So do they or don’t they exist .. Nuclear Bombs, that is?

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The men who watched nuclear bomb tests: ‘It was so bright I could see the bones in my fingers’

Veterans of British nuclear testing in the Cold War say they – and their children and grandchildren – are still living with the health effects. And 70 years on, they want to see recognition of their part in the missions.

RAF veteran John Lax is about to describe what it’s like seeing a nuclear bomb being detonated. “Even if I tell you what it was like,” he tells i, “you probably can’t really imagine it unless you’ve witnessed it yourself.”

Now 81, Lax was a 20-year-old air wireless mechanic when he was sent to take part in Britain’s nuclear testing programme in the Pacific in 1962.

Like many servicemen, he didn’t know there would be bomb tests when he arrived on Christmas Island, then a British territory,  now a republic named Kiribati.

“We were told to put on long trousers and a long-sleeved shirt,” he says, “and we had these dark goggles which meant you couldn’t see your hand in front of you. Then we had to go and sit on the football pitch with our backs to the detonation, because if we’d faced it, the fireball would have burned our eyes.

“When the bomb went off, it was so bright that I could see the spine and ribs of the guy sitting a metre in front of me, like an X-ray. I put my hands over my eyes and could see the bones in my fingers, and could see the blood pumping around my hands. It was 4am but the sky turned blue, like it was daytime. The blast was like the sound of a pistol, except 1,000 times louder. After the fireball, a couple of minutes later, you feel the blast and a strong gust of very hot wind – if you had no shirt on it feels like it would burn through your back – then once the fireball starts to dissipate you get the mushroom cloud.”

This month it is 70 years since Britain first began developing and testing nuclear weapons, becoming the world’s third nuclear power (after the United States and the Soviet Union).

Between 1952 and 1965, detonations were carried out in Australia and the Pacific, in a series of operations involving the participation of more than 20,000 British service personnel, as well as some Fijian and New Zealand soldiers. Inhabitants of the test areas were moved offshore or to protected areas.

Lax, who bore witness to 24 nuclear detonations over 75 days, was at the time given a “film badge”, containing photographic material that was intended to measure the levels of radiation the young men had been exposed to.

“They weren’t much good,” he says, “nobody kept a record of who had which badge, and you’d just put it in a box with all the other badges. These badges are pretty much useless in humid conditions, and Christmas Island was a tropical monsoon climate and very humid. So we had no record of radiation exposure.”

There were no long-term health studies of nuclear test veterans. Those who were there during the tests at Christmas Island were not given medical examinations when they left, and their health was not studied after they finished their service. Many servicemen – and many islanders – later reported severe health problems, which they believed where due to the radioactive fallout from nuclear bomb tests – from rare cancers to organ failure.

Some said they had fertility issues and difficulty conceiving, and many of those who did have children and grandchildren reported high incidences of birth defects, hip deformities, autoimmune diseases, skeletal abnormalities, spina bifida, scoliosis and limb abnormalities. Lax’s own health has been OK, but he does wonder about his children, who have both undergone surgery for a series of tumours, one at 14 years old.

Lax’s nuclear veteran friend has three types of cancer, which he says the specialist attributes “100 per cent to exposure to radiation”.

Another veteran, Doug Hern, who witnessed five thermonuclear explosions, says his skeleton is “crumbling” and has skin problems and bone spurs. His daughter died aged 13 from a cancer so rare that doctors didn’t have a name for it, and he believes all of this is due to the genetic effects of radiation exposure.

Operation Dominic Nuclear test explosion Atomic veteran case study Credit: Labrats charity archive Provided by media@labrats.international

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) says it is grateful to Britain’s nuclear test veterans for their service, but maintains there is no valid evidence to link participation in these tests to ill health.

In 1983, the MoD did commission a study of more than 21,000 veterans, but – while the study found a slightly elevated risk of leukaemia – it concluded that the veterans had experienced no ill health as a result of their nuclear exposure. But nuclear veterans and their advocates have questioned the accuracy of the study.

