It appears that hell has frozen over. A (formerly) rabid Branch Covidian apologizes for her asshole-ish behavior in the article below titled “What We Learned From Hating the Unvaccinated“.
“But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you.” —- Matthew 5:44
Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.” —- Matthew 18:21-22
Q1: Realistically, not theoretically, are the commands given by Jesus possible in real life? Specifically, have YOU been able to do as Jesus commands?
Q2: Do you forgive this woman, Susan Dunham?
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Me?
Q1: No, it simply is not realistically possible. It’s just like the command —> “Be perfect, therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect“. Perfection, in this life for us mere mortals is impossible. I’ll leave it up to you to figure out why Jesus gave impossible-to-keep commandments. No, I have never forgiven seventy times seven, or loved my enemies, or blessed those who curse me, etc. …. and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
I am far more likely to follow this —> “What is best in life? – To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of their women.“
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Q2: First, to admit you were wrong, especially on such an emotionally charged issue, is admirable. To do so publicly over the internet even more so. Give credit where credit is due.
If I were to personalize it — (what if it was my son?) — then, yes, I would forgive. Then again, I would forgive my son even if he was a mass murderer. If you can’t forgive a blood relative, especially if they ask for forgiveness, then you are worse than a rat. I am no rat! Besides, personalizing issues clouds rational and logical thinking.
But, I am not related to his woman. I depends on what she means by “we”. Is it a collective “we”? If so, then maybe I could forgive her but, it all depends on how big an asshole she was to the unvaxxed.
If she was just a mild asshole I would give her a mild forgiveness — she would be spared from swinging from the lamppost but, she would have to live in the outer edges of my kingdom. But, if she did even half of all the “we” stuff she apologizes for …. then screw her!! No forgiveness!
Generally, when it comes to Big Sins against me, I am mostly anti-forgiveness. You ruin my life, or maybe cause financial hardship, or humiliate me in public, or piss on my parade, etc. …… and you think an “I’m sorry” makes it all better??? GFY!!!
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What We Learned From Hating the Unvaccinated
The battlefield is still warm, following Canada’s war on the unvaccinated. The mandates have let up, and both sides stumble back into something that looks like the old normal — except that there is a fresh and present injury done to the people we tried to break. And no one wants to talk about it.
Only weeks ago, it was the admitted goal of our own leaders to make life unlivable for the unvaccinated. And as a deputized collective, we force-multiplied that pain, taking the fight into our families, friendships, and workplaces. Today, we face the hard truth that none of it was justified — and, in doing that, uncover a precious lesson.
It was a quick slide from righteousness to cruelty, and however much we might blame our leaders for the push, we’re accountable for stepping into the trap despite better judgement.
We knew that waning immunity put vast numbers of the fully vaccinated on par with the shrinking minority of unvaccinated, yet we marked them for special persecution. We said they hadn’t “done the right thing” by turning their bodies over to state care — even though we knew that principled opposition to such a thing is priceless in any circumstance. And we truly let ourselves believe that going into another ineffectual lockdown would be their fault, not the fault of toxic policy.
And so it was by the wilful ignorance of science, civics, and politics that we squeezed the unvaccinated to the degree that we did.
We invented a new rubric for the good citizen and — failing to be one ourselves — took pleasure in scapegoating anyone who didn’t measure up. After months of engineered lockdowns, having someone to blame and to burn simply felt good.
So we cannot hold our heads high, as if believing we had logic, love, or truth on our side while we viciously wished death upon the unvaccinated. The best we can do is sit in the awareness of our rabid inhumanity for having cast so many aside.
Most of us who pilloried the noncompliant did it because it seemed like certain victory, like the unvaccinated would never make it through unbroken. Indeed, the promised new normal looked unbeatable, so we sided with it and made punching bags out of the holdouts.
But betting against them has been a scathing embarrassment for many of us who’ve now learned that the mandates only had the power we gave them. It was not through quiet compliance that we avoided endless domination by pharmaceutical companies and medical checkpoints at every doorway. It was thanks to the people we tried to tear down.
