over 1900 years and return (as prophesied in the bible) shows the love God has for his people and his mighty power.
Now, all you folks who believe you are going to heaven and for all those who sure hope to go (you are not) let me ask you a question. The bible says there are 12 gates made as entrances to heaven. What is written on the gates? Whoever said the names of the 12 tribes of Israel got the question correct. The Jews are God’s people.
I will grant you many are Jews by birth only and these secular Jews are causing many of the problems we are curently facing. The Democrats seem to hate Jews in America but they vote for the Democrats. Another of lifes conumdrums.
The ((Jews)) hated Jesus. God’s people my fucking ass, fuck you. Jesus loves everyone. Even you for some reason. Not a conumdrum at all, they think they are chosen, but fuck no they are not. Stop American funding of Israel, with my fucking taxpayer money. Fend for yourselves. The “chosen” ones have taken over our country and ruined it. They are marxists and should be treated as such. Fuck them.
Yup, there are 12 Jewish names written on those 12 Jewish gates of that great Jewish city! No mistaking that.
If Israel is their country, then they should give up any pretense to loyalty to another country.
“I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” — God, Genesis 12:3, KJV.
That’s a prophecy that has been used by Jews to extort money and resources from the Goyim for thousands of years.
Also, it’s a prophecy that rarely, if ever, actually gets fulfilled. Otherwise, the USA (which has given untold BILLIONS to Israel) would be the most Blessed nation on earth. Well …. are we?
I see you do not believe God and his word, the bible.
I don’t???
Well, dahum, fuck a duck! Thanks for letting me know.
You would have been on of the people who spit in Jesuses face while he was on the cross. Remember,the name on the gates of the New Jerusalem have the names of the 12 tribes of Israel on them and the Jews will populate the new earth. If you don’t like that take it up with God. Maybe he made a mistake and you can change his mind. I’ll bet on God!
STFU zio-troll
“ Also, it’s a prophecy that rarely, if ever, actually gets fulfilled. ”
That’s because it’s been “out of play” for 2,000 years.
3, 2, 1, cue the House Heretic.
You and the Great Balbino misinforming the uninformed.
From anonymity he protests… Demonstrate my misunderstanding. Scripture please.
Amazing just how much religion despises Gods Grace and rages against it.
You would still not give up your sorceries.
You have no answer but acrid speech. You know absolutely NO THING about the bible. As a matter of fact you can’t even come up with a bible verse taken completely out of context to back up your point. I would bet you can’t find the book of Hezekiah in the bible
Examples… I’ll be patiently waiting, coward.
Explain my mistake with bible verses instead of your secular drivel.
Yes, and that blessing came through Jesus, who came to call the lost sheep of Israel, many of whom heard his call. To those who rejected him he said: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate! (Mt 23:38)
And when Jesus was on trial, the unfaithful Jews told Pilate: “His blood be upon us, and on our children.” (Mt 27:25)
God’s blessing is not on the Jews by blood, but on those who are “children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” Paul continues: “For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew not Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs accprding to the promise.” (Galatians 3:26-29)
I wonder how long people needed an excuse to get out from under the thumb of Jewish law and prophesy? That should have ended with the Jesus Christ, but for Paul. Instead it was imported as a poisonous artifact to our people, but that is how I am a heretic.
But I do not think that the Jews and the people of the OT are the same people all the way through by either ethnicity or religion.
You are correct they are not on both counts. Here is one of the tricks used by the Kenite/Edomite Paleo Amschellites to muddy the waters and insinuate themselves into the country of Judah and nation of Judeans.
A simple graph showing how the theft of 1,500 years of geneology changes things.
https://emahiser.christogenea.org/patriarchal-chronology
What about the 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel? Revelation 7:5 These Jews are sent to preach the gospel during the tribulation. To qualify for these 144,000 they must be pure blood Jews, the offspring of Abraham. There goes that theory.
The Khazars adopted Judaism and are not blood Jews even though many would claim today to be Jews. Many live in Europe today and it is possible I am among their ancestors as I have German heritage.
Well said!
Stucky’s response to your zio-talkingpoint is 100% correct, and I’m glad to see him back posing provocative questions.
Setting aside questions about the KJV being a true translation, or even the fact the bible itself has been tampered with many times over its entire history, then how do you reach the conclusion represented by your statement? To wit: if you read this passage at face value, then the descendants of Abram are all blessed – that would include Arabs/Muslims through Ishmael – not just the “Jews” (however they may be defined currently), or the Christians that rejected the Pharisees and came under a “new covenant”.