For years, UK veterans have been campaigning with The British Nuclear Test Veterans Association, and Labrats – an organisation for nuclear test survivors – to be formally recognised, urging the Government to honour the nuclear test veterans’ service and sacrifice with an official recognition medal.

“I was a guinea pig,” says Lax, who believes he was placed there to see what would happen to people when the bomb went off.

The UK is the only nuclear power to deny special recognition and compensation to its bomb test veterans, of which there are estimated to be 1,500 surviving today.

In 2015, Fiji compensated all its veterans of British nuclear tests in the Pacific, with prime minister Frank Bainimarama announcing: “Fiji is not prepared to wait for Britain to do the right thing. We owe it to these men to help them now, not wait for the British politicians and bureaucrats.”

The United States Radiation Exposure Compensation Act has been providing compensation to its nuclear veterans since 1990.

Ed McGrath, 84, who was based at RAF Mildenhall in Suffolk, was 18 when he was sent to Australia and then flown to Maralinga to witness a test explosion.

“At the Australian base camp we had good food and we had sunshine,” he tells i.

“As an 18 year-old,  you’re travelling to places you can only imagine, but then when we were flown to witness the bombs, that’s where it went dark and nasty. They had the scientists and the engineers there, but I did nothing except stand there being told to put my hands over my eyes and turn my back to the blast. You were going up there to stand in the vicinity of a very powerful bomb 1,000 times more powerful than Hiroshima or Nagasaki.”

Despite persistent allegations by veterans that they had been used as guinea pigs in the tests, the Ministry of Defence denies this. McGrath is not convinced.

“There was no reason for us to be there, and I think the politicians who are responsible for sending us there must have come to the conclusion that, ‘Well, these lads are the price we’ve got to pay to find out what on earth is going on in the future.’

Ed McGrath Atomic veteran case study Provided by ed.mcgrath@btinternet.com

Veterans say that Boris Johnson recently at least gave them some hope of recognition, because as one of his last outings as Prime Minister, he met a group of veterans and campaigners and wrote in an open letter: “I’m determined that your achievements will never be forgotten. I have asked that we look again at the case for medallic recognition because it is my firm belief that you all deserve such an honour.”

Campaigners also showed the Prime Minister evidence that servicemen’s medical records from their time at the tests were missing from archives. Former prime minister Liz Truss, who promised to support their fight when she entered No 10, had not acted to put these promises into action. After she took office, she dismissed the veterans’ minister Johnny Mercer.

The Government’s Office for Veterans’ Affairs has this month announced it will launch a £250,000 oral history project to chronicle the voices and experiences of those who supported the UK’s effort to develop a nuclear deterrent. However, Lax says this is “too little, too late” and nowhere near what nuclear veterans should have.

McGrath has spent time worrying and feeling guilty that his family may face health problems because of his exposure to nuclear tests. His granddaughter had a brain tumour when she was a child but he says: “It’s very difficult to link the two directly and it’s not something you want to think about, to be honest.”

A Brunel University study found in 2021 that nuclear test veterans have double the normal levels of psychological stress for their age.

A survey and interviews by the Centre for Health Effects of Radiological and Chemical Agents found that most of the veterans report having become anxious in the mid-80s, when evidence first emerged of cancers, rare blood disorders, miscarriages in wives and birth defects in their children.

Yet this July, researchers at Brunel University published a study that showed “no significant increases in the frequency of newly arising genetic changes in the offspring of nuclear test veteran fathers. This result should reassure the study participants and the wider nuclear test veteran community.”

However, it seems that the legacy of nuclear testing has taken its toll in ways that we perhaps don’t yet fully understand, because there are communities of people across the world who feel their lives have been hugely affected by their nuclear veteran fathers and grandfathers.