So for those of us not among the hopeless few that pray for the return of mandates, we might find some inner gratitude for the unvaccinated. We took the bait by hating them, but their perseverance bought us the time to see we were wrong.
It seems right now like the mandates will return, but this time there’s hope that more of us will see them for what they are: a rising authoritarianism that has no concern for our wellbeing. If there’s an enemy, it’s the confidence game of state power and the transparent attempt to tear us apart. Heeding that looks like our best shot at redemption.
SOURCE: Susan Dunham Website
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Let me put it this way.
The Bitter Centurium said that they “Could all eat shit and die.”
I don’t disagree with him
What’s a ‘Centurium’? please. Thinking it might be a ‘special’ word with an esoteric definition?
Not knit picking on typos, etc,…Lord know the ‘lag’ here is somewhat long when highlighting for proofreading, editing, cutting, pasting, deleting, etc.
Sometimes, whole ‘concept’ sentences get inadvertently lost in the fray.
Generally, when i know i’m going to be posting a lengthy ‘anything’, i have resorted to ‘text edit’; copy/paste. Don’t often realize that i’m going to respond at ‘War and Peace’ length. NOT going to ‘load’ anything more on my computer. It’s a 12+ yr.old macbook air. The boss has big new shiny one in her office, but i’m not allowed in there. Use to be permitted occasionally to sign checks, but then she ‘discovered’ my old rubber stamp from my single days. Kinda like the bedroom. Still permitted to sleep there (mostly) but not much else. Because Hitachi®.
’bout time for the annual modest donation here. She habitually questioned most previous ones elsewhere. Moot at this point. Might have even cut the check by now, maybe even already sent. Still a/my Calendar Girl, with a twist. She maybe chipped in a little extra just for this Site’s ability to keep my outta her hair.
Not a perfect Christian and will never pretend to be. GFY.
Forgive but don’t forget or neglect to hold accountable. Forgiveness and accountability are not mutually exclusive.
And as there has been no accountability, there should be no forgiveness.
Hillbilly, great comment.
Stucky,
Forgive her? Of course. She is a woman. A man who did the same things must NEVER be forgiven. The male Covidiots forfeited their manhood, their decency, and their self-respect. If you know any, remind them of their stupidity every chance you get. I read somewhere that the Vikings would sodomize and piss on vanquished foes.
Well, I don´t know about the sodomy part but I would not hesitate to piss all over these worthless girlie men.
Forgive her just because she’s a woman?? You do realize that these progressive females are a HUGE problem in our society. You think they’ll ever show you respect as a man? You’re toxic…never forget that.
To whom much is given, much is expected. Implies that to whom less is given, less is expected.
“If you know any, remind them of their stupidity every chance you get.”
I couldn’t agree more.
Leftist white women are the most evil creatures on the planet.
Wow, what serendipity!
I just got back from the farmers market 10 minutes ago. I was thinking about this post and was looking very much forward to reading the responses.
Then it happened. While I was thinking about forgiveness a bit more. I walk past a 40-ish dude with an enormous gut. He is wearing a blue face diaper. Then, for the first time ever in my life I was accosted for not wearing a mask. He says, while pointing at his mask and even raising his bushy eyebrows —> “You do realize that Covid is spreading again.”. Naturally, this pissed me off. Without even thinking and in a split second I responded —> “It ain’t spreading as fast as your fat ass so piss off!” Neither of us had anything more to say.
I’m just not that good at this forgiveness stuff.
I would hate for this world to lose lightning-fast retorts like the spreading fat ass!!!
Wish I could have been there for that one.
Maybe just stick to what you’re good at!!!
Hell, that ain’t forgiveness that’s reckoning. Unsolicited bullshit like that deserves nothing less. Good on ya! Ya sinner you.
It’s a good story, Ol’ Stucky and I’m sure it felt satisfying to put the gentleman in his place but did that exchange make the world a better place or did it increase division and anxiety? Is the gentleman more or less likely to see your side of things after your response? Put yourself in his shoes. Fat, unhealthy and scared. He’s a victim too.