To get where you want to go, you have to follow the “interpretation” (I guess derived from subsequent revelation through prophets) that this passage somehow only applies to “Jews” – the putative descendants of Judah. Then you also have to explain how the “blessing of authority” that Jacob gave to Judah supersedes or outranks the birthright that he (Jacob) passed to Joseph’s sons (Gen 48:5-20, 1 Chr 5:1-2), and not to Judah – patriarch of the Judahites, who lived in the Kingdom of Judea, where their Torah-based religion (originally shared with the other Israelite tribes) eventually got highjacked and bastardized by the Pharisees. You know, the group that Jesus stridently opposed.
After the Pharisees murdered Jesus – destroying the “old covenant”, no? (if you believe they were/are “chosen”) – and were later destroyed by the Romans, a remnant of Pharisees scattered and eventually codified all of their “law” and “oral traditions” into the Talmud, and then built it out further over the subsequent centuries with the various rabbinic “commentaries”. Phariseeism = Rabbinic Talmudism = contemporary Judaism
11 minutes of Juwe humor to confirm what you say.
https://www.brighteon.com/5a8cea38-4ded-4d8b-b2fd-f04ccfd06a12
Yeah that’s pretty good — I watched it and several follow-on episodes a few weeks ago when someone here posted them. Parts of it dovetail pretty well with some of the obscured identity elements of the “Phonecian Navy” hypothesis of Miles Mathis.
Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation forever. God promised here that his word would be preserved to EVERY GENERATION FOREVER! The King James Bible is the word of God to English speaking people’s for 400+ years. God guaranteed us HE would preserve his word, man is not needed in this promise.
4 God haters down voted you. Repent and believe the gospel and be saved! This man told you the TRUTH!
Which gospel? Seriously. There are three named in the book of Galatians. More elsewhere.
Wow! Galatians has 3 gospels? Galatians 1:6-9. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ onto ANOTHER gospel. 7: which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would PERVERT the gospel of CHRIST.. 8: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be ACCURSED. 9: As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be ACCURSED. To be accursed means sent to Hell. More than one gospel would be “another”.
The gospel is plain and simple: I Corinthians 15:3. 4. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
Don’t get angry. I hear you. There is one gospel that saves today and you’ve got it right in 1 Cor 15:1-4. That does not mean God had other good news for other people at other times. For example, the three gospels in Galatians:
Galatians 2:7 KJV
[7] But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
That’s two right there. The circumcision are very different from the un circumcision, yes? Each had a gospel. Peter in charge of one, Paul in charge of the other. The KJB is the only Bible that maintains this clearly by the way.
The gospel of the circumcision is Kingdom related. It’s been promised since the beginning of the world. The gospel of grace is in effect today as the kingdom stopped being “at hand” 2,000 years ago! Paul’s gospel was kept secret since before the world began!
Romans 16:25-27 KJB… “Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.”
Galatians 3:8 KJB… “And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
And there is Abraham’s gospel. NOT that Christ died for his sin and was raised again, BUT that in him would all the world be blessed! Amazing, no? That makes three in the book of Galatians.
Is it then any wonder why Paul had to make such a distinction as you point out? That one would be cursed to preach another at the wrong time?
You begin to see what Paul was up against? What the world still grapples with? Which gospel should today be preached? Kingdom, grace, works… which one?
Hoping questions begin to form. Answers are not far.
The Great Balbino always slanders or defames a person before making an accusation. Very Christ like.
4 downvoters are God haters because why?
Stucky questions a misused, misquoted and mistranslated verse and he’s a God hater? Why again? Did you ask any of those five if they hated God or why they might have downvoted the reply?
Thanks Anon, you are correct — I don’t hate God. In fact, I am in awe of the Creator of all things and say a prayer of gratitude everyday. I simply seek truth, and am willing to consider alternatives to the extremely naive position of believing that the bible as written has not been tampered with at all.
Logic and empirical evidence (see islam) both dictate that religions throughout history have been a supreme tool for social control and manipulation and, as such, the bible as the #1 best-seller of all time would be ripe for “creative revisions”. Scholars have proven that it was not written chronologically (e.g. genesis was written after dueteronomy), that some books have multiple authors (e.g. Isaiah), and the authorship of many books is disputed (e.g. some of Paul’s letters) and mis-attributed and/or unknown (e.g. Ecclesiastes, revelations). Moreover, what has been excised that we don’t (and won’t ever) know about?