Susan Musselwhite, 42, was eight when her father walked out on the family. When she saw him once again in her twenties, he said his leaving had all been down to the mental and physical anguish of being a test veteran on Christmas Island. Musselwhite lives with chronic migraines and Grave’s disease, sometimes barely being able to lift her head off the pillow, spending 90 per cent of her time indoors. “Sometimes I’m like an 80-year-old woman with dementia,” she says. She started to talk to other descendants and discovered that they were saying similar things about their mental and physical health. “I realised I wasn’t going through this alone. I truly believe that if my dad wasn’t at the test site, I wouldn’t be like this.”

Ed McGrath and his servicemen. 1956 before departure Ed is back row on right as you are looking at photo Atomic veteran case study Provided by ed.mcgrath@btinternet.com

Elin Doyle, an actress who has written a semi-autobiographical new play called Guinea Pigs  about the tests’ generational effect, spent her early years witnessing her nuclear veteran father’s fight for justice. He had a rare form of cardiac sarcoidosis, an inflammatory condition that can result in heart rhythm abnormalities, in his forties. “Many years later,” says Doyle, “he was asked by a specialist whether he’d ever worked with radiation. So somebody else made the link and that was a bit of a shock for him. At that point I’d already had a sibling who was born with a birth defect.”

Doyle’s father died of heart failure in his sixties. “You can argue it’s because of radiation or not, but he didn’t have the sort of morbidities that would expose him to young heart disease, and we don’t have a history of it in the family, so the belief was that it was linked.”

Doyle also talks about the many of the veterans’ feelings of betrayal.

“Sending a bunch of 19-year-olds off in the 1950s to work on nuclear tests and assuring them that it’s perfectly safe, and then to find out actually, they probably weren’t safe and quite possibly, the powers that be knew that that was the case – that has an impact on the rest of a veteran’s life.”

Steve Purse, 47, from Denbighshire, Wales, remembers how his father David, an RAF flight lieutenant, was too scared to talk about his experience of being posted to test nuclear  weapons in 1962 because of the Government secrecy around the nuclear mission.

Steve Purse, the son of David Purse, a nuclear veteran. Steve has short stature and believes it to be linked to his father's exposure to alpha-radiation Provided by ste.p73@btinternet.com

He did, however, open up about it years later when he developed a skin condition over his arms and legs and the dermatologist asked whether he’d spent most of his life exposed to intense sunlight in the tropics. He said no, he had spent one year in Australia with nuclear tests. The dermatologist said that this was severe radiation damage to the skin.

Steve has a form of short stature, which doctors don’t know how to diagnose. “All they say is that I’m unique,” he says, “but my dad was exposed to alpha-radiation which causes mutation in DNA, so I believe it’s down to that. It feels like nuclear tests have left a legacy of genetic Russian roulette.”

For veteran McGrath, it feels as though the nuclear tests, and the men who were exposed to them, are a forgotten part of Cold War history. “It’s encouraging, though, that young people are beginning to take notice,” he says.

“I wear a nuclear veteran charity badge and people come up to me in the park and want to hear about the British nuclear tests that they never learnt about at school.

“But getting recognition, medals, pensions, help and support has been a long winding road going nowhere. Even now we’re in our eighties, many of us with terrible health, we have the distinct feeling that there’s some kind of brick wall between us and the Government. We’re running out of veterans, and running out of time. I don’t mind about the medal any more, but it’s the very least the servicemen and their families deserve.”

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MrLiberty
MrLiberty
October 27, 2022 7:48 pm

The possibility of being able to rupture the internal nuclear bonds of atoms seems doable. Given the amount of heat that can be released in just breaking the chemical bonds that hold molecules together, one can only imagine that the energy holding the nucleus together would be profoundly large. Government bullshit is ubiquitous, but I think that nuclear weapons and nuclear energy are real. I would rather be close enough to be converted into energy during a blast than suffer for weeks dying of radiation poisoning being just far enough away to miss the initial blast. Let us all hope that Clueless Joe doesn’t end up causing us all to find out the truth.

bidenTouchesKids
bidenTouchesKids
  MrLiberty
October 27, 2022 8:33 pm

but I think that nuclear weapons and nuclear energy are real

If you’re truly not sure, how then are you explaining nuclear power plants to yourself? Or observable incidents like Chernobyl?