He’s a victim because he MADE himself a victim. If he took care of the fat and unhealthy then the scared part would be a non issue. He is trying to make it everyone else’s responsibility to make him “safe”. Did it make the world a better place?……NO but then what does that have to do with the price of tea in China. In this day and age these roaming sanctimonious Covidiots deserve a verbal smack down when they rum their mouth. They have ruined enough lives as it is.
Holy Crap!!! Some pussyfied faggoty diaper wearing busybody stranger accosts me out of the clear blue …… and you want me to process all that feel-good cerebral shit???
Here’s the deal, the frontal lobe deals with logic. The amygdala deals with emotion. In my case … my amygdala is 10x faster than my frontal lobe. In other words, I HAD to be an asshole!
True story? I guess I’ll never know, just as the stories that comics tell. Are they all made up, or do they really have funny lives?
I love you for that for, Stucky.
After I got escorted out of the grocery store by TWO managers a year ago (I guess I looked too scary for just one of them), I have now thought about going into that store again, without mask, startle them and say “boo!”
As a proud “Anti Vaxxer” I weathered the barrage of Fauci and Gates bullshit unaffected, as unpleasant as it was. My reward is that my blood hasn’t turned into Jello. As for this dumb bitch, I didn’t give a shit for her opinion before and I don’t now.
Another great comment.
Very nice of you to say. I try my best to uphold the quality of this site and its contributors.
Have I been able to do as Christ commands?
Almost never. Which is exactly why I keep trying.
That Way lies the Narrow Gate.
I think the parable of the Good Samaritan is most instructive here. Jesus gave that analogy in response to a particular question.
What was the question?
What was the answer?
Define “my brother” ?
my neighbor.
Luke 10:27-37 And He answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. …. But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
(insert parable of Good Samaritan)
Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him.
Well it depends, if I tell you to go GFY on the TBP it doesn’t mean that tomorrow or on the next thread I wont be your best friend. That’s because of anonymity, not my good Christian up bringing. Now, if you offend me in person, I will lash out by my nature. If we can come to a mutual recompense, then yes I will forgive. If my offender remains hostel, offensive and un- repentive then my hate will only grow deeper. No, Jesus had a one up on me, His daddy was the all powerful God of the universe. My daddy was a tire bitten dog that took shit from no body, including me.
Paraphrase: “Oops, I was wrong. Friends?”
People like you cost me my job. Are you sorry enough to pay out lost wages? No? Then fuck you until your dying day. And beyond.
I’ll never forgive these assholes.
Indeed, forgiveness requires restitution.
Bullshit.
That’s almost as “good” as: ‘peace in Ukraine requires Russia to hand back all territories, including Crimea.’
Not to mention most of the time true restitution isn’t even possible. Unjab someone?
What does the VICTIM demand? That is the source of what proper restitution is.
Well, to me “re-institution” is putting something back to as it was before.
Otherwise it’s compensation.
I used to suspect it, but with your comment above I am now convinced ===> you just like being obtuse for no fucken reason at all!
NTTAWWT
Amen.
Dear Susan,
Been my experience that the less the other person knows in ANY 2 person conversation, the MORE SURE they are of themselves. Subject matter is irrelevant.
While you may be ‘well rounded’ physically, (not a clue, personally) at this stage of my life i feel fairly confident that you can lump yourself in with the burgeoning majority of those who know very little about very little. Especially whatever it is you do for money. Don’t argue anymore, and not for quite sometime. i get paid up front. Shocking as it may be to them, i don’t write the NEC® or various power Co. requirements. Can usually tell by the phone call if i need to have a gun on me, or if it it will be fine in the truck.
Very Fortunate/Lucky throughout my life, and i can do nothing else but thank God and pray to Jesus. Only thing that makes sense/Is ‘logical’ at this point.