There’s also the story of the priests and/or handlers that tell the King (I forget which one) that they “found” a copy of the the scriptures (torah) in the remains of the temple sometime after the return from babylon. More likely it was pre-written in babylon, sort of like how the patriot act was all ready to go right after 9/11…
I certainly do not have all the answers, but I like to seek for them. The Great Balbino never refuted anything I said there, he just slandered me and a few others. But that’s OK, I don’t hold it against him. It is hard to let go of deeply ingrained beliefs, things we have been programed with by our parents, elders/authorities, and society in general. But seeking truth demands that one be unafraid to question what you think you know, while informing yourself by considering other perspectives.
“But seeking truth demands that one be unafraid to question what you think you know, while informing yourself by considering other perspectives.”
Right you are.
To love truth I had to learn not to keep the crow in my mouth long enough for the feathers to lose their natural oils. I finally learned how to keep it off my plate.
The graph put up by Fritz is a good example of Babylonian tampering.
“…religions throughout history have been a supreme tool for social control and manipulation…”
I’m with you 100%. Our difference; I realize that in Bible Christianity alone is complete freedom from such.
Galatians 5:1 KJB… “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.”
Paul is of course talking about religious bondage.
People who revile the truth are the enemies of God. Philippians 3:18. I back up my comments with the word of God. Any problem with my comment, take it up with the original author, God himself.
Don’t get too uptight about names & aspersions cast around.
Zi·on·ism
/ˈzīəˌnizəm/
Noun
a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.
How terrible of them, to want their country back. Also, they are the only nation in history to have accomplished this feat by the grace of God. In their 1967 years of diaspora they retained their national identity and culture. America can’t even keep it’s shit together for 250 years.
Zionists aren’t Jews, so how can they get back a country which was never theirs? And let’s leave God out of this, as He has nothing to do with these people.
Zionism goes back a lot farther than 1897. Try about 16 centuries earlier and you’re in the ballpark. The Zionists were kicked out of the actual Israel because they were trying to introduce Kaballah and pagan worship into Judaism, and swore revenge on the Israelites for doing so. These people don’t want to rebuild Israel, they’re tearing it all apart (and the true Hebrews) and building a desecrated Satanic temple in Jerusalem from which they plan to rule over mankind.
If these are the people you’re defending you are truly lost. And if what those rabbis are saying wasn’t the truth it would be taught along with all the other Zionist lies in grade school, just like the Hologram… er, Holodomor… oh sorry, that one actually happened… the Holo¢o$t.
Stop calling Zionists Jews. They’re anything but.
Wow!
4 God haters down voted you for telling the truth. Keep it up!
A guy on here, you, Arch Phe, or something recommended a book by Robert Sephur 1666 Redemption Through Sin . It illustrated the Zionist plans and implementation in a way that is believable
RevTKS-Telling the truth makes people upset. And they complain about the government not telling the truth.
Is that guy something known as a “self loathing Jew”? Is he a traitor? Or …. is he correct that a secular state of Israel is an abomination to G-d?
I believe the answer can be found in who hates this guy, and who loves him. Soooo …..
Who hates this guy?
— Probably every person in Israel who does not belong to this guy’s sect.
— Most other Jews in the world.
— Mooslims. Because they hate everyone.
— Christians. Yes, because without Israel becoming a nation pretty much ALL the prophecies concerning End Times come to naught (at least for Dispensationalists.)
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Who loves this guy?
— AOC and her merry band of Jew haters all over the world.
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Pretty revealing, eh? Let the Down Vote Kracken loose!!
A total mis-characterization of Christians. True Christians would NOT hate this gentleman.
OK, maybe “hate” is too strong a word.
But, how about “loathe”? Again, I’m talking about those Christians who adhere to Dispensations … because under that doctrine, Israel MUST be a nation in order for the Second Coming to take place.
If that was my theological belief I would certainly, at a minimum, loathe this feller.
I’m not a ‘dispensationalist’ – I left organized Xianity once I read the Book for myself. However, it is plain to see that Israel is the geographical center of prophecy. God told us Israel would be born again (Can a nation be born in a day?). So Zionism is just the desire for Israel to exist again and remain existing. The conversion of Israel to recognizing Yashua as their Messiah is a coming step. Those who read prophecy look forward to the day the Israelites declare, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.”
God loves sinners. He loved us all while we were yet sinners. The Jews and the Xtians love to call each other sinners and tell each other they are going to hell. God is about reconciliation and bringing the sinners back into the fold. So, denigrating Jews or Xtians is just falling into another of the traps laid for us.