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  bidenTouchesKids
October 27, 2022 10:18 pm

I think they’re real. Where is the ambiguity you are perceiving? I personally have never split an atom, yet I have conducted many exothermic chemistry reactions. The question was do they or don’t they exist. I’m not the one asking or questioning their existence. Others here have presented serious doubt as to the existence of nuclear weapons.

bidenTouchesKids
bidenTouchesKids
  MrLiberty
October 27, 2022 10:22 pm

Where is the ambiguity you are perceiving?

The words “I think” vs. “I know”.

Red River D
Red River D
  bidenTouchesKids
October 27, 2022 10:57 pm

I can’t say I know.

But I would bet MY ASS that they exist.

Pretty soon, we all gonna know!!!

Of course, even after night turns to day (times 1000) and the paint melts off their houses…

…the nuke deniers will still be clinging to their same old tune. Not even a thermo-nookyoulur shockwave is enough to blast error out of the modern mind!!!

samthere403
samthere403
  MrLiberty
October 28, 2022 5:43 am

I posted this further down but thought you might enjoy it here.

Back in the 50’s Kodak made the film for x-rays. Hospitals out west began noticing spots on the x-rays. They notified Kodak and said what’s up with your film? Kodak sent a couple trouble shooters(I think a scientist was the lead) out west from their New York, NY offices. They discovered the waters in the rivers had radiated particles in them which caused the spots on the film during production. So, they go back to their offices in NY, NY and were sitting around. It began to snow and every Geiger counter in their offices went ballistic. The contamination was coming from the nuclear tests being conducted in the deserts of the west. Kodak notified the gov’t about this. The gov’t told Kodak to keep their mouths shut and they’d pay for any damages being caused to their film as a result of the nuclear tests. Kodak never alerted the public about this. So, when people thought they were walking around in a winter (I’m sure it was in the rain also) wonderland they were actually being irradiated.

Boogieman
Boogieman
October 27, 2022 8:06 pm

My question to deniers is: what’s not to believe? Learn some basic physics.

Gryf
Gryf
October 27, 2022 8:06 pm

Back in the 1970s I knew a guy who sold collectible pottery at our local flea market. He disappeared for a while and when he returned I asked where he had been. He was at a V.A. Hospital for cancer treatments. He said as a young man in the army he was “one of those unlucky bastards marched onto a test site right after a blast. We were guinea pigs”. He looked frail and I never saw him again.

flash
flash
  Gryf
October 28, 2022 6:59 am

And, that’s not even considering the shit they forced us to have shot into our veins…seems like every month they rolled out a new vaccine program were were ordered to line up for. I’m pretty sure it was some sort of experiment, because several years after I got out, I moved with the wind and and still a government witch tracked me down, in the middle of a freezing, sleety night, 2 days before Christmas , for ‘evaluation.’ ..I may have been a little brusque , because she never came again.

Uncle Schlomo is an evil, evil creation….no doubt about it. If it can cause widespread destruction and death and masquerade it as greater good, it will , can and does.

This will kill millions and millions more than a nuclear bomb ever could, while improving the environment, too.

bidenTouchesKids
bidenTouchesKids
October 27, 2022 8:20 pm

My wife had a family member work on the Manhattan Project, both he and the Japanese thought they were pretty real.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  bidenTouchesKids
October 27, 2022 8:38 pm

My daughter mother in-law is a wealthy woman. Her father worked on the casing for the A-bomb at the Naval Ordinance Lab in White Oak Md. He later became a successful real estate tycoon with over 10,000 rental units, over 1,000,000 square feet of commercial space and a few hotels. She told me her father worked on the A-bomb.

brian
brian
October 27, 2022 8:35 pm

Our science teacher when I ventured to go to school, stated he worked on designing parts of the components of the atom bomb. Nobody at the time knew what they were working on until they exploded one.