My online ‘manners’? ALWAYS envision myself playing poker, shooting pool, throwing darts…the possibilities were endless. For money. Various states and stages of substance abuse by all the participants, including myself. Never knew who was carrying what. Saw a ‘little’ guy stab a ‘big’ guy in the leg. Hit the femoral and he died. If you want to prevail/win you need to be straight/sober and on your A game. “Manners make the man” as said in one of the Kingsman© movies. Stayed straight for such a length of time i finally had to ask myself…’What in the world are you doing here? Sooner or later someone is going to kill you just because they lost’. But it was an on again/off again relationship with primarily booze and pot as i got older. Been dead sober for 14 yrs. Pot free not quite as long, lol.
That said, God bless you. I will mention you when prayers are asked for in Church, Susan. Pay it forward and spread the word?
Sincerely, Thank You for Your efforts.
Look! Susan’s husband responded !!!
P.S. Note to self. Add ‘Stuck’ to prayer list. And myself. Think i forgot to mention ‘Helmet’ when beta testing skateboard.
Forgiveness requires contrition and restitution. Has there been any? Did she do the honorable 4hing and commit suicide? Has anyone been put on trial, had all of their assets seized and sold to compensate victims? Has even one trial for crimes against humanity been adjudicated? The answer to every question is NO. So my answer is no. The only time any forgiveness can be given is either upon their co pentatonic of their victims with THEIR OWN MONEY, their death or their otherwise removal from our society so that we are never forced to deal with their criminal complicity again.
Well stated, sir.
Wow, I was doing this on my tablet where the font is much smaller and I am shocked to see the horrible autocorrects it does.
That explains “co pentatonic”, which I associated with music, but didn’t quite see it in the context. The West uses mostly the heptatonic scale in any case.
Agreed on the points made.
I believe I was shooting for COMPENSATION of the victims WITH THEIR OWN MONEY (ie. not taxpayer handouts).
Thanks. That was my guess. Completely agree.
Seriously, what kind of “dictionary” goes from compensation (a perfectly well-used word) to co pentatonic? Fucking google.
Forgiveness doesn’t require anything. Your ego requires contrition and restitution because it wants to be “right”.
Blind obedience sees the world through the devil’s lying eyes and uses a poisonous snake for a blind man’s cane
After reading the some of the other posts on her site, I do not believe that that particular post is a one-off. I like the idea of building a throne from the skulls of my enemies, but in this particular case I think that accepting the proffered apology and attempt to make amends is more appropriate.
The more people passing out Red pills the better, IMO.
Where are the amends?
As usual/always, the author misunderstands the Scripture and twists it to advance his antiChrist agenda. Dont know if he simply is too thick to get what is being said, or enjoys trying to muddy the waters… Answering him is merely ‘casting pearls’ , so I shall merely ‘shake the dust’…
When will I ever learn to not click on anything ‘stucky’ – with his Christian symbolism avatar for some reason – is somewhat unbelievably allowed to publish?
“Answering him is merely ‘casting pearls’”
well I and others would like to hear what your “pearls” are ….
Of course, you are correct. I don’t know Jack or Shit about Scripture (really), and Jack left town.
But, that’s why we have smart righteous holy dickwads like you around. For it is Holy Shitheads like yourself you provide reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness. I mean just look at your response! AWESOME!! (Even if everyone’s IQ did go down 5 points reading it.)
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There’s nothing to “learn”. Fact: you just can’t help yourself!! You click on my stuff because you MUST, for you, like many others, are addicted. Will I be funny? Sarcastic? Vile? Informative? Witty? Provocative?
You never know because my posts are like a box of Forest Gump chocolates …. you are compelled to read to see what you’re gonna get.
So long Holy Boy … see you at my next post.
I don’t waste my energy forgiving those who do not apologize and seek forgiveness.
This woman appears to be admitting her mistakes and committing herself to not repeating them – so sure, I can forgive.
I have my doubts about that part. The same people who were sanctimonious in pushing the “vaccine” are the same people who jumped on every new bandwagon before. They NEVER learn. They may feel some fleeting shame, but they won’t change at their core.