God, by necessity, must hate sinners and sin. He hates both enough to die for each. How’s that for divine love! The offer will not last forever however…
Romans 5:8 KJB… “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
Thank you Father! I’d have made it no other way!
“Again, I’m talking about those Christians who adhere to Dispensations … because under that doctrine, Israel MUST be a nation in order for the Second Coming to take place.”
Stucky, I am a mid-Acts dispensationalist. Under that doctrine I understand that today’s Israel is counterfeit. I do not believe that Israel must be a nation for the second coming to take place. I believe that the second coming will take place to create the REAL nation Israel of God. That nation that was supposed to be the channel of blessing from God to the world.
As for this particular Jew: he’s spot on about the counterfeit nation. He’s dead wrong in that he’s waiting for the counterfeit messiah whom he thinks will make counterfeit Israel right. He will do just the opposite.
I don’t hate or loathe him. I feel sorry for him and would love the opportunity to talk scripture with him.
Secular Israel will be converted. The other prophecies say this. They will mourn for the one they pierced.
So, secular Israel is not the goal, it is a step towards the goal.
There is a lot of uneducated blather in these comments from those who know a lot that just isn’t so. Dangerous folks.
God speaking;
Zechariah 12:2-3
King James Version
2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Luke 1
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Jeremiah 3:17
At that time Jerusalem shall be called the throne of the Lord, and all nations shall gather to it, to the presence of the Lord in Jerusalem, and they shall no more stubbornly follow their own evil heart.
In the end it will happen exactly as it is written.
God verses to show what the truth is! Thanks
(at least for Dispensationalists.)
Not at all.
This is the dispensation of grace. PROVE ME WRONG! With scripture! Not your opinion.
You’re totally right! We exist within the dispensation of grace. Not sure why you directed that at me.
I’m sure you are not aware of all the implications this entails however. Been trying to show you some.
The State of Israel is a Rothschild project.
Correct, with collusion from many;
Balfour Declaration, Rothschild funding and promotion of Hitler’s rise to top of nazi party, mass deportation of Jews from Europe, (they didn’t want to leave Europe, where were they going to send them all? hint-Israel) and the topper- The “star of David” is actually the family crest of the Rothschild family, dating back centuries (it’s on the flag).
The evil star of remphan
The Rothschilds are secular Jews and don’t care about anything but money and power. The only thing they done for Israel is build the Kenesset , a show token of their Jewishness.
They don’t give two hoots for money you dullard.
Congratulations! That is the most absurd statement on the whole internet.
It is weird how the “Jewish” State is waging war on it’s own with the vaccine. They don’t have that big a pop so why ? Must be sataniclly controlled now,which makes some sense going by revelation and the anti christ sitting in the temple proclaiming himself god.
Eugenics has been central to Jewish Rabbinical practice for hundreds of years at least.
A very good observation indeed.
This doesn’t even rate a “Nice Try Stucky” and your Reverand TikTok is pitiful. At least your “Why did Mom wait till now to tell me we’re Jewish” had possibilities. Did Jussie Smollet offer you an easy payment plan to produce this for you?
Ummm … he’s not MY Rev TikTok.
My mom never said we were Jewish. She said there’s a POSSIBILITY of Jewish blood in our family tree.
Jesse Smollet can go suck some faggot DDD.
I never listened at length to a guy like that. I never realized how strongly that sect of Jews is against the Zion state. I thought it was interesting, and that a few others would also. No other agenda than that.
Tis Interesting why a Hassidic Jew would have this opinion
How many academics need to deconstruct that lie? Or maybe the problem is your average joe does not read those arguments. Unz Review has posted several of them over the last year or 2.
Jesus was was blunt.
Be humble.
Be sympathetic.
And repent.
Sounds easy until you try live it every day.
I didn’t want to make this a separate post — “Thank G-D!”, said the people — but, I feel it is imperitive to now give an example of a bad Joo, a very VERY Bad Joo.
That would be this Joofuk, Defense Minister Benny Gantz
During their meetings this week in Washington with senior Biden administration officials he called for the USA!USA!USA! to carry out a military strike on Iranian targets!
Fight your own damned wars ya Joofuk!!
God, this just pisses me off. Sadly, I see the gentler and kinder Stucky slip sliding away ….
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-to-urge-us-to-act-militarily-against-iran-amid-stalled-nuke-talks-reports/