There is also the hadron colliders that smash atoms together to discover the various particles. To say that nukes simply don’t exist when there are NUMEROUS videos of detonations long before cgi was even a concept, is completely ludicrous… All the evidence says nukes… I don’t doubt theres a lot of propaganda mixed into it with yields and toxicity perhaps, but yeah… they exist.

Red River D
Red River D
  brian
October 27, 2022 11:00 pm

There are literally hundreds of videos of test detonations. But that’s only a fraction of the evidence available.

True study on the subject leaves no question.

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka
October 27, 2022 8:42 pm

“We had the technology to see the bones in your body with your naked eyes and without film, but, unfortunately, we lost that technology and it is difficult to build it up again, but I would use it again in a nanosecond.”

– Don Pettit

brian
brian
  Svarga Loka
October 27, 2022 8:55 pm

Those were advertised in the back of comics in the 70’s… Xray spectacles. I shoulda bought a few pair think of the money a person could make today with them…
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YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  brian
October 27, 2022 9:43 pm

Ahh, the things I saw thru the bedroom walls….

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  brian
October 27, 2022 10:35 pm

Instant pervert identification. Better than tomato juice on a skunked dog.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Svarga Loka
October 27, 2022 9:42 pm

I am skeptical because I think if I were witness to that event in the 1940’s I would have been dead within 6 months.
Yes I have worked with radioisotopes, but not fissile material, so yeah, I can be wrong.

Captain_Obviuos
Captain_Obviuos
  Svarga Loka
October 27, 2022 10:06 pm

After the fireball, a couple of minutes later, you feel the blast and a strong gust of very hot wind – if you had no shirt on it feels like it would burn through your back – then once the fireball starts to dissipate you get the mushroom cloud.

Fireball… hot wind… mushroom cloud… all the same as was reported in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which show no evidence at all of being nuked, but napalmed hits every check-mark. Ever see footage of the napalm drops in Vietnam? Smaller yields, but same results.

My evidence of the non-existence of nuclear weapons is that no one has ever actually used one. We’ve used every other kind of weapons — now we have lasers and drones and stuff which is way above my pay grade, which are all currently in operation — to kill each other, so what makes nukes different? That people who are crazy enough to have them care about innocent lives which would be lost if they used them?

You may as well call CONVID a nuclear weapon, because it does not exist either, and yet is going to end up killing more people than a few firebombs ever could.

flash
flash
  Captain_Obviuos
October 28, 2022 7:10 am

Napalm explosions and dynamite doesn’t kill people months later from mere wind exposure.

A weapon against its own people
When the US used nuclear weapons during World War II, bombing the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, conservative estimates suggest 250,000 people died in immediate aftermath. Even those horrified by the bombing didn’t realize that the US would deploy similar weapons against its own people, accidentally, and on a comparable scale.

https://qz.com/1163140/us-nuclear-tests-killed-american-civilians-on-a-scale-comparable-to-hiroshima-and-nagasaki

Captain_Obviuos
Captain_Obviuos
  flash
October 28, 2022 12:51 pm

That’s if you can believe their numbers, flash. Which, as we know, you can’t.

If you have a moment, I’d recommend reading Michael Palmer’s excellently researched book “Hiroshima Revisited,” which is available for free here: https://archive.org/details/Hiroshima_revisited/

It’s a mic-dropper. Your mind may change about the entire affair afterwards.

IWantYourDOR
IWantYourDOR
October 27, 2022 8:46 pm

“it concluded that the veterans had experienced no ill health as a result of their nuclear exposure.” THE BOMB IS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE

flash
flash
  IWantYourDOR
October 28, 2022 7:11 am

2 weeks to flatten the useless eaters.

UTURNKING
UTURNKING
October 27, 2022 8:56 pm

Na- no A-Bombs, it’s all bullshit. Just more fear porn to control the sheeple.
No man on the moon, no spinning ball earth, no big bang- nothing they tell you is true. If you haven’t woken up to that after the Covid scam you never will.