They will toe the line the next time and the next time and the next time, all while berating us for not being ‘team players’ and ‘endangering grandma’. They can’t help their addiction to the drama as their lives are so empty. They crave belonging. They are and always will be ‘Good Germans’.
IMO, she is full of shit and will be on board for whatever new ‘civic duty’ is demanded. Those who complied in the first place have no moral compass and yearn to be lead.
Fuck her. No forgiveness.
I’m with you [ Maxda ]
She needs a national audience.
People have been fooled into thinking that this was all political. It is not political if it hurts everybody. We all have been harmed by masking, distancing, lockdowns, having to prove our mettle by showing a card, told to resent people who were smarter than us by not taking an experimental injection that was neither safe or effective. If you were a shamer, get off of your butt and tell everyone you made miserable that you made a mistake.
Keeping people from being around each other, talking, arguing about issues and sharing facts, etc., especially when you are in the process of destroying the world and overthrowing governments, is indeed a very political move. The public meeting houses are where the revolution came into form in the 1770s. It was VERY political to separate us all while they were lying 24/7, even if most who complied and promoted the violations of our rights didn’t realize its political nature.
Typical lib,doesn’t take responsibility for anything!Had she actually admitted that it brought out her innner tyrant…ok!,but,she didn’t.She blamed everybody else and the pols and justified her bad behavior on “everyone else is doing it”…..ultimate sheeple!!!
Forgive ?,ehhhh,ok,but I’ll NEVER forget the harm you allowed and encouraged with your compliance…..ever!…
The number of people who will admit they were wrong about anything is vanishingly small. That’s something that gets my respect.
when you forgive, it becomes possible to move forward. when you don’t forgive the war continues on.
… as in, for example, the holoco$t industrial complex …
matt 6:9-15
9 “Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10 ‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
11 ‘Give us this day our daily bread.
12 ‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 ‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
14 For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.”
Vain repetition… a Jewish Kingdom prayer as well.
I maybe have a little different understanding of “forgiveness.” To me, if I forgive someone, I stop being really angry towards them or hating them or wishing them harm – nothing more then that.
(And by the way, I won’t generally object to legal proceedings against a person I have forgiven.)
Q1: With the above interpretation, pretty much yes.
Q2: I don’t know that woman enough, to say if there was anything -and what- that needed forgiveness. The oldest article on her website is from April 2021, and at least at that point she wasn’t a foaming at the mouth Covidian.
Two notes on her article:
– “quick slide from righteousness to cruelty” seems to skip over the point how one gets to righteousness in the first place.
– “bought us the time to see”
Winner, winner! Isn’t that always what is lacking, that ‘time to see.’
“Isn’t that always what is lacking, that ‘time to see.’”
if the person means well, yes.
Yes, forgiveness is giving it to God for handling, since we don’t know their heart.
You take revenge or perform your idea of justice = subject to error.
Yes I forgive the vaxer . However, I remember that they are at minimum ignorant stupid sheep who do not act in my interest. They could also be evil sons of bitches who want me dead. I will act accordingly.
Jesus wasn’t talking to you.
Romans 15:8 KJB… “Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:”
Paul is.
Romans 15:16 KJB… “That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.”
Until people get that straight, confusion will reign in the church.
if you’re saying that there’s different levels and standards for following god, then every man will do what is right in his own eyes.
How did you come up with that from what I wrote?
That’s your response on just about every verse in the Bible.
That’s a bunch of bullshit, imho. Then again your holy roller boyfriend above says I don’t shit about the Bible.
Of course it’s bullshit to you. I would expect no less.
Nonanswer.
Like a true Protestant , spreading doubt and chaos wherever you go.
yeah, but dogma != certitude.
I don’t expect the fact that I am not “protestant” to ever pass through the thickness of your skull.
Q1 response: NO; it is not possible to be perfect as Christ would have it as you rightly point out. Therefore being able to forgive those who have forced experimental injections on humans; compelled injections or loss of employment; mandated lockdowns; increased human suffering; caused drug abuse, spouse abuse and suicides; forbidding humans to visit with people in old age homes and hospitals…the list is nearly endless as to the abuses of power and harm done to civilization as a result of the Plandemic is extraordinary in all of history. No forgiveness for anyone or any organization for this demonic monstrous brutality forced on the whole world. None.
Q2 response: As for Susan Dunham- she should get as many shots as possible until supersaturated with the pharmaceutical poison and then drop dead “suddenly and unexpectedly” or blow her fucking brains out in protest of the Evil she now rails against.
I wouldn’t have believed that was written honestly had I not gone to the woman’s website. Just goes to show how suspicious I’ve become of everything.
Her admission of guilt isn’t worthy of forgiveness until she joins the fray on the other side as passionately.
Im not sure what ” Jesus would do”.
Pigs jumpin’ to their death seemed to have been effective.
I would forgive a family member, yes but, only if I believed they now understood why choice and freedom are more important than their safety.
I’ve dumped friends over Covid so…
I just don’t care about people like that (any more. If I ever did). Ignoring them is the worst punishment for them.
I don’t have to forgive her because I don’t give a shit about her or her rabid opinions. She has less influence in my life than my dogs feces.
Same point as mine, but more eloquently stated.
She sees the error of her way and repents, & asks my forgiveness; it’s done. Men, women and children were killed and maimed; she is an accessory to those crimes in some degree; capital crimes are not just forgiven and forgotten; she must be charged, tried, and judged. If she’s guilty, the appropriate punishment administered; her remorse is greatly in her favor. There is nothing she can do to help those she had a hand in killing…Jesus’ Commands: He set the bar so high nobody else can make it. Prophets laid the groundwork; he fulfilled them and taught the disciples for 3 years; thousands had been crucified but only one rose for the dead, broke bread in the flesh for 40 days with his 12 disciples, and prepared them to spread his message to the world. Jesus is the Gold Standard; if you are trying to achieve that perfection, you can’t. Do your human best; that’s my guess how we will be judged.
I can see that you will never forgive me Stucky, that is sad. You have been exceptionally mean to me at times. My hopes are dashed, I shall fade away never to return. Goodbye old pal. (sniff)
The message I posted the other day was sincere, this must be your reply.
What the hell???
I have no friggin idea what I need to forgive you for.
I don’t know what sincere message you posted the other day.
I’m sorry you’re crying. Please forgive me.
Now man up and grow some fucken balls!!!
I was joking after reading the last paragraph of your article. I actually did tell another commenter that I was sorry for all the booby traps I have pulled on you and back stabbing in the past. I am actually sorry for all that. Arch inspired me to turn over a new leaf and be contrite.
I was busy today getting ready for a holiday and did not check back.
Obviously you and three other morans took it seriously. Bad joke….sorry. Thanks for forgiving me, I too forgive all the BS in the past. We should smoke the peace pipe, see how easy forgiveness can be? 🙂
Oh, fuhgeddaboudit! I wouldn’t want it any other way. Fact is, you are one of my favorite posters here on TBP right from the get-go … which was a long time ago. I value everything you have to say; good, bad, or otherwise. I can’t imagine TBP without you.
I lurvs everyone here in TBPland….really. Even Flash and the Loopster. 🙂
Thanks for another interesting QOTD, you are why I came here, you keep things hopping.
After a wound heals and most of the pain is gone, perhaps forgiveness can, and should be the high road taken.
Less traveled, for sure.
And, forgiveness brings more peace to the victim than the perps.
Difficult? Certainly.
Wounds heal, but scars typically remain, and serve as reminders that make the wounds very difficult to forget.
This age old question is quite possibly the ultimate challenge.
I’ll be first to admit that I struggle with it, and haven’t mastered it, even after having experienced and seen the benefits of forgiveness.
I think our teacher knows it is difficult to turn the other cheek, and the evil one is always on our shoulder and in our heads, whispering that we were the victim of a severe injustice, and hatred is perfectly natural as a response.
…could lead to revenge, and the cycle gains speed and intensity, with its potential to escalate to a stage much worse.