Boogieman
Boogieman
  UTURNKING
October 27, 2022 9:34 pm

Do tell professor, I agree with the man on the moon thingy and the big bang. But the rest you could never back up with facts. Truly a peculiar type of stupidity.

Marky
Marky
  UTURNKING
October 27, 2022 11:57 pm

I cant believe this is even debatable and being questioned. As a matter of fact, I don’t believe this is even an article I’m reading or real comments from people. This web site does not even exist. Its all just fear porn generated in my sub conscience to rationalize my existence of non-existence and I’m living just to make all this shit up in my head because I don’t really exist. Yeah, that’s it. I feel so much better now.

flash
flash
  UTURNKING
October 28, 2022 7:16 am

Once upon a time, in another life, I worked very briefly , in a massive self -contained underground military bunker. It had mess hall, sick bay, food and water supplies, recreation , sleeping quarters and 4 ft thick concrete blast doors, but now, more the more I think about it, that memory was fake and gay, too.

Guest
Guest
October 27, 2022 9:04 pm

Seems like there’s people who need to do deep dives into the internet. It’s harder now but can be done. There’s a ton of interesting stuff out there about this. And, no I’m not gathering and writing it here.
Once again it seems there’s some things they’ve lied about, and some we just haven’t been told.

Might start with jay dyer’s stuff on the Cold War.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
October 27, 2022 10:33 pm

My father was at Bikini Atoll for the nuclear tests. You’re damned right they’re real.

I still have the tinted goggles they gave him to wear to observe the detonation!

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka
  The Central Scrutinizer
October 28, 2022 6:32 am

I still have the glasses I wore to watch the solar eclipse in 2017. What does that tell you about the solar eclipse?

flash
flash
  Svarga Loka
October 28, 2022 7:17 am

Fake and gay?

Rev6
Rev6
October 27, 2022 11:02 pm

Good article – He asks some pretty good questions – that need answers – read and decide for yourself –

http://www.zephaniah.eu/index_htm_files/Why%20Explosive%20Nuclear%20Devices%20May%20Not%20Exist.pdf

Marky
Marky
October 27, 2022 11:47 pm

“When the bomb went off, it was so bright that I could see the spine and ribs of the guy sitting a metre in front of me, like an X-ray. I put my hands over my eyes and could see the bones in my fingers, and could see the blood pumping around my hands.

Dam that really puts it in perspective. How would someone describe being near or at ground zero?

Zechariah 14:12
And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

samthere403
samthere403
October 28, 2022 5:38 am

Back in the 50’s Kodak made the film for x-rays. Hospitals out west began noticing spots on the x-rays. They notified Kodak and said what’s up with your film? Kodak sent a couple trouble shooters(I think a scientist was the lead) out west from their New York, NY offices. They discovered the waters in the rivers had radiated particles in them which caused the spots on the film during production. So, they go back to their offices in NY, NY and were sitting around. It began to snow and every Geiger counter in their offices went ballistic. The contamination was coming from the nuclear tests being conducted in the deserts of the west. Kodak notified the gov’t about this. The gov’t told Kodak to keep their mouths shut and they’d pay for any damages being caused to their film as a result of the nuclear tests. Kodak never alerted the public about this. So, when people thought they were walking around in a winter (I’m sure it was in the rain also) wonderland they were actually being irradiated.

Jocko
Jocko
October 28, 2022 5:54 am

Th one thing I am sure of is when the government investigates itself is the conclusions will always be a lie.

flash
flash
October 28, 2022 6:46 am

I knew a guy, a city councilman, long since deceased, who had been on of the guinea pigs , during the Korean war, ordered to view a nuclear test explosion in Nevada. Viewing the explosion , according to him and the VA, left him blind, sterile and with severe health issues during his short life…but hey, no one could’ve have known…all that matters is that the greater good was served. Vote harder.