Taken a step further, many (most) folks routinely have a hypocritical double standard when deciding how to react to an offense.
With family and blood, most people hope the outsiders would extend mercy and compassion towards those who have made grave mistakes.
Stranger in the public sphere?
Hell no. Guilty of crimes, and severe punishment, instead of forgiveness.
Still, although our Father knows it is hard, He still expects us to try.
His followers who forgive often seem to have peace of mind, and look for the good, rather than laser focusing on all that is bad.
Avoid the victim mentality.
It’s a crutch.
A psychological cancer, and no good can come from it.
Gratitude helps.
Take nothing for granted.
Peace.
Very nicely put.
I don’t hold grudges, but I do stay far away from the mentally ill (she qualifies)
It seems the Ms Dunham may not have learned all that much from the whole Fauci flu event up there in Canada … the proof will be if she and the rest of the jabbed ones do anything to overthrow their WEF tyrant clone, Justin Trudeau and the rest of the WEF folks that inhabit more than half of his cabinet.
Unless and until folks rise up and reclaim the fundamental freedom and liberty that their countrymen created for them, all of this hand-wringing will be just more meaningless drivel … just another kind of virtue signaling …
In the absence of any meaningful expression of regret and sorrow for what she and her ilk have inflicted upon others for the better part of 2 years, her words ring fairly hollow — and, personally, forgiveness seems a remote event.
Avoidance at all cost seems more likely … distance yourself from her and her ilk as much as possible and don’t let them do it to you ever again …
About the word ‘perfect’ – it’s my understanding that the word used there is not an exact fit for the modern day English word. I think it was more along the lines of ‘does the work it was designed to do’.
If that’s the case, then God did not design humans to be God, but we should be able to do what God has built into us.
As for the level reached, that is as much spiritual maturity as anything else.
Might want to step back and consider Matthew 7:2 for a bit before getting too wound up.
I say this as someone who has felt the RCOB moments earlier in life.
IMO, whatever forgiveness there may be is between you and the Creator only. He knows if it’s fake or not. You either believe and follow or you don’t. Try and remember to be as wise as the serpent but, as much as possible, harmless as doves. As for this susan dunham, never heard of her till now and have no desire to find out more.
Fook me not. Lest ye be fooked.
Forgiveness does not prevent the consequences. If you break into my home and steal stuff. I can forgive so you don’t suffer God’s judgment but that doesn’t mean you won’t spend 5 years in prison.
Need to clarify. I misspoke. Whether God forgives has nothing to do with me.
Rom 12:18 8 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”
Sometimes it’s not possible so do what needs to be done.
Forgive , but lest the evil converges all that is good and righteous, the evil must be removed by any means necessary. Our enemy is not our neighbor.
Characters of the Inquisition
William Thomas Walsh
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015008589536&view=1up&seq=9&skin=2021
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=E3D1B6879E718DCCD73714297809A86F
If the doomsday shot works anything close to what TPTB plan for it, forgiveness may be very low on the list of things the vaxxed will be asking for.
Even if ALL it does is ruin your health to the point you are a walking disease, that alone will be pain enough.
The only way I would ever forgive someone for something is if they were truly sorry and tried to right whatever wrong they had done. Remember, God WILL NOT FORGIVE YOU unless you do what I just stated, so I would never presume to be more forgiving than God Himself.
In order to forgive, you first have to acknowledge what is going on. Think Ray’s family will???
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ray-liotta-dies-at-67-goodfellas-171252006.html
Yes. I forgive her.
Very interesting quandry…I do not usually answer the QOTD (though I am always entertained and enlightened by the answers)…that said…
Q1: Possible? Undoubtedly. Have I? As an imperfect, sinning creature made in his image…almost never, though I should qualify that…
If the sin is against only me, as opposed to those I love and/or am charged to protect, I am much more willing to forgive,
AND…not OR…AND,
If the sin is borne of simple human failure, rather than evil or malice, I might be able to forgive…
But as Displaced Hillbilly stated…NEVER FORGET…
That said…
Q2: While there was definitely MALICE attached to the sin in this case, which would otherwise provoke GFY…
Taking her words at face value, and assuming this isn’t trolling…this woman is a unicorn…
She was the vicious enemy…and has seen the error of her ways…deeply.
I take the long view in this case…if this battle were over, I may or may not care that she realized the error of her ways, but this battle is not over, by any stretch of the imagination.
She could be a valuable ally, and help to recruit others from within her community. Maybe not, but she would be in a far better position to do so than you or I.
We need to grow the resistance, and EVERY SINGLE INCREMENTAL INCREASE will have to come from those who ARE NOT CURRENTLY among us.
Think strategically, which is the long game, not tactically, which is the immediate.
Peace through strength, and strength in numbers…
“We need to grow the resistance, and EVERY SINGLE INCREMENTAL INCREASE will have to come from those who ARE NOT CURRENTLY among us .. Think strategically, which is the long game, not tactically, which is the immediate.”
for many, the only game, strategic or tactical, short or long, is themselves and their interests. for them, “forgiveness” detracts from that and thus is wrong.
Oh, and Stucky…
Do I remember correctly that you are in Indiana??? Whereabouts, if so? I’m a Hoosier…Lafayette.
I used to live in Indiana for 10 years; Fort Wayne and then Hunterton.
I now live in Amerika’s asshole; NJ.
Q1 – There is a verse in the Bible that says there is no fear in love but that “perfect love drives out fear” so I suppose loving one’s enemies would not be possible until one has acquired that perfect love. I’m not there yet but I believe it would be like what the other J.C. (Johnny Cash) said: “Don’t sweat the small the stuff and everything is small stuff”.
From an eternal (time heals all wounds) perspective, it is possible. Consider the U.K. soldier, Eric Lomax, who was tortured in captivity during WW II and later forgave his Japanese interrogator decades after the war ended.
Q2 – Yes, given her seemingly genuine heartfelt remorse in that article.
Having to choose between taking an experimental shot or loosing employment is not “small stuff.” Neither are curfews, medical martial law and locking down the world causing prolonged suffering, mental and physical, to billions of humans. The CoVid-1984 plandemic is completely demonic and can never be dismissed as small stuff – it is an actual terrorizing, torment and torture programme for the whole world.
I ask, Doug, that you think again about small stuff – a spousal argument or someone vandalizing your car – versus a horrific imprisonment and medical menacing of all humanity because “You don’t want to kill granny, do you?”; “…if it saves one life,” and ‘the Science*.”
*Control, enslavement and liquidation of people.
Earthly concerns are small stuff.
John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Or maybe Unco it’s the other way round – love comes from forgiveness and not judging
Stuck or should I say Chooch, the pathway to heaven is a narrow one, not many make it.
Q1, By faith you are saved.
Q2, Forgiveness is easy, forgetting is the hard part. Remember, it is hard to forget that the bitch is likely to suffer a severe adverse health reaction or death, depending on the lot of the NotaVaxx and how many boosters the foo took.
Since God doesn’t forgive – neither do I. He required the “death” of Christ to “pay for sins.” That is not forgiveness as we poor humans understand the term. If I require payment before I forgive – that is not forgiveness. I am like God – I never forgive
Yah-shua = God became my salvation.
Holy Moly, the majority of you were a lot tougher on her than I was.
Maybe someone could go to her website and invite her over here …. give her an opportunity to respond. That would be fun.
I’m especially interesting in testing her sincerity … which I am not certain is genuine at this point.
“I’m especially interesting in testing her sincerity”
most people barely know what they believe, let alone why or how to explain it. she probably wouldn’t do well. one of the reasons to be forgiving ….
“the majority of you were a lot tougher on her”
most people see things only from their own point of view, and are reflexively hostile to any opposition.
If you offer forgiveness and avoid its corollary judgement you will make yourself happier and not fall into a negative cycle of revenge. You can then transform that energy in you into something finer rather than something coarse. It’s not about the person you forgive, it’s about you. Work on yourself to change the world.